Abortion!

Lol, just noticed something; we can see who voted for what in this poll…

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I think the only situation a woman should be given the choice to have an abortion is if she has been raped and become pregnant.

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Heh. The choice is hers, whether someone would grant it to her or not.

Out of curiosity for those who said that the father should have just as much say over the pregnancy... what if he said "no" even though she wanted an abortion?

If they went ahead and did it anyway, do you honestly believe that there should be laws punishing women for invoking a right that involves their body?

I honestly hope that one day the human race will mutate and men will become pregnant instead. The abortion rate would probably be fifty times higher and perhaps then most men will have a different perspective on the issue since it will be their bodies dealing with unwanted pregnancies. And stretch marks.

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Originally Posted by Yooniece

Heh. The choice is hers, whether someone would grant it to her or not.

Out of curiosity for those who said that the father should have just as much say over the pregnancy... what if he said "no" even though she wanted an abortion?

If they went ahead and did it anyway, do you honestly believe that there should be laws punishing women for invoking a right that involves their body?

I honestly hope that one day the human race will mutate and men will become pregnant instead. The abortion rate would probably be fifty times higher and perhaps then most men will have a different perspective on the issue since it will be their bodies dealing with unwanted pregnancies. And stretch marks.

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I agree completely.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Remembered what else I wanted to say.


My opinion is, if they try to kill somebody else, they take the chance of having something bad happen to them, like such infections, sterilization, etc. If I try to enter your house and attack you, and you hurt me, I have no right to complain because I got what was coming to me. It's that simple.

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So your saying that if a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to keep the baby, she deserves to die or get hurt? If thats the case, that's really ironic

How is that ironic?

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Originally Posted by Little Miss Awesome

So your saying that if a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to keep the baby, she deserves to die or get hurt? If thats the case, that's really ironic

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I'm saying if a woman wants to murder her baby, she takes with that decision the risk of something bad happening to her. Most women don't know all of the risks involved in abortion (because, conveniently, the risks usually aren't told to them), but even so, when you set out to murder a child, don't complain that something bad happened to you in the process. The way I figure, the more women sterilized during abortions, the better -- if you can't respect the life of that child, you shouldn't have the ability to bring another child into the world.

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Originally Posted by Yooniece

Heh. The choice is hers, whether someone would grant it to her or not.

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According to current laws, and the views of society, the choice is hers. Both might change. And I don't see how it's anybody's choice to murder another person that's done absolutely nothing to deserve it.

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Out of curiosity for those who said that the father should have just as much say over the pregnancy... what if he said "no" even though she wanted an abortion?

If they went ahead and did it anyway, do you honestly believe that there should be laws punishing women for invoking a right that involves their body?

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I think women who get abortions should be punished, regardless. But in the case you're trying to convey, it would just be a civil suit, and yes, they deserve them. It's not just their body, it's the body of another person.

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I honestly hope that one day the human race will mutate and men will become pregnant instead. The abortion rate would probably be fifty times higher and perhaps then most men will have a different perspective on the issue since it will be their bodies dealing with unwanted pregnancies. And stretch marks.

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And I hope you people stop using tactics like sexism to convey your message. But I doubt that will ever happen.

You use the word murder like its a real person. Its not. Its becoming one and its a different situation. The embryo/fetus cant feel the way you and I can and by the time its developed enough to be considered much more than a vegetable its illegal to have an abortion.

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Originally Posted by Destai

You use the word murder like its a real person. Its not. Its becoming one and its a different situation. The embryo/fetus cant feel the way you and I can and by the time its developed enough to be considered much more than a vegetable its illegal to have an abortion.

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Actually, yes, it can feel, react to changes in the environment, respond to stimuli, etc. Just like (wouldn't you know it) a little person. Which is why people consider it to be, well, a little person. It has a heartbeat, structure, nervous system, internal organs, you name it. Remember, you're also supporting the idea that anybody caring for somebody with a mental handicap should have the choice whether or not to have that person murdered.

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Originally Posted by Destai

You use the word murder like its a real person. Its not. Its becoming one and its a different situation. The embryo/fetus cant feel the way you and I can and by the time its developed enough to be considered much more than a vegetable its illegal to have an abortion.

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yes technically thats right...

an embryo/foetus of a human is very similar to that of a chicken, lizard, frog and fish before definite human features appear...

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Actually, yes, it can feel, react to changes in the environment, respond to stimuli, etc. Just like (wouldn't you know it) a little person. Which is why people consider it to be, well, a little person. It has a heartbeat, structure, nervous system, internal organs, you name it. Remember, you're also supporting the idea that anybody caring for somebody with a mental handicap should have the choice whether or not to have that person murdered.

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That's right, there is scientific evidenct to prove this.
This is a little section from the internet:
Modern technology, including sonograms, E.E.G’s (measure brainwaves), and fiber-optic imaging has allowed us to learn that:

- activity in the thalamus area, where the brain’s pain center is located, can be measured between the eighth and tenth week of life,3

- the fetus reacts to sounds inside and outside the womb, even moving the hands to cover the ears in response to loud music, and hands or arms to cover the eyes in response to bright light stimuli often used in embryoscopy (in womb fiber-optic ‘video cameras’ for viewing the embryo and early fetus)

- At eight weeks, fetuses have been documented to respond to various stimuli against the skin including tickling

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Actually, yes, it can feel, react to changes in the environment, respond to stimuli, etc. Just like (wouldn't you know it) a little person. Which is why people consider it to be, well, a little person. It has a heartbeat, structure, nervous system, internal organs, you name it. Remember, you're also supporting the idea that anybody caring for somebody with a mental handicap should have the choice whether or not to have that person murdered.

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Of course its gonna react. Imagine how fast its growing. The ammount it can feel early on at the time when the abortion is carried out isnt anything like what you or I can feel so it cant be compared to that sortve murder. Most abortions are done extremely early in the pregnancy. Its preventing life from beginning. Not ending life in the middle of it.
The mental handicap part is an interesting argument that I havent thought about. Im not sure either that its fair to compare a handicapped person to a fetus/embryo. Personally I didnt think it made much difference wether Schiavo was alive or not.

If it’s just a matter of unplugging someone…but then that isn’t on topic, is it?

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Originally Posted by Destai

Of course its gonna react. Imagine how fast its growing. The ammount it can feel early on at the time when the abortion is carried out isnt anything like what you or I can feel so it cant be compared to that sortve murder. Most abortions are done extremely early in the pregnancy. Its preventing life from beginning. Not ending life in the middle of it.
The mental handicap part is an interesting argument that I havent thought about. Im not sure either that its fair to compare a handicapped person to a fetus/embryo. Personally I didnt think it made much difference wether Schiavo was alive or not.

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It doesn't matter how much they can feel, only that they can feel. As Cait Sith pointed out, response to sounds, light, and also motion, pressure, and touch. Does it matter that they aren't as sensitive as you or I?

As for mentally handicapped. I don't think, in either case, anybody should be allowed to murder another innocent human being. Whether that person relies on a machine or a womb to survive.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

As for mentally handicapped. I don't think, in either case, anybody should be allowed to murder another innocent human being. Whether that person relies on a machine or a womb to survive.

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As I said before, if the person who relies on the machine doesn't have the funds to pay for it the state government, federal government or hostpital will just let them die. Unless you are advocating that the government pay fully for anyone on life support...which would be an insane waste of tax payer dollars.

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Originally Posted by ThroneofDravaris

Wow, another topic that really should have gone in EoTW/EoEO, yet didn’t for some mysterious reason….

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You are right. But I knew many people would pay attention to it if it were here, but it should be moved to EoEO really.