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08-14-2005, 10:00 PM
Sir Bahamut

Ah, my apologies.
08-14-2005, 10:13 PM
Big D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyblade

There is a citizen in Esthar who asks you how you got there. You have several options. They include "I walked here", in which case the person says "Oh, you must have been to FH", and "I took the Garden here", which prompts the person to say "Really? Could I see it? They were made in Esthar. ...I knew you were lying (when you can't show it to him".

That Esthar citizen is sadly deluded. The Gardens were made by the Centra civilisation, the advanced culture destroyed by the Lunar Cry 80 years ago. Esthar likes to think that it's the greatest place ever, though, so they try to take credit for technological wonders like the Gardens.
08-15-2005, 01:35 AM
ThePheonix

You are starting to sound like Future Esthar! The only proof for the barrier being metalic plates is that when you go to Esthar you run into an entrance - a building that is slightly poping out of the holographic barrier (I would think the building should be solid, as you can climb into it) and it is the only place where you cee ripples in the field, not anywhere else, only where the entrance is (the ladder and the entrance).

You can't go in on the garden because you seem to be flying into a mountain, but the Raganrok can fly through the hologram.
08-15-2005, 03:47 AM
Skyblade

Actually, I really doubt that they are nothing but holograms. For one thing, when you see the plates stacked up, they seem to be metallic plates that can change their color depending on the programs given to them. You don't hang holograms up on racks by the hundreds. Also, when the doorway opens up that first lets you into Esthar, it looks like something opening, not as though a hologram was just turned off. What's more, if it was just a hologram, you would be able to just walk through it at any time. Holograms are insubstantial.
08-15-2005, 12:29 PM
Christmas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyblade

There is a citizen in Esthar who asks you how you got there. You have several options. They include "I walked here", in which case the person says "Oh, you must have been to FH", and "I took the Garden here", which prompts the person to say "Really? Could I see it? They were made in Esthar. ...I knew you were lying (when you can't show it to him".

Pretty interesting.

One of my deductions is he knew you were lying so he lie along with you?

The other of my deductions is....Well, I remember that the people from the Galbadian continent and Esthar originated from Centra as told here.

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/3...tory1tm.th.png

The Centra people used gardens as their transport to Esthar and settled there. So it can also be a possibility that they continued producing gardens there but it is still the Centra people that started with the garden in the first place. Correct me if I am wrong.

Anyway, I am really curious to know how it let us understand the whole storyline by knowing this.
08-15-2005, 01:47 PM
crazybayman

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Originally Posted by Unknowns

You are trying to sound like Square is actually a sercetive and mysterious organizations that is full of secrets in their games and they made it so secretive that no one can find out except you maybe?

So true!!
I said this in one of those retarded earlier threads, and I"ll say it again. FE's whole charade of trying to uncover Square's secrets in FFVIII is exactly like the movie "A Beautiful Mind". Russel Crowe (who played the guy with Schizophrenia) thought that there was an enemy military organization, who relayed code to their allies through characters (letters and numbers) in newspaper clippings.

So Crowe's character was continuously on this mad hunt throught newspapers, cutting them out, marking them up to link "the secret code", and posting them up all over his shed, trying to find out where the "enemy" would strike next. His imaginary friend/ally, played by Ed Harris, was supposedly a general in their own military, who had Crowe under his supervision.

FE's hunt for "the truth" seems to be very similar.

So here's my theory:

FE actually IS Russel Crowe, who because of his intense role in a Beautiful Mind, has given himself Schizophrenia, and thinks that Square is actually a top-secret military organization (as well as video-game developers), who have passed a secret message to FE through FFVIII, that only FE can read. It is FE's job to now crack the code, and pass it along to all his fellow EoFFers, who are to train to become a top secret strike force (all wielding gunblades, no less), to strike back against the evil Laotian Government, who are actually plotting to attack Square headquarters in Japan, because Laos is actually jealous of Japan and their superior software and game developers.
08-15-2005, 02:00 PM
Christmas

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazybayman

who played the guy with Schizophrenia

Alright, let's not piss him off again....the last time when someone tell him to go see a psychiatrist he already make a ruckus about it.....
08-15-2005, 02:09 PM
crazybayman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknowns

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazybayman

who played the guy with Schizophrenia

Alright, let's not piss him off again....the last time when someone tell him to go see a psychiatrist he already make a ruckus about it.....

hehehe :p

He has it coming!! What with the foolishness he gets on with? Really..... :p
08-15-2005, 02:50 PM
liamo

eeem i'm confused are we still talking about ships passing through walls or have we gone into a whole new thing?
08-15-2005, 03:58 PM
sparkie

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazybayman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknowns

You are trying to sound like Square is actually a sercetive and mysterious organizations that is full of secrets in their games and they made it so secretive that no one can find out except you maybe?

So true!!
I said this in one of those retarded earlier threads, and I"ll say it again. FE's whole charade of trying to uncover Square's secrets in FFVIII is exactly like the movie "A Beautiful Mind". Russel Crowe (who played the guy with Schizophrenia) thought that there was an enemy military organization, who relayed code to their allies through characters (letters and numbers) in newspaper clippings.

So Crowe's character was continuously on this mad hunt throught newspapers, cutting them out, marking them up to link "the secret code", and posting them up all over his shed, trying to find out where the "enemy" would strike next. His imaginary friend/ally, played by Ed Harris, was supposedly a general in their own military, who had Crowe under his supervision.

FE's hunt for "the truth" seems to be very similar.

So here's my theory:

FE actually IS Russel Crowe, who because of his intense role in a Beautiful Mind, has given himself Schizophrenia, and thinks that Square is actually a top-secret military organization (as well as video-game developers), who have passed a secret message to FE through FFVIII, that only FE can read. It is FE's job to now crack the code, and pass it along to all his fellow EoFFers, who are to train to become a top secret strike force (all wielding gunblades, no less), to strike back against the evil Laotian Government, who are actually plotting to attack Square headquarters in Japan, because Laos is actually jealous of Japan and their superior software and game developers.

From an older thread (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=51618):

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Yes,but i didn´t changed the letters at random.
In Latin sometimes the letter U appears as V.For example:JULIUS=JVLIVS
In capital letters we write i as I.Otherwise L is read as l.
For the H the explanation is a little more farfetched.
We just have to look and see that H is the assimptotic limit of M when the two diagonal lines of the middle tends to be only one horizontal line in the middle of the two vertical lines.
Convinced?No?
Consider the phrase JHEIIE HDIEU
It is less probable to find a sense word changing just a couple of few letters than to find it chamging all.
In the last case we have 26^11 possible combinations of letters and 26 ^11 ways of change it.
So the probability is 1.
In the first case we have (11 6)*26^6 favourable cases ((11 6) represents the 7th coefficient of the the Newton binom (a+b)^11).
And we have 26^11 possible compinations of the 11 letters.
So the probability is (11 6)/26^5 wich is much more little than1.
And if we consider changing the letters to similar ones then the probability is aproximately 1/26^11.
I am sorry if the calculations are wrong.I am not good in interpreting probabilities.
But I am sure the latter case is more favourable
So if the probability to find is so little and I found it then it couldn´t be a mere coincidence.

I'm not going to say anything.
08-15-2005, 04:02 PM
Christmas

............:sweatdrop

And why not dun post the link? Cause someone might revive the thread and.....
08-15-2005, 05:05 PM
crazybayman

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparkie

From an older thread (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=51618):

Whoa. Uncanny. Thanks Sparkie.

Also, this post from the same thread.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I also like you Necronopticous and everyone on this forum.
I am good on math,however not in the Probability Sector.
The meanings are "Junction Machine Ellone" and "MD Level"
By the way,there is a lot of word play in Final Fantasy VIII.
They help you to unlock mysteries in the game.
Here are some:
Cid-"The Garden is ready to go anytime"
Man in Lunar Gate-"You are there by the time you woke up"
Man in Dollet-"You have a good eye for my craftsmanship (craftsman ship)"
Squall inside the holographic walls of Esthar-"I don´t have time for this,we need to save Rinoa" or something along these lines.
The word "time" appears many many times in the game.
And we have word play with peoples and places names:
VinZer DElINg
DOllEt
cID kramEr
DObE
The inverse of Kramer is Remark = Re+Mark which refers to the kid you save in the confront between the Gardens.
ODEll Burk
Orlan
DINcht
etc

Which further "proofs" my "theory" :p
08-15-2005, 05:10 PM
sparkie

I wonder where he wandered off to anyway...

And should I get rid of the link before mayhem ensues?
08-15-2005, 05:24 PM
crazybayman

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Originally Posted by sparkie

I wonder where he wandered off to anyway...

And should I get rid of the link before mayhem ensues?

Nah.......

Its finally pieces together a puzzle that actually makes sense! :p
08-15-2005, 05:31 PM
Skyblade

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazybayman

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparkie

I wonder where he wandered off to anyway...

And should I get rid of the link before mayhem ensues?

Nah.......

Its finally pieces together a puzzle that actually makes sense! :p

What? The Future Esthar is a psychotic nutcase? We knew that already...

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