You all can smoke outside and in your homes. I hate the "non-smoking" section of a resturants and other similar places because all the smoke still travels over and lingers.
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You all can smoke outside and in your homes. I hate the "non-smoking" section of a resturants and other similar places because all the smoke still travels over and lingers.
other bad for you habits which are banned in public, snorting coke, injecting heroine, drinking, sex, cutting. all nasty bad habits which aren't done in the streets. we discriminate against all those people that choose to do it in public. why? because it's for the good of others. smoking shouldn't be enouraged, it is a habit which kills those who do it and those around them. i think it was roy castle a biritsh entertainer he never smoked in his life but played in smoke filled bars and clubs. he later contracted lung cancer and died his lungs were those of a heavy smoker.
think of all the people that work in bars and restaurants, the barmaids and men, waiters, glass people, bouncers. all those will breath in huge amounts of smoke every day. what about them?
im not allowed to smoke in my home. what will i do when its -10 degrees outside and hailing or snowing or raining or something stupid like that?
then you suffer for your bad habit which kills you and others around you. simply. or....... you just don't bloody keep up such a horrible disgusting lethal habit. job done.
If it's such a problem, then why not considering, y'know, not smoking? I know, I'm really going off on a tangent here.
For all of you who say second hand smoke doesn't hurt you are full of.
I avoid smokers at all costs due to the fact that I don't like coughing or poisoning my lungs. Yet due to public smoking in enclosed spaces I still end up spending at least an hour or two a week around smokers.. though I do what I can to limit what I inhale :rolleyes2 .. and I do try to leave but not always possible.
end of 5th grade I contracted pneumonia for a period of 4-5 months. Doctor spent a long time trying to figure out what caused it... after a while he told my parents to avoid smoking anywhere near me(I had already done this to a large extent cept maybe an hour a week), because not only were my longs already nearly as bad as a chain smoker's but he said that it was part of the reason my immune system is no longer existant(ok.. it is still there but it doesn't do much anymore).
Also it ain't fun to be nearly impossible to get air in... I really have trouble breathing quite often now. Oh yes lets not forget that the Bronchaitis I got this year could possibly be traced back to second hand smoke(something about the smoke weakening what defenses I had left and thus allowing the regular cold I had to become worse).... and I had that from mid decemeber to mid may. Great fun second hand smoke is.
Btw as for car emisions.. first my dads car is not alowed on the road cause it puts out too many fumes(at it aint' as bad as I have seen).
Second you should prolly get a car that gets better fuel milliage... and due to gas prices thier is a push to better fuel economy.
Third Cars usually aren't running in enclosed public areas.. smokers are, according to that ban to, allowed to smoke outside.
Fourth if memory serves cigs put out carbon monoxide just like cars do, and I know that can kill. So don't try to say second hand cig smoke won't/can't kill.
Rights-
You have the right to smoke into you infringe on another's right. Then the right that is allowing you to infringe on another's can be taken. In enclosed areas you are harming another's right to health, however they are not harming you. so thus it seems to be logical that the only one infringing is the cig fella. Though I would think the gov would allow bar people to make smoking bars as long as there was already a non-smoking bar in the area.
Just quit. Trust me, you'll thank yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenmorghane
From your public profile, it looks like you grew up in the 90's. Didn't anyone teach you what that gross disgusting habit does to you? Just quit now while your still young and still able to salvage some of your lungs.
Edit: No offense meant, just trying to drive my point home.
While I don't smoke, it seems a bit strange that a place which sells toxic fluids (i.e, alcohol) for cunsumption, can't also allow people to smoke. I think it's up for the bar's owener to decide - you can have a smoking bar, or a non-smoking bar. Or, you could confine the smokers into another room or segment of the room. That seems rational to me.Quote:
Bars and pubs NEED smoke.
People have a right to do stuff, as long as it doesn't hurt others. Smoking hurts others pretty bad, from spoiling their fun and the atmosphere by filling it with toxic gasses, to literally hurting their health. That should not be legal.
I really don't see the difference between punching someone, than to smoke in their faces. It's not a coiencedence that blowing smoke in someone's face is considered a highly agressive act, a severe taunt, like a slap or a punch.
Smoking in a public place should not be allowed. Private places - that's up for the owner, in my opinion. People don't HAVE to walk into a smokers' bar, but they have no choice in a bus or some other public space.
but then you are restricting where people can go.
No, I'm only restricting where they can smoke.Quote:
but then you are restricting where people can go.
Rights are not infinite, and one's right doesn't exist under all circumstances.
its a consperasy im tellin ya first ban it from public spaces then the contry then the world >8Dmwhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhah ahahahahahahahahaha
sorry war angel i think i put it wrong. allowing smoke in pubs and saying "People don't HAVE to walk into a smokers' bar" is restricting where non smokers (those in the right) can go.
Hmm.
I'll stop smoking if all of you stop eating.
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Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
God, the DRAMA. No, people don't have to walk into smoker's bars. A pub is a pub, it includes smoke, alcohol and all that kind of stuff. If you don't like smoke, don't go, if you don't care or like it, go. Simple as that. What, now we have to prepare the places for EVERYONE to like it? Well, I hate the combination of yellow and red, not because it's the flag of the country I live in, but because I believe that combination in decoration hurts my eyes. So I think, well, I'm gonna sue McDonald's, because you know, they are repressing me with their colors. Oh, and the smell of the place. And the food, that represses my rights too. I also can't stand screaming children, take the children away, no children at McDonald's. I say, put some very nice classical decoration and serve the best italian pasta and mediterranean food. With an old Don Perignon, please. And at a good price, I refuse to pay more than 5 euros for all of it. No, wait, screw Euros, I hate them, I want to pay in Pesetas. Because I don't like red and yellow, I don't like bad smell, I don't like that food, I don't like the Euro and I can't stand screaming children.
You can't help to use the bus or the underground, to go to the hospital, to work in an office, to whatever. But you can avoid bars and pubs. And bars and pubs are for drinking and smoking. If you take the drinks or you take the smoke, a bar is not a bar, it's an ice cream parlor. If you don't like the smoke, don't go, the same way I don't go to McDonald's because I hate everything in it.
By the way, we have not banned doing nasty habits in front of people. Save from sex, you can drink and smoke. And sniff cocaine, although you're not allowed to have it. Have you ever seen someone sniff cocaine in front of you? Well, you'll see it's not really a great scandal, it's just a white dust into the nose of someone. Or are you also offended at someone sniffing cocaine in front of you? Not like I sniff cocaine in public or in private, the idea of having some laboratory powder up my nose and to my brain is something that creeps me, but well, I can't see where's the great offense.
First off: I disagree with smoking entirely. There is no possible justification for it, except for ignorance or an incredible apathy where your own well-being is concerned(not only physically, but physical dependence is not very good for self-esteem).
Secondly: I would hesitate to frequent an enclosed public space where smoking was allowed.
Thirdly: I disagree with the government making this decision. Restaurants, bars, pubs, et cetera are private property, and should be each owner's decision whether to allow smoking or not. Since most people don't smoke(or, if only one person in a family smokes, they don't typically smoke when sitting at a table with the rest of the family), this would force most family restaurants and such to ban smoking, and some pubs and such to allow it(or to at least have a smoking section), by virtue of non-smokers and smokers with non-smoking family avoiding establishments where smoking was allowed, and single smokers could have their cigarettes at the local smoking-allowed bar. Everybody wins.
Basically, I approve of smoking not being allowed in a public place. I just disapprove of government involvement.