udsuna - there are treatments that have been proven to help. Sure, it may not work for some people - but if you would read in my post earlier - i left a solid good link to read more on this.
Now if only we had a cure for ignorance.
Bipper
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udsuna - there are treatments that have been proven to help. Sure, it may not work for some people - but if you would read in my post earlier - i left a solid good link to read more on this.
Now if only we had a cure for ignorance.
Bipper
Hmm, I’m going to presume you were talking about me when you posted that. Let’s just say it’s VERY easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus5
Anyway, before anyone else gets all “gung hoe” about this, let’s put a few things into prospective:
1. This is happening in Chisago, not everywhere in the world. This makes it a community problem, not world news.
2. Whoever alerted then media of this incident was obviously doing it in an attempt to unlawfully remove the man from his neighbourhood, by attempting to cause mass protests.
3. The most likely result of such a protest would be to increase the chances that he WILL attempt to sexually assault another child.
I realize that you must think that it’s the right thing to do to be outraged and work yourself up about something like this, but in the end that sort of mentality only makes things worse. I would really like to know then nature of the sexual crimes this man has committed, because so far the only crimes that were described in that link were acts of indecent exposure, and while that is technically sexual assault, it is nothing compared to what the words would usually imply. It makes me wonder if his first charge was for a similar act….
I still stand by my original post: Leave him alone if he does nothing, react accordingly if he does. This is not something that requires the media coverage it has somehow been provided with, and I can’t help but feel that all protesting is going to do is guide the hand of an already mentally disturbed subject. So really, is it so terrible for me not to care, especially when nothing has happened yet and he is located on the other side of the world? It’s not as if my indifference is going to make things worse…
Or for people not reading replies to a post before they reply themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
These forums are absolutely horrible about that.
Cheers once again Throne.
.opt
"Actually, statistics show that EVERY child molester will repeat, even after prison, unless something physically prevents them from such activity. You cut off their balls, they won't... break their spine, thus permamently paralyzing them, they won't... put a knife in them a few times and let them bleed to death, and they won't... lock them up for the rest of their lives, they won't... traumatize them so thoroughly that all they can do is sit in a corner and hug their legs all day, and they won't. But let them out with the ability to molest again, and they will. Every. Single. ****ing. Time. Without. Exception."
i could say that for theives, murders, drug users, dealers, fraudsters, the ignorant, the work shy, socialists, capitalists, those who speak out, the jews.
we could slaughter every single last one of them. but we don't. why? because no matter what anyone does on this earth they are human. no matter who you are, what you have done, what you are, you are still human. you are still entitled to everything offered by the fact you are human. these people still have rights. it is given to them in every country of this world. a right to live. a right to not be mutilated and maimed. and maybe this is what places us above these people.
but udsuna your hatred, passion for pain and suffering places you on the same plane as them. i hope you remember that.
What kind of crack did you smoke today, Cloud? xD
You talk as if child molesters are just "different." They have sexual relations with children for Christ's sake! Whether they're human or not, they've infringed (usually repeatedly) on the rights of others, and I think that means they have to give up some of their rights. Don't you? At least the "right" to live around children! I know udsuna is being a bit extreme, but he does have a point: these people need to be stopped in order to protect the rights of others, and as it is that isn't happening.
And, no, the right to live isn't given by every country in the world. Not even in the United States. You start off with it, but by infringing on the rights of other you forfit that right. And many countries don't protect people from being maimed in response to crimes committed.
Aside from udsuna being extreme on the issue, I don't see how it makes him just as bad as them. Even if he killed a child molester he hasn't molested any children, and that puts him a step up in my book.
there is no such thing as forefitting your human rights. under no circumstances can you lose them. they are not given by a law. they are not dictated. they are eteranal and unchanging. given to every human from birth to death.
"these people need to be stopped in order to protect the rights of others, and as it is that isn't happening." that is why the need rehabilitating. and actually i believe most are mentall ill and if so belong in a mental home not a jail. and without a sentence on them but treated until they are cured. they are ill not evil.
"Aside from udsuna being extreme on the issue, I don't see how it makes him just as bad as them." because he seems to like the idea of mutilating, maiming and killing other human beings.
"Even if he killed a child molester he hasn't molested any children, and that puts him a step up in my book." no he just wants to mutilate and maim people for life and kill them. that is why he is no higher. a man who seeks to do that to any other person has sunk to the lowest possible level.
So, statistics show that what, 80% of them will do it again? No matter where they live, they'll be able to find kids, unless they live in a prison, ofcourse. So I don't think it matters that much where he lives.
Wrong, buddy. This happens every day. Every where. At any time. And I'm arguing about child molesters in general, not just this one sick person in Chicago.Quote:
ThroneofDravaris
1. This is happening in Chisago, not everywhere in the world. This makes it a community problem, not world news.
In some situations, I agree that getting upset only makes things worse. But in this case, I totally disagree. We are talking about children being molested. The mentality that we should not take this seriously is exactly the thing that makes this worse. People who believe that repeat sex offenders should be given chance after chance are wrong when the statistics prove that child molestation is a sick condition with no cure. People need to be angry about this news because these people are DANGEROUS.Quote:
I realize that you must think that it’s the right thing to do to be outraged and work yourself up about something like this, but in the end that sort of mentality only makes things worse.
"child molestation is a sick condition with no cure." then it does not deserve jail it requires treatment, rehabilitation, understanding and mercy. you cannot punish the sick.
No, paedophilia is. An action isn't a condition. :p
I agree with what you're saying about not punishing the sick, and I never thought that they all should be thrown in jail, except in the worst cases. On the other hand, I think they need to be very closely monitored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
I also feel that these people should not be allowed to buy houses near schools.
I think there needs to be some legislation passed that restricts these people from living within a certain radius of daycars, school, etc. I know that its against the Constitution to say that someone can't live where they choose, but its also against the law to molest children. I think that when they choose to make that decision, they gave up their rights to privacy, etc.
Oops, I stand corrected. :pQuote:
No, paedophilia is. An action isn't a condition. :p
but the condition forces the action.
the problem with letting pedophiles out of jail is they should have never been in jail. that is no way to treat/cure them. it deosn't have the right facilities to deal with these people. they should be treated as anyone else is who is a danger to themselves or others and is mentally ill.
Dear God that is one smurfed up book.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
Also, I think I've heard the word statistics used in almost every single
post recently, yet nobody's bothered to post any type of source or even
quote really, except for one saying that there is treatment for sex
offenders.
.opt
i must agree with cloud no.9. these people dont need to be in jail, they should be in a hospital enviroment getting cured. just because a cure does not exist dosnt mean they woulnt find one.
where do you suggest they live. no matter where you put them they will get the same treatment from people. we have a convicted sex offender in my neighborhood, and people are trying to kick him out. we dont live by any schools or anything either.
did you ever think that something they take into consideration when molesting kids the second time is how people treat them. i mean if they are being accused of a crime they might as well be doing it.
i dont personoly think that sex offenders think when they do that. its a subconcios act of which some of them probably have little to no controll.
WWJD
Anyone that advocates killing really doesnt get much points =/ To me if you think its a disease, then we have different variations of that disease in which theres hetreo, homo, and any other type of attraction is considered a disease related to this. I dont really want to get into the mess of this thread as of now, but just to say i still stand firm where i am and that they are people too and should be treated as such.