for all of you that hate ff7...

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Originally Posted by Renatus

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Originally Posted by PuPu

I played and hated this game five years ago, long before I hated the fanbase or heard of the "FF7 hate bandwagon."

I don't necessarily hate every FF7 fan, just the ones that that say things like "sephiroth is so cool" and "all other ff's suck comared to VII."

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comared?:confused:

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Originally Posted by Sephitachi7

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Originally Posted by Sephitachi7

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Originally Posted by Momiji

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Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover

This sums it all up for me.

YouTube - Final Fantasy VII Review (Part 6) (CENSORED)

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For once, ONCE, you post something that I found not only mildly amusing, but that video had so much WIN in it I don't know where to start on how great it was. I especially loved how he took that random shot at Naruto, which goes hand in hand-- I mean, why stop at nitpicking a lousy game--shoot down the crappy anime while you're at it! I love it. I absolutely love it.

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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I don't think you've even watched an episode of Naruto by the way you're talking. Man the story is brilliant and unpredictable unlike many other animes (DBZ).

BTW the video was pretty funny.

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Naruto's still crappy compared to DBZ. By the way you talk, you never watched an anime with a good storyline, the american version of DBZ is censored and childish.:mog:

Edit by Kishi: Don't double-post.

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I've seen the japanese DBZ and of course I'm a fan of DBZ but it was still very predictable. Get stronger defeat new stronger bad guy. That was basically it. Regardless of it being the cut or uncut version the storyline was the same. And I've also watched many other anime, some with a good storyline and some with not so good of a story.

As for Momiji, um Naruto's storyline cliche and predictable? Where else have you seen a storyline that in anyway reflects Naruto's? UM.... nowhere... that's right. If you have please give me specifics. I challenge you to. Maybe you watched like the first 3 episodes or some fillers, but the storyline can not be compared to anything else out there because it is just THAT good. I know people are entitled to their own opinions and to say you don't like Naruto for your own reasons is fine. But to say the storyline is predictable is just ignorant and stupid. Like Cloudane said, it is popular because of its greatness. It is the very reason why a series becomes so popular. So predictable? Cliche? Don't think so buddy but good try. Just keep on watching DB.

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Originally Posted by Sephitachi7

As for Momiji, um Naruto's storyline cliche and predictable? Where else have you seen a storyline that in anyway reflects Naruto's? UM.... nowhere... that's right. If you have please give me specifics. I challenge you to. Maybe you watched like the first 3 episodes or some fillers, but the storyline can not be compared to anything else out there because it is just THAT good. I know people are entitled to their own opinions and to say you don't like Naruto for your own reasons is fine. But to say the storyline is predictable is just ignorant and stupid. Like Cloudane said, it is popular because of its greatness. It is the very reason why a series becomes so popular. So predictable? Cliche? Don't think so buddy but good try. Just keep on watching DB.

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Wow, for someone who claims to be 21, you argue like a child.

First of all, read before you smurfing rant. I said the characters were clichéd, not the story. I said the story was predictable and boring.

As for the characters, there's the stereotypical Naruto, the overconfident loudmouth character who has great aspirations despite lack of apparent skill. Then there's Sasuke, the typical angry character because he has a chip on his shoulder. Then there's Sakura, whose name is a cliché in and of itself, personality aside. Rock Lee-- typical screw-up with impossible standards for himself. And so on and so forth.

Second of all, where the hell IS the storyline? A good percentage of the series is filler. And what I suppose I saw of the storyline was dull and predictable.

And sorry, the reason it became so popular because it's violent yet kid-friendly enough to be shown during the times children are most likely to watch it. And it's generally the battle scenes that draw them to it. This is because-- like sex, violence sells as well, despite an uninteresting story and lack of interesting characters.

Please don't call me ignorant until you get your facts straight. And by the way, I don't watch DB either, but it's the only series within the series that doesn't suck so bad that it's impossible to watch.

I'm done posting here and I'm not going to post again. I suggest you do the same so this thread can go back on topic.

The... smurfin... fanbase :mad2: :mad2:

FOR ANYONE HOPING TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION OF NARUTO COME HERE. OTHERWISE RETURN TO THE MAIN TOPIC PLEASE.

Writ by Momiji:
:::I mean, why stop at nitpicking a lousy game--shoot down the crappy anime while you're at it!:

All anime is crappy. Although Appleseed and Advent Children were slightly better, but I think they fall under another genre. I like Naruto though. Mostly because I relate to Naruto and Sasuke in their individual attempts to reach their overall goals.

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As for Momiji, um Naruto's storyline cliche and predictable? Where else have you seen a storyline that in anyway reflects Naruto's? UM.... nowhere... that's right. If you have please give me specifics. I challenge you to. Maybe you watched like the first 3 episodes or some fillers, but the storyline can not be compared to anything else out there because it is just THAT good. I know people are entitled to their own opinions and to say you don't like Naruto for your own reasons is fine. But to say the storyline is predictable is just ignorant and stupid. Like Cloudane said, it is popular because of its greatness. It is the very reason why a series becomes so popular. So predictable? Cliche? Don't think so buddy but good try. Just keep on watching DB.

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Wow, for someone who claims to be 21, you argue like a child.

First of all, read before you smurfing rant. I said the characters were clichéd, not the story. I said the story was predictable and boring.

As for the characters, there's the stereotypical Naruto, the overconfident loudmouth character who has great aspirations despite lack of apparent skill. Then there's Sasuke, the typical angry character because he has a chip on his shoulder. Then there's Sakura, whose name is a cliché in and of itself, personality aside. Rock Lee-- typical screw-up with impossible standards for himself. And so on and so forth.

Second of all, where the hell IS the storyline? A good percentage of the series is filler. And what I suppose I saw of the storyline was dull and predictable.

And sorry, the reason it became so popular because it's violent yet kid-friendly enough to be shown during the times children are most likely to watch it. And it's generally the battle scenes that draw them to it. This is because-- like sex, violence sells as well, despite an uninteresting story and lack of interesting characters.

Please don't call me ignorant until you get your facts straight. And by the way, I don't watch DB either, but it's the only series within the series that doesn't suck so bad that it's impossible to watch.

I'm done posting here and I'm not going to post again. I suggest you do the same so this thread can go back on topic.

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Please forgive me in advance for this post, Mercen.

So I argue like a child because I called you ignorant? It just doesn't make sense to me how it could be so predictable when it is something that has never before been seen. There are no stories that could even vaguely be compared with Naruto. It is interesting, exciting, and keeps you on your toes.

Your second argument is false. There are MANY, MANY anime that are much more violent than Naruto and at the same time kid-friendly. Yet, these don't even come close to the popularity of Naruto. Naruto is popular because it is VERY GOOD. People generally like things that are VERY GOOD. I don't know why it is so hard for you to understand this. It seems very obvious to me.

And I don't claim to be 21. I am 21. I don't know how old you are nor do I care. I don't plan to try to insult you based on your age. But the lack of intelligence you are showing is insulting to me and everyone here. My intention was not to turn this into something like this. You might have misinterpreted what I said. I didn't insult you, I said that what you had said was ignorant.

I'm not going to try to convince you to like Naruto. But if you outright say something is bad when many other people like it, you should also expect answers like this. Like you had said keep in mind the majority of people here are nerds who also like anime, and in turn Naruto. If you wish, people take your own advice and watch your words. Of course, you don't have to and that's the beauty of free speech. Cheers.

BTW I apologize to everyone for all this, and I will refrain from commeting about Naruto in this thread from now on.

All right children, settle down. We do NOT permit personal attacks on this site. Ever. Don't do it. Don't let me see it again.

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People who make shows purely for the entertainment value without providing reason as to how it fits the story should die horrible deaths.

Final Fantasy is not Family Guy. You can't just cram it full of cool-looking ass-vomit. It decreases the story's value and takes away from the characters and environment. Suddenly, all you care about is a move that "looked cool" even though it obviously served no real purpose. People who accept this crap are just as bad as the people who shovel it and should be treated as such.

This is why I decided to make the attack "sound" relevant. Because no matter how defiant, fast, and showy something may be, it ends up looking stupid if it serves no real purpose. That's right folks! Omnislash V5 looked stupid. It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen, why? Because it apparently served no purpose. As if Cloud Strife himself knew that an audience was watching and so he decided to make this thing as showy as possible.

But maybe everyone agrees that my theory is too wild and maybe it's stupid in itself. Well, here's another one:

Knowing it'd be difficult to attack Sephiroth straight-up, Cloud decides it's best to attack from all directions. There. Simple and straightforward, right? Having all those swords floating around would sure be distracting and there's no way to know where Cloud is coming from or what exactly he plans to do with those swords.

But whatever... Advent Children is what it will be to everyone who thinks it is that. Ignorance is bliss, right?

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I had written a statement to make legitimate the V5 maneuver utilized in AC during the final battle between Cloud and Sephiroth. This was meant mostly for others who might've shared my opinion that it was ridiculous and should've been edited out.
Someone responded that I shouldn't have bothered because the move "looked cool" and that's all that mattered.
That's why my choice is fanbase.

haha this is funny, i think you know what my opinion is Final Fantasy 7 is one of the greatest games ever! who ever made this thread just wants to stir things up and get people wound up!

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

haha this is funny, i think you know what my opinion is Final Fantasy 7 is one of the greatest games ever! who ever made this thread just wants to stir things up and get people wound up!

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actually I made this thread to prove that most people who say "I hate FF7" really hate the fanbase much more than the game. FF7 is my second favorite FF game(after 9)

FFVII is my favorite, which happens to be the fourth FF I played.

Yeah, FF is one of the best game series' in the world for reasons other than a single installment. But you cannot deny that every single game in the series, INCLUDING FF7, made it for what it is.

The correct answer is the second one.

I'm just shocked people are actually admitting it.

I hate the fanbase, but that doesn't make me ashamed to like the game. Mostly I just hate the fact that I've met people who have claimed to love FF7, but then I try to talk to them about it and it turns out they have only seen AC and never even played the game.

Hate the fans

But the game really isn't anything spectacular either.

I usually don't like coming into the later generation forums, because people always try to over analyze the game and such, and put more meaning into things then there needs to be. Like for FFVIII, I enjoyed the game, but I hate the discussions that go on for it. Same thing for this game really.

THE JACKEL

You can say that about any of the games.

Or anyTHING, really.

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Originally Posted by Kenshin IV

You can say that about any of the games.

Or anyTHING, really.

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not really, I don't see much over analyzation of anything in the Nintendo era of games. People pretty much took things at face value.

THE JACKEL