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05-29-2006, 03:10 PM
bipper

Well at the end of June, I will be grabbing chickents and hacking off their heads, defeathering them, and gutting them. My inlaws have done this for years, and its somthing I rolled into. Luckily chickens are very distant to pain, and thier not so pick with thier living conditions.

Also, think of the crap chickens go through in the wild - they rarely make it. Domesticated chickens have been dumbed down to the point where they can die by looking up when it rains, and they get water in thier mouth then drown. Its sad.

Bipper
05-29-2006, 03:27 PM
Madame Adequate

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

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And he is perfectly within his rights to base his considerations on the matter on his religious views. What the hell is someone going to base their ethics on, a viewpoint they don't agree with?

His right to free speech has nothing to do with this. Just because he has 'the right' does not mean that he is in 'the right'.

Whether he's right about this particular issue or not is neither here nor there. What's wrong is telling him he can't bring religion into it, when it's clearly the basis for his morality, at least when it comes to this issue. That's basically saying you can't base your morality on anything, because if you discard an opinion on the basis of nothing except that it has a religious source, someone can equally turn around and tell us our opinions are invalid because they come from ourselves/Mill/Kant/whoever.

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Originally Posted by Lekana

Same as it's a chickens nature to be eaten.
Now don't go "OMG it is not thier nature to be eaten" think about it. If we weren't here what would eat a chicken? Nearly everything. I know my dogs love to chase chickens about and if i wasn't there we'd have some dead chickens lying around.

There are plenty of creatures out there who would readily kill Humans, would you contend that it is our nature to be killed by grizzlies, for instance? No. Just because a creature commonly meets a certain end, or fulfills a certain role, does not mean it is 'in their nature'. A part of nature, yes. But in their nature suggests it is something they actively seek out, conciously or otherwise. Clearly the only things which actively try to get eaten are plant seeds and (I think) some parasites. Chickens do not gain from being eaten, therefore it cannot be said that they are designed to be eaten.
05-29-2006, 03:36 PM
Anaisa

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Originally Posted by Fantasy Fan

oh come on. You really don't get PETA do you. Well this is the things PETA hates:

All meat restaurants
Animal testing
Farms
Pets
Animal Pounds
Zoos
And anything else to do with animals.

If you look at PETA's bill for rescuing animals, you'd see that they spend nearly $10,000 on a walk-in freezer. Now think about it, a freezer that big would have to be 10ft by 15ft. Why would PETA want a freezer that big? One of two reasons.

1. Meat which no-one in PETA would be caught dead with.
2. Cadavres. And guess what, from Ingrid Newkirke herself "Sometimes the only kind treatments for animals, is putting them to sleep forever." PETA kills more than 2/3 of the animals they save.

And what about animal testing? Animal testing saves millions of other animals through technology and they're trying to stop it??? Some people of PETA even use medicines FROM animal testing. Suprised?

for more information on PETA, watch /xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]]this video

My internet connection is messed up at the moment, so I can't watch that video. PETA does not kill more than two thirds of the Animals they save. The majority of Animals they save or are trying to save aren't even in the care of PETA, so it's not even possible for them to kill the Animals. PETA disagrees with meat eating, so obviously they don't condone restaurants serving meat. PETA don't disagree with all farming, just animal farming. PETA does not disagree with the keeping of pets, or Animal pounds. The statistics on how many Animals are killed by PETA, is based on the number of Animals that PETA has euthanised, that are sick. PETA does not run an Animal shelter, the Animals that PETA keeps are sick Animals only. Which is where those statistics come from. They are only receiving Animals that are suffering and need to be euthanised. So there not killing the majority of Animals they save. They euthanize Animals that are suffering. They have tried to receive financial backing to open up their own shelters, but have not been able to do so. As far as zoos go, I agree that keeping Animals in a zoo is not a good idea purely for people to come and look at them. But as long as a zoo is aiding conservation with breeding programmes, and helping to raise money for Animals, and their enclosures are of a certain standard, then I don't think they are a bad thing. It's not surprising that Peta would need a fridge of that size, which is most likely used for storing Animal bodies before they can be removed. Just because you disagree with Animal testing, doesn't mean you're are wrong for using medication that has been tested on Animals. If their was an option to take medication that was tested on humans only, then I'm sure that's what they would take. Whether people have been helped by Animal testing is irrelevent. Because we would have benefitted alot more by testing on Humans alone for medication that is intended for Human use. We have rapists, murderers, etc, that we could use to test on. We don't need to test on Animals, unless we're developing medication that is intended for an Animal.
05-29-2006, 03:39 PM
Freya

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Originally Posted by bipper

Well at the end of June, I will be grabbing chickents and hacking off their heads, defeathering them, and gutting them. My inlaws have done this for years, and its somthing I rolled into. Luckily chickens are very distant to pain, and thier not so pick with thier living conditions.

Also, think of the crap chickens go through in the wild - they rarely make it. Domesticated chickens have been dumbed down to the point where they can die by looking up when it rains, and they get water in thier mouth then drown. Its sad.

Bipper

Yeah,

and they eat thier own poo you know.
05-29-2006, 04:08 PM
ff7+ff10 gurl 100

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Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really

does it matter if their tortured? there gonna die anyways

:eep:
05-29-2006, 04:08 PM
Zante

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If their was an option to take medication that was tested on humans only, then I'm sure that's what they would take.

Shows where their priorities lie, I would say.
05-29-2006, 04:20 PM
Fantasy Fan

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Originally Posted by Anaisa

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Originally Posted by Fantasy Fan

oh come on. You really don't get PETA do you. Well this is the things PETA hates:

All meat restaurants
Animal testing
Farms
Pets
Animal Pounds
Zoos
And anything else to do with animals.

If you look at PETA's bill for rescuing animals, you'd see that they spend nearly $10,000 on a walk-in freezer. Now think about it, a freezer that big would have to be 10ft by 15ft. Why would PETA want a freezer that big? One of two reasons.

1. Meat which no-one in PETA would be caught dead with.
2. Cadavres. And guess what, from Ingrid Newkirke herself "Sometimes the only kind treatments for animals, is putting them to sleep forever." PETA kills more than 2/3 of the animals they save.

And what about animal testing? Animal testing saves millions of other animals through technology and they're trying to stop it??? Some people of PETA even use medicines FROM animal testing. Suprised?

for more information on PETA, watch /xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]]this video

My internet connection is messed up at the moment, so I can't watch that video. PETA does not kill more than two thirds of the Animals they save. The majority of Animals they save or are trying to save aren't even in the care of PETA, so it's not even possible for them to kill the Animals. PETA disagrees with meat eating, so obviously they don't condone restaurants serving meat. PETA don't disagree with all farming, just animal farming. PETA does not disagree with the keeping of pets, or Animal pounds. The statistics on how many Animals are killed by PETA, is based on the number of Animals that PETA has euthanised, that are sick. PETA does not run an Animal shelter, the Animals that PETA keeps are sick Animals only. Which is where those statistics come from. They are only receiving Animals that are suffering and need to be euthanised. So there not killing the majority of Animals they save. They euthanize Animals that are suffering. They have tried to receive financial backing to open up their own shelters, but have not been able to do so. As far as zoos go, I agree that keeping Animals in a zoo is not a good idea purely for people to come and look at them. But as long as a zoo is aiding conservation with breeding programmes, and helping to raise money for Animals, and their enclosures are of a certain standard, then I don't think they are a bad thing. It's not surprising that Peta would need a fridge of that size, which is most likely used for storing Animal bodies before they can be removed. Just because you disagree with Animal testing, doesn't mean you're are wrong for using medication that has been tested on Animals. If their was an option to take medication that was tested on humans only, then I'm sure that's what they would take. Whether people have been helped by Animal testing is irrelevent. Because we would have benefitted alot more by testing on Humans alone for medication that is intended for Human use. We have rapists, murderers, etc, that we could use to test on. We don't need to test on Animals, unless we're developing medication that is intended for an Animal.

well can someone else watch the video and see I'm right.
05-29-2006, 04:30 PM
Anaisa

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Originally Posted by GLR

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If their was an option to take medication that was tested on humans only, then I'm sure that's what they would take.

Shows where their priorities lie, I would say.

There priority is stopping cruelty to Animals. Them not taking the medication would not do that.

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Originally Posted by Fantasy Fan

well can someone else watch the video and see I'm right.

Can you not just tell me what the video contains?
05-29-2006, 05:14 PM
theundeadhero

Did anyone else notice that the chick de-beaking was the same video played in a loop?

Every other food place does the same thing. PETA just hasn't made a video about it.
05-29-2006, 05:26 PM
nik0tine

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Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really

does it matter if their tortured? there gonna die anyways

Did it matter that the jews were tortured in the Spanish inquisition? Most of them were going to die anyway.
05-29-2006, 05:39 PM
Tifa's Real Lover(really

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

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Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really

does it matter if their tortured? there gonna die anyways

Did it matter that the jews were tortured in the Spanish inquisition? Most of them were going to die anyway.

doesnt matter, but it wouldnt be good to be those that survived
05-29-2006, 05:51 PM
Roto13

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Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

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Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really

does it matter if their tortured? there gonna die anyways

Did it matter that the jews were tortured in the Spanish inquisition? Most of them were going to die anyway.

doesnt matter, but it wouldnt be good to be those that survived

By your logic, you'd just as soon die a slow, painful death as die peacefully in your sleep.
05-29-2006, 05:59 PM
Fantasy Fan

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Originally Posted by Anaisa

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Originally Posted by GLR

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If their was an option to take medication that was tested on humans only, then I'm sure that's what they would take.

Shows where their priorities lie, I would say.

There priority is stopping cruelty to Animals. Them not taking the medication would not do that.

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Originally Posted by Fantasy Fan

well can someone else watch the video and see I'm right.

Can you not just tell me what the video contains?

Yeah, it's half an episode of Penn and Teller Bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. Penn and Teller are entertainers and this series is about, well Bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. they tell you things you might already believe to be true, and they say it's not with evidence and facts. Some of their episodes are: ESP, Circumcision, Alternative medicines, Self help classes, Alien abductions, and a lot of other stuff that aren't what they seem. PETA is one of them. It's like a "behind the scenes" series. here's another link in a different media.

and here's an article.
05-29-2006, 06:03 PM
Roto13

That link isn't working because the filter is replacing the second half of one word with the HTML tags for the skulls. Bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. Just copy the link and replace the tags with the letters. I'm surprised nobody said anything until now.
05-29-2006, 06:05 PM
nik0tine

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Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

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Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really

does it matter if their tortured? there gonna die anyways

Did it matter that the jews were tortured in the Spanish inquisition? Most of them were going to die anyway.

doesnt matter, but it wouldnt be good to be those that survived

Jesus.

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