So, what you're saying, is that simply because he disagrees with you he's a mindless drone, brainwashed by the government?Quote:
Originally Posted by FFGuevara
I could turn around and say the exact same thing to you, and it wouldn't make a lick of difference.
Please learn to argue better.
That's what I was thinking. Then we're all screwed because we all became the products of our countries, or whatever.
I don't remember learning crap in school about any of this, actually. (Feel free to complain about America's educational system, actually. I hate it.) What I learned on individualistic effort, the primacy of individual rights, and freedom over security I learned on my own.
And MILF isn't American, Guevara. He was educated by Nanny Welfare State Britain. I was educated by the fascist-capitalists. Get it straight.
So, I see that another facet of Communism is plagiarism. That bodes well for me, as I want to be a writer! =D!
See he worked because he had to not because he wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
If people want to work in factories under Communism then fine they can it's not my problem.
Because they know they can profit from it. They couldent during the cold war and guess what happened to a Communist then?Quote:
A capitalist society quite happily permits communist behaviour.
I"m talking about actual Anarchism, which has never been attempted.Quote:
Every attempt at it has been derailed by some faction or another taking power and killing many people, in some cases tens of millions. It might work itself (Though I doubt it.) but if it can't even be implemented how can one justify, at this time and with this species, attempting to implement it again?
How could the government had profitted from actual lassiez-faire use of their money? They wouldn't have been able to touch that. It's illegal in capitalism.
It's legal as long as you can profit from it, it's legal under Capitalism. Even if it's at the cost of others.Quote:
How could the government had profitted from actual lassiez-faire use of their money? They wouldn't have been able to touch that. It's illegal in capitalism.
The admins seriously need to start banning anyone with a Communist viewpoint. It is patently, categorically irrational and does not contribute at all to intelligent discussion on this or any other forum. THERE IS NO DEBATE ON THIS ISSUE. All there is is a bunch of rational individuals repeatedly owning the hell out of one very ignorant Communist; this is unproductive in the extreme, seeing as the book has long since been closed on Communism.
But they don't want to. Sweet merciful Stalin, what don't you get about this? How are our resources going to be refined, how are the refined resources going to be processed? How does anything get made?Quote:
Originally Posted by FFGuevara
Yes it has. It was the default state of our prehistoric societies, before we even formulated the concept of any other form of government. Tribalism, you say? Yes, that's what anarchy will lead to. Anarchy proves itself flawed because it was the form of governence which we evolved away from the day we were able to formulate other theories of governance.Quote:
I"m talking about actual Anarchism, which has never been attempted.
I'm starting to think you're not actually a die-hard communist, you're actually a troll. To whit, I'm done.Quote:
It's legal as long as you can profit from it, it's legal under Capitalism. Even if it's at the cost of others.
Just as a side point. I know many people who absolutely adore work in factories. Heck even I don't mind it. Can be quite fun from time to time. My dad has actually doesn't have to work at the factory as he does. He has been offered time and time again to become higher up. But he doesn't like sitting all day. He likes to go in and work in the factory. He likes it. There ARE people who would want to work in a factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
Maybe not as many as we currently have working in factories... But I am sure communists would say that without money there wouldn't be that a need for quite as many products... so it would even out. Or some such.
As a note I am not in one of my 'defend what communist does have good' days.. so don't expect that.
And you are a Fascist. Your always attacking Communism for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by ?????
If this is none productive then dont post here.
If Communism was dead as you claimed it is then why are you debating with me?
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I'm starting to think you're not actually a die-hard communist, you're actually a troll. To whit, I'm done.
Nope doesnt fit my behavior on this forum at all.Quote:
troll
1a. Noun
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
1b. Noun
A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect.
A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.
1c. Noun
A member of an internet forum who continually harangues and harasses others. Someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them. Trolls often go by multiple names to circumvent getting banned.
While you can hardly assume he's a fascist, I agree that you should be allowed to speak, because I'm all about personal liberties.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFGuevara
However, back to harping on you. Your view of capitalism is quite narrow, and the way you describe the two views, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would admit to being a capitalist (since you've basically made capitalism equal criminal). I am telling you: for the same reason you kept screaming at us that "it wasn't real communism", please get your dictionary definitions straight with capitalism, as well. Sorry, but not allowing people to pool their money WOULD be illegal in "real" capitalism, because in real capitalism (lassiez-faire) the government steps away from the plate. In other words, you spend your money how you want, where you want. You can have problems with that (obviously, all social programs that are government-enforced are illegal, in that sense) but don't come up with propaganda about it.
Your little comments about how stupid we are is a weak form of trolling, but I don't really care, myself.Quote:
Nope doesnt fit my behavior on this forum at all.
When have i insulted anyone on this topic?Quote:
Your little comments about how stupid we are is a weak form of trolling, but I don't really care, myself.
In pure Capitalism slavery would be legal, workers would have no right's whatsoever (the very little amount of workers since they'll use slave's to get the most profit) , Pirating would be legal, and stealing wouldent be a crime. Corporation's would have as much power as the goverment. What good is the abilility to " spend your money how you want, where you want. " If you ether own everything or when you cant afford anything. In Communism everyone will meet their need's.Quote:
However, back to harping on you. Your view of capitalism is quite narrow, and the way you describe the two views, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would admit to being a capitalist (since you've basically made capitalism equal criminal). I am telling you: for the same reason you kept screaming at us that "it wasn't real communism", please get your dictionary definitions straight with capitalism, as well. Sorry, but not allowing people to pool their money WOULD be illegal in "real" capitalism, because in real capitalism (lassiez-faire) the government steps away from the plate. In other words, you spend your money how you want, where you want. You can have problems with that (obviously, all social programs that are government-enforced are illegal, in that sense) but don't come up with propaganda about it.
Your snide comments like "genius" spelled incorrectly because we aren't all commie bastards is where we are seeing it.
And considering everything you listed is actually quite anti-capitalist, I'm going to just laugh. I mean, I'll be fine with correcting your mistakes, but only if you ask for it. If you're sure that capitalism is some sort of tribal-fascist-anarchist scenario, and won't change your mind, then we have nothing else to discuss. (Slavery? Hahaha!)
What makes me laugh is that you support something you seem like you know nothing of.Quote:
And considering everything you listed is actually quite anti-capitalist, I'm going to just laugh. I mean, I'll be fine with correcting your mistakes, but only if you ask for it. If you're sure that capitalism is some sort of tribal-fascist-anarchist scenario, and won't change your mind, then we have nothing else to discuss. (Slavery? Hahaha!)
Anything that interfer's and decreases the bosses profit will not exist in a pure Capitalist society. You think in pure Capitalism there will be any health insurance?(Sometimes even a salary?). Do you think if you lived in a pure Capitalist society you would of gone to college or school in general? There wouldent be funding in a pure Capitalist society since the elite's would only care about their profit's. To make it simple anything that help's raise profit is LEGAL. Anything that would decrease their profits (which include's giving out schoolarships, health insurance, workers rights) will not exist in a pure capitalist society.
And you know this... because you've seen a pure capitalist society? Or are you just making an assumption?