When one has lost the debate, the next best thing is to randomly fling insults with no basis, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
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When one has lost the debate, the next best thing is to randomly fling insults with no basis, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
Ok heres the thing..if there wasnt guns and weapons out there for whackos to potentially kill you, do you think many of the people that own it for defense, would even ever touch a gun?
Could people not just lock their doors at night, and maybe invest in making their home secure from intruders if they're that paranoid? If the criminal can't enter, wouldn't that remove the need for a gun to protect your home? Isn't prevention better than cure?
And I actually think having a gun would increase your chance of death if an armed intruder were to enter your house. Picture this. You hear a robber downstairs and decide to get your gun. You cautiously go downstairs with your gun to "defend" you and your property. The robber sees you first, BANG! Hard luck, you're dead. Only because the intruder feared for his own life when he saw that you had a gun. Maybe next time you'll let them just take the TV, instead of the TV and your life. Oh wait, that's right. There's not going to be a next time...
Guns are instruments of death. In a stand off between two people equipped with the things, someone is going to get seriously hurt. You're effectively playing a game of Russian Roulette with an armed robber when you decide to bring another gun into the situation.
So, why can't we just make sure to lock all our windows and doors at night, and if need be, buy some things (like better or more locks, alarms) to ensure our house's are virtually intruder-proof? It wouldn't be that hard. Is that not a better step to take to ensure our, our family's and our posessions safety?
A gun costs what.. couple hundred at most? I think some in my area are 50-60$. Security system, secure locks, plus strong infastructure, and shatter proof windows will equal a lot more then 50-60$ more then even a few hundred.
People don't always have that type of cash laying around. Sometimes it is all you got to buy a gun to defend yourself.
Anyways you NEVER go to your opponent unless you know you can win, else you let them come to you.
Also my house is extremely creaky... so I would know where the person was just by the sound the house was making. And guess what.. I know the way around the house without making noise. Also if you really wanna be tricky and you got a hand gun. Conceal the hand gun and a knife(in an easy to reach location) if you can. then get a bat or whatever and go look around. If he spots ya, he won't see a gun. So he will do whatever. The moment you get the chance you can shoot him.. or you can bide your time.
Also the only reason you should go outside your room when there is an intruder is to get to a phone to call the police(dunno bout you guys but I only got one phone and it is in the dinning room).
And for you wise ones who asks what if he feels you down to find any concealed weapons. Guess what he just did? The worst thing you can do is come within grappling range(unless you got a partner to back you up.. then it doesnt' matter).
Also Chess most of those prevenitives are easy to get around if you have any knowledge what so ever. Just about the only thing I couldn't get past was a really really good security system. Then again if I was going to target a house wiht one I would make sure to learn how to disable it.
If it was that simple to just seal everything up and have 100% no robbers, i wont own a gun D:
Actually, there are pistols (the Magnum Research BFR comes to mind) that can group 10 shots in a 1.5" group at 100 yards and have enough power to drop an American Bison at full charge (mainly due to the fact that it's chambered in .45-70 GOVT, one of the old Buffalo gun calibres). The muzzleoading .45 caliber Bird Head Kentucky pistol my dad made (and which I now own) has been proven to be able to hit rabbit-sized targets at about 50 yards (and trust me, a 150 grain .45 caliber round ball backed with 50 grains of FFg has more than enough whallop to take down small and even medium-sized game at 50 yards), and due to the amount of brush in the woods and rabbit hunting areas where I live, 50 yards will be about your longest shot. Heck, even my Remington Army Revolver with its 8" barrel and .45 Long Colt cartridges hand-loaded with a .255 grain cast lead bullet propelled with 30 grains of FFg Tripple 7 (a new black powder substitute available from Hodgdon) should be able to put a fairly decent group in at 50 yards (although I need to go to the ol' target range to test this one out). Besides, pistols can also be used for various target shooting competitions, which are fun and enjoyable in and of themselves... Especially the historically based ones, and anyone here is more than welcome to come to the annual Ft. Loudon Frontier Days French and Indian War re-enactment & black powder rendezvous to see what I mean. Oh, and I happen to be a member of another branch of the Mennonite church (the Bretheren), which happens to be what the Amish split off of as well, and I can tell you for a fact that there is nothing about pistols in any of our church regulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
If someone commits a crime, in my book they've already shown that they're willing to go against all rules, and therefore should accept the consequences of their actions. In oh-so-perfect Europe, police may be able to arrive within 5 minutes of a distress call, but I live in America, and the nearest town with any kind of police department is 7 miles away. Due to the sheer twistiness of the roads between said town and my house, it would take at least 15-20 minutes for the police to arrive. By then, I'd most likely be murdered or robbed, which I do not feel is worth it. I already worked hard and paid my dues for my freedoms, and I'm not letting any parasitic criminal scumbag take what's mine. If they're lucky, I won't use any of the rifle or my shotgun. My family may be rather poor and we might not have a whole lot, but I will protect what my family worked their fingers to the bone for.Quote:
people would a shoot a man over dignity? the death of a human being for that? a humam life is not what it achieves, not the riches it brings, not the social security number. it is a living breathing human being no more no less.
Since this statement comes from a society that allows nudity on broadcast television, tied a bible to the tail of an ass that was driven out of Paris, legalized Marijuanna as well as just about every other drug, and has legalized prostitution, I'd say that this is the depth of hypocrasy.Quote:
perhaps guns in america wouldn't be such a problem if it had a bbter society but it doesn't. it is greedy society in a nation of plenty. it is an aggressive society in a time of peace. it is a hateful society in a nation that supports justice. it is the worst society in the western world and that is the sole cause of it's crime rate, it's murder rate. adding the freedom to own a weapon to kill someone just exagerate a society which is flawed, dead and rotten.
:lol: What's next? Outlaw hands and feet, since, with a little bit of training one can easily kill someone with those as well. I'd rather die than be forced to live in a country as repressive as that. ....And I'd bet $50 (US) that this stupid law has absolutely NO effect on crime whatsoever (just like the oh-so-effective British Gun Ban; thankfully the American public isn't stupid enough to vote for anyone who supports this kind of rubbish).Quote:
on another note in light of recent rise in knife crime the government has banned the purchase and holding of all non cooking knifes. so stuff like machettees are now illegal, big pointy nasty things that you wouldn't be slicing your meat with all that kind of stuff is banned. they have no place int he home and have no purpose. there is no reason to have one and the government has seen this. the same should stand for guns.
Although I probably disagree with his statement (I haven't taken it upon myself to actually read it, or anything. :p) I don't see what the problem is with all of that stuff (except for the Bible thing). I see no problem with legalizing most of these things. It seems oppressive to illegalize them.Quote:
Since this statement comes from a society that allows nudity on broadcast television, tied a bible to the tail of an ass that was driven out of Paris, legalized Marijuanna as well as just about every other drug, and has legalized prostitution, I'd say that this is the depth of hypocrasy.
I live in a country where if you walked down the main street of my town street with a gun in your hand and you were not a member of the police/military or some other law enforcement - people would think your crazy. I mean it - we'd think you were about to shoot us or their was a massacre about to occur. That is unless you were a farmer/lived out bush etc and were going to shoot some roo's/rabbits/foxes or any other acceptable things like that.
So - I think firearms should stay with the police/military/law enforcement only unless you had a approved permit and a acceptable explanation.
I don't know if I just made sense - but I hope you get my point. I like the fact I grew up and each time I go out I don't even think about getting shot.
- The most nudity you'll ever see on public television here is for soap commercials. They like to show a naked young woman's back and suggest things, it sells to the average male population. Otherwise it's movie nudity, which you'll get anywhere (e.g. James Bond movies).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hikaro Takayama
- Dunno about the Bible thing. Care to find an article about it for me? I'm interested, you see, I live in Paris, and never heard about it.
- Marijuana: It's illegal in my country, and in fact in most of the EU. The Netherlands and as far as I know maybe two other countries legalized it.
- Prostitution: while the act in itself isn't illegal, standing in the streets to find a "client" has been illegal for over a year now. Dunno about the rest of the EU.
Sounds quite oppressive to me. >=|Quote:
Originally Posted by Endless
come on there is sex on tv... the porn channels, late night programs, certain films, educational programs where such things are necessary, things that are past the watershed can have them. of course not a single piece of nudity has ever been on american tv...........
the marijuna and prostitution thing only applies to one city in the whole of europe; amsterdam. not my country, not france, not switzerland, not sweden, not germany. not even holland. it is one city in holland. do not judge the whole of europe by one (successful) experiment within it. and not other drug (except mushrooms in amsterdam as well) are legal. that's right no heroine, no e, no crack, no amphetimines. no
to say american society is the reason for it's gun crime is not debatable. it is the one unique thing about america. canada, sweden, switzerland have huge levels of gun ownership, switzerland i believe is above america. so it is not the guns that are the problem there. the swiss can handle having an assualt rifle under their bed and don't have the habit of shooting each other. so if it's not the guns it's the people. and the society creates the people. it is the one unique thing about america and so must be the reason why it has a huge crime rate.
it's not a baseless argument. it's showing that one uniqueity has caused another.
no Hikaro Takayama they will not ban limbs. limbs are necessary. kitchen knifes are necessary. guns and bloody big machetes, samurai swords, big stabby slicy weapons not for cutting up steaks are not really necessary. same with baseball bats with nails in them, maces, knuckle dusters and flick knifes.
Yes, finally, you bring up a good place to start bashing America. Censorship isn't fully destroyed yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
That's a shame. Drugs should be legal the world over.Quote:
the marijuna and prostitution thing only applies to one city in the whole of europe; amsterdam. not my country, not france, not switzerland, not sweden, not germany. not even holland. it is one city in holland. do not judge the whole of europe by one (successful) experiment within it. and not other drug (except mushrooms in amsterdam as well) are legal. that's right no heroine, no e, no crack, no amphetimines. no
You know, I want to clear something up for some of our foreign guests.Quote:
to say american society is the reason for it's gun crime is not debatable. it is the one unique thing about america. canada, sweden, switzerland have huge levels of gun ownership, switzerland i believe is above america. so it is not the guns that are the problem there. the swiss can handle having an assualt rifle under their bed and don't have the habit of shooting each other. so if it's not the guns it's the people. and the society creates the people. it is the one unique thing about america and so must be the reason why it has a huge crime rate.
I'm an American. I live in a city. I have never, ever seen a gunfight. I've never seen someone be shot in the head. We aren't allowed to run around the streets proudly displaying our gun. I don't know what the hell people think America is (some sort of Old West scenario?), but it's certainly not a gun expo 24-7.
What has?Quote:
it's not a baseless argument. it's showing that one uniqueity has caused another.
I'll end the argument as I almost always do: who in the hell are you to determine what is necessary?Quote:
no Hikaro Takayama they will not ban limbs. limbs are necessary. kitchen knifes are necessary. guns and bloody big machetes, samurai swords, big stabby slicy weapons not for cutting up steaks are not really necessary. same with baseball bats with nails in them, maces, knuckle dusters and flick knifes.
people don't believe america is the wild west of old. but it has a huge gun crime rate compared to anywhere else in the world. that's just fact. there are more gun crimes per head of population in america than anywhere else. even places with more guns per person have less gun murders and crime. so it is not the guns that are the problem it is the society and people.
the uniqueity's i talked of was american society and it's high gun crime rate.
necessity is common sense. can you give me a reason for anyone owning a machete? for getting through the rain forest at the back of his garden? skinner knifes? bowie knifes? curved hunting knifes?*cough* (yeah because some ned in glasgow is use that for it's real use). and "cos it looks pretty on my wall" is not a necessity.
Watch what you're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
There are lot of things we don't "need". I propose that personal computers are a selfish indulgence and we should do away with them because they destroy Mother Nature. Television promotes obesity (or, in the words of our very own JayTodaP, "obiesety") and therefore, for the good of the people, we should be forced to leave our homes rather than watch what we want (freedom is slavery, after all!). Food products made in a modern kitchen is a selfish luxury, because we could eat all manner of food that we grew ourselves - that's a necessity, and that's all that constitutes whether or not a choice is moral.
The moment that people in America want us to go back to only the bare necessities (i.e., go back to the hunter-gatherer lifestyle) is the moment I do leave America.
Thankfully, we haven't sunk that low, yet.
Living in a country with nudity on television must be truly horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hikaro Takayama
I don't understand why they all don't just flee to a country with only minor problems such as high murder rates.