Convicted sex offender legally buys house next to daycare

I've been reading this thread, and I must say that both sides raise valid points. Sure, the guy has molested children in the past. No, I don't agree that placing him near a day care center is a good thing at all. Legally, however, he has the right, or else he would be forced to move, as much as I disagree with that. Seeing as he's able to live there, one could argue that he's using a loophole in the law to do it again.

I'm glad GooeyToast brought up the fact that it's a big deal in the town, and in the local media. That would/could give the guy leverage against his doing it again, at least until it died down.

As to the moralily side of the debate: One of the things that frustrates me the most about American society is that some people get scared and jump to conclusions far too easily about stuff they see on the media. Yeah, bad stuff happens, but the world isn't a total poophole because of it, and not everyone is evil. When they see enough media stories about killers and whatnot, they get scared of other people in general, because they thing that criminals are so common that they must be absolutely everywhere. In this particular case, however, I agree that it's a valid reason for parents to be afraid. It's like bringing a psychopathic serial killer in a busy residence and letting him live completly unsupervised, people should be scared of that as it's a real, unimagined threat. If I was a parent, I'd be cautious of leaving a kid at the day care center.

I, however, don't think child molesting is on quite the same level as murder. Sure, the kids that are victims may suffer horrible phychological damage, but the basic life essence hasn't be taken away...they're still alive and breathing. The guy shouldn't be allowed to live near a large place for kids, but I don't think people should harass him or put any sort of signs on his door. I think the time he served is big enough punishment for him, and the people in that community should instead put their energies toward doing whatever is best for their children.

Lastly, I don't know any statistics...but I think that if a sex offender really wanted to change, he/she would. Saying that every one will repeat their offenses is a pretty broad generalization, I think.

Thank you Graves >< I agree entirely. I dont like him living near a daycare but it doesnt mean he didnt legally bought the house there.

Indeed. If what he's doing is legal and you don't want him to be doing it,
go to your representatives and make it illegal. If it's not made illegal, then
the majority of the population doesn't want it to be. If it is, then they do
and it'll work out.

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Originally Posted by Cloud No.9

there is no such thing as forefitting your human rights. under no circumstances can you lose them. they are not given by a law. they are not dictated. they are eteranal and unchanging. given to every human from birth to death.

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That's your opinion. And, mostly, mine. But I'm not quite that forgiving.

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Originally Posted by Cloud No.9

that is why the need rehabilitating. and actually i believe most are mentall ill and if so belong in a mental home not a jail. and without a sentence on them but treated until they are cured. they are ill not evil.

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But that isn't happening, which is 90% of my point. Say there was no cure for alcoholism. Would we be like "Oh well, have fun at the bar, boozer!" No, we wouldn't. And anyone who has a mental illness that puts children in danger should be kept far, far away from children.

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Originally Posted by Cloud No.9

because he seems to like the idea of mutilating, maiming and killing other human beings.

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But he hasn't done anything. I mean, Kishi talks all the time about little school girls but he hasn't raped any. Is he just as bad?

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Originally Posted by Cloud No.9

no he just wants to mutilate and maim people for life and kill them. that is why he is no higher. a man who seeks to do that to any other person has sunk to the lowest possible level.

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He hasn't done anything. We're talking about people who not only want to do unspeakable things, but have. And not for the sake of justice, as udsuna's misguided views are focused on, but for personal pleasure. There's a big fat line between wanting to cut a child molester's balls off and having raped a little girl.

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Originally Posted by Cloud No.9

then it does not deserve jail it requires treatment, rehabilitation, understanding and mercy. you cannot punish the sick.

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Even when we're sick we're still responsible for our actions. An alcoholic is still responsible for killing someone while driving drunk. A mother suffering from post partum psychosis is still responsible for having murdered her children. Yes, they need treatment, but there isn't any and I don't think a fair solution in the mean time is to just let them go and hope they don't molest any children.

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Originally Posted by Cloud No.9

but the condition forces the action.

the problem with letting pedophiles out of jail is they should have never been in jail. that is no way to treat/cure them. it deosn't have the right facilities to deal with these people. they should be treated as anyone else is who is a danger to themselves or others and is mentally ill.

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And if they seek help before committing the crime they will recieve mental help. Like I said earlier in this post, humans are always responsible for their actions no matter what their mental condition may be. And, especially with this "illness," the criminal does make a very clear and conscious choice in their actions.

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Originally Posted by Optium

Dear God that is one smurfed up book.

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I want to make it clear that I'm not condoning murder. Killing someone is a small step up from molesting children, but it is still a step up.

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Originally Posted by Optium

Also, I think I've heard the word statistics used in almost every single post recently, yet nobody's bothered to post any type of source or even quote really, except for one saying that there is treatment for sex offenders.

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I only know this information because it's part of my studies. I'll try to pick out some I think are important...

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Originally Posted by www.prevent-abuse-now.com

*Reported cases of child sexual abuse reached epidemic proportions, with a reported 322 percent increase from 1980 to 1990.

*The typical child sex offender molests an average of 117 children, most of who do not report the offence.

* In the adult retrosptective study, victimization was reported by 27 percent of the women and 16 percent of the men.

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I wasn't able to find any specific numbers on re-committing the crimes, just that they're likely to do so. Maybe I'll look harder later. People also neglect to realize that many sex offenders (around 40%) just get probation. That's it.

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Originally Posted by Fithos

i must agree with cloud no.9. these people dont need to be in jail, they should be in a hospital enviroment getting cured. just because a cure does not exist dosnt mean they woulnt find one.

where do you suggest they live.

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Where do you suggest they live? They've committed a crime, they've been punished, but there is no cure for their mental condition. Do you think your neighborhood is better than jail? Or that a mental facility where there still is no treatment is better than jail?

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Originally Posted by Fithos

did you ever think that something they take into consideration when molesting kids the second time is how people treat them. i mean if they are being accused of a crime they might as well be doing it.

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There. Is. No. Excuse. For. Molesting. Children. None. Not even kinda.

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Originally Posted by Fithos

i dont personoly think that sex offenders think when they do that. its a subconcios act of which some of them probably have little to no controll.

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Well that's just plain not true. From that link I posted ealier in this post, more than half lull their victim into a sense of at least near comfort through seduction. It's a very calculated process. I can't believe you're trying to defend such blatanly deliberate actions. There is no such thing as accidently raping a little girl.

To Graves (without making this post longer by quoting your whole post): I really, really don't think you know a thing about this topic. And I'm not saying that to be a jerk or put you down, but you don't seem to have a concept of how wide-spread this problem is. Over 1/4th of all girls in the US will be sexually abused in their lifetime, as well as a large number of boys (what was it? 1/6th or something?). The psychological effects last their entire lives and can, and often do, completely ruin their lives. Many will tell you they would rather have died. And the age of the child doesn't matter; it effects children of all ages. I really don't want to go into the effects, it's a long and depressing list, but please don't minimize the effects of possibly the most horrid thing anyone could do to a person.

And it is a pretty big problem just population-wise. Than National Sex Offender Registry reporst over 491,720 registered sex offenders living in the US. And 95% of victims know their abuser.

It's just bizzare to me how so many people in this thread seem to think child molestation isn't just the worst thing ever. xP

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

Over 1/4th of all girls in the US will be sexually abused in their lifetime, as well as a large number of boys (what was it? 1/6th or something?). The psychological effects last their entire lives and can, and often do, completely ruin their lives. Many will tell you they would rather have died.

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I think that was stated earlier, and I did read that. Also, while I understand that it can affect a person in many bad ways....I still think murder is a bigger deal to me. (Which, of course, you understand, I've never been molested, so you must understand how easy it is to say this. I guess.) I should look up this...list up sometime, though I don't think it'll affect my stance much.

Well my stance is basically that if you're murdered, you're dead. If you're raped/molested/whatever you're essentailly living in hell. It shatters everything about who you are, and the effects can possibly last your entire life if you don't get proper help for it. It effects every part of your life, while murder... kills you.

Now, mind you, murder totally sucks and is also a problem in the world, I just don't think it's as bad. And a lot of women agree with me. I saw a show once where a woman was being interviewed because she was about to be raped, and decided that if he was going to rape her he'd have to kill her first because she'd rather be dead than let that be done to her. So she kicked his ass.

Of course, sexual assault being worse than murder is a very subjective thing and it's hard to find any support on the topic, but I'm confident you'll find that the majority of people (or at least women, I don't know about the general male standpoint on the issue) is that they'd rather die than let that happen to them. I would.

Are you refering to the infamous MR BALDY?, If so are you Australian? and if so from where?

My opinion of this is: If the person in question truly wishes to repent for his sins then fine, nut they should be under intense scutiny.

And I agree that the person in question should not be moved into the path on temptation.

First off, I'm not going to argue any of this with any of you. I'm not here to debate the rights of molestors or of anyone, I simply want to reinforce what Amanda is saying.

I would rather have died. And I'd rather die now than ever experience it again. I was molested at 16 by my mother's boyfriend, and the damage it has done stems far beyond the damage to my body. That healed and went away. I was left with a fear of men and an inability to enjoy sexual contact from anyone.

Now, I'm sure this is nothing for most of you, and you'd rather risk it happening to countless other people in the interest that this man, this one man, can be happy and fruitful. That's fine. I'm not here to argue that.

Since the time I was 16 I've intensely feared all older men. I enlisted in the Army at 18, and consequently spent every day trembling in fear of these men who I knew could easily hurt me if they wanted to. Without consequence for them. I didnt sleep, I had horrid migraines, and I was miserable every single second of every day. So they sent me home.

I was soon living with my father, and that was the worst part of all. Because I feared him. My own father, who would gladly light himself on fire before ever doing anything to hurt me. I was scared of my own dad, and at that point I wanted to kill myself for it. You have no idea, any of you who have never been violated in such a way, what it's like. You never will. You'll never have any idea what it's like to fear someone you love and trust so much, when they've never even done anything to you.

I cant even properly articulate these thoughts, and I cant show any of you my emotions. It's something you wont ever understand, and I praise God for that. I dont want anyone else to understand. And I wouldnt risk any child, ever, to have to pass by the house of someone who would willingly defile them, their innocense and purity, and destroy their future happiness, for any reason.

If the rest of you are fine with letting a fox into a henhouse because he's been punished once, fine. If a right to live in a house, when there are hundreds of thousands of other homes to choose from, is higher than the right of a child to be safe and happy, then so be it. I wont argue with any of you. Because none of you will ever understand. None of you will understand until, God forbid, it happens to your own child someday. And then you can see how many people it effects, and watch the slow inner destruction of an innocent child.

It never goes away. It never stops effecting you. Ever. When the man you love touches you, it's there.

That's really all I have to say, and I doubt it made much sense, but whatever. That's all I have to say about it, and I know it wont make one whit of difference to most of you.

There are other houses to live in. If you think this is about someone's right to own property, you are wrong. He can own all the property he wants. Just not there.

Why does it have to be there? I believe in overcoming things, and I believe in redemption and human willpower, but I'll tell you this; if you're truly trying to overcome, you don't put the temptation in front of you. If you're an alcoholic you don't own a bar, if you're a herion addict you don't keep in touch with your dealers, and if you want to stop hurting children, you stay away from them.

If this were a case of a sex offender trying to move into a town and the town trying to cast him/her out, I would be on their side. This is a sex offender exploiting a legal loophole, and moving next to a school. That's it.

And stop it with the flaming.

Abominatrix, thank you for sharing that. Maybe now some people who read this will see what I've been trying to point at, but I dont think anyone could have said it better than you.

My sister was molested by our step-grandfather when she was only 7. None of you can understand how much physical and psychological damage this caused her. None of you, besides those who have had their lives affected by these sick people, can truly understand how this is.

I will never forget the day I found out that my baby sister was molested. I will never forget the anger I felt inside that this had happened. I wanted to scream at the top of my lungs, burn down buildings, drive 90 miles and hour into a brick wall, and beat the man to death with a baseball bat at the same time.

I will never forget having to jump on top of my dad to stop him from driving to my grandmothers house. I dont know what he would have done to the man once he got there, but I'm pretty sure that once he was done, he wouldnt be breathing.

I also will never forget my grandmother committing suicide because she felt that she was the one who brought that man into our lives.

Yeah, try and tell me that these sick bastards deserve a second chance. Try and tell me that they shouldnt be locked up in prison or asylums or under intense surveillence.

The gravity of a situation never really hits someone until they experience it themselves, but I pray to God that none of you will ever have to go through what any victims of molestation have to endure. To rob a child of their innocence is one of the worst things anyone can ever do.

no, he cant. as i stated erlier, their is a convicted sex offender in my neighborhood (no schools or anything around) and they are still trying to kick him out.

he will be treated the same werever he goes. i admit he probably shouldnt live near a daycare center but no matter where he goes people will treat him like a non-living organism.

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Originally Posted by Fithos

no, he cant. as i stated erlier, their is a convicted sex offender in my neighborhood (no schools or anything around) and they are still trying to kick him out.

he will be treated the same werever he goes. i admit he probably shouldnt live near a daycare center but no matter where he goes people will treat him like a non-living organism.

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I wish I could say I felt sympathetic.

sry tidus, i was posting while you were so i didnt see yours.

i agree that what they do is horrible. ther is no doubt about that. but their are other ways to protect children than force people to live in jail. once again i must insist that these people should be in a hospital. if you condemn them to live in jail, you condemn them to death. i agree that what they did is bad, and i wish/hope no one ever had/has to go through it, but while they are alive they have the potential to change. no they shouldnt be let near children, they probably shouldnt be let out of watchfull sight. but they are still human.

i dont think it is necesary to get the media invovled. alert the neighborhood and take any precaution that is felt necesary. but get the media invovled and then it becomes a worldwide alert fest. everyone who see's this will immedatly find out what happened and that has devistating effects on everyone.

the convicted one is a gimmie.

the victem will be put on display which will hurt them more.

everyone will stop trusting eachother.

take any precaution necesary.

I really don't have a stance...I just find it fascinating how society reacts to these kinds of things, so I ask questions just for the hell of getting answers.

I read up to where you [shlup] said this and skimmed the rest:

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Originally Posted by Shlup

Also, keep in mind that in the United States at least one in four females will be sexually abused

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I quote this because I find 'sexually abused' and 1/4 to be severely insane. Are you sure it's not fiction, ore perhaps more accurately, a very VERY general definition?

I mean 1/4 women will say, for argument's sake, be approached and have physical contact made which was unwarranted and unwanted, would be more believable.

I consider sexual abuse to be a more serious act, like attempted rape, pushing sexual activities too far, or just plain pedophilia like the topic of this thread.

(not to trivialise the annoyance women go through when they get molested in public -- having lived with two attractive women, I've had to sit there while they rant about such things after having gone through it)

Anywho my initial response was that they paid their dues, but if Shlupquack is accurate (though I will not grant her authority status just yet), then people should be cautious. Hell people should be cautious REGARDLESS, but right here we have a person who has previously committed crimes which we consider very serious.

Even further is the idea that we attribute negative judgement without reasonable cause. For example if I, my brother, and our friends were to parade around town in our 'goth gear', we'd get the same treatment despite acting in the exact same way that we would've had we worn 'normal' clothes. So that's another argument to support being wary.

I just received an idea for a thread. Huzzah.