Final Fantasy VIII Mysteries

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Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Actually, Skyblade holds copyright on all of the PMs he takes part in, so unless you two made some form of agreement to nondisclosure, he is fully within his rights to expose any or all of them he so desires, as do you.

Of course, attempting to find the meaning behind a battle mechanic is rather silly. Canonically, most battles do not happen. Heck, we don't even know if Squall can do the Lionheart out of battle mechanics land.

And PAK, that can't be the big bang. There is space outside of that galaxy, and the BB resulted in the formation of space and time as we know them.

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I'm not following you... Please explain. As I understood it, there are many therories... One of them, which I assumed was displayed in the animation, that there was a previous universe, or a condensed form space that exploded into the current universe. Kinda like another reversal of "The Crunch" But also, what do you think Eden is and the animation depicts Ryushikazie?

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Neither of those would exactly work. Even assuming the cyclical model, during the period of crunch, there would not be an 'outside' as commonly understood. Of course, the crunch would technically only last an instant, as time would not really exist in such a state.

Eden is a Guardian force, and I'd assume that the runes (functionally identical to the ones that appear when Diablos uses his attack) are being used for targeting, given that the two sides align before the shot is fired.
If I had to guess anything other than 'guardian force' for what eden is, I'd say a space based death machine, and I do not simply say that facetiously.

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Actually, Skyblade holds copyright on all of the PMs he takes part in, so unless you two made some form of agreement to nondisclosure, he is fully within his rights to expose any or all of them he so desires, as do you.

Of course, attempting to find the meaning behind a battle mechanic is rather silly. Canonically, most battles do not happen. Heck, we don't even know if Squall can do the Lionheart out of battle mechanics land.

And PAK, that can't be the big bang. There is space outside of that galaxy, and the BB resulted in the formation of space and time as we know them.

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I'm not following you... Please explain. As I understood it, there are many therories... One of them, which I assumed was displayed in the animation, that there was a previous universe, or a condensed form space that exploded into the current universe. Kinda like another reversal of "The Crunch" But also, what do you think Eden is and the animation depicts Ryushikazie?

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Neither of those would exactly work. Even assuming the cyclical model, during the period of crunch, there would not be an 'outside' as commonly understood. Of course, the crunch would technically only last an instant, as time would not really exist in such a state.

Eden is a Guardian force, and I'd assume that the runes (functionally identical to the ones that appear when Diablos uses his attack) are being used for targeting, given that the two sides align before the shot is fired.
If I had to guess anything other than 'guardian force' for what eden is, I'd say a space based death machine, and I do not simply say that facetiously.

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Those runes are mystical and extradimensional in nature compared to the Roman numerics on Eden's 'runes'.

Diablos: Mystic Extradimensional Entity

Eden: Man-Made- (Technological ?)-GF

Isn't Time Magicks catergorized under "Forbidden Magicks"? Maybe that's why it was so secretive. But that's just an appeal to my position. If it's not a time machine what the hell is it?

It's so friggin' alien, it just makes you wonder what were they thinking? The "scientists" and game developers that is, in both senses.

I'll get to Diablos later he's another one of my favorites to pick apart. But I'm gonna have to stick with the time manipulation for me. It's the best explaination for me.


Is there anything more on Eden?

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What do think the clock animation represented?

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Let me explain something interesting about this clock to you,PAK.
FH is on the center of the world,isn´t it?
And it looks like a clock gauge,doesn´t it?
The horizon bridge can be seen as two clock pointers on opposite directions.
During the Eden animation you see a clock over a planet.
At the center there is some triangle.
Why?
This is the same triangle you see on the middle of the transparent panel inside Esthar holographic walls when you select the "color check" option.
If you look at the world map you see that around FH there is an approximate triangle ocean shape.
If you try to insert the "color check" map over the world map aligning the triangles you will see that the six poligons divide the world on six different regions.You will see that no one can pass from one region to another on foot.That is because they are different eras.The vehicles used to pass from region to region are in fact TIME MACHINES.
Balamb Garden is a good example.
Since people think that Eden is some kind of Garden maybe you have a point on the Eden=Time machine theory.
However the Esthar region is an exception and will not fit inside the polygons.I will explain it later if you are interested.

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Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Actually, Skyblade holds copyright on all of the PMs he takes part in, so unless you two made some form of agreement to nondisclosure, he is fully within his rights to expose any or all of them he so desires, as do you.

Of course, attempting to find the meaning behind a battle mechanic is rather silly. Canonically, most battles do not happen. Heck, we don't even know if Squall can do the Lionheart out of battle mechanics land.

And PAK, that can't be the big bang. There is space outside of that galaxy, and the BB resulted in the formation of space and time as we know them.

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I'm not following you... Please explain. As I understood it, there are many therories... One of them, which I assumed was displayed in the animation, that there was a previous universe, or a condensed form space that exploded into the current universe. Kinda like another reversal of "The Crunch" But also, what do you think Eden is and the animation depicts Ryushikazie?

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Neither of those would exactly work. Even assuming the cyclical model, during the period of crunch, there would not be an 'outside' as commonly understood. Of course, the crunch would technically only last an instant, as time would not really exist in such a state.

Eden is a Guardian force, and I'd assume that the runes (functionally identical to the ones that appear when Diablos uses his attack) are being used for targeting, given that the two sides align before the shot is fired.
If I had to guess anything other than 'guardian force' for what eden is, I'd say a space based death machine, and I do not simply say that facetiously.

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Those runes are mystical and extradimensional in nature compared to the Roman numerics on Eden's 'runes'.

Diablos: Mystic Extradimensional Entity

Eden: Man-Made- (Technological ?)-GF

Isn't Time Magicks catergorized under "Forbidden Magicks"? Maybe that's why it was so secretive. But that's just an appeal to my position. If it's not a time machine what the hell is it?

It's so friggin' alien, it just makes you wonder what were they thinking?

I'll get to Diablos later he's another one of my favorites to pick apart. But I'm gonna have to stick with the time manipulation for me. It's the best explaination for me.


Is there anything more on Eden?

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Yeah. It being the Big Bang is actually impossible, since you can see stars pass by, at non relativistic speeds (or rather, under c) come to think of it, as the foes fly into the other galaxy/accretion disc.

And Eden's runes are first identical to Diablos's, then we pan out to the triangle, then there's the planet shot, in which we have triangles and degrees, the latter which is matched on the other hemisphere by an identical and opposite moving degrees level, which align just before Eden fires. The numerals are actually rather irrelevant, it would seem, since they are only focused on for a second, and are not as vital to the process of firing as the locking in of the degrees layer.

Still, it's a giant leap between having numerals and proving it's a time machine.

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Actually, Skyblade holds copyright on all of the PMs he takes part in, so unless you two made some form of agreement to nondisclosure, he is fully within his rights to expose any or all of them he so desires, as do you.

Of course, attempting to find the meaning behind a battle mechanic is rather silly. Canonically, most battles do not happen. Heck, we don't even know if Squall can do the Lionheart out of battle mechanics land.

And PAK, that can't be the big bang. There is space outside of that galaxy, and the BB resulted in the formation of space and time as we know them.

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I'm not following you... Please explain. As I understood it, there are many therories... One of them, which I assumed was displayed in the animation, that there was a previous universe, or a condensed form space that exploded into the current universe. Kinda like another reversal of "The Crunch" But also, what do you think Eden is and the animation depicts Ryushikazie?

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Neither of those would exactly work. Even assuming the cyclical model, during the period of crunch, there would not be an 'outside' as commonly understood. Of course, the crunch would technically only last an instant, as time would not really exist in such a state.

Eden is a Guardian force, and I'd assume that the runes (functionally identical to the ones that appear when Diablos uses his attack) are being used for targeting, given that the two sides align before the shot is fired.
If I had to guess anything other than 'guardian force' for what eden is, I'd say a space based death machine, and I do not simply say that facetiously.

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Those runes are mystical and extradimensional in nature compared to the Roman numerics on Eden's 'runes'.

Diablos: Mystic Extradimensional Entity

Eden: Man-Made- (Technological ?)-GF

Isn't Time Magicks catergorized under "Forbidden Magicks"? Maybe that's why it was so secretive. But that's just an appeal to my position. If it's not a time machine what the hell is it?

It's so friggin' alien, it just makes you wonder what were they thinking?

I'll get to Diablos later he's another one of my favorites to pick apart. But I'm gonna have to stick with the time manipulation for me. It's the best explaination for me.


Is there anything more on Eden?

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Yeah. It being the Big Bang is actually impossible, since you can see stars pass by, at non relativistic speeds (or rather, under c) come to think of it, as the foes fly into the other galaxy/accretion disc.

And Eden's runes are first identical to Diablos's, then we pan out to the triangle, then there's the planet shot, in which we have triangles and degrees, the latter which is matched on the other hemisphere by an identical and opposite moving degrees level, which align just before Eden fires. The numerals are actually rather irrelevant, it would seem, since they are only focused on for a second, and are not as vital to the process of firing as the locking in of the degrees layer.

Still, it's a giant leap between having numerals and proving it's a time machine.

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No, the numerals are there other side from their conception to the point that they 'fire' and afterward.

I'll give a play by play of what I'm seeing inaminute. Waitaminute, I already did that earlier...

I guess I'll just move on to Diablos...

The way, I see it, Diablos is an extra-dimensional entity that resides within a dimension that is so saturated with extremely heavy gravity or 'dark matter', that the very air (if any) is a dense black mass. It could be that Diablos resides either in the Dark Latern itself or in a dimension that is connect vicariously to the FFVIII world via the Dark Latern.

As Diablos is summoned from this dimension he sees the target, and hurls a "small" amount of the dark matter from his dimension unto the target crushing it with incredibly dense gravity.

I find this interesting because I ponder what else could survive in a dimension like that and is this connected to the Forbidden Time Para-Magicks like "Demi"...

I had a thought that Diablos might be the messenger referred to in the painting in Ultimecia's castle (in the garden sleeps a messenger). After all, his attack is called Dark Messenger.

My original idea was that he actually represented the serpent in the Garden of Eden (which would link him to the GF Eden), but that's only a tenuous allegorical connection.

Someone else suggested that it would be simpler if the garden referred to was Balamb Garden. And I agree that it's far more likely.

BTW, you can edit your first post to include the stuff in the second post and just delete the second one.

Hmm... That's interesting what you mentioned about the "Messenger In The Garden"... hmm...

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

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What do think the clock animation represented?

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Let me explain something interesting about this clock to you,PAK.
FH is on the center of the world,isn´t it?
And it looks like a clock gauge,doesn´t it?
The horizon bridge can be seen as two clock pointers on opposite directions.
During the Eden animation you see a clock over a planet.
At the center there is some triangle.
Why?
This is the same triangle you see on the middle of the transparent panel inside Esthar holographic walls when you select the "color check" option.
If you look at the world map you see that around FH there is an approximate triangle ocean shape.
If you try to insert the "color check" map over the world map aligning the triangles you will see that the six poligons divide the world on six different regions.You will see that no one can pass from one region to another on foot.That is because they are different eras.The vehicles used to pass from region to region are in fact TIME MACHINES.
Balamb Garden is a good example.
Since people think that Eden is some kind of Garden maybe you have a point on the Eden=Time machine theory.
However the Esthar region is an exception and will not fit inside the polygons.I will explain it later if you are interested.

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:eyebrow: :sweat: Hmm... I don't quite follow you on this "Color Check" you're referring to Future Esthar... I think you're referring to the symbols as gravitional points in the planet's magnetisphere that could warp temporal fields, right? Uh... I... guess... so?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53...rchecknumb.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53...gonredblue.jpg

The firts picture is the image on the panel when you select the "color check" option.
The second picture is the fitting.
There is something I have yet to explain:
There weren´t gravitational warps.

The lines on the second picture are holographic walls similar to the ones on Esthar.These lines pass on places unaccessible by foot(usually the sea or rivers).
Cameras on these walls film the surrounding environment and transmit them to another era.The images therefore appears on the panels of the destination era.
Therefore,a person in one era will get a glimpse of the other era without realizing they are different eras.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53...rchecknumb.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53...gonredblue.jpg

The firts picture is the image on the panel when you select the "color check" option.
The second picture is the fitting.
There is something I have yet to explain:
There weren´t gravitational warps.

The lines on the second picture are holographic walls similar to the ones on Esthar.These lines pass on places unaccessible by foot(usually the sea or rivers).
Cameras on these walls film the surrounding environment and transmit them to another era.The images therefore appears on the panels of the destination era.
Therefore,a person in one era will get a glimpse of the other era without realizing they are different eras.

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Okay, first, it would help if you explained what this "Color Check Option" is... Second, I don't understand how this would have to do with Eden's time-manipulation?

If you played the game you would know what I mean by "color check option".
I pretty much explained the relationship on post 78.

Note that there is no relation between the polygons and the twelve symbols.

The relation is stablished by the triangle.

1-The pattern fit the map with the triangle in the middle.
2-FH rests inside the triangle.The FH-Horiz.Bridge set along with the circular distribution of the continents around FH resembles a clock thus relating to the planet-clock of Eden.

I conclude then that Eden is senting us a message about WOTC.
WOTC is the theory I derived from the pictures on my previous post.

Nevermind that this evidence is completely insufficient to support said hypothesis, could have a much more parsimonious conclusion, etc.

Plus there's the fact that your 'invisible time walls' can be traversed on foot. And yes, they can. Both by Laguna, and by the party.

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Nevermind that this evidence is completely insufficient to support said hypothesis, could have a much more parsimonious conclusion, etc.

Plus there's the fact that your 'invisible time walls' can be traversed on foot. And yes, they can. Both by Laguna, and by the party.

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Future Esthar, I gonna have to say that I, reluctantly, (just kiddin'), agree with Ryushikazie. But only on the aspect that your evidence and statements are 'insuffcient. You keep talking like everyone can read your mind. I don't remember what the "Color Check Option" was, I haven't played the game in a very long time; and I hate it.

1.You need to restate the subject of your hypothesis. You lost me on what you're trying to prove.

2. Please refer to any "evidence" or references as they were in the game. If you're talking about the "CCO" please refresh us on what it is and where/when in the game/story it was of importance.

3. Paint a picture for us when you're stating your hypothesis. If you're going to talk like we're reading your mind, you may as well play 'tour guide'. :D

So... From the top... Take TWO... (CLACK!)... ACTION!!!!

And for freak's sake, make your own topic, FE. Stop polluting everyone else's threads with your nonsense.