Cloud Versus Sephiroth (CLOUD IS WEAK!!!)

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Originally Posted by Khaotic

Didn't pay attention to the story line? Excuse me, I've beaten the game about 10 times, and I've owned it since the day it came out.

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So? My dad saw Star Wars in the theater in 1977 and he still needs me to explain what's going on half the time. Your claims are empty if you demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of key points in the story.

It isn't "obvious" that Sephiroth is stronger if you don't provide any proof. Cloud's still alive; therefore we're left to conclude that Cloud is the stronger, whether it's his native combat prowess, mental acuity, experimental alteration, sheer willpower, or a bit of all of them that allows it to be so. Battles are not won by martial might alone.

u guys are all missing a point. READ LYNX THREAD, he got a perfect point. the reason was in there. he telling u. he got 10 points plus. im not a fanboy...seriously.

Can't we just have a vote on who's stronger? Isn't that much more easier?:)

In martial arts, I've learned one basic truth. The winner of the fight is not determined by who follows "the rules". In a REAL life or death fight, there is no such thing as "dirty fighting" or "cheating". If someone's seriously trying to kill you, throwing dirt in his eyes could save your life. You use the tools you have at your disposal to survive. If there is no "great equalizer" involved, this is going to become a battle of attricion. This is the reason martial arts and weapons were invented, to find sneaky ways to kill things stronger than you. Honor in martial arts is as sensible a concept as honor in war. Sure, it sounds nice, but when has anyone ever won a war without playing dirty pool? If Cloud won, it's because he was the better fighter. Not because he was stronger, more agile, smarter, or better trained, but because he was more resourceful.

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Originally Posted by DJZen

In martial arts, I've learned one basic truth. The winner of the fight is not determined by who follows "the rules". In a REAL life or death fight, there is no such thing as "dirty fighting" or "cheating". If someone's seriously trying to kill you, throwing dirt in his eyes could save your life. You use the tools you have at your disposal to survive. If there is no "great equalizer" involved, this is going to become a battle of attricion. This is the reason martial arts and weapons were invented, to find sneaky ways to kill things stronger than you. Honor in martial arts is as sensible a concept as honor in war. Sure, it sounds nice, but when has anyone ever won a war without playing dirty pool? If Cloud won, it's because he was the better fighter. Not because he was stronger, more agile, smarter, or better trained, but because he was more resourceful.

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Thank you for having a grasp of reality.

Even though I still can't stand you bastards praising Sephiroth every minute, we all know that Cloud was gonna win. C'mon!! Why the hell was square gonna take a turn say Cloud is going to lose and then it ends with Sephiroth banging Tifa?? That's way too unexpected. Though it would've been interesting we all know it's not going to happen. Common sense...

DJ zens right, i was taught to aim straight for a guys eyes or groin (notice martial artists say groin and not balls ;) as the first targets. (what martial arts do you do by the way)

I practice Corellian street moves, which consists mainly of carrying a huge piece and a katana.

...what are we talking about here?[:?]

Cloud was holding back all match. He had a VERY HEAVY sword all battle long, moving it fast and nonstop jumping, wile Sephiroth has a VERY LIGHT sword making him have an advantage. Cloud have many swords in his own sword, making it difficult to use.

OVERALL: CLOUD IS STRONGER (I wish it was Sephiroth!:( )
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Now for intelligence, cloud all was better on that. Even though Sephiroth's brilliant plan of taking Cloud into the building wile Sephiroth weakens the building from the inside so later on it could easily fall, is pretty smart, Cloud can think fast at most situations, and even prepare for the worst, get Sephiroth in the air at the end for a perfect chance to use the limit break.

OVERALL: CLOUD IS SMARTER (Not again!:cry: )
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So even though I wish Sephiroth would have won and I still say Sephiroth is cooler. I think cloud got a lot of good training and deserved this victory.

FINAL OVERALL: CLOUD IS BETTER (For now!)

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Originally Posted by Russielloyd

Agreed. With the amount of things that had happened in Clouds life combined with the massive amount of "Spirit Energy" he had, it combined into one hell of a "Limit Break-Omnislash", something that would defeat Sephiroth quite easily.

Cloud 2
Septhiroth 0

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that wasnt omnislash... i dont think u have omnislash do u?
omnislash hits the target like 15 times reallf fast but all he does in the game is stand their and slash and on the last hit cloud does sort of like a braver attack. in the movie he goes gold like u see in kingdom hearts (well that what i think) i think he just went berserk like in KH and just slashed sephiroth 5 times...

learn what omnislash is.

I was thinking of what to give you... mabye ill give you dispair.
Sephiroth-FF7 AC

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Originally Posted by The_Silver_SOLDIER

WRONG Sephiroth was testing Cloud and he can never die so why not play around with cloud's head eh? Sephy can never die because his cell's are embedded into the lifestream and without the lifestream NO-ONE lives, and also Sephiroth has no equal in strength at all not even Cloud by a LOOONG shot, sephy is like or is a GOD, Cloud is a human-
humans-mortal, fragile, emotional
Gods-Immortal, untouchable, merciless

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wow thats preety good i never thought as sephy as a GOD...

I dont see any point in looking for any logic in any of the fight scenes in Advent. cloud busts out his most powerful, meaning his most demanding move after being stabbed in his sword arm? Anyone who knows anything about martial arts, or physical ability knows that would have been impossible. A swordsman being wounded in his sword arm has practically lost the fight already. Than we have the fact that sephy initially blocked clouds sword bare handed, yet just floated there during clouds new omnislash that cloudshouldnt have been able to pull off. There is absoloutly no logic or thought in Advent whatsoever, so I see little point in discussing who was stronger or weaker. Its more a matter of who the writers and directors favored to win.

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Originally Posted by DJzen

In martial arts, I've learned one basic truth. The winner of the fight is not determined by who follows "the rules". In a REAL life or death fight, there is no such thing as "dirty fighting" or "cheating". If someone's seriously trying to kill you, throwing dirt in his eyes could save your life. You use the tools you have at your disposal to survive. If there is no "great equalizer" involved, this is going to become a battle of attricion. This is the reason martial arts and weapons were invented, to find sneaky ways to kill things stronger than you. Honor in martial arts is as sensible a concept as honor in war. Sure, it sounds nice, but when has anyone ever won a war without playing dirty pool? If Cloud won, it's because he was the better fighter. Not because he was stronger, more agile, smarter, or better trained, but because he was more resourceful.

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martial arts were created to protect oneself through combat, and yes that at times means killing. But the purpose is not to kill, but to protect oneself and what is important. and how can one protect anything, if they cannot discipline the mind? How can anyone bring peace to others if they are not at peace themselves? This is why honor exists in the martial arts world, not as a form of etiquette during combat, but to ensure the reason a martial artist fights never becomes corrupt or crooked, and thus undermines the entire purpose behind the art. A person who fights without a strong mental focus, is often too uncontrolled in their technique, relying brute strength rather than proper technique. this weakness is one which a person of proper training can take advantage of. Also In martial arts is considered an insult, AKA dishonorable, to your opponent NOT to use every technique and skill at your disposal, not to fight with all your might.

With all due respect, this is the reason why I seek to move to japan soon, and gain my black belt there. Most dojo's in the western world do not have as great an understanding of the principles and practices. I'd also like to visit china some day, and train with some real tai chi chuan masters, as it is incredibly difficult finding one outside of china.

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Originally Posted by lil sephy

that wasnt omnislash... i dont think u have omnislash do u?
omnislash hits the target like 15 times reallf fast but all he does in the game is stand their and slash and on the last hit cloud does sort of like a braver attack. in the movie he goes gold like u see in kingdom hearts (well that what i think) i think he just went berserk like in KH and just slashed sephiroth 5 times...

learn what omnislash is.

I was thinking of what to give you... mabye ill give you dispair.
Sephiroth-FF7 AC

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*Q: What is the name of the Limit Break that Cloud used to finish off Sephiroth?
*A: "Choukyuu Bushin Hakazan Version 5" is its name. One of the more accurate translations of the term is "Super Ultimate War God Champion Slash." "Choukyuu Bushin Hakazan" was the name used for Cloud's original ultimate Limit Break, and this was localized as "Omnislash" in English. Therefore, one can call this new Limit Break "Omnislash Version 5."

The suffix "Version 5" was added, by the way, because the form of the attack seen in the film was the fifth version of the attack that they developed to use in that scene.

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Note that much of the information in this FAQ comes from the Director's Commentary included with the Advent Children DVD.

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Learn what you are talking about.

I'll sound like a n00b for saying this...(though I am one...)

but what limit break did Cloud use on Sephiroth?