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That doesn't make him a bastard-child. A bastard is a child, born to a woman already married, from the sperm of another man. Since Miriam and Yossef weren't married... Miriam didn't give birth to a bastard-child, even though it wasn't Yossef's seed who got her pregnant.Quote:
Mary and Joseph weren't married when he was born.
Depends how you define "bastard". The dictionary definition is "A child born outside wedlock", or "A child born to two people who aren't married to each other". The marital status of the parents doesn't really matter, just that they aren't married to each other. They could both be single, or both be married to someone other than each other, etc.
So now you have the question of whether Mary was married to whoever/whatever fathered Jesus, i.e. was Mary married to God? The question almost makes no sense, since God can only be said to be the father of Jesus using a very non-standard definition of "father". I'd hesitate to use the word "bastard" to refer to Jesus. I'd say that Jesus had no real "father".
That's an...interesting claim (that Jesus is a bastard).
I realised that when I was reading the list of faiths, I have absolutely no idea what actual faith the 'Christians' are. Are you Catholic, Baptist, Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist, or what? Don't get me started with Protestant either. What church are you pls?
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Catholics and Protestants are both Christians. We believe that Christ was divine and was sent to Earth from God to die for us.
More specifically, the Protestants believe that all denominations of Christianity (Catholic, Baptist, Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc.) will go to Heaven. The Catholics probably believe this, too, but not being Catholic, I am not sure. However, we choose to practice our religion in different ways, a less formal one than Catholics do. We believe in the emotional, rather than the traditional form, of religion. Does that make sense? We don't believe that any man, such as a priest, is inherently closer to God than anyone else; that's why we don't have such things as that. We have deacons, who lead the Church, but those are very different from priests and bishops. I hope I solved your problem. I'm Baptist, so this is from my point of view.
James 2:14-26
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Roman Catholic.
Interesting points:
- Satanism was described as epicurean.
- Some believed that science was a religion... fallacy, science is empirical philosophy.
- Christians don't hate Gay people; it is just that God instructed his creations to produce in their own kind... Credit money (usury) is unnatural and so is homosexuality. Humans ultimately make the choice out of free will (even if gayness has root in genetic mutation)... simple, remain celibate! Gayness is just another temptation of sin, which is pretty rudimentary stuff, not exactly a great contradiction by any means.
- As for those who believe that God is yet to be proven, may I recommend Descartes?
- Doomgaze is not very fond of the reformation.
Completely and entirely incorrect. First, gay people can procreate and still be gay as long as there's a man and a woman present. And a lot of straight people don't procreate, they wouldn't be considered sinners. Second, human do not make a concious decision on which sex they will be attracted to. Humans don't sit down one day and way out the pros and cons of being gay or straight. Humans feel physical attraction before they can comprehend what physical attraction is. That makes the sensation innate, and thus natural. Third, Christians hate/loathe gay people(well not all, but many), that's not to say God hates gay people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Besimudo
This is what I thought this thread would develop into. Shouldn't it be in a different section of the forum?
Anyhow, I'll bite. I'm not religious or any religion persay, but I am spiritual and philosophical. I'll incorporate parts and portions of what I like into my own beliefs. Some of my favorite philosophies are Daoism and Deism, with a dash of Paganism and Buddhism thrown in.
::shrugs and shakes his head:: So much argument over personal beliefs.
I was baptized as Catholic when I was around 14, so I had the benefit of going to classes and learning about the religion before devoting myself to it. After taking classes, learning all I could about it, I decided to go through with it. But a year or so later, I decided on my own it just wasn't for me. So now, although I would love to believe, I'm Atheist.
And you see how Besimudo pushes away one bible quote, because it is inconvenient to his beliefs, while int he same breath insisting the Bible says homosexuality is wrong?
This is how Christians work.
Amen :-P
There are probably scripture references that say that as long as you believe in God, you will be saved. Actually Jen's journal speaks of one, where it says that as long as you do not ill-speak of the Holy Spirit you can still be saved.
So it's not absolutely necessary that you have faith and acts :D
Yes, I believe Peter says that.
I used to be a Christian, but I realized I didn't believe in the stuff... so now I'm an atheist. It's really weird, though. Everytime I tell somebody that I'm an atheist they always ask: "Why?". It bothers me, like they have something against atheists. I'm a non-believer, but still I don't criticise their religion!
I've read Descartes, including Meditation III. His "proof" never brought me closer to accept the existence of God, and I honestly think of it as a bit laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Besimudo