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Perhaps bars, but a lot of pubs cater for families these days too, which brings back the issue of harming children with the smoke. I get what you're saying with it changing the atmosphere (whether that's a good thing or a bad thing could be debated), but I don't really think it's a reason to allow it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
First, bars are not for family fun and children. Maybe in daytime, but by day this places- at least in my country- are quite empty and dull, and there's really not much smoke at all. At night, however, yes, it is full of smoke. And the atmosphere is the whole point of a bar. Why do you go to a bar, because you enjoy paying twice the price for drinks you would pay in a supermarket? No, you go there because of the atmosphere, because it is a place for pleasure, not health, because you want to play pool and speak with your friends while sharing a few drinks and smoking some cigarrettes (or joints, that depends on you and your friends). A bar has to keep an enclosed atmosphere, it has to have heavy air, all of this is the whole point of those places. I don't know about the bars you visit, but the ones I go to are like that, they look heavy in everything, out of any minimalism, and generally with some feeling of decadence in there. And everyone smokes there, and enjoys the place. I can't see how a law can be passed for non smokers to be able to enter in the bar happily and try to turn it into some naturalist shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heath
Oh, yes, and asides from the image you may be having from me in this post, no, I do not smoke two Ducados boxes a day, in fact I barely smoke at all, just a cigarrette every now and then.
I wish in certain areas this would happen. BEcause nothing against smokers, but sometimes theres alot of em and it is kinda hard to breathe. Its just i like em to smoke maybe somewhere where it doesnt bother me instead of gathering in front of a store and smoking @_@; its like WOW damn..><
However i think the reason why we the US dont get this ban is because whether or not people will say, is that US relies on the tax on cigerettes and the people addicted to it. In the end they will keep taxing smokers, to gain more tax dollars for themselves, its great money. Thats why you always see multimllion dollar lawsuits, which make the cigarettes more expensive, which then the tax goes straight into the government. Its somewhat obvious i feel. As if the Kyoto treaty isnt enough to show that the US cares about money over most things.
EDIT: I am all for smoking and stuff in bars and certain adult pubs(theres family ones too). If there isnt then well whats the point? =/
I have to admit that I absolutely hate being around smokers most of the time. I don't mind social smoking, and I would do it myself if my boyfriend would let me (xP), but I freaking hate walking to class and having to walk past people smoking. No, I will not go all the way around the building to the other door. No, when I smoker is heading my way I will not quickly move thirty feet away. Smoke takes up a lot of air space and I don't appreciate having to walk through it or smell it or smell like it.
I guess I agree with Raistlin on this issue. I wish more places would make it a policy to keep smoking out off of their property without government involvement.
alloiwng smoking in bars does not protect their owners and employees.
A lot of you say that it should be up to the pub owners to disallow smoking in their establishments. This would do NOTHING, as by doing that their driving away clientelle, causing them to go to their competition down the street, where they allow smoking. Therefore NO pubs or bars would disallow smoking, because they would give bars who allow smoking an unfair advantage, and us non-smokers would still have to suffer that gross, disgusting toxic $hit those smokers blow into the air (which is INCREDIBALLY f#ckin' stupid).
Government intervention is the ONLY way to go. By doing this, smoking is automatically disallowed in ALL bars, creating a level playing field for all establishments who sell liquor. They even went as far as to even disallow smoking on bar patios/decks, as only certain places have decks, which would give them an unfair advantage over bars without decks/patios.
This is great, as smoking slowly KILLS YOU and those around you. I can't believe there are still relatively young people out there who do smoke. Its definitely one of the stupidiest actions/decisions you could make in your entire life. Therefore banning it in public establishments is a fabulous idea.
No, wait, are you saying non smoking bars would get no clients? If that is true, it's because people choose bars with smoke. If people really disliked smoke in the bars, then non smoker bars should have no problems, right? In fact, I believe letting the owner choose would be the best idea because there is a number of people who dislike smoke in bars. I don't know how many people actually dislike it, probably fewer than the ones who prefer it.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazybayman
NO! Smokers would no longer go to that place and if the smoker has friends who don't smoke that go with him then you lost some non-smokers also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
In your country maybe people prefer it but over here(at least in chicago) the number of "bars" keeps getting going down because people don't want that. They want an up scale drinking spot that you can take the family to. No dank, dark or gloomy bars filled with smoke.
When New York did this the bars lost tons of money because people who smoke would just go to new jersey bars where they could smoke while all the non-smokers stayed.
All this does is screw over the smokers. Most people who don't smoke avoid areas with smoke like a plauge.
there should be a) non-smoking and smoking bars and pubs or b) bars and pubs which have non-smoking and smoking areas. it is discrimination to ban smoking everywhere. this "free" world suddenly is now only a free world for non-smokers. i should be able to smoke anywhere where i am not bothering anyone. i should not be only allowed to smoke on my premises. i dont own my own premises which means basically i am not aloud to smoke period.
Exactly. This gives the "Smoking allowed bars an unfair advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
I've frequented bars for years, and the one thing I hate is the smoke. And if there is any non-smoker who likes a smokey bar, either they're lying, or there's something wrong. Its the same in America, I've been there. No non-smoker in their right mind would prefer a smokey bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
Then soon they will cut out smoking in New Jersey. Then the world becomes a healthier place, and all bars are on a level playing field.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
How is it screwing over smokers, when its helping them, because it is in their best interest to quit. And who cares if its unfair for smokers. I find it incredibally unfair to walk into a public establishment, and have smoke blown in my face.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
Most of all, it will make public places more appealing to the overwhelming majority of non-smokers. Its beyond me how educated people still take up such a stupid habit, when it kills you, its expensive, and harms the people around you. And yes non-smokers avoid smoke ridden places because it is UNHEALTHY, and disgusting. Or like you said, like a plague.
How is it helping people who enjoy smoking, by singling them out and making it harder for them to smoke?Quote:
Originally Posted by crazybayman
well i may like shooting up, snorting coke and doing weed, but that doesn't stop my government doing it's damn hardest to stop me. because it's bad for everyone. it's the same with smoking. i don't care if they enjoy it or not, it's bad for them and those around them any discouragement of this is a good thing.
Me thinks you listen to too much hype. Smoking is unhealthy to you and those around you. But no more than drinking, fast food, and driving. People need to get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
:laugh: Fast Food does not hurt the people around you. Driving hurts the people around you if you are unsafe. Drinking hurts the people around you if you do it excessivly and then actually hurt people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
Smoking is different. It hurts people just by them being there even if you only have a puff.
What the crap where you thinking when you typed that up there?
Because being around someone smoking does not cause "ACK!! Instant DEATH!!111" like people want to claim. Second hand smoke can cause you to die much sooner, but usually only in the cases of you spending ALL DAY, EVERYDAY with someone. Going into a bar for a couple of hours isn't gonna hurt you. Not to mention the fact that alot people that go to bars end up drunk. Hell, most places that were allowing smoking had designated "Smoking Areas", thus you were rarely near the people smoking. People need to stop waching all those "Truth" commercials, cause they are going to your heads.