1572,the year of FF8.

Your evidence has been only theories you have made yourself and pieces of information that is overly examined(you have a different meaning for it than the game actually has) and out of context. Many ppl here are getting tired of you not giving the evidence that you are obliged to give. You are sending bits of evidence that is not fully reasonable and are falsifiable through in-game evidence that we supply. FE, i would think over your strategy about this if I were you, but I'm not and it is your decision to do whatever.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I have no Zero evidence.I have lots of it.
If I had none I would not post it.

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Wrong. What you have is a big, lengthy explanation that tells us how your theory could be possible (a lot of it makes no sense, but that doesn't matter right now). Show us one thing in the game that actually indicates at all that your theory is true. Not possible, but actually true.

The picture of Edea,which looks like a Propagator,Zell´s picture inside Squall,the year gravings on Raine´s tomb,etc...

What have been happening is a little like this-

"Future Esthar,Show us that Fujin was on Galbadia Garden.There is no basis for that"

Future Esthar-Here it is.The screenshot were she asks about Seifer and Squall says he was dead.

"That is Ulti,not Fujin"
F.E-No,it is Fujin"

The only difference to this story is that I posted screenshots with "hard to note" details.

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a lot of it makes no sense

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It is impossible to make sence of my theories when one considers them independently.
To make sence of them a knowledge of the overall theory picture is needed.
And you seemed unable to do that.

No FE, now you are downgrading us. I will not tolerate that. You say that we have to look at your evidence independently, but you can't do that. If you look at it independently then you are seeing something that does not go with the game entirely. You are telling us to forget what the game says and to see what the evidence is without the knowledge of the game which is used to actually set the whole idea in the game. You can't look at it seperately. If you do then it is not looking at something that is included in the game. You need the knowledge in the game, all the information it tells you, to know what is fact and what is fiction and sir we have proven countless times that this evidence and these theories that you have been using and have stated true are in fact, fiction.

Also, your example of what is happening here is also a crock. Everyone knows that Fujin was on Galbadia Garden because you see her there many times. That is in-game proof. You, however, state things that, through in-game proof, are invalid, but you make it so hard on yourself that you give evidence that is very falsifiable. We do not have to do anything different, but it is you that needs to think things over and have a new approach on this.

The examining of evidence in isolation from context is not an examination of evidence at all.

Ok, now this is personal

You're telling us that

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It is impossible to make sence of my theories when one considers them independently.
To make sence of them a knowledge of the overall theory picture is needed.
And you seemed unable to do that.

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We have been considering them in the overall

Edea don't looks like a Propagator, it is a magical-infused transformation, made for get a complete analisis of where the characters are in the city, because of that, she already knowed of the presence of the team, and of Irvine trying to shoot her

The supposed scan where Zell is in Squall, is just the starting of the laser-based scan of the robot to get Squall actual position and his destination, and when the laser started, it gets like a white point over Squall's head, and we already tell you that there miss the prominent Zell's hair style

The year is just a messed up number used in any game to make it see like its real, you have seen the posters or the comics used in some games? from far it looks like real text, but when you aproach them, the text are only points put in different order, or real text with messed up letters, just like if I write "siioaorqwer", and from far it looks like real text.

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"Future Esthar,Show us that Fujin was on Galbadia Garden.There is no basis for that"

Future Esthar-Here it is.The screenshot were she asks about Seifer and Squall says he was dead.

"That is Ulti,not Fujin"
F.E-No,it is Fujin"

The only difference to this story is that I posted screenshots with "hard to note" details.

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Now you want to look like the martyr, when you really are the executioner?, don't make me laugh.

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It is impossible to make sence of my theories when one considers them independently.
To make sence of them a knowledge of the overall theory picture is needed.
And you seemed unable to do that.

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No one understood what I mean here.

I said the overall picture NOT of the game but of MY THEORIES.

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No FE, now you are downgrading us. I will not tolerate that. You say that we have to look at your evidence independently, but you can't do that. If you look at it independently then you are seeing something that does not go with the game entirely. You are telling us to forget what the game says and to see what the evidence is without the knowledge of the game which is used to actually set the whole idea in the game. You can't look at it seperately. If you do then it is not looking at something that is included in the game. You need the knowledge in the game, all the information it tells you, to know what is fact and what is fiction and sir we have proven countless times that this evidence and these theories that you have been using and have stated true are in fact, fiction.

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Look at the text again.I said the exactly opposite of what you think I said.

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Also, your example of what is happening here is also a crock. Everyone knows that Fujin was on Galbadia Garden because you see her there many times. That is in-game proof. You, however, state things that, through in-game proof, are invalid, but you make it so hard on yourself that you give evidence that is very falsifiable. We do not have to do anything different, but it is you that needs to think things over and have a new approach on this.

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It is nonsensical because the picture is too clear.
But in my screenshots they aren´t so the example goes well.Got the idea?

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No one understood what I mean here.

I said the overall picture NOT of the game but of MY THEORIES.

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We cannot see only your theories, if we dod that, we where going to get out of a game.

We are talking of a complex game, not a complex theory, you cannot see only a theory if you don't see the context

FE, you are telling us to disregard the game when the theories are on the game itself. I know what you said so don't say i have the wrong idea. I wouldn't make a whole freaking paragraph on it. Yes, the picture is too obvious there, but that is the opposite of your theories.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

No one understood what I mean here.

I said the overall picture NOT of the game but of MY THEORIES.

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Unfortunately, Future Esthar, if the overall picture of your theories does not match the overall picture of the game, then your theories are incorrect. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

Unfortunately, Future Esthar, if the overall picture of your theories does not match the overall picture of the game, then your theories are incorrect. Sorry.

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agreed. Seriously though FE it would make for a good story if it had absolutely anything to do with what games story was about. And I'm sure you'll sit here and say it does but well....your wrong

But one can only see how my theories fit the game when one considers them all as a whole and the interactions between them.
It requires some intuition,analitical abilities and the ability to recognize patterns.And good memory.And the ability to handle great quantities of data at the same time.And some imagination of course.
I am not saying I mastered everything on the game.There are many things yet to discover.And I am open to the possibility that SOME of my theories could be wrong.But I think I am right in general.
It is not a question of prooving anything as per se.
It is not a surprise that only me and some other members can see these things.

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But one can only see how my theories fit the game when one considers them all as a whole and the interactions between them.
It requires some intuition,analitical abilities and the ability to recognize patterns.And good memory.And the ability to handle great quantities of data at the same time.And some imagination of course.
It is not a surprise that only me and some other members can see these things.

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Now you're downgrading us, we see the theories in a whole, and also we try to fit it in the game, and there is not relation, also, you're not open, that's the reason you are arguin'us

FE, i will have to warn you if you do not stop with these direct attacks on us making us seem inferior. We have seen these as a whole, all of your theories are practically connected as one theory is an answer or proof to another and so on and so forth, but you need the game and the knowledge in it to see them as true or false.

I think that I have said this more than once already in this thread. No one is twisting your arms to come in here. Why is all this proof so important to you all? You're obviously not going to get what you seek for so instead of repeatedly asking for it, why not just forget about it and go on to something else...in another thread.