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Damn right. I'm glad we've managed to agree that everyone is stupid. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I guess we could each adopt a League One club to make things interesting for you. *claims Leyton Orient* :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Old Manus
Oh, and the CL draw:
AC Milan v Bayern Munich
PSV Eindhoven v Liverpool
Roma v Manchester United
Chelsea v Valencia
I call Yeovil <3
Regarding Arsenal being the better team: You're only as good as your final touch in front of goal, and if you don't get the goals then your touches weren't good enough. They did get goals, they won, you were beaten by the better team.
I can say it when we lose to West Ham, you should be able to say it when you lose to PSV.
Regarding League One... I support Sunderland (Keane influence) in the Championship and I generally look at Nottingham Forest in the lower leagues.
[q]When we watched the Arsenal-Spurs game, did you see the way the fans in their Fabregas shirts all jumped up and started hugging each other whenever Arsenal scored? It's your bloody reserves playing in the bloody Carling Cup you ponces.[/q]
What, it's illegal to feel happy if the team you support scores, now? :p Give it a break, mate. I won't deny the rest of what you said in the other post though. :D
No, it's not illegal. It's just a stupid overreaction. Unless beating Spurs in the Carling Cup is the limit of Arsenal's ambitions these days. Oh, and what, it's illegal to mock gunners, now? :p Give it a break, chum.
Regarding the draw, Chelsea certainly got the toughest of the three English teams remaining. Roma shouldn't present too much of a problem for United, after all, Middlesbrough knocked them out of the UEFA Cup last season. Still, United's European record hasn't been impressive for the last couple of seasons, (worst of all the English teams. Except Everton, if you want to count them!) so you never know.
If PSV play against us like they did in the group stages, then we'll go through. I saw the away game (it was a 0-0 draw; we won at Anfield 2-0) and a midfield of Aurelio, Zenden, Sissoko and Pennant was more than a match for PSV. Mind you, I expect them to play a lot better than they did in the group stages, and I certainly don't think it's an easy game: The Arsenal fans took that approach and now look at them. It'll be tricky, and we can do it, but whether we will do it remains to be seen.
Supposing we do it, that'll lead to a dream semi-final no matter who it's against. Chelsea are, well, Chelsea, and there are several players who have represented both Liverpool and Valencia (Off the top of my head, Aurelio, Sissoko and Morientes) as well as a certain Mr. Benitez.
And I may be looking just a bit too far forward (I can have my dreams) but supposing we get to the final, our opponents would be either Roma, AC Milan, Bayern or Man United. I checked, and every single one of these teams' home kits are red/maroon, and their away kits are all-white. In each of the five times we have won the European Cup, it has been against a team in all-white. I don't know how it's decided who gets to wear their home kit though.
Edit: Scratch that, just found out we'd be the 'away' team in the final, so unless Milan volunteer to wear their white kit (until meeting us, they'd won 6 finals in white and lost 2 in red/black) it looks like we would be in white and green. Brings back horrible memories of the '96 FA Cup final against United. I don't think I could stand to lose to them in the CL final.
Part of the beauty of football, or any other sport, is that the best team doesn't always win. I've seen matches lost through squandered chances, yes. But I've also seen games where the outcome was determined by bad refereeing, and others that were decided by sheer fortune. Obviously, I'm not going to pretend that Arsenal don't have a problem with taking oppurtunities in front of goal, but that doesn't mean the other aspects of our performance should be ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
But yes, we didn't really do enough to deserve a win against PSV. There's no injustice in the result, I'm merely frustrated that my team wasn't able to show the quality that we all know they have. Looking at that PSV side, it's hard to believe they'd have had a chance against an Arsenal on top form, and having a team that is capable of matching any team in Europe exit the competition against an average side is terribly frustrating.
Only incredibly stupid arrogant fans would ever assume a game in the CL is going to be easy (especially as any Arsenal fan with half a brain should remember our long list of slip-ups in Europe) - so please don't blithely assume all (or even most) Arsenal fans were this dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
As for PSV, they're most likely going out, but I'm sure Liverpool will remember Benfica last year, and Bayern Leverkusen back in 2002, who were both underdogs and both wound up knocking out two English clubs, and won't make any mistakes wih regards to complacency. Chelsea have the hardest draw definitely though.
And also Middlesbrough threw away a good chance to beat Man Utd in the cup tonight - the crushing inevitablity of a Man Utd-Chelsea final takes a step closer (though I'll hold 100% judgement on that depending on which Spurs side turns up tomorrow).
I don't assume all Arsenal fans took that approach. However I did check out an Arsenal forum at the time and saw a lot of them acting like they'd won the damned thing already and a couple were laughing at Liverpool for getting Barca (although obviously that was much worse at Chelsea and United forums). To be fair, I did see several acting more cautiously though. And Cz here certainly isn't stupid, quite the opposite, but from the post I quoted previously, he clearly thought Arsenal would go through and Liverpool would go out. It wasn't a baseless assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by charliepanayi
Disappointed Boro couldn't beat United. I want all the talk about a treble to go away, and fast.
Online forums are all too often populated by idiot fans though (present company excepted ;) - but then this is not a football forum), frequently full of 'ZOMG TEAM X SUX OLOLOLOL'. I daresay I could find some Liverpool fan forums which are now full of daft comments about how Liverpool will thrash PSV etc.
Though I will say that Cz's comment made a month or so ago was really daft and was asking for trouble if we wound up falling on our arses - at the very least you make a proviso for the worst-case scenario when looking at the future, not just the best.
One hope is now that Liverpool get so tied up with the CL that they forget to take brutal revenge on us at Anfield for the way we've been screwing them over so far this season - well I can but hope...
I agree with all of that. Except the last paragraph. ;)
Let's get excited about the FA Youth Cup! Come on, folks! All four of the semi-finals teams are represented here (Liverpool v Newcastle; Arsenal v Man United) and Liverpool just won the first leg 4-2. We won the entire tournament last year and hopefully we can do the same again this year.
I care more about this than I do the Carling Cup. Why? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Youth_Cup_Final_Squads Take a look at that. You'll notice an awful lot of familiar names. Scroll down far enough and you'll even see Bobby Charlton! Even the last two finals have produced England internationals (Richards and Walcott). Young English talent is an extremely valuable commodity these days.
Haha, check out the 91/92 United teams. Beckham, Butt, Neville, Giggs, Savage. Nice.
EDIT: An Arsenal fan regaularly posts at the United forum I go to. No ill treatment, either. Proving not all football forums are full of mindless idiots but actually some good blokes.
EDIT: I'd say Chelsea speaking of getting all four titles is a bit more annoying than United whispering about trebles.
Great quarter-final between Chelsea and Spurs earlier, there's been some cracking games in the last week or so.
And odds for a Man Utd treble at the moment are 9/1 apparently ;)
Bah, you can't rely on Spurs to do anything right. The moment Jol swapped Berbatov for Mido you could tell that Chelsea were going to make a comeback, and I've no doubt that Spurs will disappoint in the replay, taking us one step closer to a United-Chelsea final.
Still, it was a great game of football, and I'm not going to complain about a bunch of Tottenham fans going home miserable. They had a couple of chances to kill the game off, so screw 'em. :p
After seeing that game, no wonder Mourinho hasn't given SWP a chance. He's...well...crap. Didn't hit an accurate pass all day, and with the European qualifiers coming up, I hope McClaren doesn't consider him based on this evidence. Obviously he's behind Gerrard and Lennon in the pecking order for the right wing berth, but I'd also put him behind Beckham and even Jermaine bloody Pennant on the strength of that performance.
I'm not talking about all Arsenal fans, but living in the South East of England I know plenty and recently I've been driven mad. I'm not one to deny that within a couple of years Arsenal will probably be the best team in the premiership and win lots, but for now some of the fans need to stop wearing boots too big for their feeties! :jess:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cz