The Darkside of FF7

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10-07-2009, 01:18 PM
Elly

it's on the video tapes in Ilfana's house at Icicle Inn...
10-07-2009, 01:45 PM
seiferalmasy2

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So that just pretty much says the weapons were made to rid the planet of any threat it saw to itself. Just in this case it was Jenova but doesn't mean Jenova's the only reason weapons exist. idk where this convo is from though b/c don't remember it in FFVII or AC and don't care to play any of the other FFVII stuff.

It states clearly they were created as a response to the threat of jenova.
10-07-2009, 11:07 PM
Crop

Yeah that was their original purpose, but after the threat was removed I think it's fair to say that they now destroy any threat to the planet, even if it isn't Jenova.
10-08-2009, 12:32 AM
Kyros

I see it as they were simply created in response to anything that would threaten the planets destruction, but it just happens that at the time it was Jenova. Had something/someone else come along by then with the same cataclysmic undertones then they would have been there in response to that. They don't awaken just b/c Jenova's around, they awakened b/c they sensed what trouble Sephiroth was bringing to the planet.
10-09-2009, 06:08 PM
seiferalmasy2

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Originally Posted by Kyros

I see it as they were simply created in response to anything that would threaten the planets destruction, but it just happens that at the time it was Jenova. Had something/someone else come along by then with the same cataclysmic undertones then they would have been there in response to that. They don't awaken just b/c Jenova's around, they awakened b/c they sensed what trouble Sephiroth was bringing to the planet.

Sephiroth was jenova. It was jenova who made sephiroth appear all over the world and jenova who gives him the power he needs (he manipulates Jenova to gain its power). Therefore, the second crisis of the planet is the REUNION. The reunion is completely to do with jenova as much as it is Sephiroth.

Once the reunion occurs, weapons are released. Both times, it was Jenova who was at the centre of it. The reunion is Jenova.
10-10-2009, 05:45 PM
Crop

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Originally Posted by Kyros

I see it as they were simply created in response to anything that would threaten the planets destruction, but it just happens that at the time it was Jenova. Had something/someone else come along by then with the same cataclysmic undertones then they would have been there in response to that. They don't awaken just b/c Jenova's around, they awakened b/c they sensed what trouble Sephiroth was bringing to the planet.

Sephiroth was jenova. It was jenova who made sephiroth appear all over the world and jenova who gives him the power he needs (he manipulates Jenova to gain its power). Therefore, the second crisis of the planet is the REUNION. The reunion is completely to do with jenova as much as it is Sephiroth.

Once the reunion occurs, weapons are released. Both times, it was Jenova who was at the centre of it. The reunion is Jenova.

But as you said, Sephiroth is pulling the strings. Jenova wouldn't have done any of that if Sephiroth wasn't manipulating her.
10-10-2009, 07:16 PM
seiferalmasy2

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Originally Posted by Crop

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Originally Posted by Kyros

I see it as they were simply created in response to anything that would threaten the planets destruction, but it just happens that at the time it was Jenova. Had something/someone else come along by then with the same cataclysmic undertones then they would have been there in response to that. They don't awaken just b/c Jenova's around, they awakened b/c they sensed what trouble Sephiroth was bringing to the planet.

Sephiroth was jenova. It was jenova who made sephiroth appear all over the world and jenova who gives him the power he needs (he manipulates Jenova to gain its power). Therefore, the second crisis of the planet is the REUNION. The reunion is completely to do with jenova as much as it is Sephiroth.

Once the reunion occurs, weapons are released. Both times, it was Jenova who was at the centre of it. The reunion is Jenova.

But as you said, Sephiroth is pulling the strings. Jenova wouldn't have done any of that if Sephiroth wasn't manipulating her.

But that doesn't disprove that it was the planet releasing the Weapons in response to Jenova. They are released at HER reuinion, it is not Sephiroth's reunion.
10-10-2009, 07:37 PM
Kyros

It seems as though someone won't let me prove my point b/c a post I made was deleted. wtf
10-10-2009, 08:08 PM
Jaffer

They were created 2000 years ago as a response to the threat Jenova faced but when they awoke current day I have to assume that after that Jenova/Sephiroth wasn't their sole target.

I mean, they are released at the notheren crater where Jenova is, they leave the Northern Crater, then after Sephiroth erects a barrier they attack Shinra and the party.
10-11-2009, 03:43 AM
Elly

they still were not protecting Sephiroth... when they were released from the Northern Crater, it's because the crater is where they were originaly frozen/sleeping, they were releasd back into the world... because they were trying to wipe out all threats to Gaia i'm certain they would have gone back to the crater to take out Sephiroth & GENOVA's remains too if they could only get through that barrier when they were done taking out all the Mako Reactors...
10-11-2009, 02:52 PM
Jaffer

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Originally Posted by Elly

they still were not protecting Sephiroth... when they were released from the Northern Crater, it's because the crater is where they were originaly frozen/sleeping, they were releasd back into the world... because they were trying to wipe out all threats to Gaia i'm certain they would have gone back to the crater to take out Sephiroth & GENOVA's remains too if they could only get through that barrier when they were done taking out all the Mako Reactors...

Why wouldn't they do it there and then. The five of them were right on top of Sephiroth and Jenova, no barrier or anything standing in their way and they left. All five of them had something better to do. IF they wanted to take down Sephiroth and Diamond WEAPON could not have been more counterproductive to this end if he tried, it was at the bottom of their priority. I prefer the theory that Sephiroth after he gained control of Lifestream manipulated them to them just being retarded.
10-11-2009, 08:36 PM
Kyros

I prefer to think the weapons were going to just wipe everything off the face of the planet like their purpose was to do.
10-11-2009, 09:20 PM
VeloZer0

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I prefer to think the weapons were going to just wipe everything off the face of the planet like their purpose was to do.

That is how I always interpreted it.
10-11-2009, 10:55 PM
Elly

i can't explain why they didn't Kill Sephiroth before they left the crator, that's a question for the game creators (could have just been a plot device to keep the story moving)... but, it looked to me like they took off like an explosion, like they were launched out of their place of slumber... think of it like a volcano going off, the lava doesn't flow back into the volcano during it's eruption rather it flows out in a violent explosion... after waking up they prolly didn't just go straight to cleansing the planet, they may have been groggy and took a few hours before starting their rampage, they have been sleeping for a long time after all, technicaly they were just born, since they were stopped before their chance to be born after they were first created...

even when i first played it i never got the impression they were designed to destroy everything, but rather i got from Bugenhagen & Ilfana's speaches was that they were designed to clean out all impurities like they were the equivelant of white blood cells... considering most humans were native to the planet they had no reason to destroy those that were not harming Gaia, but would take out the ones responsible for syphoning out the lifestream for their own ends, and those infected with JENOVA cells since JENOVA was not native to Gaia...
10-12-2009, 10:09 PM
Crop

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Originally Posted by Elly

i can't explain why they didn't Kill Sephiroth before they left the crator, that's a question for the game creators (could have just been a plot device to keep the story moving)... but, it looked to me like they took off like an explosion, like they were launched out of their place of slumber... think of it like a volcano going off, the lava doesn't flow back into the volcano during it's eruption rather it flows out in a violent explosion... after waking up they prolly didn't just go straight to cleansing the planet, they may have been groggy and took a few hours before starting their rampage, they have been sleeping for a long time after all, technicaly they were just born, since they were stopped before their chance to be born after they were first created...

A good theory.
I always thought that they left the crator to stop Meteor, then realizing they couldn't get it (or get back in the crator) they just smashed up all other threats to the planet.
I still don't see what you mean by Diamond backing up to protect Sephiroth, looked like he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time - trying to go for the biggest threat to the planet that it could.

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