GTA San Andreas now rated AO

Being able to roam the streets at will, slaughtering and robbing men and women and getting away with it - that's what I meant. Also, games such as these place absolutely no value on the lives of the characters who're murdered. It's different in a military sim, where your opponents are enemies in war. Even then, many games manage to give some sense of meaning to the lives of the enemy - the MGS series, for example. However, 'crime games' let you destroy lives, families and careers in the most grossly unjust way, without ever having any regard for what truly happens as a result. It's just a case of "I killed some guy and took his wallet", not "I killed a newlywed husband who was in his final year at medical school, and basically ruined the life of everyone who was close to him, including the people who saw him beaten to death in the street".

It's not just the severity of the violence, but also the type and intention of the violence which makes a difference.

Well, I didn't see it posted in here. If so, I am sorry. But I thought what Maddox said about this issue was awesome.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....ticket_to_hell

I wonder how the ESRB managed to miss the fact that you can kill people with a sexual object?

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It's just a case of "I killed some guy and took his wallet", not "I killed a newlywed husband who was in his final year at medical school, and basically ruined the life of everyone who was close to him, including the people who saw him beaten to death in the street."

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Well, that is the point. GTA has always been a simulator of what it's supposedly like being a criminal. Fast cars, fast women, adrenaline rush, living a consequence-free life. Criminals may worry about dying from time to time, but that doesn't stop them from being criminals. They don't turn themselves in. They don't ask for forgiveness.
GTA:SA presented a criminal who cared about his moms and his family. He just handled things the wrong way, his brother's way, the way they did growing up in a neighborhood filled with gang warfare and drugs. The effect this lifestyle had on his personality is revealed when he occasionally blurts out, "Call the army, I'm a m***f!!!**n' maniac!"

You know, I retract my earlier statements. As of this time, this era, the games are getting a little too adult to be rated 'M'. One day, 'AO' will be reserved for Maniac games: games in which you torture your enemies by slowly gutting them. Games where "consequence-free killing" includes running down small children with your car after a hard day at work. If we reserve the AO rating for games that are only the most outrageous or simply repugnant, we'll end up with games like that. Because although today there is question as to why any sane person would want to play games of that context, one day, that question may no longer be.

My parents bought it for me last christmas. I'm fourteen.
They trust my little brother (10yrs) and I to know better than that game. But parents can never be too sure...I didn't think they'd get it for me, let alone let my little brother play it. Another reason kids shouldn't play this game is because it can make some numb. They could see some guy die and be like, "meh."

And there's another game, Threads of Fate, it got an E rating. I don't see how zelda could get a teen rating and threads of fate an E. I'd hardly call "I'M GONNA GET YOU, YOU (expletive) B******" They actually put (expletive), i'd hardly call that E rated dialogue. And there's the violence.

GTASA is going to back on shelves though isn't it?

If you guys havent seen click here for maddoxs opinion

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Being able to roam the streets at will, slaughtering and robbing men and women and getting away with it - that's what I meant. Also, games such as these place absolutely no value on the lives of the characters who're murdered. It's different in a military sim, where your opponents are enemies in war. Even then, many games manage to give some sense of meaning to the lives of the enemy - the MGS series, for example. However, 'crime games' let you destroy lives, families and careers in the most grossly unjust way, without ever having any regard for what truly happens as a result. It's just a case of "I killed some guy and took his wallet", not "I killed a newlywed husband who was in his final year at medical school, and basically ruined the life of everyone who was close to him, including the people who saw him beaten to death in the street".

It's not just the severity of the violence, but also the type and intention of the violence which makes a difference.

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Actually, I was being a bit sarcastic. Of course a game's worst consequence will be that you lose a life or maybe even - horrors - have to start again. The point is, the game isn't about dealing with consequences, it's about having fun. If anyone over the age of about 13 or 14 plays things like this and is actually influenced by them, then I would suggest they have some sort of psychiatric condition, or have not been properly raised.

That's what I mean. I feel that's exactly what justifies having a ratings and restriction system on software of this type.

I emailed rockstar and they said that its not official yet but there are plans to re-release it.

Anyway, when you read the warning label M what do you guys expect from it?

Also has anyone actually seen the coffee mod, did it actually show them having sex and show nudity?

I hope Hilary Clinton doesnt see God of War. lol

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However, 'crime games' let you destroy lives, families and careers in the most grossly unjust way, without ever having any regard for what truly happens as a result.

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But nothing happens as a result because it's a game

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I hope Hilary Clinton doesnt see God of War. lol

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I hope Hilary Clinton gets shipped off to war. lol

GTA wasn't that good of a game, athough before my brother stole it from me, I did enjoy messing around in GTA 3... lol

In my opinion, this game (GTA SA) shouldn't be given to anyone under 16 or 17... But it doesn't deserve an AO rating... even if sexual matterial was there, it was COMPLETELY HIDDEN and not accessable in the game. Only through 3rd party software, was the sexual part of the game even viewable!

I'd like to first point out that people Like Hillary Clinton are attention seekers... as well as the grandma thats sueing take two, cause she GAVE HER 14yo GRANDSON the game... (btw, she doesn't even have a case there, cause the game was M which still means you can't give it to a <17yo...) AND the loyar thats sueing EA for the mods of Sims 2.
BTW, there are mods (completely 3rd party) out there for Sims 2 that even include child porn mods... but mods can't be held against a game, cause if it was a lot of games would be illegal in most countries...
Which is why, GTA shouldn't be in trouble for this... Because it NEEDED a mod (a 3rd party software) to access the sexually explicit content. Honestly, I dont see a difference!
The people who spoke out against the game, are the same kind of people that had problems with original Mortal Kombat games back when the blood feature was scaring people. XD Which by todays standards is completely harmless.
They just wanted attention, or money... Or maybe they just wanted to be complete jerks, and just force MORE cencorship on games...

Unfortunetly, this incedent will probably force game ratings to a new lvl... >_> which will once again limit what the can be put in games... stifling artistic creation among games.(although I'd never consider GTA art xD)...
I'm serious, this event was all censorship people needed to continue their fight against videogames...>_>

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That's what I mean. I feel that's exactly what justifies having a ratings and restriction system on software of this type.

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Fully agreed. So long as the ratings and suchlike can be overridden by parental say-so, I've no major qualms with a rating system.

Honestly, everyone is so worried over sex in this damn country. I mean for christ's sake, there are more problems out there other than sex! There are people getting shot over in Iraq, people starving, people dieing of diseases, drug problems and alcholism and they go after something that is a minor thing. Hilary Clinton is a bitch and the only reason she did this is to mis-direct every ones attention off of the real problems in this world and blame it on something that takes part in 95% of everyones lives everyday. Maybe shes trying to justify her husband cheating on her and make her feel big for doing this. A little nudity wont hurt anybody. To say sex is wrong is saying what recreates life wrong.


Oh and on the topic of companies becoming more strict with ratings, me and my cousin stopped in a gamestop today because he wanted to pickup a copy of Ninja Gaiden and he was asked for ID. Thats complete bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]

i'm just glad i didn't buy a PC version. Mines for ps2 so my parents still let me play.