Good games that you hate.

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Originally Posted by DK

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

[FFX's system sucks, it has no strategy beyond "let's see if I can switch everyone out in time to kill every enemy type so I don't get hit. Well I'll be damned I can and it only involves adding three more steps to the most tedious part of JRPGs which is random encounters" :jess: Yeah Square, that was smart, let's make the most tedious part of the game longer and easy.

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It always amuses me when people have a whinge about game developers giving players more options on how to play a game. There's not a single part of the game that tells you "this is what you have to do, this is how you have to battle." You can do it however you want to do it. I don't get why it suddenly becomes a bad thing if there are more options to take.

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Actually FFX does pretty much give you a tutorial on how the combat system should work and pretty much does tell you "this is how we want you to play the game". Even until a quarter of the way into the game, some of your party members are still ineffective on enemy types they weren't designed to stop, and trying to waste turns letting Yuna smack a monster with her wand when Auron can kill it in one hit seems more like being stupid rather than "thinking outside the box". Granted, Lulu can pretty much work on most of the monsters and Yuna's summons can destroy everything that is not from the Monster Arena but its still not changing the fact I can decimate a group of monsters in a single round. The only time the game really starts to drop this BS is when they finally start to give you large monsters you're meant to use summons on and I simply fight them normally cause they are not that hard. Even then sadly, the game now just plays like a non-ATB version of the old games, so the best part of the game is when it emulates games that are ten years older than it.

Often times challenges in the game were created by me (like the one I mentioned, about going through fights without letting the enemy get a turn) cause the game could not offer any, and to me, that is not "freedom of choice" rather its poor game design cause I have to bring my own entertainment. I've fought the bosses fair and I've also destroyed them by just entering the fights with every Overdrive at the ready. I never felt that either was terribly more enjoyable than the other, more like one was incredibly faster and required less effort than the other option and it irritates me to know I can simply do that and win.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

Chelsea vs. Manchester United. >=(
Liverpool vs. Manchester United. >=(

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I'd say Everton vs. Anyone but I'm not sure many people would say that that's a good game :p

Good games that I hate? I never really understood the love of Farcry. I'll admit that I've only played the multiplayer, but I just didn't really enjoy it. I realise that the Halo series isn't superb, but at least I found them enjoyable to play.

In order for me to answer this, I'd first be required to know what constitutes a solid game. I am only capable at this point of guessing what's what.

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Originally Posted by Flying Arrow

-Psychonauts: I'll admit it. I hate this game. It's creative and adorable and all that, but it plays like absolute trash. I have the PS2 version but I'm willing to bet that the others are just as obnoxious. This probably shouldn't be on this list, but since a lot of people like it I figured I'd include it.

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I love Okami if only because I find Amaterasu adorable as a plush toy. Susano reminds me of Hercule from Dragon Ball Z.

I liked Psychonauts enough to finish it, but I hated trying to collect those head-doodle things (lingering thoughts?), I turned to a strategy guide and even it couldn't help me.

I hate Gran Turismo after a point. I'll drive, but once the more serious competitions start opening up, the computer starts to run you over. I raced on a track on a high difficulty setting about 4 or 5 times. What irked me was that I took First Place the first two times, but from then on, there was this ridiculously fast vehicle on the track that always left me in the dust. WTF is that!?

I don't really have a lot of hated games that were solidly engineered unless their random difficulty particularly PO'ed me. If you count Dino Crisis or the first RE game as solid then, yeah, I hated those. The premise of Armored Core always appealed to me, but the game never could. The Beast Wars fighter, but I guess that was a horrendous attempt at a video game to begin with. I kind of liked Bio FREAKS, but it had a tendency to raise my blood pressure. Bloody Roar seems like a well-put-together game, but I never even bothered to try it. That's how corny the concept is to me. Samurai Warrior Musashi seems well-off... but I heard the first game was actually good.
Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter for the fact that it's such a departure from the original series is both a positive and negative point, but I hated the way you were required to play the game in order to succeed. I never even figured it out until after I'd given up on it and read about it years later.
Crash Bandicoot if only because I'd long since grown out of the love of scrolling games by the time this was released.
Dance Dance games because you're not actually dancing. Even newer groove games don't require actual dancing but just make you look stupid and require you to surround yourself with a bunch of drunken friends so y'all can make fun of each other.
Danger Girl... mostly because I'd heard so much about it, but I never saw it anywhere and never got to play it to make my own opinion about it.
Dead or Alive. Not the game itself, just a lot of the fighting system irks me.
I tried to give Ehrgeiz the benefit of the doubt, but it just isn't worth it.

Call of Duty Black Ops, the game has sold so many units it's not even funny any more. The game got so much critical acclaim it was ridiculous but the fact of the matter is the game was really a pile of crap.

Modern Warfare 2 was often criticized for an unbelievable storyline involving the detonation of nuclear missiles over US soil, the invasion of America, the massacre of civilians at a Russian airport leading to this invasion and the whole damn thing being pinned on the USA because of an undercover CIA agent gets caught. Ok so that was pretty stupid at times but Black Ops takes the piss completely:

A single special forces soldier is somehow captured in Cuba in the 50s he then manages to break free of the russian prison camp he's put in at some point in the 60s. By the 70s he's fighting in 'Nam Then in the 80s? He saves America from chemical weapons and his own brainwashed self in what can only be called the most "Team America" statement possible in such a game. Aside from the fact that even if he was 17 and somehow in the special forces during Cuba (a fact that is unlikely, the average special forces soldier is in their 30s if not their 40s) if we say that the games story ended up in 85 and the game story started in 56 he would be around 46 come the end of the game, it's a story spanning 29 years. If he was like most special forces soldiers actually around 30 in the first game he's bordering on 60 before the end. Even better his nemesis in the game is around 40 when he encounters him in Castro's Cuba in the 50s he'll be about 70 - 80 when the game draws to it's inevitable conclusion. Now I don't see a bunch of geriatrics managing to do all the things they do in this game.

Then I can criticize the weapons. Ok so Treyarch wanted to include weapons we were familiar with and yet have some authenticity, I applauded the inclusion of the AK74u, I applauded the inclusion of the M-16 these are all time specific and are great guns but when we look to the FAMAS rifle that gun as far as I am aware did not get made until 2001 15 - 20 years after the ending of the game. Whoops Treyarch put a gun in the game set 20 years prior to it's invention and well not only that where in Modern Warfare 2 the FAMAS was a 3 round burst gun famous for it's precision in Black Ops the gun is a fully automatic gun which can chew through it's entire stock of ammo in around 4 seconds of sustained fire (this includes a sleight of hand reload)

Then we get to the controls, Modern Warfare had some dumb moments, lets not even go there but Black Ops has had worse the controls somehow for a game built on the same engine as some of the Modern Warfare games feels loose it feels like Julian's mom after I've been going at it for an hour so if you've ever experienced those sloppy seconds then you know what to expect. I didn't expect the controls to feel lose after such a tightly tuned game in MW2.

Multiplayer, well lets see I have never believed either COD developer to make a particularly good multiplayer function. MW2 was kinda fun in how it rewarded you for progression with new weapons and rewarded you for using pieces of equipment on them with improved or new equipment, want a thermal scope? Earn it, get 60 kills through the ACOG first show us how bad you want it. Black Ops went for the "we're gonna unlock guns based on your level but you get to buy it with money you earned just leveling up and doing contracts of which you can do 3 at once and most are piss easy" So really there was little need to rank up and once you unlocked the AK74u (a mid range smg) you never really needed another SMG. The AK74u fires like an assault rifle, put a grip on it to curb the recoil and you can literally run through the multiplayer just using this weapon. I've got around 11000 COD cash because buying new weapons is pretty pointless unless I want the commando assault rifle. I think that the progression and "armoury" of the Black Ops game was ill thought out the fact that it takes nothing to choose what attachments to take for a gun save "do I have enough COD points yet?" means I have little incentive to buy a bigger gun when my current gun is possibly the best one in the entire game (wanna see how broken it is? When playing a MP team death match game type, check just how many of the people when they die drop one of 3 guns: Famas, Commando or the AK74u pretty much 90% of people use these 3 guns). Moving on from the progression system we come to a major flaw in the game the hit boxes on opponents. Sure we don't complain when the hit box allows us to be shooting someone and killing them without actually hitting them, especially if it's our game winning kill but seriously? The hit boxes are about 5ft square when your person is 2ft square. Then there's the considerable lack of skill it takes to get kills. I'm not kidding you Halo requires so much skill compared to the Call of Duty series. The rhythm needed to place DMR shots perfectly for a 5 bullet kill for example, difficult to master, easy to learn. Call of Duty hasn't got that it's just a case of who has the bigger gun or the drop. Likewise I have seen videos and been in frays in Halo, especially on Halo Reach where 2 people or more have gone after someone alone and the lone spartan/elite comes out on top against them through sheer skill and a little luck. In Call of Duty if 2 enemies see you and you see 2 enemies, you die no matter what. Sometimes you'll kill one of them if you're lucky but whatever you try unless you've got a grenade launcher a bit of space and a lot of smurfing luck you're dead. Simples. Kill streak rewards are another gripe theres very little bonus to a death streak reward, maybe you'll drop a grenade on death but then the grenade will blow up harmlessly behind someone unless they stood around to bag (great tea bag prevention there) which would have been pointless since kill cam prevents them from seeing you desecrating their bodies. However get 3 kills and you get the chance to know constantly for a limited time just where the enemies are, get 5 kills and the game gives a crate which can randomly give you: ammo or ANY kill streak reward possible in the game in MW2 this included nukes lol. 9 kills and suddenly you find yourself gunning down opponents with a Vulcan cannon from the side of a huey over the battlefield, the huey is far more effective at dodging the RPG shots than a Cobra or Apache above the battlefield. 15 kill streak and they give you a pack of dogs, the dogs are independent and run amok killing enemies until they're dead or they're tired. I've seen games end because someone got dogs whilst his teammate worked on getting a huey or got one from a dropped crate at the same time. Spawn - killed by chopper, spawn inside - killed by dog or by chopper shooting through wall depending on the level. The game actively supports and encourages a one sided crushing defeat instead of a close game that both teams can actively enjoy.

Over all I think Black Ops in particular though the Call of Duty franchise completely is overrated by most modern gamers on the PS3 it could well be one of the best if only FPS games you play mostly because if you don't happen to like Killzone there isn't much of a good choice out there on there, (though I would suggest Battlefield or even Home Front as an alternative) On the 360 however to be playing Call of Duty and claiming it's far superior to Halo when Bungie have time and time again proven to make masterful multi player game experiences is sheer madness, Call of Duty Black Ops takes no skill, is very little fun if you're on the losing side of it and storyline wise somehow manages to be :bou::bou::bou::bou:tier than Halo Reach to boot.

Is Call of Duty Black Ops a good game? It's legion of fans and the critics seem to think so. Do I like it? I sat there with Quin playing last night and all night all both of us could say was "this is so :bou::bou::bou::bou:, why are we playing this crap? I don't know why we're doing this..."

I'm a critic and I think it's utter :bou::bou::bou::bou:. Reviewers from the big gaming sites who get paid by the advertisers to review the advertiser's games don't qualify as critics.

I read like half of that smurfing post and got winded. Wtf, Steve?

Also, your mum says hi.

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Originally Posted by Iceglow

but when we look to the FAMAS rifle that gun as far as I am aware did not get made until 2001 15 - 20 years after the ending of the game.

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The FAMAS has actually been in official service with the French since 1978. Involving someones mom in your statement hurts it's credibility somewhat btw.

Other than that, what surprises me is that the intensity of hate for a game seems to be directly proportional to it's popularity. CoD games being fine examples of this phenomenon.

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Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod

I read like half of that smurfing post and got winded. Wtf, Steve?

Also, your mum says hi.

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Don't even start like I didn't just wreck your mother, if you've played Black Ops you'd know just how loose she is.

As for WTF, I really get fed up with Black Ops, it makes me question time and time again why I own it or any of the Call Of Duty games and why I know already that at some point I will buy Modern Warfare 3 later this year. Activision are seriously killing my soul little by little everytime they promise something ground breaking and new and yet manage to serve up either something merely decent or yet another plate of disappointment...bit like the plate of disappointment that is your mother in bed, she's far inferior to Quin's even if Quin's mom did give me a Chlamydia scare filthy bitch.

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Originally Posted by Pete for President

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Originally Posted by Iceglow

but when we look to the FAMAS rifle that gun as far as I am aware did not get made until 2001 15 - 20 years after the ending of the game.

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The FAMAS has actually been in official service with the French since 1978. Involving someones mom in your statement hurts it's credibility somewhat btw.

Other than that, what surprises me is that the intensity of hate for a game seems to be directly proportional to it's popularity. CoD games being fine examples of this phenomenon.

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Oh, ok my bad about the FAMAS I was going on 3rd party information here, so wasn't 100% sure. Involving Julian's mom is a time honoured tradition in my posts and in this forum, just ask Psychotic about such events. But cheers for the clarification on the FAMAS there.

I agree theres a lot of hate for the game probably because the fans of the series claim so much has been revolutionized by COD and that every entry is so variably different when reality wise theres very little change between the new entries and the old. I will say any changes I have noted between say Modern Warfare and Modern Warfare 2 have for the most part (with exception of the story writer lol) both made by the same studio are for the better, the way you can custom load out even for split screen ect is good. It's not however completely changing and it's not revolutionary either. Though at the same point in time I do understand the whole "If it aint broke..." comment but don't claim that you have changed it when you haven't. Where on the other hand someone who played Halo 1 on the original Xbox might now pick up Halo Reach, recognize it's a Halo game but will think "Whoa, this is completely different from the Halo I know. What the hell is this Armour Lock thing?" Hell even someone who played Halo 3 and then picked up Reach at first said "Whoa this is Halo yes, there are definitely things Halo in this but it's very different." I played 3 recently again for a bit at a friends and frankly I found it difficult to play because Reach has changed Halo so much for me.

Blow me, Steve.

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Originally Posted by Pete for President

Involving someones mom in your statement hurts it's credibility somewhat btw.

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It's a post on the internet about a video game; this is not a Presidential debate.

Bad Company 2 > Black Ops

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Originally Posted by Bert

Bad Company 2 > Black Ops

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For a second I'll agree with you. Then I'll notice your edit to my sig *snip*.

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Let's leave everyone's mums out of this and other graphic details.

I'm shocked i haven't seen God of War in here. I can't speak for the third game, but after years of supposed action game dominance, i finally got around to picking up the 1+2 collection for PS3. Lame. I dunno, for a hack and slasher it seemed incredibly laggy to me, bordering on unresponsive. I would get to mashing on some random enemy, then notice something charging at my face, and be totally unable to stop pre-rendered asswhoopery in time to dodge the obvious attack. It just felt... broken. It makes me sad, cuz now i'm out $40 AND there are three games i was excited about that i am now totally unenthused with.

Assassins creed bloodlines.
I'm sure some people love it, but I hate it. The whole game is around 4 hours long, and the last boss takes away everything you know about fighting by charging at you doing 5 hit combos that are unblockable and blocking most of your attacks.