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I don't mean to be offensive, but I advise all Britons to be wary of the dangers of nationalism that will come in the immediate aftermath of these attacks. Do not allow yourself to be filled with national pride, or similar nonsense. Instead place your pride somewhere more productive. Be proud of the human spirit, and of human kind, but placing your pride in your country can have devastating results. I know that from first hand experiance.
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Originally Posted by Lady Selphie
It sucks. I started humming 'Why can't we be friends?' as soon as I heard the news.
It's sad, people have died and though they may be the type of commuters who never move for me when I want to get off the tube, they don't deserve death.
RIP guys, let's hope the trains work better up there.
But I hope this doesn't increase the march to bomb Iran or whatever random Muslim country is next on the list, that would only make things worse than better.
Also, I am very freaked out that the bus that explode is the same type as used on my route to and from school.
Remember guys, don't panic and don't let this stop us from living our lives, because that's what they don't want us to do.
CloudSquallandZidane: yet again you preach for the torture of people. no matter who has involved in this calling for them to be tortured in camp x-ray makes you as bad as them. no man should ever be tortured or degraded like that. the continuation of violence and eye for an eye views only drag us deeper into hate and violence. this act cannot opne the floodgates for revenge, a witch hunt, attrocities or degradation more than which has been done today.
as for what happened today. things have became more clear. there were 4 bombs in total. 3 in the tube. one on the bus. it is believed that the one that blew up on the bus was an accident and was also intended to be used on the underground but detonated accidently (ironicly it would be most successful). 37 are now confirmed dead (to be confirmed a doctor has to pronounce them so) so many may still be waiting to be counted. it is possible some bodies have not yet been recovered from the tube or in the case of the bus and trains the bodies may not be whole and so need to be collected together for a proper count. many peope are still in hospital with serious and life threatening injuries and some will die from them too.
considering the attack it was lucky more were not killed. i at first thought it would run into the hundreds. one unknown group has claimed responsibility but it is not clear if this is true.
justice for the men responsible for this must come. but with justice must come mercy and righteousness. we must not be pulled down with these men by degrading them any more than they have down themselves. they should be offered all rights that all other men and criminals have and this should not be taken away from them regardless of what crime they are accused and if so found guilty of.
It's not like the British public hasn't dealt with terrorism in the past. Still it doesn't make it any easier to cope with when it's that close to home. Go back to the Docklands or Lockerby bombings and think how scary that was, this really does eclipse them both for me personally, though in the grand scheme of things, no act of terrorism is can be compared to each other as they are all atrocious no matter the scale of the damage.
The scariest thing today for those not caught in the carnage or the aftermath, was when the mobile networks went down. I was trying to phone my friends in Central London to find out if they were O.K, which thankfully they were, and when the networks came up I was met with similar messages from shaky voiced friends and relatives.
The people claiming responsibility said something interesting in their statement..."Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters." London will continue tomorrow as normally as it possibly can, no one will be running, panicking or fearing anything. All emergency service statements thus far have commeneded nearly all involved in the services and the public for the manner in which they conducted themselves. Suffice to say, London has lived through a lot worse and its citizens, myself included, will not run scared from cowards.
Pfft. Mercy and righteousness? mercy and righteousness? Even if our opinion held ANY sway over the way things are going to happen, d you think the government is going to care? Do you think that relatives of the sufferers are going to care?
They'd care if they new that international terrorists were getting cushy treatment, while a loved one sleeps 6 feet under I can tell you that much.
I agree. I don't see myself as a cruel person at all, but those monsters who did it do not deserve good treatment at all. They're not normal criminals. I couldn't care if they were tortured, as they still wouldn't feel the pain of the people who lost loved ones. Maybe it makes me bad, but I like the eye for an eye mentality in some situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Quan
I'm not supporting a crazy hunt for anyone, or checking random Muslims as that's just not right, but when those people are caught, I know they won't be treated with mercy and love, and I'm glad.
While true, that's probably one of the worst things you could say to any victims of the attack so far. Of course the sensible head will think that, but until emotions calm down a little, statements like that are best left unsaid. Let people react, let them be angry, after all it's not like our opinions will change anything, only our actions.Quote:
justice for the men responsible for this must come. but with justice must come mercy and righteousness. we must not be pulled down with these men by degrading them any more than they have down themselves. they should be offered all rights that all other men and criminals have and this should not be taken away from them regardless of what crime they are accused and if so found guilty of.
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Originally Posted by Little Miss Awesome
i doubt the north would be bombed as the main cities would tighten up security damn schizos
the statement from the people that claim responsibilty seems to be false. why? the quoted the quran wrong. and fundamentalist muslims and extremists willing to go this far are extremely extremely picky about quoting the quran in 100% correctness.
rye and master quan. in times like this a level head must be kept. we cannot be drawn down like them. if we are to bring these men to justice, with justice must come the just and true. and we will not be these if we allow these men to be mistreated. and this is what they are after. it was practiced in ireland and what is practiced currently in chechnya and palestine.
the terrorist commit one attrocity the government bites back in the ways in which we have seen. the terrorists then jump up and down saying "look what they did this is why we have to fight them" and so they gain more support and so it goes on and on. at one point the cycle needs to end. and the only part of it we can end is ours. if we stop biting back at these people then they will have less to promote themselves with, less recruitment. do not turn the outcome of this attack into an advertisement campaign inviting for it to happen again.
an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
for interest this is the second biggest terrorist attack in britain. first being lockerbie and third being the omagh bombing.
the reason for the bus bomb. i had a second thought on the matter. the news. the picture of a red bus torn apart will be on the front page of every newspaper tomorrow. the tube trains cannot be accessed by the media and so they would be no picture of it for tomorrows newspaper. to get a picture like that on the front page is a coup for the terrorist as it will be a constant reminder in people's mind.
I agree with Cloud No.9. Bombing terrorists, capturing them and torturing them isn't going to heal those who were wounded in the bombings, nor will it bring back those who died. It will just add more fuel to the fire, so the terrorists will get more supporters. "Look how corrupt the Western people are! They bomb our villages, they put our people in prison camps and then torture them. We will no longer take this kind of insults!" And you know what's next? They do more bombings, more acts of terror. The cycle of terror is neverending if you keep answering violence and death with even more violence and death.
Drawn down to their level? I don't believe they've tortured any one yet.
You keep acting like saying "justice, honour, true blah blah" will make people suddenly realise "Whoa, I don't want to hurt the man who just bombed and killed my mum, No, I want to keep him in prison where the rest of his "crew" can drop some more bombs and set him free."
A wise old man once said to me:
"Violence solves nothing, but neither does doing nothing."
master quan i do not set out to change the world by posting in this forum.
i set out to change people's views who see what i post.
I just heard the news and I was very shocked. 37 have been confirmed dead and 700 people have been confirmed wounded... It's just so unbelievable and terrible..!
Al Queda, who is behind this disaster, has also threatened to attack Denmark and Italy if they don't take their soldiers out of Iraq. It's hard to comprehend, especially because I live in Denmark and Denmark has not been active in war for years, except helping the US out in Iraq, which is just ass-kissing in my opinion. I can't imagine how terrible it will be if Italy and Denmark are also attacked... It seems like it is becoming so personal all of a sudden..