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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

lordblazer...hahaha. You were the first one to bring up the NAACP and the KKK, slick. And you're the only one comparing the two.

I don't care if "may have been abused" is offensive. It's accurate. There's no way of knowing whether or not one black person's ancestors were slaves to white people or not. And even so, there wouldn't be a way of knowing whether or not my ancestors owned slaves, or whether or not my ancestors owned his ancestors. And unless my ancestors owned his ancestors, I would have nothing to do with anything about him. And in all honesty, unless I personally persecuted HIM, I wouldn't be obligated to give up a job I'm better qualified for as a for of "retribution". Hell, I can trace my geneology back to the American colonies and earlier, does that mean that one of my ancestors was scalped and now every Indian owes me their job?

lordblazer -- Your life isn't hard "because the world views you as a black male". Your life is hard because YOU view you as a black male, and are too busy pitying yourself because of that to have the ethic to go out and work just like everybody else. Minorities don't have to work any harder than white males at all in America. You say nobody benefits from Affirmative Action? How about the minorities that are given jobs based not on their qualifications, but because the employer needs them so he can reach his quota of minority workers? And nobody is disadvantaged from it? What about the guy that's well-qualified for a job but doesn't get it because his skin is white?

You say the NAACP isn't racist? You're got to count in all the people that speak for it--people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. People that play the race card at every single imagineable opportunity. People that say things like, "O.J. Simpson isn't guilty, a white man murdered those two people, they're just trying to pin it on O.J. because he's a successful black man." Or comparing Micheal Jackson's court case to Nelson Mandella and Mohammed Ali. Because Micheal Jackson is black--and you know, it's only because he's black that people are "persecuting" him. The NAACP is a big supporter of things like Affirmative Action, which is racist, and is against common-sense things, like "there are too many black people in prison." Well sorry NAACP, that's because there are too many black criminals.

As for the NAACP vs. the KKK, they're both racist. (Do you know anything about the Black Panthers?) But nobody is trying to say the NAACP is as bad as the KKK, because we all know the history behind both of them.

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WEll actually i was just bringing up from my previous thread. were Emerald said that comment and everyone agreed with her so i cleared a fear things up.

BTW when a black male does goto court most likely they're going to prison rather they did it or not.The justice system is famous for that.Anyway so what they play the race card.I do know a lot about hte black panther' I had a family member thatw as in it.The black Panthers is a seperate group from the NAACP that uses violence.or used violence.They really don't even exist since the NAACP actually achieved a lot of goals and the black panthers did a lot also.They fought so that really anyone can have a chance to open up more doors legally instead of illegally like the black panthers were doing.But since im a racist for supporting the NAACP well then I really can't say much.Oh nvm everyone is a racist then because every single group is put into some negetive category.

but okay when you say my life isn't as hard because I view that way.Is like telling a holocaust survivor that what they experienced was an illusion.

You're a black guy in America. You and Holocaust survivors have absolutely nothing in common, it's a shame and disgraceful that you even try to compare yourself to them. Plus, you know nothing of what black people faced in the 60s during the civil rights struggle. What, somebody calls you "the N word" and all of the sudden you're "persecuted"?

BTW. When a black person goes to court, they get just as fair of a trial as everybody else. Being black has nothing to do with whether or not they are convicted--being guilty controls that, plus their counsel, and they get the same counsel as everybody else too. So don't even try the "the justice system hates black people", because black people that are convicted are the first ones to appeal on the grounds of their jury having too many white people, even if it's not even half.

Remember Rodney King? I'm sure you do--may not remember him, but I'm sure you know about him. He was so high on PCP that they stuck him with a tazer, what, three times? Four? And it had no effect? He led them on a half-hour chase through city streets with total disregard and disrespect for authority or the safety of those around him, and then fought with the police when they finally stopped him. I say he deserved to get his ass beat, I would have too, given the chance. Not because he was black, but because he deserved it. Now--do you remember Reginald Denny? Probably not. He was a guy who was beat nearly to death during the L.A. race riots. Wrong place, wrong time. Reginald Denny was a white truck driver, not disobeying any laws, when he drove past a bunch of black guys. They chased him down, drug him out of his cab, and beat him within an inch of his life. It was videotaped. Not a police video, either, that's mounted in a car, somebody actually held a camera through this whole thing to tape it. Do you know how many people were put in prison for that? How many people were held accountable for that?

I didn't say you were a racist for supporting the NAACP, and I didn't say that everybody was a racist. I said that the NAACP is racist.

And the Black Panthers, at that time, were more active and much more destructive than the KKK was. Are you saying that's alright, because they got things done?

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

You're a black guy in America. You and Holocaust survivors have absolutely nothing in common, it's a shame and disgraceful that you even try to compare yourself to them. Plus, you know nothing of what black people faced in the 60s during the civil rights struggle. What, somebody calls you "the N word" and all of the sudden you're "persecuted"?

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So your basically saying that if a black person gets called a nigger, we should just accept it because we are too young to have gone through the civil rights stuggle. Thats BS and you know it. No one should just have to accpet someone being racist towards them. no one.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

BTW. When a black person goes to court, they get just as fair of a trial as everybody else. Being black has nothing to do with whether or not they are convicted--being guilty controls that, plus their counsel, and they get the same counsel as everybody else too. So don't even try the "the justice system hates black people", because black people that are convicted are the first ones to appeal on the grounds of their jury having too many white people, even if it's not even half.

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Thats BS as well. Black people definately do not get a fair chance in court alot of the time. The only time a black person gets off for a serious crime is if he's rich. Other than that, we gotta struggle to prove ourselves innocent. Its supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, but for a young black male, its your guilty until proven innocent. But obvioulsly you wouldnt know about stuff like that. seeing as how i assume your not black and probably have never been through the courts for anything.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Remember Rodney King? I'm sure you do--may not remember him, but I'm sure you know about him. He was so high on PCP that they stuck him with a tazer, what, three times? Four? And it had no effect? He led them on a half-hour chase through city streets with total disregard and disrespect for authority or the safety of those around him, and then fought with the police when they finally stopped him. I say he deserved to get his ass beat, I would have too, given the chance. Not because he was black, but because he deserved it.

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Yeah i remember rodney king and even if he did all those things while high on drugs, the police had no right to continue to beat him down like that. He was already subdued and all they had to do was cuff him and put him in the police cruser, but like the VIDEO EVIDENCE showed, they continued to beat him him down like a dog. Excessive violence and obviously a jury saw it that way as well. Too bad a black man needs concrete evidence like video to make a point.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Now--do you remember Reginald Denny? Probably not. He was a guy who was beat nearly to death during the L.A. race riots. Wrong place, wrong time. Reginald Denny was a white truck driver, not disobeying any laws, when he drove past a bunch of black guys. They chased him down, drug him out of his cab, and beat him within an inch of his life. It was videotaped. Not a police video, either, that's mounted in a car, somebody actually held a camera through this whole thing to tape it. Do you know how many people were put in prison for that? How many people were held accountable for that?

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I dont really rememer this, but its pretty sad. It was probably some type of retaliation thing over the rodney king scandal, but that doesnt make it right. i feel sorry for that man.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

And the Black Panthers, at that time, were more active and much more destructive than the KKK was. Are you saying that's alright, because they got things done?

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Yeah right. the black panthers werent out lynching white folks now where they. They were violent, yes i agree, but not to the point of saying they were worst than the KKK. You can only oppress a people for so long. Black folks were tired of segregation, tired of the beatings and the murders. can you blame us for lashing out and wanting to protect ourselves and have something to believe in? But i guess you cant really see our side, not being black and all. This is your country after all isnt it. so you would never ever have to go through the same problems.



Being a black male in america does have a negative connotation. Its like your almost expected to fail. Hell, im on a FF web forum and the other day i was talkin to a white guy about ff( in person) and he said it surprised him that a guy liek me would play a game like that. Why? Cause im black. Now i know he didnt mean any harm by it. But, its just goes to show you that its not expected of us to be doing anything with ourselves. When you know how to accually do something some lvl of inteligence, its like your a one man monkey show, because its like the rest of the world didnt think you could do it.

As for Affirmative action, its still needed. If it wasnt for affirmative action, we would still get put on the back burner for jobs we are qualified to do. Im sure there are alot of jobs out there that if they didnt have to hire black people, they wouldnt. America is still racist, its just doesnt out right declare it anymore.

Sasquatch, i can tell by what you wrote that you dont seem to have much racial tolorance. i bet your the type that would never let your daughter come home with a black guy or let your kids associate with black people all together.

Im sorry if affirmative action makes you feel like minorities are taking your jobs, but hey, if its gonna level the playing field, then too bad for you. Until there is REAL equality in america, and not this supposed equality, then we still need Affirmative action. Also if you didnt know, AA works both ways. if a white college student wanted to go to Prodominately black college, he could apply and probably beat a more qualified black student. so i mean, i guess that could make you feel a little better. :D

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

You're a black guy in America. You and Holocaust survivors have absolutely nothing in common, it's a shame and disgraceful that you even try to compare yourself to them. Plus, you know nothing of what black people faced in the 60s during the civil rights struggle. What, somebody calls you "the N word" and all of the sudden you're "persecuted"?

BTW. When a black person goes to court, they get just as fair of a trial as everybody else. Being black has nothing to do with whether or not they are convicted--being guilty controls that, plus their counsel, and they get the same counsel as everybody else too. So don't even try the "the justice system hates black people", because black people that are convicted are the first ones to appeal on the grounds of their jury having too many white people, even if it's not even half.

Remember Rodney King? I'm sure you do--may not remember him, but I'm sure you know about him. He was so high on PCP that they stuck him with a tazer, what, three times? Four? And it had no effect? He led them on a half-hour chase through city streets with total disregard and disrespect for authority or the safety of those around him, and then fought with the police when they finally stopped him. I say he deserved to get his ass beat, I would have too, given the chance. Not because he was black, but because he deserved it. Now--do you remember Reginald Denny? Probably not. He was a guy who was beat nearly to death during the L.A. race riots. Wrong place, wrong time. Reginald Denny was a white truck driver, not disobeying any laws, when he drove past a bunch of black guys. They chased him down, drug him out of his cab, and beat him within an inch of his life. It was videotaped. Not a police video, either, that's mounted in a car, somebody actually held a camera through this whole thing to tape it. Do you know how many people were put in prison for that? How many people were held accountable for that?

I didn't say you were a racist for supporting the NAACP, and I didn't say that everybody was a racist. I said that the NAACP is racist.

And the Black Panthers, at that time, were more active and much more destructive than the KKK was. Are you saying that's alright, because they got things done?

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I didnt compare black peopel to holocaust victums.I compared people who tell me to just shutup and deal with racism,police harasments and all that nice stuff to the poeple who told holocaust survivors that the holocaust had never happened.Yeah people actually did tell them that and it pissed them off.

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"O.J. Simpson isn't guilty, a white man murdered those two people, they're just trying to pin it on O.J. because he's a successful black man."

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Yes, alot of people do believe that, but O.J. didn't get off because he was black, he got off because he was famous. Had he been a black truck driver, say, he would have been convicted.

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Yeah i remember rodney king and even if he did all those things while high on drugs, the police had no right to continue to beat him down like that. He was already subdued and all they had to do was cuff him and put him in the police cruser, but like the VIDEO EVIDENCE showed, they continued to beat him him down like a dog. Excessive violence and obviously a jury saw it that way as well. Too bad a black man needs concrete evidence like video to make a point.

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Exactly. The only unusual thing about the Rodney King case was that there was a trial. :mad:

DarkLadyNyara -- O.J. got off because he was black AND famous. There were people on his jury that said "oh it didn't matter if he was innocent, it was just about time that a black man beat the system for once instead of the system beating the black man." People actually believed that since they thought too many black people had been wrongly convicted, it was perfectly fine for a double-murderer to go free.

lordblazer -- you're comparing what you think you go through to what Nazi Germany put Jews through in the 30's and early 40's. There is no comparison. Drop it. You can compare yourself to somebody that gets teased because they're fat, or ugly, or something like that, but modern black people and Holocaust survivors have absolutely nothing in common.

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Originally Posted by AkiraMakie

So your basically saying that if a black person gets called a nigger, we should just accept it because we are too young to have gone through the civil rights stuggle.

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No, I'm not saying that. You're right, nobody should have to tolerate persecution just because they are (or are not) of a certain race, no matter which race that may be. But there's a HUGE difference in the "racism" that black people face nowdays and the REAL racism that they faced decades ago, and one would be either incredibly ignorant or incredibly arrogant not to realize that.

By the way. No, I have never been through a trial. But to say the justice system is racist is rediculous. Ever heard of a "jury of peers"? Most juries for black trials are made up at least half of black people. So, what, black people are racist against black people too? Or are all the lawyers racist and don't defend their black clients because they want them to go to jail? Or are the judges racist? Or the bailifs, or the prison guards?

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Originally Posted by AkiraMakie

I dont really rememer this, but its pretty sad. It was probably some type of retaliation thing over the rodney king scandal, but that doesnt make it right. i feel sorry for that man.

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Of course you don't remember it. And of course it was part of the retaliation for Rodney King--only a small part. Remember the riots, the violence, the incredible amounts of looting that happened, all claimed as "retaliation" for Rodney King? What is it, one of my people got what he deserved in getting beat up by some of your people, so now our people are going to destroy millions and millions of dollars worth of property, cost many millions more in delays, protection, etc., and beat up some of your people too? Is that fair? Is that even understandable? Oh, and there was no "Rodney King scandal". It was a beating, and there was a trial. No scandal.

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Originally Posted by AkiraMakie

Yeah right. the black panthers werent out lynching white folks now where they. They were violent, yes i agree, but not to the point of saying they were worst than the KKK. You can only oppress a people for so long. Black folks were tired of segregation, tired of the beatings and the murders. can you blame us for lashing out and wanting to protect ourselves and have something to believe in? But i guess you cant really see our side, not being black and all.

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No, the Black Panthers didn't lynch people, they just shot them. In fact, a Black Panther struggle was one of the first times a SWAT team was put to use--but sorry, SWAT teams are racist too, right? They were just as extreme in ideals and probably more violent than the KKK was, AT THE TIME. And just because they were oppressed doesn't mean it was alright. The Black Panthers most likely set back the civil rights movement through their tactics. Yes, we can blame you for "lashing out" and taking aim at innocent people just because they're white.

"But I guess you can't really see our side, not being black and all." What a crock. Just because somebody may not be black doesn't mean that they don't know what black people really go through. (by the way...psssssst...just so you know...just because somebody's not black...that doesn't mean they're racist against black people either...it may surprise you, but the whole world really isn't out to get you...)

I have plenty of tolerance, and I don't care about race. No matter who my daughter dated, I would check them out anyway--white, black, Asian, Mexican, whatever, I'd still be wary of 'em. I wouldn't be any more cautious because he was black, I would only be more cautious if he acted like somebody I didn't approve of. I wouldn't have a problem with letting my kids have black friends, as I have black friends of my own. Hell, a couple black friends even conceded that I was half black just by what I like to eat.

That being said... How much "racism" is actually brought upon black people by themselves? You mentioned that a white guy was surprised to hear you would play Final Fantasy. Is that the fault of white people, or black people? It seems that too many black people have given the entire race a name of wannabe gangsters and pimps and drug dealers. A lot of people would be somewhat surprised to hear that a black person would be interested in Final Fantasy. Obviously stereotypes and generalizations aren't correct for the entire group, no matter which group it is, but black people tend to bring a lot of it upon themselves. For example, why is it that when a black guy succeeds in something, like business, he "turns white"? There aren't successful black people, there are just "oreos" that look black but are white on the inside, or people that have turned their backs on their black roots? Just pointing it out.

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There were people on his jury that said "oh it didn't matter if he was innocent, it was just about time that a black man beat the system for once instead of the system beating the black man."

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Yes, I'm well aware of that, and I find it pretty sick. I have never claimed that blacks couldn't be racist.

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And of course it was part of the retaliation for Rodney King--only a small part. Remember the riots, the violence, the incredible amounts of looting that happened, all claimed as "retaliation" for Rodney King? What is it, one of my people got what he deserved in getting beat up by some of your people, so now our people are going to destroy millions and millions of dollars worth of property, cost many millions more in delays, protection, etc., and beat up some of your people too?

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I resent the idea that the riots were "retaliation" for Rodney King. Most of the areas damaged by the riots were poor and minority neighborhoods. The riots were little more than people who were already idiots using the incident as an excuse to be idiots. I don't feel that the police were justified, but neither were the rioters.

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There aren't successful black people, there are just "oreos" that look black but are white on the inside, or people that have turned their backs on their black roots? Just pointing it out.

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As much as I hate to admit it, that is often true.

Just a little note: the black panthers weren't a terrorist group out to get white people like the KKK was with black people, but to defend blacks. Were they going about it the wrong way? That's a matter of opinion. Martin Luther King certainly thought they were. Either way, if you even try to say the black panthers were worse, or even like the KKK, you're one mixed up individual.

I do agree with the sentiment about alot of black racism being brought about by blacks much like alot of homophobia is brought about by gays. The avid "priders" who run around in the street wearing leather bondage gear and waving pink flags singing "It's Raining Men" and walking around throwing who they have sex with and how they have sex with them in everyone's faces. I guarntee you if it wasn't for them, there wouldn't be nearly as much hostility toward homosexuals. But then, I still think the homophobes are to blame for being dumb enough to just assume every last gay person is like that.

Same goes for African Americans. Just like Sasquatch said, and it is indeed true a great deal of the time, that blacks stereotype themselves and if someone is sucessful, talks at a certain level of English proficiency, listens to a certain kind of music, or dresses a certain way, they're "a dark skined white person" or something along those lines, as if to say that black people aren't supposed to be sucessful and are supposed to all remain uneducated and living off drug money and pimpin'. Many black rappers further enforce these stereotypes upon themselves and African Americans period. But does that mean it's ok for someone to just assume that every last black person thinks this way? No, and just because people create stereotypes isn't an excuse for racist people to be dumb enough to follow and base their judgements upon them.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

DarkLadyNyara -- O.J. got off because he was black AND famous. There were people on his jury that said "oh it didn't matter if he was innocent, it was just about time that a black man beat the system for once instead of the system beating the black man." People actually believed that since they thought too many black people had been wrongly convicted, it was perfectly fine for a double-murderer to go free.

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i agree with you there. its was more fun just knowing that a black man beat the system at its own game. i know i never really cared weather he did it or not.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

No, I'm not saying that. You're right, nobody should have to tolerate persecution just because they are (or are not) of a certain race, no matter which race that may be. But there's a HUGE difference in the "racism" that black people face nowdays and the REAL racism that they faced decades ago, and one would be either incredibly ignorant or incredibly arrogant not to realize that.

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What the hell is "real" racsim and "fake" racism? Racism is racism. plain and simple. Just like when the killed Emmit Till for looking at a white girl wrong, they will do the same thing nowwa days. In fact its well documented how racism is still strong in america, especially in the southern states. Hell not to long ago there was a case where at Couple of good ole white boys tied a black guy up to the back of their pick up truck and dragged him for a couple miles. But i will agree with you on one point. The racism black folks faced in the early 40's, 50's, 60's, is not the way we experience it today. Its more subtle now. Now you got people that are "in the closet racist" because its quite possible to end up in jail now for being commiting hate crimes against blacks. So its not that racism is any more real or fake than it was in teh past. its just that the way its packaged is alittle different. Every time you turn on the news and you see something bad that involves black folks but you never even see or hear about crimes commited by white people; RACISM. Everytime you look and they ALWAYS show black people on welfare, show black people being homeless, like there are no white homeless and no white people on welfare ; RACISM. Everytime you see drug users and or people selling drugs you are only gonna hear about black people. All that is a form of racism. It helps to flame the steretypes about black people that you so obviously believe in.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

By the way. No, I have never been through a trial. But to say the justice system is racist is rediculous. Ever heard of a "jury of peers"? Most juries for black trials are made up at least half of black people. So, what, black people are racist against black people too? Or are all the lawyers racist and don't defend their black clients because they want them to go to jail? Or are the judges racist? Or the bailifs, or the prison guards?

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Well its obvious that you've never been on trail or gone to jail for anything because of your lack of knowledge on the judicial system and how it works from the inside, not what they teach you in books or on "law and order".

How can you make a general assumption that all juries made up for black people contain at least half? Yeah that would work in a big city, But if a crime takes place in a smaller city where most of the black people know each other and live in teh same area then if they had to draw a jury pool, that would disqualify most of the black folk because they live close to you or know you. Most prosecutors and judges will dismiss you from jury duty if you know the defendant or live near them. So that would ultimately make the jury pool have more white people on it than black people. i would say that most jurys are at least 1/3 black people. And lets not get on these pussy ass public defenders that dont give a damn weather you go to jail or not. They get paid weather you go to jail or not. So im not saying they are racist, they just dont care. Like i said before, the only way for a black man to get off is to have decent representation. and the only way to be able to have a good lawyer is to be rich. other than that, a black man aint got no chance.

And yes black people can be racist against ourselves, but thats one of our conditions that doesnt really concern anyone else. We put to much thought into how light or dark we are and we seem to value a lighter skin person over a darker skin person. Its something thats been instilled in us since slavery times. When it worked out for you to be light skinned. but im not gonna go into that, cause im sure you already dont understand.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Of course you don't remember it. And of course it was part of the retaliation for Rodney King--only a small part. Remember the riots, the violence, the incredible amounts of looting that happened, all claimed as "retaliation" for Rodney King? What is it, one of my people got what he deserved in getting beat up by some of your people, so now our people are going to destroy millions and millions of dollars worth of property, cost many millions more in delays, protection, etc., and beat up some of your people too? Is that fair? Is that even understandable? Oh, and there was no "Rodney King scandal". It was a beating, and there was a trial. No scandal.

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I clearly said that it was wrong and that i feel sorry for the man. What was the point of even bringing this back up?

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

"But I guess you can't really see our side, not being black and all." What a crock. Just because somebody may not be black doesn't mean that they don't know what black people really go through. (by the way...psssssst...just so you know...just because somebody's not black...that doesn't mean they're racist against black people either...it may surprise you, but the whole world really isn't out to get you...)

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No, you dont know what its like to be black cause your not black. There is NO way to understand whats its like unless you are in that particular place. Just like i was watching this documentary called "Born Rich" on HBO the other day. And it had all these little rich white kids who have everything, but have so many problems. "oh i dont know what im gonna do with my life...seeing as how im rich and all...i dont really have to work." Now, im sure they really had a legitamate problem. but i couldnt understand it. Why because im neither white nor rich(obviously). AND i didnt say all white people are racist.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

I have plenty of tolerance, and I don't care about race. No matter who my daughter dated, I would check them out anyway--white, black, Asian, Mexican, whatever, I'd still be wary of 'em. I wouldn't be any more cautious because he was black, I would only be more cautious if he acted like somebody I didn't approve of. I wouldn't have a problem with letting my kids have black friends, as I have black friends of my own. Hell, a couple black friends even conceded that I was half black just by what I like to eat.

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if you say so...

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

That being said... How much "racism" is actually brought upon black people by themselves? You mentioned that a white guy was surprised to hear you would play Final Fantasy. Is that the fault of white people, or black people? It seems that too many black people have given the entire race a name of wannabe gangsters and pimps and drug dealers. A lot of people would be somewhat surprised to hear that a black person would be interested in Final Fantasy. Obviously stereotypes and generalizations aren't correct for the entire group, no matter which group it is, but black people tend to bring a lot of it upon themselves. For example, why is it that when a black guy succeeds in something, like business, he "turns white"? There aren't successful black people, there are just "oreos" that look black but are white on the inside, or people that have turned their backs on their black roots? Just pointing it out.

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They so called "turn white" because that is the only way to succed in a white mans business. THE ONLY WAY. But your right, we do bring alot of our steretypes on ourselves. i will definately give you that. Specially with rap music being so popular with the general population now. But how does being a gangster and what not equate to not liking a FF game. that doesnt make since. So are you saying gangsters arent smart enough to play those games? Or you saying that gangsters are jsut to tough to want to play these games. Look, its like this, Just how white folks enjoy rap music and hip hop, we can enjoy some of the things that arent specific to the black culture too. I also agree that, yes, alot of have turned our backs on our roots. Black folks are quick to forget where they come from.

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What the hell is "real" racsim and "fake" racism? Racism is racism. plain and simple. Just like when the killed Emmit Till for looking at a white girl wrong, they will do the same thing nowwa days. In fact its well documented how racism is still strong in america, especially in the southern states. Hell not to long ago there was a case where at Couple of good ole white boys tied a black guy up to the back of their pick up truck and dragged him for a couple miles. But i will agree with you on one point. The racism black folks faced in the early 40's, 50's, 60's, is not the way we experience it today. Its more subtle now. Now you got people that are "in the closet racist" because its quite possible to end up in jail now for being commiting hate crimes against blacks. So its not that racism is any more real or fake than it was in teh past. its just that the way its packaged is alittle different. Every time you turn on the news and you see something bad that involves black folks but you never even see or hear about crimes commited by white people; RACISM. Everytime you look and they ALWAYS show black people on welfare, show black people being homeless, like there are no white homeless and no white people on welfare ; RACISM. Everytime you see drug users and or people selling drugs you are only gonna hear about black people. All that is a form of racism. It helps to flame the steretypes about black people that you so obviously believe in.

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I agree with you.Racism is really subtle that people jsut don't pay attention to it.Like on the news when they do a crimnal description.Its most of hte time a black male with low cut or faded hair.Not a good descriptiong since 500 other black males in the city can fit it.Like it or not when they get the wrong guy and its a black male liekthe description said.The police will just hold them in jail until they get a phony confession out of them.

Another part of evidence on racism is in OKC. the NE part of town is the black side.now if your well aware of this.Like most black side of towns.You have to drive to the rother side of the city like 10 to 20 miles away just so you can get stuff like grocerie's and clothing.Stuff that you need.It isn't on the black side on town.I mean its really the best place to set up a business.It has the lowest crime rate in OKC and has held that title for really 10 years.So why isn't there a mall or atleast a grocery store?

It's good to see that we can all still exercise freedom of speech.

Take care all.

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Originally Posted by AkiraMakie

Just like when the killed Emmit Till for looking at a white girl wrong, they will do the same thing nowwa days.

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Umm, no, he said "bye baby" to a white female clerk. They said that was "getting fresh with a white woman". Plus, I seriously doubt 2 men who did that to a 13 year old boy would get off scott free today. Also, you can't have an all-white jury anymore, like they did in that case.

I mean there's still racist bastards like that, I see them every day. But doing stuff like they did to Emmit Teal and getting away with it just won't happen. Things have atleast gotten that much better. You can't just act like no progress whatsoever has been made since the Jim Crowe days.

I think there's a lot less racism than there used to be. Most kids my age don't really separate themselves by race, which in my parents day was something strange and in my grandparent's day was never heard of. But I think in the past there was a lot more "ethnic pride" too. My great grandmother had to elope to marry the man she loved -- because her family was Polish and his wasn't and for some reason way back around WWI era, you just didn't do that. Point being, we're getting better, and sooner or later it'll be martians who need AA because us Homo Sapiens are using the ole boyz network to keep ET from getting hired.

I suppose Affirative Action in some form is still needed, at least in the form of "all things being equal, give the nod to the non-white guy/gal". The problem is that companies are lazy, so rather than get a big enough pool of candidates to select a qualified AA candidate from, they set a quota, and then if they're under the quota, they pick a AA candidate who isn't quite as good. Economics or some junk. That isn't the fault of the AA program, it's the fault of the human beings making the hiring decisions. At any rate, who said the job belonged to the white guy anyway, or the slot in the college or anything else that AA supposedly is taking away from white males? I personally suspect that at least a third of the white candidates who think they didn't get the job because of AA were never actually in consideration in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Gnostic Yevon

I think there's a lot less racism than there used to be. Most kids my age don't really separate themselves by race, which in my parents day was something strange and in my grandparent's day was never heard of. But I think in the past there was a lot more "ethnic pride" too. My great grandmother had to elope to marry the man she loved -- because her family was Polish and his wasn't and for some reason way back around WWI era, you just didn't do that. Point being, we're getting better, and sooner or later it'll be martians who need AA because us Homo Sapiens are using the ole boyz network to keep ET from getting hired.

I suppose Affirative Action in some form is still needed, at least in the form of "all things being equal, give the nod to the non-white guy/gal". The problem is that companies are lazy, so rather than get a big enough pool of candidates to select a qualified AA candidate from, they set a quota, and then if they're under the quota, they pick a AA candidate who isn't quite as good. Economics or some junk. That isn't the fault of the AA program, it's the fault of the human beings making the hiring decisions. At any rate, who said the job belonged to the white guy anyway, or the slot in the college or anything else that AA supposedly is taking away from white males? I personally suspect that at least a third of the white candidates who think they didn't get the job because of AA were never actually in consideration in the first place.

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I agree with you.My generation really isn't as racist as the previous ones in america.But the generation I'm in isn't calling the shots.Its teh previous ones that get to call the shots in society.Thus my life as a black male is gonna be wayyyy tougher than a life of a white male.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Because it's not just the NAACP's money, it's taxpayer's money. If the NAACP never got a cent from the government and ran completely off charity, it wouldn't be as much of an issue. Plus, they are an influential part of society, and you know as well as I do that a KKK scholarship would NEVER be given out in a public, government, tax-funded school system, because it's too discriminatory. Discriminate against white people, that's fine, but against blacks, that's evil and racist. Here's something for you--it's the KKK's money, why can't they use it to buy firearms, then register them and give them to white people in highly black communities? Would that not be a little racist? Necessary, maybe, but still...

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Well if the KKK qualified for state/government funds, then i'd have no problem with it. But thank God, they dont. Once something is GIVEN the GIVER is no longer the OWNER and has RELINQUISHED POSSESION, and it is now owned by the one it was GIVEN to. Now whatever they want to do with THEIR money, short of destabilizing the U.S. government, drug-dealing, and funding Al-Qaeda is fine with me. And on the second part, they cant do that??? I had no idea that they couldnt buy firearms legally register them etc etc... I'd say that was a violation of their second amendment rights. They maybe be assholes, but they are still American. Dont EVER ASSume u have put me in the clutch, u have no idea what im going to say next, or in response.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Who's more likely to get into college based on race/sex? Not white males.

Who's more likely to not only get into college, but get much more money and opportunities for college, based on race/sex? Not white males.

Who's more likely to get a job in most places, based on race/sex? Not white males.

And who's the most likely to sue based on allegations of racism or sexism? Not white males.

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Yet u must realize that with all that in mind... who controls 95% of the wealth... white males. So those issue must be irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

I say he deserved to get his ass beat, I would have too, given the chance. Not because he was black, but because he deserved it.

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Well u may not know this but the police work off of the idea "nessecary force" which means if he needs his ass beat, then beat him and thats fine. This man was on the ground hands over his head as they repeatedly clubbed him with night sticks, ever been hit with a night stick? My friend tapped me with one it left a welt, they were CLUBBING Rodney King. I dont look at him as a hero, just a person unnessacarily beaten by police.

[QUOTEQUOTE=Sasquatch]DarkLadyNyara -- O.J. got off because he was black AND famous. There were people on his jury that said "oh it didn't matter if he was innocent, it was just about time that a black man beat the system for once instead of the system beating the black man." People actually believed that since they thought too many black people had been wrongly convicted, it was perfectly fine for a double-murderer to go free.[/QUOTE]

And lets not forget the GROSS nelegence by the investigation team, including contaminating the crime scene, im suprised the judge didnt dismiss the case. Also "If the glove doesnt fit, u must aquit.". Now i think OJ did it, but if the jurors actually said that i'd support a retrial.

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Well like i said about free speech in the beggining if we do away with all talk of discrimination/harm to people because of race, religion, sexuality, and sexual orientation, i beileve the world will become a better place.