starving is also the product of not working in a capitalist society and even more so in a laissez-faire one.
so where's the beef?
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starving is also the product of not working in a capitalist society and even more so in a laissez-faire one.
so where's the beef?
In a capitalist society the able (And yes, sometimes the lucky) can earn their lifetime's keep in a few years. People start their own business, run it well, and retire at 40. I say good for them. How can I say this under Communism?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
Edit: At any rate my point wasn't that capitalism didn't in a way necessitate this, it was that claims that Communism doesn't employ force are farcical.
all economic systems employ force in that manner. wanna eat? then work.
I know that. Sweet Jesus. I've been saying exactly that. My point is that claims such as "Nothing happens,(No literally) they wont recieve nothing you dont work you wont recieve the benefits." are hardly examples of anything other than the application of force.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
then to have any society that doesn't apply any such force you need to give everyone everything required. that's socialism..........
No, you need to have a system which gives everyone everything required without requiring anything in exchange. And I mean time and expertise, not money. If there was a system whereby everyone had everything they needed, and nobody anywhere had to work to produce any of it, then I would support that system fully. Socialism is not that system. Unless there's a legion of Swedish robots I don't know about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
What's the possibility of that buisness ever succeding? Very low, Restuarants which have the lowest possibility to failer, Has a 75 percent of failing. And what do you get under Capitailism if you dont work? And just how much do workers get? They have to compensate with instant noodle's and fast food. And if they lose a job it's a pain to find one it would take weeks even months. While under communism there is always a job. If your dont work under Communism and starve to death it's because of your own stupidity and lazyness.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
Do you know how many times the US goverment has lied to you guys for? Come on "Terrorist who hate freedom" i cant believe anyone believes something so far fetched. Not to mention the incredible ammount of hate for Communism in the US which was because of propaganda.Quote:
Exactly. You're not negating my point (US propoganda? WTF?).
That also happens under Capitailism but it's not because of that person falt. You boss decides your pay, if he lowers it you have to accept. If you quit you'll be spending weeks or even months looking for another job. In which untill then you recieve nothing.Quote:
They recieve nothing, and since you can't BUY anything, they startve to death.
Fair point on that one. However, the job I could get will be extremely limited: It will be either whatever everyone else doesn't want to do, or it will be a piece of sheer luck which frees a decent job up quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFGuevara
Actually, the Communism didn't need much propoganda. It is so antithetical to every single value America was founded on that it was pertty superfluous to tell people how evil it was.Quote:
Do you know how many times the US goverment has lied to you guys for? Come on "Terrorist who hate freedom" i cant believe anyone believes something so far fetched. Not to mention the incredible ammount of hate for Communism in the US which was because of propaganda.Quote:
Exactly. You're not negating my point (US propoganda? WTF?).
Oh yeah, and Stalin killed tens of millions of people. That's always good for propoganda.
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That also happens under Capitailism but it's not because of that person falt. You boss decides your pay, if he lowers it you have to accept. If you quit you'll be spending weeks or even months looking for another job. In which untill then you recieve nothing.Quote:
They recieve nothing, and since you can't BUY anything, they startve to death.
It's called saving up and investing wisely.
You can choose you job even if they need people for other job's.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
[quote]What point? The one which was cooked up by the united states?Quote:
Exactly. You're not negating my point (US propoganda? WTF?).
Yeah at a American point of view.Quote:
Actually, the Communism didn't need much propoganda. It is so antithetical to every single value America was founded on that it was pertty superfluous to tell people how evil it was.
So your goverment based it on Stalin and Stalinism that is propaganda? Stalin can burn. And he actually killed 1.4 million.Quote:
Oh yeah, and Stalin killed tens of millions of people. That's always good for propoganda.
With what? They need to eat and live somewhere. At some point they'll run out of money if they dont work for long.Quote:
It's called saving up and investing wisely.
stalin killed approximately 50 million.
You have no idea of how Communism would actually work in reality, do you? You do not own yourself. 'The People' own you..Quote:
Originally Posted by FFGuevara
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Do you know how many times the US goverment has lied to you guys for? Come on "Terrorist who hate freedom" i cant believe anyone believes something so far fetched. Not to mention the incredible ammount of hate for Communism in the US which was because of propaganda.Quote:
Exactly. You're not negating my point (US propoganda? WTF?).
Yeah at a American point of view.Quote:
Actually, the Communism didn't need much propoganda. It is so antithetical to every single value America was founded on that it was pertty superfluous to tell people how evil it was.
, that was what I just said. :rolleyes2 A view completely opposing everything you stand for is pretty close to evil.
In the history of Earth, only Mao and Genghis Khan have killed more. Thirty million, excluding WW2, is a generous estimate. It was probably far higher.Quote:
So your goverment based it on Stalin and Stalinism that is propaganda? Stalin can burn. And he actually killed 1.4 million.Quote:
Oh yeah, and Stalin killed tens of millions of people. That's always good for propoganda.
With what? They need to eat and live somewhere. At some point they'll run out of money if they dont work for long.[/QUOTE]Quote:
It's called saving up and investing wisely.
With the money they are getting WHEN THEY HAVE A JOB. My God, does it really escape people so much to not buy Black and White 2, and save the fifty bucks up in case something happens? And they use the money they save up to carry them over in case of redundancy. And that's why one has friends and family.
Easy Pickings for warmongering nations
Sort of. It was the sort of society the Founding Fathers had sort of envisoned. Whatever the conservatives might claim here in America, they are not what the founders wanted when they came upon America. I mean, hell, most of them were athiests, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyara
A country ruled by paranioa? Huh, sounds like the U.S. right now. What danger level are we on again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9