Guild Wars! Lets hope all MMORPGs go this way!

Lindy, give it a rest.

If he likes a game that way, he likes it that way. I don't think you can tell him what he can and can't like. He has opinions too, ya' know.

He's been accepting into understanding GW (as have I, I think it looks pretty cool actualy and would maybe play it if I had more time when my IRL friends get it). But you're putting words into his mouth - he's only mentioned WoW, RO and FFXI. And I don't see how stating something in Japan not being popular would help with your case for GW? Who cares if Square wasn't popular before the merge? They released FFXI after the merge. >.>; There are a lot of JPN players on FFXI. ^^

Lindy: Name for me some MMORPG's that are not "tiny little upstairs MMORPG's"? (no seriously I'm curious of what is bigger than CoH, FFXI, WoW, GW, DDO, EQ, EQ2, RO, UO, AC, AC2, AO, EVE Online, Linage 1, Linage 2, Priston Tales, Planetside, Graal, ugh I think I'm missing some, but that's off the top of my head)

Endless, I don't really care how the hell Blizzard are doing with sales. FFXI has been around a lot longer, and those figures aren't based on how long it's been around, just of the current state. WoW has had a lot more hype since before it's release, and it's still only half a year old or so - give it time man. Either way all I know is most of the people on my server (that I played WoW on, and also on another one that I played Horde), they were leaving because there was no end-game content and was a waste of time in leveling. I personaly hate it too, after leveling every race and job past 10-20, and some above 40. It was the biggest waste of time.

It's "tiny little upstarts", not upstairs, which in case you don't understand, means that they're just entering the world of MMORPGs and lack experience in that area, I don't care how long they've been making games for, it's the matter of MMORPGs, since they're totally different from any other kind of game.

And I said the companies were that, since they haven't been in the business for long, and Lineage and Lineage 2 you're citing? NCSoft games; the company that is working on Guild Wars, heck, Lineage is the biggest MMORPG of all time.

The point is that you can't call something like Gravity a no-name company when it's been around longer in the MMORPG game than Square Enix and Blizzard.

I said companies, not games, maybe you should read more carefully before you post in desperate anger? And I put no words into his mouth, I referred to all the companies he did, no more, no less.

And hey, I just came to a revelation, SHOCK HORROR MARY JANE, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE MAP TELEPORT DON'T USE IT. Just because you have the teleportation map there doesn't mean you have to use it, if you want to walk you can walk, but it doesn't mean other players shouldn't have the choice to make their time easier and quicker.

I'll just be there laughing when you're trying to find a party to walk with you over and over back and forth between Lion's Arch and the next town, trying to pass through the massive waves of Tengu that sweep over the plains.

Desperate anger? Oh please, it's 1AM and I'm tired.

Typo's and missreading still exists, you know. Just because something is named "the best MMORPG of all time" doesn't mean everyone is going to like what that company makes.

I didn't see him call Gravity a no-named company. I'm pretty sure Lionx knows how long they've been around for (as I remember him mentioning RO to me more than a few years back). Well Square has had around 3 years to refine FFXI, they are still attracting a fair few new members and adding a lot more refined content for the whole player base (not JUST high end) - so at least they are working for something, that in my opinion is pretty cool, expecially for a MMORPG that has been limited by the PS2 (I still wish it was just PC, would allow for better things).

I agree that MMORPG's are different from normal games. Just because they lack experience in the area, doesn't mean that they won't be able to make a good game. I do know who NCSoft is, I don't see what this has to do with anything - I mentioned them as a good company in my post (at least it was my intention).

I don't really mind teleportation in MMORPG's, as long as you have worked to get that ability (like, as you said, explored up until that point). I think Lionx has experienced games with teleportation that has ruined the fun-factor of exploring? But yeah, you probably could just ignore that. Either way, you're just telling him that his opinion is wrong and he's not allowed to like walking to places (which I agree can get extremely boring at times) - At least that's what seems to be what you're point is in your post.

Sorry, I took a little extra tiem writing this so that I would make abit more sense. If that pleases you. - I usualy just write off the top of my head, so it gets confusing when I'm tired. =P

I love FFXI, and I have so many good close friends playing it with me, it's hardly boring for me. I still have a right to defend it. =)

Edit: Oh and with the free thing, I dunno... maybe it is time for a new good change - they probably could offer great support (do you buy new expansions every 6 months or something for GW?). I could see it's ups and downs (their new server technology sounds interesting, but I still kind of shakey about it).

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The point is, that Gravity or some low no name company can do fees and not do stuff.

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And actually I'm telling him to shut up and stop saying that the teleportation ruins the game when you have the choice to walk, and that his choice to walk shouldn't stop other people from easily teleporting around. Just because you have the choice to teleport doesn't mean it actually detracts anything from the game, it (fairly obviously) gives you more options rather than taking any anyway.

And the point is that NCSoft have experience with what is good, and what sells, and if they didn't think they'd make enough money from Guild Wars to be able to swim in a giant pool of it, they would never have supported it.

Of course you like FFXI, of course you're going to defend it, but it doesn't give anyone the right to look down on GW with little experience of it, obviously if FFXI has been around for longer it'll have more behind it. But actually Guild Wars has been around in alpha and beta, as well as the open beta weekends for a VERY VERY long time, so the game, as well as support for it, have been heavily refined.

One nice thing to look at is the fact that the video card I use wasn't supported at first, the next two patches added support for both my card and a number of other video cards.

Have any other ORPGs done that, and if they have, did they do it just a few days after the retail release? The constant fixes and support for the game are a good sign of how the devs are treating.

Anyway, you like FFXI, I like GW and I really don't like FFXI, I played a little of it, I've spoken to a lot of people who have and the equipment grind was apparently a large problem for them. The main example being a single item that boosts accuracy, which Dark Knights need to be able to compete, so everyone camps and kills the few monsters that drop it over and over and over. Just hearing things like that turns me off, but then if you like it, good for you.

GW has none of that, and that's what I like, the lack of grind, the balance, and overall the FUN factor. The only time I didn't have fun was when partying with a group of idiots trying to do a mission, but then that's understanable since well...I doubt I even need to explain that one.

You can enjoy FFXI, I'll never understand why you do, but that isn't stopping you playing it, is it?

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Originally Posted by lionx

The point is, that Gravity or some low no name company can do fees and not do stuff.

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And actually I'm telling him to shut up and stop saying that the teleportation ruins the game when you have the choice to walk, and that his choice to walk shouldn't stop other people from easily teleporting around. Just because you have the choice to teleport doesn't mean it actually detracts anything from the game, it (fairly obviously) gives you more options rather than taking any anyway.

And the point is that NCSoft have experience with what is good, and what sells, and if they didn't think they'd make enough money from Guild Wars to be able to swim in a giant pool of it, they would never have supported it.

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That's true. I am probably being a bit defensive of FFXI (I don't care what anyone says I love it xD).

I don't really know what to say about the teleportation thing anymore. >.>; I guess you bring up a good point, it just seemed like you were saying "No you're wrong now shut up, you can't like that", but I interperated it the wrong way?

I never really said NCSoft didn't know what they were doing. I even said GW looks pretty darn' cool. (I have never been a fan of linage though) I didn't know we were still talking abotu sales and stuff though, I'd rather just get a game based on what my friends say than how many it has sold - and how experienced they are.

Anyways, I'm glad we sorted that out. xD No hard feelings? I am off to bed. ;; Night.

olawd, and you reply while I was still editing adding in crepe loads of stuff. Oh well.

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Oh, and running a GOOD RO server costs money, since you need to pay for a dedicated server box and a good internet connection, you can just run a server on a DSL connection on your home computer, though it probably won't be any good.

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We ran an RO server on cable just fine, supported up to 255 users at the same time, (I think) we had an average of 100 people on at any time and 200 something was like our max. Never had any problems...

Anyway, yea, I'm also not that happy about FFXI... for one, I've been a little mad at SquareEnix cause of their decision on the whole Chrono Trigger Ressurected thing... and me and my friends got something like 600 people to stop playing FFXI just because of that. XD

And I didn't say I had hard stats to back it up, all I said is that from what I've seen of people I know, and such, a LOT of people have been and will leave WoW.
Some of them are going to GW cause its free. XD saves them the money they spent on monthlys.

wowowowowowow... I just mentioned a word how i like WoW better and nnow this is all WoW hating topic? Have it your way, this really is a topic. I don´t want to argue but Yeah, Some like GW, som like FFXI, and some like WoW. That´s it!

Yeah this is a thread about GW, what, you expect people to go on about how wonderful WoW is? Genius, utter genius. Can I study at the detective school you went to, I mean, it must be a pretty good one for you to get a degree in deduction of that calibre, Sherlock.

Lol i still stand that teleportation sucks if its without limit even by reaching a town :P

...hmmm well, as its been said, You can ONLY teleport to a town once you've been to it once... and there are a lot of towns to uncover, so a lot of exploring to do. Its hard to get to most the towns, sometimes you might want to get a party to help you.
And most people don't like having to re-walk to a town, its actually one of the reasons people are pulled to this game. lol

If thats not your thing, well thats just 1 problem for you... lol you dont NEED to play it if it bugs you so much. XD Though there are a lot of other cool/good reasons to play.

Never said i need to :P I just said my view still stands the same way as before. o_o

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Yeah this is a thread about GW, what, you expect people to go on about how wonderful WoW is? Genius, utter genius. Can I study at the detective school you went to, I mean, it must be a pretty good one for you to get a degree in deduction of that calibre, Sherlock.

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FKIN IDIOT I SAID I LIKE WOW BETTER THAN THIS, SO WHAT!?!? DO YOU HAVE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERY SINGLE THING!?

and btw, does it look like i want everyone to adore WoW?? read my previous post..

Well I'm enjoying Guild Wars >_>

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Id love to try it sometime but like i said my puter blows :mad2: so for now im happy with playing WOW on someone elses computer. and I love my kitty! :love: :love: [img]http://home.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/heart.gif[/img] [img]http://home.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/heart.gif[/img] And can you dance in the middle of town naked and sing 'safety dance'? im just curious.

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