Whats wrong with planning a childs sex?

I don't see anything wrong with it, any more than there is anything wrong with 1st trimester abortions.

However, I don't see any point to it. Why would someone go to so much trouble to have a child of a particular sex? It just doesn't make sense to me.

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Originally Posted by bipper

HAHa!

No I am just talking about the prefect race. Hitler wanted this above all. Everyone to be full blooded german :) I am just merly saying that if we could alter all the other genetics as well, what is to stop us from making a supposed supirror race? On that I am saying that hitlers view on making the perfect race was evil, not the fact that genetic alteration is evil because he did it.

Thanks for the heads up on vegetarians though! :p

Bipper

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But if it occurs through creation (Which is what this would be) as opposed to destruction (The holocaust, ethnic cleansing, things like that), then where is the problem?

It basically comes down to what you belive in. I can't sway people either way, as thier are so many different debates outside the scope of this thread.

Basically I see humans playing with thier own evolution as a dead end road. Basically, we don't know everything we should before we do it. We might decide that having an IQ of 190 is good accross the board, what we may not see is that the other traits that may go with being _stupid_ (I use this saying that anything under 190 in a cardboard cut out world would in deed be stupid if not viewed as reatarded). There is a reason that we reproduce sexually and that genes are created with recesive/dominant pairs. Certain recesive traits that we may not think we will need, would infact get ripped out of our system.

Then you look at the fact of who could afford such a procedure... The rich will become god like while the poor become more magatized by the rich. Not suprisingly, I would rather be the poor in this rate. As controling such things in a person would indeed destroy our planet on seemingly every level. But that is just my narro foresight.

EDIT: btw milf i noticed your worth more than me on the other thread... that makes you a better person. (Sarcastically of course in relation to the article.) I think that system for defining price would be taken into consideration when altering.

Bipper

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Originally Posted by bipper

Basically I see humans playing with thier own evolution as a dead end road. Basically, we don't know everything we should before we do it. We might decide that having an IQ of 190 is good accross the board, what we may not see is that the other traits that may go with being _stupid_ (I use this saying that anything under 190 in a cardboard cut out world would in deed be stupid if not viewed as reatarded). There is a reason that we reproduce sexually and that genes are created with recesive/dominant pairs. Certain recesive traits that we may not think we will need, would infact get ripped out of our system.

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Actually, that is a fairly reasonable reason to be worried about it. It's rare that science - or anything else - can see all the ends of their actions. I doubt that we'd go tearing out great big strands of DNA which we will end up needing in a decade's time, but obviously I think these things should be thoroughly investigated before being carried out.

Less fortunately, the only way to do these tests is, well, to do the tests. You can't use computer simulation without the data, and animals could react completely differently to thinks being added or removed.

However, it must be said there's a big difference between a treatment which decides one gender or the other, and a procedure which actually alters the base genetic code of a person.

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

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Why? And theyre giving it life in the first place, Why the heck cant they be picky if being pickys an option? And in the average case (when its not in China or something along those lines)what real difference will it make?

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Because they are the parents, not the child. Just because they are giving the child life, does not mean that they deserve any kind of control over the childs body.

Parents don't deserve "rights" over their children. A parent is obligated to provide and get nothing in return. Don't like it? Don't have children.

Nobody deserves control over the physical body of another human being, fetus, sperm, egg, etc. except for the individual himself. No exceptions,

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oh please, I still dont see what difference it will make at all. It wont harm absaloutely anyone in the slightest. If it makes no difference at all then since Im into logic and all that then there can be exceptions. If you dont like it try coming up with some decent reason not to do it.

Wow, I am sorry. Prehapse you wouldn't mind telling me exactly what is 'illogical' about my posts? Please, by all means do. Unless of course you just wanted to bump the discussion :D

I do think that answer presented by the opposition is perfectly fine. Nothing illogical about any of it really.

Bipper

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Originally Posted by bipper

Wow, I am sorry. Prehapse you wouldn't mind telling me exactly what is 'illogical' about my posts? Please, by all means do. Unless of course you just wanted to bump the discussion :D

I do think that answer presented by the opposition is perfectly fine. Nothing illogical about any of it really.

Bipper

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I was responding to Nic0tine. Are you using a second account?

Anyway, its Because outside of places like China and countries where sexs arent treated equally deciding someones sex would have no negative or postitive effects. Is there any reason to decide the sex in the first place? Nope, just preference. Is there any reason to stop it or see it as a bad thing? Heck no.

I was boasting my other account Nik0tine's views. I think they are fine views to have. Based mainly on his beliefs and moarality, his beleifs are just fine.

There are and will be issues with planning a childs sex. We can (and have in this thread) speculate the emotional effects. Aside from that there are side effects as gene theropy is a pioneering technolgy.

I still feel that Milf and I had come to a fairly fair(?) foreshadowing of events that can occor later down the road. Back to the subject at hand, I would like to think that parents should have respect for thier child. Treating them like some customizable commodity is just wrong.

There is a lot easier way to do this is there not? Incemination using a sperm which is found to contain the Y chromozome. I would not have a problem with this; as you are not affecting an already existing life. The point that you are treating your child like a comodity is the only thing you will have to live with.

It is gene theropy that I hate with a passion. Manipulating DNA of any living being should not be so carelessly used and tossed around. If this road is followed, our chilren will become more like robots when every parent wants them to be 'perfect'

Bipper

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Originally Posted by ShunNakamura

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Originally Posted by Asorie

I agree with ed; it's dangerous primarily because of the way many cultures value men over women. When you get to a certain point and the females have been eliminated from a population, there arise serious social concerns as well as problems perpetuating a population.

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Well I don't think this would be too much of a problem. First, particually in the begining, the opporation will likely be somewhat pricey(prolly not ultra so.. but enough to keep anyone from doing it). And since most countries I know of where the projected scenario would be really bad, have many poorer people.. I really do doubt that it would occur on a large enough scale to get rid of them.

Second... well once females became more scarce.. they would have more value attached to them.. after all males like to have females around.. once more value was attached their would prolly be more to choose it. Though this may or may not happen I could easily see it happen.

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I agree with your theories.
Even less female babys would die, better said, get killed.
A lot of female babys get killed in these countrys.And since you can ask for your babys gender while pregnancy a lot of abortions were done in these countries, too. I don't think, that I have to mention the reason...

But that doesn't mean that I would ever wanted to choose my Babys gender!