Adel's thoughts

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Originally Posted by Christmas

If you can produce a quote that flat out says that Adel has 0% mental activity while sealed, then I'll concede, but as far as I know, no such quote exists, rendering your argument here baseless.

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acutally there is a base to it. u know that esthar has advcanced technology right? and that they apply the rules of motion meaning that if something is cooled the particles slow down making motion slower. since adel is in this seal she is frozen to a point where she cannot move meaning that her brain had been cooled to a low enough temp to where it can not process data or perform functions. and yes, they do use these rules in the FFVIII world so don't say that Square changed the rules for the game.

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Originally Posted by Heero Yuy NWZC

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Originally Posted by Christmas

If you can produce a quote that flat out says that Adel has 0% mental activity while sealed, then I'll concede, but as far as I know, no such quote exists, rendering your argument here baseless.

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acutally there is a base to it. u know that esthar has advcanced technology right? and that they apply the rules of motion meaning that if something is cooled the particles slow down making motion slower. since adel is in this seal she is frozen to a point where she cannot move meaning that her brain had been cooled to a low enough temp to where it can not process data or perform functions. and yes, they do use these rules in the FFVIII world so don't say that Square changed the rules for the game.

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Christmas don't accept this explaination nor does it matters when Christmas asked the question in the first place.

i did not ask a question. i am simply proving a point with which is now proven true since u did not reply with any refutable proof.

That is only when I did asked the question in the first place, chap.

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Originally Posted by Heero Yuy NWZC

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Originally Posted by Christmas

If you can produce a quote that flat out says that Adel has 0% mental activity while sealed, then I'll concede, but as far as I know, no such quote exists, rendering your argument here baseless.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

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Originally Posted by Sir Bahamut

Future Esthar: Please, I didn't mean it like that You just hurt my feelings with your initial comments in this thread

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You are a gentleman.

I also got hurt when you said the forums would be a better place without me and that you had enough faith on humanity to say people like me exist.That sounds Nazi like.

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I'm not entire sure, but I believe Sir Bahamut's intention was not to apologise to you, but more to satirise your earlier apology to him which resulted in the quote, 'you are not forgiven'.

In other words he ‘snapped’ you.

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acutally there is a base to it. u know that esthar has advcanced technology right? and that they apply the rules of motion meaning that if something is cooled the particles slow down making motion slower. since adel is in this seal she is frozen to a point where she cannot move meaning that her brain had been cooled to a low enough temp to where it can not process data or perform functions. and yes, they do use these rules in the FFVIII world so don't say that Square changed the rules for the game.

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I'm sorry, but you haven't provided a quote. Your assumptions on FF8 technology are completely baseless without a quote, meaning I could simply retort with "While it is theoretically possible to cool someone down enough to stop brain activity, Esthar does not have that technology as of yet", putting us back at square one.

Without a quote, this part of the debate is meaningless, meaning we fall back to the fact that everything indicates that Adel sent the messages, thus giving me the upper hand.

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I'm not entire sure, but I believe Sir Bahamut's intention was not to apologise to you, but more to satirise your earlier apology to him which resulted in the quote, 'you are not forgiven'.

In other words he ‘snapped’ you.

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Yep, although apparently sarcasm is lost on some people...

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That is only when I did asked the question in the first place, chap.

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Erm, you know I'm the one who asked him for a quote right, and that the quote you put as "Originally Posted by Christmas" was, in fact, originally posted by me, right?

OK, ok...

We have proof for both sides of the arguments. But for the one stating Adel is NOT behind it to work you need an alternative source. Who is the one sending the signals if it is not Adel? If no satisfactory alternative is found, then we must assume it is Adel.

first, how will signals get through if in fact they are all jammed? u haven't told me and no one has said anything about it. all i hear is that adel manipulated some signals to carry her thoughts. no one has said how she got the signals unjammed. also, if u remember chryogenic freezing, that is what they did to adel. u see? u have any other proof that they didn't. if not, then they did which in turn means that they have the thechnology to slow the mind down to where it cannot function.

That is interesting...In the game they do state that no body can make contact with Adel via radio waves, junctioning, etc. But who else is it if it is not Adel. Is it Edea calling for help in desperation knowing she is the pawn in an evil scheme? Is it Ultimecia, calling from the depths of time? Is it Ellone, calling out for Laguna to save her? None of those three make much sense...

So, if its not Adel, then who else could it possibly be? If no alternative source is found, then we are must assume it is Adel and she somehow found a way to send a message...

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first, how will signals get through if in fact they are all jammed? u haven't told me and no one has said anything about it. all i hear is that adel manipulated some signals to carry her thoughts. no one has said how she got the signals unjammed. also, if u remember chryogenic freezing, that is what they did to adel. u see? u have any other proof that they didn't. if not, then they did which in turn means that they have the thechnology to slow the mind down to where it cannot function.

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Again though, you are failing to come with either a quote, or coming with an alternate source for the messages. What I'm suggesting, by the way, isn't that signlas got through the seal, nor that she unjammed them. I'm simply saying that with all of Adels immense powers, those three thoughts seeped out from the powerful seal, and were transmitted though radio-waves down to earth.

Please, you must surely agree that the only logical place those messages could have come from were Adel, no? And if so, then we must assume that she simply found a tiny enough hole in the seal to slowly let those tiny messages seep through, make their way into the jammed radio-waves outside the seal, carrying them all the way back to earth where they get displayed on the static.

Your arguing is pointless, and simply arguing for the sake of arguing unless you can find a plausible alternate source for the messages. As Noj said, if there is no other more plausible explanation than Adel having sent them, we must assume it is Adel, and that the seal was not 100% perfect.

Someone trying to imitate Adel.Why not?

Maybe this messages had some other meaning?

And since the words were at random maybe the phrase can be made another way?

The words are NOT at random, for the second time. :mad2:

ScreenshotMan at rescue!(Interesting username to change to).

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Someone trying to imitate Adel.Why not?

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Future Esthar is absolutely right on this one.

Allow me to enlighten everyone with the one and only truth. You may be shocked, surprised or even scared when you see it. It is indeed SADAKO that send the message!

Look at the pictures below.

http://fan.tahlmorra.net/rinoa/photos/rinoa07.jpg
http://www.greenoblivion.com/sadako_ring.jpg

I CAN HARDLY TELL ANY DIFFERENCES.

It is pretty obvious that the creators of the game take references from Sadako while making this character called Rinoa and I got news that they are big fan of Sadako which I had no idea why.

Also something to take note of is both Sadako and FF VIII originated from Japan. It is too much of a coincidence.

There are also a lot of references to Sadako through the dialogue of the characters in the game. Let's take a look.

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Julia: You were always smiling while listening, right? You have
beautiful eyes. Though they look a bit scared now. Don't worry, I'm not going to pluck'em and eat'em. I just want to talk, gazing into those
eyes. Would you like a drink? Wine perhaps?

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Julia: Yes... The many faces you've shown me. Times when you were hurt,
worried... Or felt pain deep inside you. Your smile, your face, your
eyes... You've shown me something... I think I can come up with a song.

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Squall:
You smile when our eyes met...)

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Ellone: Of course! You were my eyes. Thanks to you guys, I was able to
see how much I was loved.

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Ellone: I remember those eyes. You just looked at me with the same eyes
you had when you were little. Those curious, innocent, puppy dog eyes,
I loved those eyes.

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Take note that the last quote is the most important of them all.

Now let's take a look at Sadako's trademark.

WARNING: CLICK AT YOUR OWN RISK.

SADAKO

Yes, it is those eyes, eyes!!! Eyes is the keyword to the connection between everything. There aren't anyway that they isn't connected and the importance of "EYES" in both the game and the movie/novel tell us all.

PS: Even the theme song is about Eyes.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Maybe this messages had some other meaning?

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Recall how Sadako send her curse through the form of videotape while being trapped in a well. What do you use to play a videotape? A TV of course.

Take note that Adel is too trapped somewhere and have supernatural powers just like Sadako. So there is no telling that Adel = Sadako while the character design of Rinoa is taken from Sadako.

And those message were pretty obnoxious and creepy just like what Sadako will send as seen in the movie/novel.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

And since the words were at random maybe the phrase can be made another way?

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This is not a word jumble game my dear Future Esthar.

I cannot believe you have revealed the true identity of Squall, Rinoa, AND Adel in one day! Amazing work Christmas! :D lol