New Super Smash Bros. Brawl Characters?

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Originally Posted by Darth Holmes

Here's mine

Special bar. Each character should have a supermove or two. Like each character would have a bar at the bottom of the screen, it grows as the player deals out or receives damage. When it gets full enough the character can use up that bar to do special tactics, like do a super move, increase attack/defense/speed. Examples of Supermoves would be causing Mario to have the same effect as him picking up a star in the Mario games.
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tht would mess up the game

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Originally Posted by Astronite

I for one thought it was rather dumb that Ganondorf had the same moves as Captain Falcon O.o;; Yes he was slower, but IMO that's not much of a change.

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Then you've obiviously not played Ganon and C. Falcon enough. The difference between Ganon and C. Falcon is far bigger than the difference between most other clones. And their movesets are not completely the same either. Ganondorf's Up Tilt is the worthless Explosion Kick. A powerful but extremely slow KO move. C. Falcon's Up Tilt is a much faster edge-guard move. Also, their Forward Aerials are extremely different, other than the fact that they both are their main KO moves.

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Originally Posted by Cz

The issue is not that Pichu is a clone, it's that it's terrible, and nobody in their right mind would use it. :D

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That's the reason you WANT to play him. I mean... you can beat people with him and then laugh them in the face for getting beat by the weakest character in the game. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow

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Originally Posted by Astronite

I for one thought it was rather dumb that Ganondorf had the same moves as Captain Falcon O.o;; Yes he was slower, but IMO that's not much of a change.

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Then you've obiviously not played Ganon and C. Falcon enough. The difference between Ganon and C. Falcon is far bigger than the difference between most other clones. And their movesets are not completely the same either. Ganondorf's Up Tilt is the worthless Explosion Kick. A powerful but extremely slow KO move. C. Falcon's Up Tilt is a much faster edge-guard move. Also, their Forward Aerials are extremely different, other than the fact that they both are their main KO moves.

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Originally Posted by Cz

The issue is not that Pichu is a clone, it's that it's terrible, and nobody in their right mind would use it. :D

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That's the reason you WANT to play him. I mean... you can beat people with him and then laugh them in the face for getting beat by the weakest character in the game. :cool:

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Hey man, Gannons explosion kick isn't usless, not as usefull, but still usefull. I would say I wish they keep him the same, but with the knew control I'm not sure how that would work. I just hope he remains as awsome, along with Ness.

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Originally Posted by corncracker

Hey man, Gannons explosion kick isn't usless, not as usefull, but still usefull. I would say I wish they keep him the same, but with the knew control I'm not sure how that would work. I just hope he remains as awsome, along with Ness.

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There's only 1 singel use for the Explosion Kick: On a sleeping Jigglypuff who missed a Rest. But good Jiggly's knows about this and only use Rest vs Ganon when they KNOW it's going to hit anyways, so yeah...

When it comes down to it, the Explosion Kick is Ganon's worst move. And the reason is simply: You won't land it unless your opponent is sleeping.

I've landed it, not often though. Its usefull for catching people coming up after they use their up-b. Its definately more useful than what your saying though, also at times its good as a follow up attack if you hit them with some sort of air combo. Its definatley not his most useful move, far from it, but definately not useless.

they should have like a world where you choose a character and level it up and buy new equips weapons for it while putting points into a sorta skill tree system.

thatd waste hours.

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Originally Posted by corncracker

I've landed it, not often though. Its usefull for catching people coming up after they use their up-b. Its definately more useful than what your saying though, also at times its good as a follow up attack if you hit them with some sort of air combo. Its definatley not his most useful move, far from it, but definately not useless.

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Have you ever landed it on even a decent player, though? CPU's doesn't count, because they suck and have no brains.

Experienced players will sweet-spot the edge with their Up B's, thus you'll not be able to land it. And you shouldn't use Up B's as offensive moves on stage unless you're Link or Bowser... and in a few cases Marth. Any combo that would end with a Explosion Kick is easily escapable. You "can't" land the Explosion Kick in a serious match against a good player unless it's a Jiggly. And if you for some reason would like to go with a slow power-move anyways, the Warlock Punch is usually still a better option. Sure, it got less KO power than the Explosion Kick at low %, but it got slightly less start up time, better dammage, slightly better range AND can be started in the air.

But in all seriousness, those are Ganon's absolutely worst moves unless you play a Jiggly. And I seriously think the Explosion Kick is useless... and one of the worst moves in the game. Using it is basically like saying: "Hi! I'll be standing here, charging for a while. Please, hit me with something powerful or combo me to death while I do this". :p

Edit: On a side note, I'm going to start a SSBB EoFF online tourney once the game has been released in every country. If Ganon still got the Explosion Kick, you may get a chanse to prove me wrong. ;)

Let's see. Pichu needs to be buffed up a bit, or at least get rid of that whole damage-yourself-when-using-electric-attacks limitation.

Adding on to what a previous poster said, I do think Young Link should get his masks from Majora's Mask. I believe that being able to turn into the Fierce Deity for around 30 seconds should be his ultimate attack.

Give Ganondorf his sword, and make his Explosion Kick less useless, or replace it with something better.

I do think Roy should be varied from Marth. Roy should have powerful fire-based attacks, while Marth should try to flow into one combo into another. I still want Roy to keep Flare Blade, though. That move is awesome.

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Originally Posted by Meta-Knight

I do think Roy should be varied from Marth. Roy should have powerful fire-based attacks, while Marth should try to flow into one combo into another. I still want Roy to keep Flare Blade, though. That move is awesome.

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That's pretty much the way it already is in melee. Also, Roy should be buffed up a little. The powerbalance between Marth and Roy is too big in melee. Roy should have a better recovery and a decent spike/meteor move, in my oppinion.

YEs, I have hit experienced players with it. I almost beat one of the top players in a tournament with Gannon, and I hit him with explosion kick a decent number of times. You just have to know what your doing with it.

Then, may I ask: "How" did you do in order to land the Explosion Kick? Because no sane, skilled player would "run into it" or "get combo'ed into it".

A top player in a tourney getting hit by Explosion Kick just... sounds wrong.

You might have to give me a while, my freind has had the my copy for over six months and I havn't played it for quite a while.

Edit: Ok, problem solved trough PM. He actually meant Wizard's Foot aka the Down B, which in fact is a really good move. The Explosion Kick is the Up Tilt (Up + A, not smash), the move were he stands with his leg in the air for a while, then slams it in the ground causing an explosion. THAT'S a really, really bad move.

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Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow

So you remember almost beating a top player with the use of Explosion Kick, but you don't remember how you managed to hit with it?

Oh well... whatever. But there's ALWAYS better and safer options than Explosion Kick. Because no matter what you do, an Explosion Kick will always be completely avoidable unless it's on a sleeping/stunned character. I've actually never got hit by an Explosion Kick.

Sorry. I may be completely wrong but... the fact that the "top player" you fought got hit by Explosion Kick makes me doubt he really was a top player.

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He was like the third rank in the tournament.I believe he was fox and after his fox fire jump thing at times he makes for an easy target with the attack. Though yes, there are definately better options. The guy who actually won it I couldnt hit him with it though, however he was sheik and kept doing that annoying dodge roll crap and dodged virtually every attack, but thats beside the point.

Edit: ITs now been brought to my attention that I have been argueing in favor of the wrong move, thinking explosion kick with wizard foot. Feel free to beat me for my stupidity.

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Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow

Edit: Ok, problem solved trough PM. He actually meant Wizard's Foot aka the Down B, which in fact is a really good move. The Explosion Kick is the Up Tilt (Up + A, not smash), the move were he stands with his leg in the air for a while, then slams it in the ground causing an explosion. THAT'S a really, really bad move.

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If it was a charge move, it would've been better, but FORCING you to swing for the rafters isn't very useful. Gerudo Punch is far more effective.