No she does not. People see what they want to believe. She gives a response but it isn't always the right one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthien Rogue
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No she does not. People see what they want to believe. She gives a response but it isn't always the right one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthien Rogue
She gets hurt, she moans. She sees something she thinks is funny, she laughs.
So if you're in a coma, you're in a worse situation than if you've lost all of your cerebral cortex? I highly doubt this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthien Rogue
Her frontal cortex is dead, she's running on automatic pilot. Any of Terri's reactions are the same thing as a chicken running around with it's head cut off... something I've seen happen. Very disturbing... and one of those things that comes with living on a farm.
And I shall repeat myself: she DOESN'T EXIST. THERE IS NOTHING OF HER IN THE SHELL THAT WAS HER BODY. What more is there you need to know.
I'm just waiting for Raistlin to get on and see this.
But to reiterate, she is in a vegetative state as was said. There is nothing left, she has been dead for fifteen years and you can delude yourself on the contrary all that you wish but that's not going to change the reality of the situation.
Oh yes, and as far as the people coming out of a coma after twenty years or so, setting aside the fact that this isn't a coma for a moment, how many people do you actually think that has happened for? Just because you hear an example of it on the news doesn't mean its a particularily widespread phenomenon, just like how you can hear about school shootings on the news and (hopefully) realize that they don't really happen all that often.
She has moved on, her body is but a husk. The only functions that remain are the very basic functions that keep the body alive, those functions that are instinctive and involuntary. All concious activity is gone, but the body does still possess the ability to breath, keep the heartbeat going, and what have you. The part of the brain that makes us who we are is gone.
Edit: I just realized that you linked to the Free Republic for your information. That has got to be one of the most horribly biased sites I have ever had the misfortune of laying eyes upon. And I reiterate, one case doesn't suddenly mean that this applies to everyone, especially since circumstances are most certainly different.
The parents claimed that when they asked if she wanted to live, she said "AAAAH WAAAAH"
I honestly think they're doing anything to get the tube back in.
The article:
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INELLAS PARK, Fla. - After a federal appeals court panel rebuffed them yet again, Terri Schiavo's parents made another desperate attempt to keep their brain-damaged daughter alive, telling a judge that she tried to say "I want to live" just minutes before her feeding tube was removed a week ago.
Pinellas Circuit Judge George Greer was expected to announce a decision by noon Saturday on the motion by Bob and Mary Schindler claiming their daughter said "AHHHHH" and "WAAAAAAA" when asked to repeat the phrase "I want to live."
The appeal is seen as a long shot because Greer was the judge who ordered Schiavo's feeding tube removed March 18. Doctors have said Schiavo's previous utterances were involuntary moans consistent with someone in a vegetative state.
Attorneys for Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, argued the Schindlers had abandoned all pretense of the law and were simply making "a pure emotional appeal." Michael Schiavo says his wife would not want to be kept alive artificially.
Mary Schindler walks with her husband Bob Schindler after giving a news conference to plea for Gov. Jeb Bush's, R-Fla., help in saving their daughter, Terri Schiavo, outside the Woodside Hospice on Friday, March 25, 2005 in Pinellas Park, Fla. At left is her husband Bob Schindler. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
State and federal courts have repeatedly ruled against the Schindlers, who grew increasingly anguished as their daughter entered her second week without the tube that sustained her for 15 years.
Doctors have said the 41-year-old woman would probably die within a week or two of the tube being removed. By Friday, dehydration was taking its toll. Terri Schiavo's tongue and eyes were bleeding and her skin was flaking off, said Barbara Weller, the Schindlers' attorney.
"Terri is weakening. She's down to her last hours. Something has to be done and has to be done quick," said Bob Schindler, who visited his daughter Friday morning. After a later visit, he added: "I told her that we're still fighting for her, and she shouldn't give up because we're not. But I think the people who are anxious to see her die are getting their wish."
Schindler attorney David Gibbs III urged Greer to act quickly on the motion filed Friday because he expected "Terri to step into eternity this Easter weekend." George Felos, the attorney for Michael Schiavo, said the belief Terri Schiavo can speak was "crossing the line" into an abuse of the legal system.
Mary Schindler fights her emotions as she stands behing her husband during a news conference to plea for Gov. Jeb Bush's, R-Fla., help in saving her daughter, Terri Schiavo, outside the Woodside Hospice on Friday, March 25, 2005 in Pinellas Park, Fla. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Earlier Friday, a three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta denied another appeal by the Schindlers, saying it had already ruled on most of the issues and other issues raised did not apply to the case.
It marked the third time in four days the court had denied an emergency request made by Schiavo's parents. Attorneys for the Schindlers said they planned to appeal, but would wait until Saturday morning.
Bob Schindler also pleaded with Gov. Jeb Bush to intervene by taking temporary custody of their daughter while court challenges are argued.
"With the stroke of his pen, he could stop this," Bob Schindler said. "He's put Terri through a week of hell and my family though a week of hell. I implore him to put a stop to this. He has to stop it. This is judicial homicide."
Bush, who has been a staunch supporter of the Schindlers, said Thursday he is not willing to go beyond the boundaries of his powers and that he was hoping the courts would provide relief.
Mary Schindler fights her emotions during a news conference to plea for Gov. Jeb Bush's, R-Fla., help in saving her daughter, Terri Schiavo, outside the Woodside Hospice on Friday, March 25, 2005 in Pinellas Park, Fla. At left is her husband Bob Schindler. Standing behind the Mrs. Schiavo is Randall Terry, founder of Operator Rescue. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
"We are continuing to do whatever we can, and we are pursuing all the options available to us in this case," Bush spokesman Jacob DiPietre said.
Terri Schiavo suffered brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped briefly from a chemical imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder. She left no living will.
She went without food and water in 2003 when the feeding tube was removed for six days and five hours. It was reinserted when Bush and the Legislature pushed through a law that was later thrown out by the state Supreme Court.
Outside the hospice, eight more people - including a 10-year old boy and 13-year-old twin girls - were arrested Friday for trying to bring her water.
"I don't want her to die," Joshua Heldreth, 10, from North Carolina, said before his arrest. "I'm not afraid because God is with me."
A handful of protesters remained outside Terri Schiavo's hospice overnight.
"I'm so discouraged, I feel so helpless," said Christine Ambrusko, a student from Atlanta. "I don't know how in our civilized country we can allow a person to be starved to death with so many questions unanswered."
Also Friday, the FBI said a man was arrested in Fairview, N.C., on charges of sending an e-mail threat, allegedly for offering a $250,000 bounty for Michael Schiavo's death and $50,000 for that of a judge in the case. The FBI did not identify the judge.
Richard Alan Meywes allegedly sent the e-mail Tuesday to two Tampa-area news organizations and the host of a national conservative talk show, the FBI said.
Meywes was taken into custody at his home and charged with murder for hire and with the transmission of interstate threatening communications, the FBI said.
If convicted, Meywes could face up to 15 years in prison and fines up to $500,000, federal prosecutors said.
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Associated Press writers Mark Long and Mitch Stacy in Clearwater, Vickie Chachere and Jill Barton in Tampa, and Jackie Hallifax and Brendan Farrington in Tallahassee contributed to this report.
I'm also really thinking people need to butt out of this. This isn't a case for the entire country to get involved in, this isn't something the government needs to get involved in. There are legal precedents, and it is between Michael and the parents.
Disgusting.
"Zenogais?"
Take care all.