Evangelical view on the occult .

what? i'm sayin that ppl use these practices, u with me so far? they use these practices to rid the possessed bodies of demons, right? they do this under good intentions and when the practice works( or looks like it works) they believe that the practice was Godly and thus have more belief in God. this is not what satan is trying to accomplish though. im not saying that he is not doing this, im saying he wouldn't do this to get ppl to think that the practice worked and give ppl more belief in God.

Of course.As I said he would do this to deceive people into thinking that occult practices are biblical.But they are not.

that does not prove anything! this just shows that they are doing something they think is right! did u even read the bible? where does it say about ridding bodies of demons being unbiblical?

Dude, if Satan could convince us that God wanted us to commit adultury, people would do it to please God, and then go to hell, because its not what he wants. They were tricked, thinking they were doing right by God. Same concept

In C. S. Lewis's The Screwtape Letters, the uncle demon, Screwtape, tells his nephew that they, as demons, should encourage both magicians and materialists in their views of demons. That both views, demons are useful for powers, and that demons don't exist at all were useful.

He then went on to suggest that if a materialistic magician could be created, that could try to summon the powers of a 'force' but didn't equate the force to being demonic, then it would be a great revolution in the winning of souls for satan.

I think Lewis might've had something there.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

The big Ellone we see is not Ellone (little) but a machine which imitates her.

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Originally Posted by Neco Arc

what the smurf?

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Something he explained in a thread long long ago.

On to the devil´s personality.

The devil is more of the type of cheating people and telling lies.
He is the temptator.
He is manipulative and very clever.
His lies are so convincing that no one perceives them as lies.
He tells half thruths (which were attractive,can be mistakened with the thruth and are the source of his success).
He resides on an hidden realm,the spiritual realm.
Natural man are unable to understand spiritual thruths because these ones can only be discerned spiritually.
Only spiritual born persons are able to understand them and satan´s strategies.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

On to the devil´s personality.

The devil is more of the type of cheating people and telling lies.
He is the temptator.
He is manipulative and very clever.
His lies are so convincing that no one perceives them as lies.
He tells half thruths (which were attractive,can be mistakened with the thruth and are the source of his success).
He resides on an hidden realm,the spiritual realm.
Natural man are unable to understand spiritual thruths because these ones can only be discerned spiritually.
Only spiritual born persons are able to understand them and satan´s strategies.

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u tryin to say ur spiritually born? ehhh, wrong! no one is spiritually born, but Jesus was an exception. God wanted to make everyone equal. everyone is human and a sinner. praise God and his Son, our Savior, Jesus! they are the ones that will lead us to prosperity! yes, Satan does tell lies, that's what he does, but he doesn't really cheat ppl. a better word would be deceive( and i know u were thinking that). also, i agree he is the one that brings all into temptation. he is clever because he used to be an angel, which have almost all knowledge as all questions are answered when u die, by the name of Gabriel(i believe that is accurate, the angel part at least. if he went by a different name pls tell me, i always forget). yes, the ppl not thinking they are lies goes along with the cleverness. the half truths is why ppl go into temptation. i'm pretty sure evryone knows that he lives in a different realm. I agree also with that we are unable to understand spiritual truths because we are human, but as i said before no one is spiritualy born (excpet for Jesus. Glory to our Lord!)

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Originally Posted by Vyk

Dude, if Satan could convince us that God wanted us to commit adultury, people would do it to please God, and then go to hell, because its not what he wants. They were tricked, thinking they were doing right by God. Same concept

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is that adultery? no! get ur subjects right!

Do you believe on salvation by works or salvation by faith,Heero Yuy?

It's actually both. You work to survive and by having faith that helps.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

On to the devil´s personality.

The devil is more of the type of cheating people and telling lies.
He is the temptator.
He is manipulative and very clever.
His lies are so convincing that no one perceives them as lies.
He tells half thruths (which were attractive,can be mistakened with the thruth and are the source of his success).
He resides on an hidden realm,the spiritual realm.
Natural man are unable to understand spiritual thruths because these ones can only be discerned spiritually.
Only spiritual born persons are able to understand them and satan´s strategies.

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Sounds like my girlfriend:

She cheats on people.
Hell yes, she's temptating!
I like clever girls.
She can tell some fairly good stories.
Once again, she can tell good stories.
She resides in a hidden realm... her apartment.
Natural men often have problems understanding natural women, though I think I'm not doing awfully bad.
Only a certain type of men completely understands women, though I'm not one of them.

THUS: My girlfriend is the devil.

I think she'll be happy to hear that theory. I like this one more than the holo wall one; keep up for the good work.

EDIT: If you though that the above statement about "my girlfriend" was insulting, I'd like to state for security reasons to the ones with a slightly less overdeveloped sense of humor than that of certain other personalities, it was a joke.

I made no implication of any kind.I made no theory.Why are you putting things on my mouth that I never said?

Oh, right, sorry. That was someone else's theory you've stated. Was a good one though, thanks for finding it.

This is no theory.:mad2: