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????, the fact that you put Arthur Pendragon in the same level of Jesus, and the fact that you called Kefka fans of "pretentious English majors" and "RPG nerds with body odor" and the fact that you are talking like a superior entity (I have played Zero's series ¬¬') makes me get to the conclusion that you can't be taken seriously. No, really. I won't waste my time with some Sephy fanboy with superiority complex just because he knows a thing or two about physics.
Attempting to get back on topic, Squall would lose. Because I would be sniping at him.
As for the Meteor/Ultima. Meteor takes forever to hit while Ultima is cast normally. Say your in a fight and cast meteor. In one week you'd kill them, but you'd been fried by Ultima long before that. Therefore Ultima wins.
Squall would win, because he could take a Hero and Cloud could use as many KoRT's as he wants and Squall would just whack him with his sword that goes bang.
Squall would. Because both characters can deal 9999 damage, and Squall can get the "Initiative" ability, thus making him attack first.
Squall i think would probably kick any FF characters butt:)
The mere fact that Squall is 17 and Cloud 21, and Squall is STILL competition for Cloud proves in my mind that Squall would utterly massacre Strife.
I like em both, and the only game they're both in, is Kingdom Hearts, and they're on the same side (well at least in KH2 that's clear)
As for the whole Zero thing, zero is just cool, because he has a sword. And I own every Megaman Zero game, and they're fun and hard at the same time, but I definitely enjoy using the sword. Plus they're better for Zero than the X games because it was designed for the sword, while the X games were not, they were designed for X. So, when I play X games, I use X, even though I do think Zero is cool cause of the sword, and then I enjoy the Zero games.
But back to the topic. Who's better? Well, at what point? It's such a biased opinion, if you like one character better, you can't even analyze the situation. There are so many things to determine, what world is it in. Do GFs exist, does Materia Exist. What weapons do they have. What level are they. Why would they even fight to see who is better.
(note, all those questions should have one of these ?)
Anyways, what I'm saying, is it's a pointless argument. Do you like red apples of green apples better? You can't tell which one is truly better. They're both apples, so it's just about your preference, you can't honestly compare them and say one is definitely better than the other.
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Originally Posted by MetaphysicalManifestation
This is the most ridiculous logic I've heard yet. I bet you believe in the rumors that Ronald Wilson Reagan was the anti-Christ because each of his names has 6 letters in it. Or maybe that JFK was a clone of Abraham Lincoln due to all the similarities of their assassinations. You take the lead characters in back-to-back Final Fantasy titles, listing 10 vague attributes and expect this to be a defense for Squall being a "clone" of Cloud?
They both may have a "lone wolf" identity in the beginning of the games, but their history and actions later in the game differ greatly. It seems like you just regarded the first hour of game play in FF8 and forgot that it spanned 4 discs. Hmmm....
Since you probably forgot, I'll remind you that the reasons for why Squall's personality is mostly introverted is not a result of him not remembering his past, as IS the case with Cloud.
Do you know what the primary definition of mercenary is? Mercenary:
1.One who serves or works merely for monetary gain; a hireling.
This applies to Cloud but not at all to Squall, who is a recently graduated STUDENT of the SEED PROGRAM, just in case you forgot...
If you believe Squall ever had a love interest in Quistis, then you seriously misunderstood the game.
Nearly ALL lead Final Fantasy characters overcome emotional obstacles and nearly ALL have love interests which influence this.
"Girly men?" This is your opinion, and a rather stupid one, if you really believe it. Girly men are men who are weak or pathetic, lacking favourable male attributes of strength, leadership, and skill in various disciplines. This doesn't make any sense regarding the lead characters of Final Fantasy games...ok, maybe FFXII.
Naming after weather phenomena has nothing to do with the character's personality.
Oh, and Tidus had a sword too, along with a boatload of other people from Final Fantasy, such as Cecil, Marcus, Beatrix, Seifer, Paine, Ashe, etc...
-So what do you have left? "Both can't clearly remember their past and both were stabbed by a sharp, pointy object." Wow, you convinced me, you know, because Squall and Cloud's pasts are SO similar, right? Maybe if you actually thought about these points you were making you'd realize that you're just grasping at straws while trying to defend FF7. Just because a great game like 7 was trumped by its successor, does not mean you should start proliferating hate and bitterness. I mean, I loved Terminator 1, but Judgment Day was just better, you understand now?
Good argument though....don't quit your day job. lol
Look, let’s get a few things straight first of allQuote:
Originally Posted by Lychon
1. I like Squall as a character, I just don’t think he was entire original
2. In general, I like FFVIII just as much as FFVII (this relates to some of your later comments)
2. You’re acting as if by saying ‘clone’ I mean it literally. ‘Clone’ in this case means that there are several undeniable similarities between the characters that make them rather alike.
Seems to me like he doesn't ditch it until about half way though disk 3. Either way, I never said that they remain 'lone wolves', but they do have that image going for them. Hell, the fact that they both ditch it pretty convincingly could be twisted into yet another similarity that characters have :p.Quote:
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Did I state anything contrary to this? What exactly is your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lychon
SeeD are mercenaries. They are hired out to multiple organisations during that game. It’s only until later when you find out the ‘true’ intentions SeeD was to create warriors to kill the Sorceresses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lychon
Quistis crakcs onto Squall at the beginning of the game almost as much as Aeris cracks onto Cloud. As it turns out, Quistis wasn’t really in love with Squall, but then Aeris wasn’t really in love with Cloud either. He simply reminded her of Zach (this is further verified by the ending to Advent Children)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lychon
Nope. Zidane snaps out of his little spat due to his instrumentality with ALL of his fiends, not just Garnet. Yuna doesn’t even find out that Tidus is a dream until the very end. Rosa wasn’t with Cecil during his little epiphany moment when he turns into a Paladin either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lychon
Half the characters that Amano drew looked like women. Squall is based on Gackt, have you seen Gackt? There are jokes contained within FFVII that Cloud could pass as a woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lychon
Did I say it had something to do with personality? No, it’s just another aspect the two characters share.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lychon
That was in response to some other guy, who stated the only thing the two characters had in common was that they both used a sword.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lychon
Hate and bitterness? Are you out of your mind? I just said that I like Cloud more, because he and Squall are very similar (I would use the word ‘clone’ again, but then you might go all medieval on my arse) but Cloud did it all first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lychon
Seriously, there are far more people out there saying crap that is far more baseless that what I said. IMO, I think all of my points are pretty valid. Let me say it again, I like FFVIII, and I find it amusing ( well, annoying as well, but mainly amusing) that you could have possibly have interpreted what I said as the mindless ravings of a ’BOO FFVIII YAY FFVII’ fanatic.
i got two things to say.... Cloud doesn't ahve trouble communicating, he just has trouble remembering what is real is his past, he has no problem talking to people and telling them his stories, where as Squall doesn't say anything.
And secondly, Cloud is a mercenary for like 10 minutes of the game, where as Squall and SEED is a Mercenary Group.
OH and just so ?????? knows, people love Kefka, because he's funny and insane and he actually ruled over the earth for a long period of time, making him successful at what he did.
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In response to MetaphysicalManifestation:
His point was that while neither can remember their pasts they are immensely different, maning a huge difference in their characters (I assume, it seems like that's what it must have meant and it's a good point).Quote:
Did I state anything contrary to this? What exactly is your point?
I'm not going to respond to many other points because I don't want an argument but I just want to say it feels like a lot of them are about story around them not character or personality itself. These are similar characters but not clones. You can insult him about attacking these words all you want but that's what you said and that's wrong. You then clarified, but you insulted him ("I would use the word ‘clone’ again, but then you might go all medieval on my arse") over thinking a different meaning of the word, which you shouldn't do. Either way clone does imply the same so I have to disagree with that part of the response. They are similar characters but there are also major differences (not saying you ever claimed there weren't), and as what you originally said was:
I think you're wrong. It's a generalization that doesn't work. There may be another reason but the reason you gave also doesn't even fit the question- who would win in a fight...Quote:
Well since Squall was pretty much a Cloud clone, I guess I'm going to have to go with the original.
So now I'll answer that with what I posted in another thread:
And one more thing to add, fights can be hugely based on luck, terrain makes a difference, how prepared you are, whether you've had enough to eat or are tired- so many things could make a large impact, including the crowd or their social lives. Either could win I'm just saying Squall would have a reasonable edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by raskerino
Edit: And on Kefka, I think he's an okay villian. He's funa and that's it. His motives aren't well done nor is there an interesting character. But it's good that so many people like him, he's fun. And insulting that is pointless and imperious (?????? has been banned so he can't respond).
I'm sorry, but I think it's absolutely ridiculous for him to consider that I meant Squall was literally a clone of Cloud. The definition I gave is widely accepted in relation to the word now days, and it doesn't necessarily mean a complete copy. Zechs Merquise from Mobile Suit Gundam Wing is often described as a 'Char Aznable' clone, and you would be insane if you thought that he was a perfect copy. That, combined with that fact that he accused me of 'hating on FFVIII' didn't really give me the incentive to give a polite response.Quote:
Originally Posted by raskerino
That was the question? [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img], my bad.Quote:
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Ok, my first response to you was a little harsh, but I accused you of hating on FFVIII because that is the impression I got from your previous posts. Even if you do hate FFVIII, that's your opinion and I didn't mean to insult you because of it.
What I'm saying is that many of the common characteristics you cited appear to me as surface similarities and opinions. Playing through Final Fantasy 7 and 8, I recieved a completely different idea of Cloud and Squall's personalities. You, obviously thought them to be more alike than not.
-Alex
Cloud, hands down.
I do. Only the devil is that much of an asswhole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lychon
Um sure I guess the fact there from different worlds doesnt play into your "theory"at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lychon