smurf THIS UPCOMING GENERATION! I WANT BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY! I'M FOR REAL I AIN'T BUYING A DAMN NEW CONSOLE UNLESS I'M GETTING THAT. BEST BELIEVE!
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smurf THIS UPCOMING GENERATION! I WANT BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY! I'M FOR REAL I AIN'T BUYING A DAMN NEW CONSOLE UNLESS I'M GETTING THAT. BEST BELIEVE!
You're in luck! Microsoft has released a console that's fully compatible with XBox 360 games.
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The Escapist : News : Update: Xbox One To Take Cut With Every Pre-Owned Sale
So more control over used sales for Microsoft, less profit for retailers (who are largely profitable because of used sales) and no real price competition on used sales since they have to be 10% below the RRP.
Yeah, this is going to go over real well.
I am eager to see how many more feet Microsoft have to shoot in regards to the X1!
Indeed. Between what they've stated and the stories getting picked up, I'm not sure how much is in fact true and what may just be speculation or a mix, but the fact that not much of it is sounding good is pretty telling of where things seem to be headed I think. We'll see what happens between now and launch, but right now I don't think I'd take the system if someone gave it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shauna
Bring on E3, I guess. :3
They better have something good planned because just from other people's reactions it looks like they may need it.
EDIT: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...er-of-Xbox-One
I really don't know what to say about Microsoft anymore except that they just do not seem to be playing with a full deck.
The thing with the Xbox One is that it is a console of alienation.
Everything announced by the Xbox One just reeks of high development costs, which can put off some companies from developing games if it isn't a 'proven' formula (hence the surge of the FPS, like, everywhere) and that's just development. Once a game is out there, you need a HDMI T.V, and if you don't have a strong internet connection, then sorry! Not to mention if you're a smart, frugal chap who wants to save some money with a used game, then you're also out of luck.
I'm just incredibly skeptical. And first impressions count.
You're not their target market. Just like serious desktop users weren't the target market for Windows 8. MS is going after the people who have been flocking to Apple products due to how dead dirt simple they are to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22
The problem is that they're seriously alienating the core and at this point it's hard to tell how that'll affect their overall install base. Say what you will about Apple, but they've never had trouble appealing to their core while expanding outwards - considering their "core" consists largely of people who use the creative tools that Macs have always specialized in, and none of that has really changed. Adding the iPhone and iPad and Apple TV to the mix was seen as logical expansions that were non-intrusive.
MS wants that market, and it appears they're willing to completely overhaul their big-name projects to get it. It's a big damn gamble and I'm really not sure how it's going to play out. I expect in two years they'll either be rolling in the dough or completely backing off of this approach.
Don't forget about the Wii U :bigsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
I'm not sure why you quoted me to say any of that when it doesn't really respond to anything I said in that specific post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinyYou're not their target market. Just like serious desktop users weren't the target market for Windows 8. MS is going after the people who have been flocking to Apple products due to how dead dirt simple they are to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22
The problem is that they're seriously alienating the core and at this point it's hard to tell how that'll affect their overall install base. Say what you will about Apple, but they've never had trouble appealing to their core while expanding outwards - considering their "core" consists largely of people who use the creative tools that Macs have always specialized in, and none of that has really changed. Adding the iPhone and iPad and Apple TV to the mix was seen as logical expansions that were non-intrusive.
MS wants that market, and it appears they're willing to completely overhaul their big-name projects to get it. It's a big damn gamble and I'm really not sure how it's going to play out. I expect in two years they'll either be rolling in the dough or completely backing off of this approach.
And even accepting that someone like me isn't their target market with this thing (which is stupid since it basically means console owners and gamers aren't their target market for their new console and games) it still doesn't explain or excuse blatant stupidity. Such as the kind displayed in the story I linked to in the very post you quoted.
I think they forgot their core. The Xbox 'core', as is the PS 'core', is gamers. Heck, their GAMING CONSOLES at the end of the day.
The Xbox reveal was focused primarily on the multimedia 'front of the room' aspect. The Xbox facilitates T.V, and movies and all of that. That basically is going to market towards families really and the sort of casual gamer you see.
Now, who routinely follows game conferences like this? Not families or casual gamers: actual gamers follow these events. What they essentially did was produce a conference geared mainly towards families while being scrutinised by gamers.
No wonder the reveal didn't go down well.
It didn't go down well to people like us. Hsu-iny has a point that MS clearly is going after a different market with stuff like this. In the end it will play Xbox One games and people will buy it to play those games. Maybe less of those people will buy it due to some of the restrictions it placed on gaming freedoms, but it's possible many of those people had already switched to PC gaming anyway. Different people, those who don't post on internet gaming sites, will also buy it for the other features. MS is clearly banking on the potential gain from that group to outweigh the loss from the other group. Hardcore gamers are really the minority in the gaming world.
I don't have a problem with the direction they're going but the name is just crap.
I was just addressing your statement about how it seems like a boneheaded move by discussing the gamble they're taking. It's really hard to tell if it'll wind up being stupid or brilliant at this point. They've certainly made a huge PR mess of things, but so did Sony when the PS3 launched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22I'm not sure why you quoted me to say any of that when it doesn't really respond to anything I said in that specific post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinyYou're not their target market. Just like serious desktop users weren't the target market for Windows 8. MS is going after the people who have been flocking to Apple products due to how dead dirt simple they are to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22
The problem is that they're seriously alienating the core and at this point it's hard to tell how that'll affect their overall install base. Say what you will about Apple, but they've never had trouble appealing to their core while expanding outwards - considering their "core" consists largely of people who use the creative tools that Macs have always specialized in, and none of that has really changed. Adding the iPhone and iPad and Apple TV to the mix was seen as logical expansions that were non-intrusive.
MS wants that market, and it appears they're willing to completely overhaul their big-name projects to get it. It's a big damn gamble and I'm really not sure how it's going to play out. I expect in two years they'll either be rolling in the dough or completely backing off of this approach.
And even accepting that someone like me isn't their target market with this thing (which is stupid since it basically means console owners and gamers aren't their target market for their new console and games) it still doesn't explain or excuse blatant stupidity. Such as the kind displayed in the story I linked to in the very post you quoted.
My statement about them not playing with a full deck of cards in the post you quoted was specifically directed towards the idea of trying to use cloud computing to quadruple the power of the Xbox One. I really hope I don't have to explain why that is objectively terrible and they're complete morons if they think that's viable because there should be plenty of reasons which are immediately obvious to anyone with even a modest understanding of what the ramifications of requiring the use of cloud computing to run games would be for the end consumer.