And we've shot down pretty much every reason you have except those regarding trade tarriffs and the like many times, and they've bounced right off your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
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And we've shot down pretty much every reason you have except those regarding trade tarriffs and the like many times, and they've bounced right off your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
The NWO, Norwegian World Order, will be the greatest civilisation... soon...
Actually, I would say that Communist Russia could have been THE greatest civilisation ever, they COULD have made communism work, but they failed, miserably because of their 40% Military Spending leading up to the fall of the USSR, so it would have to either the Roman, Macedonian or British empires, all of them were the most influential in their heyday...
I think that the USSR can only win here depending on how you define "great".
I never said it achieved greatness, only that it had the awesome potential of a communist system, that done properly (ie. Had Stalin not screwed it up) would have worked.
I don't think communism can work whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primus Inter Pares
I mean, it didn't have a great track record even before it was called the USSR.
Before the Russian Revolution, it didn't have a track record, but as for Pre-WW2 the 5 year plans greatly improved the Russian economy, had it not been for the destruction of WW2 and Stalin, Russia could have and probably would have won the Cold War.
Yeah, but I don't think that any communist regime could last for very long. It kind of runs on human fuel, and enslave people long enough and they will probably fight back.
I'm saying is that they had dissent in the beginning, middle, and end. Stalin sort of helped bring about their destruction, but they would have faced destruction regardless. Perhaps they could have outsed American control (which, according to Cloud No. 9, makes them a potential utopia), but they would have faltered after awhile.
Communism is pretty lame all around.
No, communism is the only workable system in all reality, it does not work on enslaving people at all. You convince the people that they are working for their nation and that the hard workers have a chance at advancing, the thing Russia did wrong was to not promote hard working loyal communists to higher posts, purge out corruption and spend money on peaceful purposes instead of military.
Russia had a very good chance of becoming THE superpower, their mistake was the Cold War, had they built up their economies for ten years before moving to engage the West they probably would have won, if they had kept up with research and such they would be the only superpower here today. True Communism is based on a system with no central government, where people work and get fed with no real worries, the standard of living in Russia was very good during the cold war, there was no unemployment and no poverty, crime (apart from corruption) was limited, where as in the US there was a huge divide between the rich and the poor leading to resentment, which could eventually undermine the American system.
It's important to avoid debates about capitalism v. communism, considering (especially) that I am an advocate of lassiez-faire capitalism and find communism impractical, unethical, and not in tune with reality (or people), and that's not really what this thread is about.
Perhaps, however, the USSR could have won the Cold War, but the question one really must ask is, "What makes a civilization great?" I align it to the freedom of the individual, and I thought everyone else did, too (I'm wrong). For some, it's the technological and artistic achievements of a society. Or for some (I mean, for Cloud) it's whatever can topple America.
What makes the USSR so great?
I never said the USSR was great, it screwed up, majorly, that's why I said that the British, Roman and Macedonian empires were probably the greatest Civs ever, the British deserve more credit, they pioneered the industrial revolution, the Greeks deserve a mention as well as the birthplace of democracy.
(SPOILER)Hey, I'm a lassiez-faire Capitalist too, doesn't mean I can't say that communism has great potential...
I would rather contend that there were merely no reports of crime and unemployment. Actually no, there WAS no unemployment, because the unemployed died in short order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primus Inter Pares
Communism has killed over 100,000,000 people worldwide. I'm not eager to let it have another shot. Anyway, this thread isn't about that.
One Ancient Empire I am particularly fond of is the Persian Empire. You can't really argue with them, they were hardcore. It'd be pretty nifty to visit Persepolis.
In addition, I love the southern American stuff, Nahuatl cultures. The Aztecs were surprisingly advanced and powerful, and had a vast empire indeed. In addition, the artwork of the Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, Olmecs, Toltecs, and so forth are quite startlingly beautiful. I would dearly love to visit the ruins of Chan Chan.
And though not an Empire, I'd also love to visit Easter Island to see the Moai.
No lol I read this 1045 page long book called History Of Rome. Man it is great. Its one of my dad's books so i forget the author of the book. IT went into details of each period and the weapons used at hte time. Man The Romans evolved in warfare and everything everytime it entered a new era, Even into the beginning of the middle ages.(when they abandon britain.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Itsunari 2000
Well, it isn't a right, because your society isn't free enough on that aspect. Or are you saying people are born with natural rights? Rights are abstract things that the government grant you. Not something you have by nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hachifusa
Uh, no. Government is nothing more than comprised of humans. The whole basis of our society is that we have unalienable rights. It doesn't matter how much a government tries to restrict them. They can with force, but even they can't touch some (freedom of thought, for instance).Quote:
Originally Posted by jrgen
Rights, by nature, are not favors.
really what is here is:
jrgen there are not inherent rights(like right to life).
Hachifusa There are inalienable rights(such as your right to your life).
Frankly nothing will probably be resolved since they are different philisophical views. Personally I am with Hachifusa here.. though I can see where jrgen comes from(or maybe... not sure).