Turns out the 360 really did compromise the PS3 version

Fans really love to bitch.

The first thing I'm going to throw out is, I don't understand what possible drives a person to want something to be exclusive just so XBOX, Wii, PS3 or whatever owners cannot play it, don't tell me, "I was afraid it was going to get compromised." People where cheering while it was exclusive, just because XBOX owners couldn't get it.

Second, the changes seem very minute. The availability of quests at different times will actually be fun to me, taking me back to the FFV, VII, VIII, and IX days. And Japanese voices? Realistically I wasn't going to use that anyway, and fans that complain 'Well I was.' it isn't a terribly important part of gameplay.

Unless there's a quest, or element of gameplay that is truly removed, I support Enix's decision as it will make them more money and make the game more available to me and my friends.

EDIT: I'd like to note that this is posted from someone with both an XBOX and a PS3 (due to my brother's overspending).

Throw in the fact that the Japanese Voice track wasn't even a planned option to begin with and simply fan speculation you've got people complaining about features being removed that never existed. :roll2

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Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan

The blog is about comparing the images from early screenshots to later development shots. Furthermore, the second set is comparing a screenshot from Square Enix to a capture off a TV from the FFXIII trailer that came with the overseas version of Advent Children.

The last image, they don't say what the two sources are, just "Early" and "Recent" production.

The overall article is about the decline in quality from the earlier days of production or what appears to be so.

It says nothing about the 360 version and there's a lot about those images we don't know, like if they are on the same system/have the same hook up. For all we know, one could be on a SD TV and the other on a HDTV. :/

What I am saying is don't count your chicks before they hatch.

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well i have the overseas edition of FF&:AC complete and can guarantee you that this is not a difference of SD to HD. There has been a dramtic decrease of quality and the only real adjuster that came in the said timeline was the announcing that there'd be a 360 version.

Im bettin that you got a 360 so thats why your not taking it to heart like we PS3-owners are! The fact is that the PS3 is a superior machine, can run superior graphics, sound and has better all around quality. So when they announced there'd be port to 360 it only makes sense that they had to decrease some of the aspect of the game to fit microsoft's CrapBOX.


PS. i hate it how 360 owners never admit that whenever there's amultiplatform game, their system is the one that drags it down.....with the odd exception of Bayonnetta

People really will find any reason to bitch when a title goes multiformat. 'Oh no, being on that evil XBOX360 as well is wrecking this game!' Come off it, what you really mean is 'I don't like said console and I need to find a reason to have a go at it'.

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Originally Posted by nirojan

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Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan

The blog is about comparing the images from early screenshots to later development shots. Furthermore, the second set is comparing a screenshot from Square Enix to a capture off a TV from the FFXIII trailer that came with the overseas version of Advent Children.

The last image, they don't say what the two sources are, just "Early" and "Recent" production.

The overall article is about the decline in quality from the earlier days of production or what appears to be so.

It says nothing about the 360 version and there's a lot about those images we don't know, like if they are on the same system/have the same hook up. For all we know, one could be on a SD TV and the other on a HDTV. :/

What I am saying is don't count your chicks before they hatch.

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well i have the overseas edition of FF&:AC complete and can guarantee you that this is not a difference of SD to HD. There has been a dramtic decrease of quality and the only real adjuster that came in the said timeline was the announcing that there'd be a 360 version.

Im bettin that you got a 360 so thats why your not taking it to heart like we PS3-owners are! The fact is that the PS3 is a superior machine, can run superior graphics, sound and has better all around quality. So when they announced there'd be port to 360 it only makes sense that they had to decrease some of the aspect of the game to fit microsoft's CrapBOX.


PS. i hate it how 360 owners never admit that whenever there's amultiplatform game, their system is the one that drags it down.....with the odd exception of Bayonnetta

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For the most part, absolutely not. Have you looked at the difference between the Wii or PS2 version of Call of Duty and any of the others? Being multiplatformed does not require a game to downgrade it's graphics.

I'm not going to lie, it when I have exclusive access to something others don't it makes me feel a little superior. It shouldn't, but does to a small extent.

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Originally Posted by nirojan

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Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan

The blog is about comparing the images from early screenshots to later development shots. Furthermore, the second set is comparing a screenshot from Square Enix to a capture off a TV from the FFXIII trailer that came with the overseas version of Advent Children.

The last image, they don't say what the two sources are, just "Early" and "Recent" production.

The overall article is about the decline in quality from the earlier days of production or what appears to be so.

It says nothing about the 360 version and there's a lot about those images we don't know, like if they are on the same system/have the same hook up. For all we know, one could be on a SD TV and the other on a HDTV. :/

What I am saying is don't count your chicks before they hatch.

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well i have the overseas edition of FF&:AC complete and can guarantee you that this is not a difference of SD to HD. There has been a dramtic decrease of quality and the only real adjuster that came in the said timeline was the announcing that there'd be a 360 version.

Im bettin that you got a 360 so thats why your not taking it to heart like we PS3-owners are! The fact is that the PS3 is a superior machine, can run superior graphics, sound and has better all around quality. So when they announced there'd be port to 360 it only makes sense that they had to decrease some of the aspect of the game to fit microsoft's CrapBOX.


PS. i hate it how 360 owners never admit that whenever there's amultiplatform game, their system is the one that drags it down.....with the odd exception of Bayonnetta

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Umm, right you should not gamble. I have a PS3 and have little interest in getting a 360 outside a handful of games. I'm just level headed enough not to jump to conclusions. What I hate are fanboys of either 360 or PS3 that whine and bemoan each other.

I was merely pointing out that your correlation between the decrease in quality and it being release on the 360 is false. The blog post does not prove that. It merely points out the surprising (to the author) fact that the quality of the graphics have decreased throughout production.

It doesn't give enough information to make any accurate assumptions as to why. Given that the blog was made long before the release of FFXIII in Japan, for all I know (unless I go ask my friend who imported the game) the Japanese version could be suffering from the same decrease in graphic qualities. A decrease in quality in the Japanese version would have nothing to do with it being released on the 360 since it is not being released on said console in Japan.

While there are some drawbacks that I feel has happened because of the multi-platform released, I don't see it as a big deal.

Oh and the biggest issues with multi-platform games that PS3 fanboys seem to forget is that often games are made for the 360 cuz it is easier and then just ported to the PS3, thus not utilizing the full potential of the console. It is more of a laziness on the part of the companies than anything inherent to the 360 or PS3. :P

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Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan

Umm, right you should not gamble. I have a PS3 and have little interest in getting a 360 outside a handful of games. I'm just level headed enough not to jump to conclusions. What I hate are fanboys of either 360 or PS3 that whine and bemoan each other.

I was merely pointing out that your correlation between the decrease in quality and it being release on the 360 is false. The blog post does not prove that. It merely points out the surprising (to the author) fact that the quality of the graphics have decreased throughout production.

It doesn't give enough information to make any accurate assumptions as to why. Given that the blog was made long before the release of FFXIII in Japan, for all I know (unless I go ask my friend who imported the game) the Japanese version could be suffering from the same decrease in graphic qualities. A decrease in quality in the Japanese version would have nothing to do with it being released on the 360 since it is not being released on said console in Japan.

While there are some drawbacks that I feel has happened because of the multi-platform released, I don't see it as a big deal.

Oh and the biggest issues with multi-platform games that PS3 fanboys seem to forget is that often games are made for the 360 cuz it is easier and then just ported to the PS3, thus not utilizing the full potential of the console. It is more of a laziness on the part of the companies than anything inherent to the 360 or PS3. :P

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I completely agree.

It's been over three years since my last numbered Final Fantasy release. At this point, I could really care less how one console brings down the visuals of the game. In the end, the gameplay and the story are what matter and the pretty eye candy effect will wear off within hours of beginning gameplay.

And the delays due to the 360 version have been minimal if you think about it. We have to wait a mere quarter year compared to previous releases that took half a year or longer to make it overseas. To me, that sounds like no delay at all!

Anyway, just be happy the game is coming out. It's just been too long waiting for one of my favorite series of games to get moving again. I would gladly sacrifice visual quality if that would get these games pumped out a little faster.

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Originally Posted by Shadowdust

Anyway, just be happy the game is coming out. ... I would gladly sacrifice visual quality if that would get these games pumped out a little faster.

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I couldn't agree with that sentiment more.

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Originally Posted by VeloZer0

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Originally Posted by Shadowdust

Anyway, just be happy the game is coming out. ... I would gladly sacrifice visual quality if that would get these games pumped out a little faster.

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I couldn't agree with that sentiment more.

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Amen!

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

Fans really love to bitch.

The first thing I'm going to throw out is, I don't understand what possible drives a person to want something to be exclusive

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There's a simple answer to that, really. When you work on a single platform you can dedicate all your resources to that system and optimize your game for it. This isn't speculation, many developers have commented on it. That's why games like Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Heavenly Sword, and Little Big Planet can only be done on the PS3, just like Gears of War and...

uhhhhh.... I'll get back to you on that.

Anyway, I think it's reasonable to say that people can point out that something has been compromised and at the same time not run around like the sky is falling. The two aren't mutually dependent. I'm sure I can speak for most that have talked about it, that while I may be slightly disappointed, more than anything I'm happy to be able to play the next installment in one of my favorite franchises in a few months now, just like shadowdust pointed out..

edit: oh yeah I forgot, turns out the 360 version really didn't compromise the ps3 version (maybe)
N4G.com : FF XIII on Xbox 360 Losing 15GB of Data?

The article says that the game is 38GB, and the three DVDs it is being released on will only have 25 GB of space. I just looked it up and a HD-DVD has 15 GB of space, and last time I checked 3GB x 15GB = 45GB for single-layered disks, and grand total of 90 GB if three dual-layer HD-DVDs are used.

Either I'm missing something or these concerns don't make sense at all.

(Context for those of you like me who don't have such specs memorized, a Blu-Ray has 25-33 GB and a dual-layer has 50 GB. How a single layer can vary as much as +30% size, I know not.)

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

Fans really love to bitch.

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They do. Sometimes it's with merit, but usually it's not.

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

The first thing I'm going to throw out is, I don't understand what possible drives a person to want something to be exclusive just so XBOX, Wii, PS3 or whatever owners cannot play it, don't tell me, "I was afraid it was going to get compromised." People where cheering while it was exclusive, just because XBOX owners couldn't get it.

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Haha, it's more of that "my gaming-console company can beat up your gaming-console company" thing we briefly discussed in that other topic. I can understand some slight disappointment for this supposed compromise though to me it really isn't a big deal at all, and we all know that the player is likely not even going to think about it while playing through the game. Admittedly, I'm going to prefer to get the PS3 version for the purposes of it being on one disc only, but it's getting really annoying seeing all the 13 year-olds and the anti-360/microsoft attitudes.

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

Second, the changes seem very minute.

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^ This.

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

And Japanese voices? Realistically I wasn't going to use that anyway, and fans that complain 'Well I was.' it isn't a terribly important part of gameplay.

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I do have to admit that I'm slightly disappointed with this aspect because I always prefer Japanese voice with subtitles, but it's only because JRPG's are notorious for having horrendously terrible English voice acting, but it still isn't even a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

Unless there's a quest, or element of gameplay that is truly removed, I support Enix's decision as it will make them more money and make the game more available to me and my friends.

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^ THIS

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

EDIT: I'd like to note that this is posted from someone with both an XBOX and a PS3 (due to my brother's overspending).

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Now what another fancy coincidence. I too, have access to both consoles, only because of my own brother's overspending.

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Originally Posted by VeloZer0

The article says that the game is 38GB, and the three DVDs it is being released on will only have 25 GB of space. I just looked it up and a HD-DVD has 15 GB of space, and last time I checked 3GB x 15GB = 45GB for single-layered disks, and grand total of 90 GB if three dual-layer HD-DVDs are used.

Either I'm missing something or these concerns don't make sense at all.

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I'm not sure if your confused by them fitting 38GB's on 3 DVD's (which they can't) or the complaints that the PS3 version may have been compromised.

If it's the former that's confusing you, the 38GB's is likely uncompressed HD content. So textures, CG scenes, and even sound all being totally uncompressed on the PS3 and therefore the highest possible quality. They'd undoubtedly have to compress that stuff to fit on DVD's for the 360 if it's actually 38GB's and they're really putting it on 3 DVD's. That'd mean some drop in visual and audio quality, though to be perfectly honest you'd probably never notice without scrutinizing them side by side.

As for the complaints that the 360 version crippled the PS3 version, I really doubt it had that much effect. Most of the design choices they made would have had to have been locked down long before the 360 version was announced.

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

The first thing I'm going to throw out is, I don't understand what possible drives a person to want something to be exclusive just so XBOX, Wii, PS3 or whatever owners cannot play it, don't tell me, "I was afraid it was going to get compromised." People where cheering while it was exclusive, just because XBOX owners couldn't get it.

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I don't get wanting an exclusive simply so owners of another console can't play it either. I do believe exclusives are an important part of the industry (without them we'd have no reason for multiple consoles and having an industry with absolutely no competition would be bad for consumers), but the whole us vs. them mentality among some console owners is absurd. The only thing that separates you and another console owner is taste in exclusives and about $300.

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Originally Posted by VeloZer0

The article says that the game is 38GB, and the three DVDs it is being released on will only have 25 GB of space. I just looked it up and a HD-DVD has 15 GB of space, and last time I checked 3GB x 15GB = 45GB for single-layered disks, and grand total of 90 GB if three dual-layer HD-DVDs are used.

Either I'm missing something or these concerns don't make sense at all.

(Context for those of you like me who don't have such specs memorized, a Blu-Ray has 25-33 GB and a dual-layer has 50 GB. How a single layer can vary as much as +30% size, I know not.)

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Actually the 360 isn't compatible with HD-DVD's. They once had an add-on that could play movies on HD-DVD's but it's been discontinued. The standard for the system is DVD9, dual-layered DVD's holding about 9GB's each.

Like Vivi22 said, the data on the Blu-Ray is all uncompressed while it's pretty much a given that it will be compressed for the 360, and that doesn't even seem like a problem since the system's demonstrated it's really good at uncompressing and processing data very quickly. So between video and audio that'll definitely knock off a couple gigs (I think).

Someone also brought up that the videos on ps3 will be 1080p native and 720p native on 360; that's not a big deal either because the difference doesn't become noticeable until you start getting into larger HDTV's.

Only the comparison vids will tell for sure, but I'm sure most of us will be too busy playing the game to actually care.