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Okay, so riddle me this: since square seemed to be emulating the wuxia formula all throughout the show (huge leaps that seem like flying, chi blasts and exaggerated feats fo skill and strength) how would a mechanic and street thug turned cyborg have the training to leap higher then cloud, who couldnt himself leap that high, who supposedly is the most well trained of the group?Quote:
Originally Posted by cloud20747
If any aint seen this movie yet and wants to, just go to youtube.com, just type in advent children, look around and you'll find it, it has english subtitles, if you have flash it should play automatically, as for the wait, I've seen it and it does complete 7 although it wont be nominated for any oscars, but best action sequences I've seen in a long time in any movie, sword fighting on motorcycles what else could you want?
no no no what I saying is that Barret and Cid didn't leap, jump, or skip for that matter to help Cloud get to BahamutQuote:
Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
There is a thing called "Climbing"....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
I really don't see how a huge jump has anything to do with copying wuxia anyway :/
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Originally Posted by cloud20747
What you talking about? Nanaki only has one line.
I enjoyed it. Just forgot about the plot and devoted my attention to the action scenes. It was fun.
Ummm, they were standing on ruined pillars and metal objects. I doubt they took the stairs, and there wernt any real handholds for them to climb. also it wouldnt be possible for them to climb that high in a few minutes. Id prefer to call it just one more plot contrivance in a movie who's story is built upon them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
Huge jumps, absoloutly nothing to do with wuxia. supernatural leaps that give the effect of flying along with being able to combat in midair with problems at all? Everything to do with wuxia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyk
Wuxia just paved the way. What would you say if Wuxia wasn't the inspiration at all? You've seen my lack of Wuxia exposure. And I didn't have to see those movies to get what was going on in AC. Powerful people that can leap and hang in midair. Its a fantasy movie, you suspend belief to soak it in. I could come up with something just like it without any wuxia inspiration at all. And really, even if they were inspired by wuxia, it doesn't mean they were trying to make it wuxia, so they don't have an obligation to live by the rules of wuxia. Its a movie about game characters. Game characters have their own reality which would allow for a lot of different things.
Why dun you go look at how Yuffie "Climb" stuff in the movie....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
He has two other lines (when they argue on the Sierra about Kadaj (SPOILER) being a larve stage of Sephiroth ) But the camera isn't focused on him so it does seem he's talking but I could be wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Russielloyd
i liked how jenova's intentions were more clearly explained.
now i hope they can translate the novels too...especially the one where aerith is in the lifestream.
i also liked the ending theme song, it sounded like it was from the 80s.
Yuffie is a trained ninja, which implies that she is versed in combat techniques, highly physically conditioned, and likely versed in the use of chi to enhance her abilities. Cid is a mechanic and pilot, Barrett is a street gang leader and cyborg. Neither is likely to have any knowledge of chi, and its doubtful either could leap the distance of their own head, much less several stories. As for climbing, well Ive already covered that angle. Not only would they have time, but what the hell would they climb to get that high? somehow amidst the wreckage I doubt they found a working escalator. Though we're talking about a film where kids swim in and drink from diarrhea polluted water to gain superhuman leaping abilities while one of their best friends is held hostage in front of them. So I guess compared to that the thought of a working escalator going several stories isnt such a stretch is it? :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
Im not saying that AC was total wuxia, obviously they blended alot of anime references as well (though wuxia and anime tend to share similarities as well, such as the use of chi in martial arts and the superhuman abilities it can give to seasoned warriors). One thing I liked about AC was that the production values blended both and made it something different, Wuxia and anime served as influences and inspiration. There are just far too many similarities to discount as coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyk
By the way, this is just a bit of trivia. I found Cids combat technique to be very interesting. When he fought off those beasts he used staff fighting techniques, yet he wields a spear. While its unlikely that cid would be that powerful (spears take an incredible amount of strength to wield, four times the amount needed for a sword, and about eight times the strength needed for staffs) there seemed to be a bit of imitation in the sense that there is a character in the early portion of the crouching tiger novel (the film focused on the later chapters) in which trained himself to fight with a spear, but was powerful enough to master it using staff techniques, and was one of the few characters to even come close to defeating li mu bai (chow yun fats character). I just find it interesting and am wondering if the imitation was intentional, or were they trying to make cid look cool? Is there any interviews out there where the animators talk about their inspiration in making the action scenes?
As for game logic... ummm, last movie that tried that was Super Mario Bros. and we all know what a masterpiece that was :rolleyes2. though if what Russel says bout the novella's is true, then they really did apply game logic along with the anime and wuxia influences (Or do you really believe that the similarities are just coincidence?) , which I just have to say is the most wank movie making concept since the brady bunch film sequel.
They USED to be until the events of FF VII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
How in the world do they battle countless monsters, fight the Shinra to contribute in saving the world during the events of FF VII if they are just regular mechanic and a street gangster.Quote:
Q. Are they superhumans?
A. Everyone seemed to have reached level 99. Only Cloud kind of managed to surpass that level. However, the Turks were much lower level.
Besides, Barret is already a terrorist in the game to start with.
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Originally Posted by Christmas
Video games work on their own logic, movies work on theirs. Sometimes you can adapt a few rules to fit the other, but making a movie based entirely on the logic of video games is totally stupid and just ends up tearing down any credibility the story had. As awful as past video game movies have been, at least they aimed to make the story make SOME sense rather then just trying to carry over the video game logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami