1572,the year of FF8.

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

REALLY? I don't recall ever having to smack them for infesting the head. Burden of proof that they reproduce.

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I think he is referring to the note left by the Ragnarok's former inhabitants. They say that they thought they had wiped them out previously, and left the instructions on how to kill them in case the infestation started again. However, there is no proof that they did actually succeed in wiping them all out, nor any proof that they reproduced. Think about it. Sure, the crew was able to leave the note, but they weren't able to get back to Earth. They probably killed most of them, but were finally overpowered by the last ones, who you later have to fight when you board the ship.

They say"In case they breed again",not "the ones left".
These guys know they can breed again.To this argument you can add the fact that the Propagators eyes flash and voila.

:s I'm so confused I always thought that the date of ff would be more like probably 10 000 year... but the O should be smth like that, although we can't forget that being a different world maybe it has also different time, so when it's the 16th century there they are more advanced than us!

Future, you still have the problem that they never come back after you kill them, meaning that you now need to show that Squall and Rinoa didn't wipe out the infestation.

And you need to prove the eye flashing.

Go play the game to see the eye flashing.I am not saying they appear when they are all defeated.I am saying the eyes flash when you kill two couples by the same color(without killing them all).

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Future, you still have the problem that they never come back after you kill them, meaning that you now need to show that Squall and Rinoa didn't wipe out the infestation.

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See post 781,782.

The very fact that bodies disappear don´t prove they are dead.
That is for game beauty purposes.

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I'm just really curious when Balamb Garden actually time traveled.

Definition: the hypothetical process of moving between past and future; also written time-travel

Elleone can send your mind/spirit back through time, and in the future Dr Odines Junction Elleone machince can send Ultimecia (and its said shes the only one that could handle it). But just humor me with when the gigantic garden which Cid and Norg created jumped through the fabric of time??? and I can fly the garden for 13 hours in the game if I wanted so apparently the beast has plenty of gas(or steam units, whatever you wanna call it) to go around

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The Garden is a remodelation of DSRC after the flood dried and it get attached to the clock tower and master room of Ulti´s Castle (as known as excavation site).
Of course at this time Ulti had already made some changes on her castle.

We know that it is possible to refill the gas tank somehow from what we learn on DSRC.
But then the door unlocking sequence has to be done again.
This by itself is strange and indicates DSRC can time travel.
By the way,it is RSP (reserve steam pressure).Not reserve steam points.Sorry for that mistake.
Let me explain more.The Garden has some kind of GPS system.It was programmed to time-travel when it pass through certain regions.Of
course no one besides Odine (and probably Laguna) knows how to manually time-travel Garden.

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Actually, the flying system the Garden has was made before the creation of the Garden, maybe relationed to Centra people

Aside of this, the Garden didn't go through time, it stayed in the team's time, and the part where Seifer, Fujin and Raijin see the Garden, is after time restoration, it really happens in present.

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Of course,it goes back to Ulti´s castle.The CLOCK TOWER was a primitive version of a time-machine.
The GPS system is also there.The big clock is a giant map.

The clocks central gauge represents FH.One of the pointers points toward Esthar(this one I don´t understand) and the other point´s towards Edea´s house.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Go play the game to see the eye flashing.I am not saying they appear when they are all defeated.I am saying the eyes flash when you kill two couples by the same color(without killing them all).

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I've played it lots of times, and I've never seen the eye flashing. Could you give a specific point that we should look at to note this imaginary activity?

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The very fact that bodies disappear don´t prove they are dead.
That is for game beauty purposes.

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Tell me, if there were Propagator survivors, where on that little ship are they hiding so well from both the team and the CC members?

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The Garden is a remodelation of DSRC after the flood dried and it get attached to the clock tower and master room of Ulti´s Castle (as known as excavation site).
Of course at this time Ulti had already made some changes on her castle.

We know that it is possible to refill the gas tank somehow from what we learn on DSRC.
But then the door unlocking sequence has to be done again.
This by itself is strange and indicates DSRC can time travel.
By the way,it is RSP (reserve steam pressure).Not reserve steam points.Sorry for that mistake.
Let me explain more.The Garden has some kind of GPS system.It was programmed to time-travel when it pass through certain regions.Of
course no one besides Odine (and probably Laguna) knows how to manually time-travel Garden.

Of course,it goes back to Ulti´s castle.The CLOCK TOWER was a primitive version of a time-machine.
The GPS system is also there.The big clock is a giant map.

The clocks central gauge represents FH.One of the pointers points toward Esthar(this one I don´t understand) and the other point´s towards Edea´s house.

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Um, prove this, please. In fact, give any evidence at all supporting this idea.

Future Esthar, these theories you explain are indeed empressive, but is there more proof or explantions?

FE, you are trying to tell us that the place where Garden was build, is a part of Ultimecias castle?

I remember a post where someone talks about the orphanage, In past is a complete, cute place, in present is a damaged place, and you then talk about the place where Ultimecia's castle is attached... If I'm right, there was a huge chain attached to ground and to the castle, if the castle is from the past, then wouldn't one part of the chain still in the ground, or in the surroundings of the orphanage?

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FE, you are trying to tell us that the place where Garden was build, is a part of Ultimecias castle?

I remember a post where someone talks about the orphanage, In past is a complete, cute place, in present is a damaged place, and you then talk about the place where Ultimecia's castle is attached... If I'm right, there was a huge chain attached to ground and to the castle, if the castle is from the past, then wouldn't one part of the chain still in the ground, or in the surroundings of the orphanage?

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[sarcasm]The chain was metaphorical. It was binding the castle to that time period.[/sarcasm]

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[sarcasm]The chain was metaphorical. It was binding the castle to that time period.[/sarcasm]

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Good one :D

ok, so balamb garden has a time machine as FE says, but what about Galbadia and Trabia, perhpas Galbadia does but that is the most modern yet it was still able to fly. Trabia on the other hand did not fly away from the missles and got blown up. But Trabia was built in the mountains thus should be ancient, further moer have the flying controls, but maybe it was TOO OLD, and i think we would all agree that Balamb Garden is in the middle of Trabia and Galbadia having ancinet and modern technoolgy.

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I remember a post where someone talks about the orphanage, In past is a complete, cute place, in present is a damaged place, and you then talk about the place where Ultimecia's castle is attached... If I'm right, there was a huge chain attached to ground and to the castle, if the castle is from the past, then wouldn't one part of the chain still in the ground, or in the surroundings of the orphanage?

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Most nonsensical argument ever.

I thought Ulti would made the chain disappear for the purpose of not letting traces back for the sake of the Estharians.

Did you ever saw the James Bond film in which there is an evil journalist?

Compare this guy to Doctor Odine and many doors will be opened for you to understand FF8´s secrets.

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Tell me, if there were Propagator survivors, where on that little ship are they hiding so well from both the team and the CC members?

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On the same place lying on the ground pretending to be dead.

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Most nonsensical argument ever.

I thought Ulti would made the chain disappear for the purpose of not letting traces back for the sake of the Estharians.

Did you ever saw the James Bond film in which there is an evil journalist?

Compare this guy to Doctor Odine and many doors will be opened for you to understand FF8´s secrets.

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Come on, Estharians sake? Ultimecia only cared for herself!

I leave, I'm sick of this, I don't care I you want your own FF VIII world, but I will say something first:

We the players play the videogames for a joyfull moment (I do, I really don't care for others), we play the games to enjoy the characters, the history, the music, the gaming experience over all.

Every one builds his own videogame world, and have our own ideas of what really means a game, but I don't try to take others to my world, I just enjoy it.

Live your world, let me die in mine

Skyblade, Ryushikaze, Heero, see you in others threads.

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In fact, give any evidence at all supporting this idea.

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I'm still waiting for this

Maybe its all more compicated though, maybe odine "time traveled" with Laguana to the future and Odine got Ultimecia pregnant and she gave birth to Edea, Kiros, and Ward but the Space men tried to take them away so they went back to the past and dropped them all off in hopes that Ulti could reembody hereself in her daughter in hopes that they could get Ellone to take them all back to the past to have pancakes. This is the true story of FF8. I will follow the trend here of providing ZERO evidence from the game and tell you all that this is right

I have no Zero evidence.I have lots of it.
If I had none I would not post it.