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I have read many theories about this and I dont find answer so I want to answer it myself.So far I think the explanation I give about those painating is wonderful.My explanation describe Ultimecias feeling about something
I think My explanation give much information about Her.Quote:
(But I admit, I /do/ like the idea that she painted them--I just think she did it before deciding to destroy everything.)
I´m sorry Viator but i hardly think that stating that she painted is as plausible as saying that she was a Cid who turned transexual or that she is a dominatrix.
I mean there´s not a single fact that allows you to prove it, plus the interpretation of the paintings themselfes depends a lot from person to person.
I started a thread a long time ago about this subject, among others. But we only got as far as the Garden, Messenger, and Sleeping paintings. It's an interesting perspective you have.
I thought of Diablos as the Messenger, but my interpretation of the Garden was more allegorical: the Garden of Eden. Eden is of course a GF, but it looks like an organic version of Garden itself. My link to Diablos is that he represents the devil/serpent that corrupted mankind with knowledge of good and evil. So the overall theme of the main painting was corruption, which would suit Ultimecia's taste.
I think Christmas' more literal interpretation is more likely. Although, in the end, the game designers just needed Latin words with I, V, and X.
I was staying on topic. Why don't you just do us all a favor and quit posting pointless messages on here... Nobody cares. You're not always right you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viator
I think my only problem with the Diablos theory as you presented it would be that FF8's mythology is not our mythology; there is no garden/serpent myth there, as far as I can tell.
And sure, Viator, it makes information, but it's information that I don't think fits with the rest of the feel and spirit of the game.
Diablos has nothing to do with Ultimecia or that picture becauseQuote:
I thought of Diablos as the Messenger, but my interpretation of the Garden was more allegorical: the Garden of Eden. Eden is of course a GF, but it looks like an organic version of Garden itself. My link to Diablos is that he represents the devil/serpent that corrupted mankind with knowledge of good and evil. So the overall theme of the main painting was corruption, which would suit Ultimecia's taste.
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How the hell Ultimecia can know anything about Diablos?
How the hell Ultimecia knows that Diablos sleeps in the Magic Lamp?
So Diablos has nothing to do with Ultimecia.
So The Man in that painting describe Squall.
I already said I dont want to argue about this painter thing if you dont believe it,that is not my problemQuote:
I mean there´s not a single fact that allows you to prove it, plus the interpretation of the paintings themselfes depends a lot from person to person.
Hey take it easy,you misunderstand,I was talking to other people because they talking about the castle instead the painting that's why I told them to stay on topic,got that?Quote:
I was staying on topic. Why don't you just do us all a favor and quit posting pointless messages on here... Nobody cares. You're not always right you know.
It depends on 'perspective'.Quote:
And sure, Viator, it makes information, but it's information that I don't think fits with the rest of the feel and spirit of the game.
There are few myths that are mentioned explicitly (Hyne and Ultimecia seem to be two), but the creators have exported real mythological characters (Odin, Siren, Gilgamesh, Tiamat, Leviathan, etc...) into the game. It would seem to be reasonable that the myths about them came with them.
As for Ultimecia's knowledge of Diablos, the fact that she's from the future could explain how she knows about him. Any historical information that survives to her time could be used.
Mind you, this is all speculation. I'm not claiming this is true, it just could be.
Unfortunately, before that statement can be accepted, you must first prove that the pictures have some meaning to Ultimecia. You have not done that. You have presented a possible interpretation of how they might be, but you have not given us proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viator
You can hardly claim that this is a comprehensive theory when you do not even try to address one of the issues that is at the foundation of your idea.Quote:
I already said I dont want to argue about this painter thing if you dont believe it,that is not my problemQuote:
I mean there´s not a single fact that allows you to prove it, plus the interpretation of the paintings themselfes depends a lot from person to person.
Quite wrong, actually. Nearly everything here has been staying on topic. You may not like some of the posts, but that doesn't matter. The topic is discussing the viability of your view of the paintings. However, in order to determine how well your views fit in with the rest of the game, we have to look at the rest of the game. If you take just the paintings, certainly, you could assign them whatever meaning you want. But the paintings are not the only issue here. You claim that the paintings have special significance, yet give no evidence as to why. Furthermore, you do not explain why the paintings would be significant to Ultimecia when nothing else in her castle is. If the paintings have meaning that the game didn't tell us, why wouldn't anything else in the castle have a similar unknown meaning?Quote:
Hey take it easy,you misunderstand,I was talking to other people because they talking about the castle instead the painting that's why I told them to stay on topic,got that?Quote:
I was staying on topic. Why don't you just do us all a favor and quit posting pointless messages on here... Nobody cares. You're not always right you know.
No, with what you have presented us here, your theory cannot be accepted. Certainly, we can not disprove it, but that doesn't matter. In order to have an acceptable theory, you have to prove that it makes sense in the game world. You have given us a way that it might be interpreted, but nearly all your evidence is speculation, not in-game fact. To have a good theory requires in-game support. To have a good idea for fanfiction, you just require consistency with the game world (not being consistent with the game world is the realm of good fanfiction). Thus, while you have a nice idea, it does not stand up as a theory, because it requires too many assumptions that can't be proven if it were true.Quote:
It depends on 'perspective'.Quote:
And sure, Viator, it makes information, but it's information that I don't think fits with the rest of the feel and spirit of the game.
Bahamut was originally a fish. Odin is a dead king in FF4. Quetzlcoatal has no feathers. There are signfigant deviations from the standard to assume that at the least, there are differences.Quote:
There are few myths that are mentioned explicitly (Hyne and Ultimecia seem to be two), but the creators have exported real mythological characters (Odin, Siren, Gilgamesh, Tiamat, Leviathan, etc...) into the game. It would seem to be reasonable that the myths about them came with them.
Agreed.
But even Odin with two eyes and Sleipnir with six legs are recognizable.
What is this big deal about Ultemica's castle? Isn't there any proof how the castle was created? Without proof, it's not good enough.
Mebbeh she bought the paintings. Ooh, I bet she likes auctions. Probably where she got her fake wings too. Or, maybe her castle used to be some sort of museum. And if she's so far into the future, what the hell is with that old-style castle? Damn it's like medieval... Get some style, woman! You look at Esthar and you see all this crazy technology then you see Ulti, who happens to be far into the future, and has an old fashioned castle. Gawd, if I were an evil sorcerer, I'd want a freaking futuristic kingdom with some high-tech security, not just some [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]ty guardians who seal your intruders' magic powers and stuff! Also, I wouldn't express my feelings through paintings. I would express my feelings through killing and time compression! But that's if I'm an evil sorcerer, of course. Which... I'm not. :shifty:
Also, I wouldn't be sittin in a crummy ol' castle alone! I would have some hot, only-slightly-evil-to-the-extent-of-her-enjoying-my-evilness-and-not-killing-me-for-it kind of girl. With a nice rack?
And screw time compression. I'd just try to figure out a way for myself to not age, and let life go on as I make life miserable for everybody else.
In conclusion, Cid Kramer is Ulti with a pair of panties and a do-it-yourself make-over kit.
Ultimecia was a construction worker before turning into a soreceress and that´s the way she built her litle castle.
Yes,and why She bother about Diablos anyway.So far Diablos has nothing to do with Ultimecia.So why that picture has to be Diablos.Quote:
As for Ultimecia's knowledge of Diablos, the fact that she's from the future could explain how she knows about him. Any historical information that survives to her time could be used.
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Unfortunately, before that statement can be accepted, you must first prove that the pictures have some meaning to Ultimecia. You have not done that. You have presented a possible interpretation of how they might be, but you have not given us proof.
I cant give you proof because there's no proof in the game that has a connection with the painting in-game info.I never ask you to accept that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viator
I think My theory make senses with the game world and Ultimecia.Quote:
No, with what you have presented us here, your theory cannot be accepted. Certainly, we can not disprove it, but that doesn't matter. In order to have an acceptable theory, you have to prove that it makes sense in the game world.
Well you dont need to believe it.
I answer that mystery just like anybody else before and My answer is not bad,I guess.
Whats the sole purpose for ultemica to have a big castle like that? Has anybody ever entered into the castle before, execpt squall and others? Why are there things broken in the castle? something must have happened