let's just say that Aeris is OK. Not the best character and not the worst.
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let's just say that Aeris is OK. Not the best character and not the worst.
I'm not Aeris' biggest fan but it seems like you're being completely irrational.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Mage
1. She looks nothing like a tart
2. She is vague because she only has a limited amount of screen time
3. What good reason is there for her being annoying?
4. You can't expect a 22 year old flower girl to be as strong as a 6ft 5' macho man like Barret
5. No I don't share your opinion
guys guys wonder y they say this is the greatest rpg see look what they make u do argue over a one character
my opinion about her is that she comes in handy when i want a free heal she doesnt have the greatest attack and i know some characters are lioke that low attack high magic. so when u guys make comments and argue over such small things take a break and step back and look at how her death came into the story i mean i wouldnt argue over her i mean id argue over cat saith and his trator problem. so i mean if u dont like aresis fine with me if u love fine with me every one has theres ups and downs some good at mag some good at attack i mean areris death was sad cause im put alot of time into her lv up but i like how even thought she died she was still in the game playing her roll so every one it just a game ok play it enjoy love it hate it all that matters
When you think about it, anyone who claims that FFVII is the greatest RPG of all time would have to be fairly irrational anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by finalfantasyguy4ever
Why is that, for a great deal of people Final Fantasy VII IS the greatest, its all a matter of opinion when it comes down to it, and id bet that if you did a servey with people who have never played a FF in thier lives that they would say FFVII is said to be the best for example my wife to be is an avid games player but has never played a FF game in her life but she says that FFVII has been the most recomended to her. I dont know about you but I DO consider VII to be the best, I personally feel the reason many many people (like yourself for instance) feel that VII isnt the best is purely because of the Fanboi's (please note I class a fan boi someone that speaks in 1337 language and cap's) just because so many fug heads like it doesnt mean it isnt a great game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilliputian Hitcher
Altho saying that I am pretty irational :p jkjk
I'm not a big fan of Aeris... And she is selfish when it comes to Cloud. And wut f f freak said, Geat Gospel is not the best limit in the game from wut they said about wasting a Turbo Ether. Tifa is actually worth leveling up and u do not need Aeris in ur parrty to heal characters, they can just use a potion or sumthing... So, yeah...
Turbo Ether? on disk 1? I think not
I reckon!!Quote:
Originally Posted by finalfantasyguy4ever
Turbo Ether on Disc one is entirely possible. Just a time and effort intensive process that doesn't really pay off at all*. Though replace it with Ether if it makes you feel better. You still don't want to waste one on disc one.
Now then, as for 'natural' vs 'overall' mage. Natural mage is simply looking strictly at the mag and spr stat, in which case Aerith does win, hands down, followed by Cait, then Vincent, Cloud, etc.
The thing is, though, Aerith loses to each of these people in just about every other stat. So while she has the best mag offense, she has some of the worst survivability of the bunch, making them better overall casters, since while they may do a little less damage, they'll be able to do more damage without having to take a breather for healing or being dead. Out of the other choices for replacement mage, Cloud has the highest Str, Vit, and second best Dex for the most part, giving him the best blend of all the physical and magical attributes, the 2nd or 3rd highest HP on any given level, and the second best mp, making him the best overall.
As for how equipment matters, to this, Aerith, even assuming you shark her into the last disc, will have only 7 weapon slots for materia, while everyone else can have 8, meaning she can do less with materia than anyone else, reducing how much she can actually take advantage of her Mag with good materia combos.
If one brings sources into the equation, yes, you can make just about anyone a magical or combat god, but it takes far less to bring Cloud up to Aerith's magic level than it does Aerith to become Cloud's combative equivalent.
And I have to agree. Great Gospel is incredibly cheap. So is holy war, and to a lesser extent since it's random, so is invincible moon. They all take the stategy out of any fight they get used in. Of course, having Great Gospel for disc one is like having Holy War or Invincible moon on disc one of FF8. Utterly redundant, like most limits are at that point in the game in FF7.
And 'useful for ruby weapon', sure. But she's not available for Ruby. And if she was available for the entirety of the game, her limits would almost certainly be incredibly watered down, to fit the balance of the later game. As is, her limits have to be as they are to warrant trying to build up for them during such a time frame of usability, and even then they're largely redundant.
And you can be a fanatic and 'fanboi' without being incoherent or employing 1337.
Oh yeah, and saying "the creator of the website thinks it's great" is an appeal to authority.
* Like a certain other disc one process I could mention.
And this is what annoys me. Exactly what authority does someone who hasn't played any other FF in the series have in saying that FFVII is the best? Really, to claim that FFVII is the best RPG ever is rather ridiculous when you consider that one would have had to have PLAYED every RPG to fairly judge it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Reno~
Not to mention the fact that FFVII, and FF games in general, don't really fit the traditional definition of 'RPGs' anyway...
Fanboys annoy me, but it's certainly not why I don't consider FFVII to be the best; I would hate to think that people would actually base their opinions on something like that. The reason FFVII doesn't rate too highly with me is, pure and simply, I consider other FF games to be more thoughtfully constructed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilliputian Hitcher
Getting Back to the original meaning to this post... Aerith (The fixed english version of her name so we could pronounce it correctly) She's is the best Natural mage in the game, but just because shes a great natural mage means crap in a game where total customization of characters is possible. Aerith's only reason for being in combat at all was so you could use her simple limit breaks in a very easy strategy to power up other characters early on. Once She gets to "Fury Brand" she's hit the height of her usefulness beacuse at this point if you use a hyper on her she can max out the others limits which in turn makes them progress faster. They gave her "Venus Gospel" for those that like to get everything in the game, in other words its your reward for using her so much. So after Disc one usally all the other characters have risen to a level where you would no longer need her for support. Yet, lets say if she had been allowed into the rest of the game and they didn't change her limits she still wouldn't have been good against Ruby because of the simple face he removes two of your fighters at the beginning of battle making her still useless after rebirth because you spend too much time trying to protect her so she could fill her limit break. Also if she dies at all before you can cast the break you have to start all over with filling her break.
Yet I too have gotten off subject and joined in the why she's good and why she's bad arguement. As a character based on how time you have her for battle she's not great but she's desent, after she dies she's perfect for just character development and to move the story along.
I did not intend this thread for constant debates over stats and limit breaks. Half of the stuff on this thread shouldn't even belong here. Aeris limit breaks are good and I aknowledge that and respect her for that but that's not the point-Limit breaks are good over all SO DON'T USE LIMIT BREAKS AS EVIDENCE THAT AERIS IS GOOD!! I originally intended this thread to be about why people don't like Aeris and why based on her PERSONALITY not her stats or MP and such. I must admit I did not make this clear when I made this thread and now truly regret for not doing so. Stop saying that there is no reason to hate Aeris based on her stats and limit breaks-what did you think of the character herself?
In my opinion, when a character dies, they're out of the picture completely. With Aeris, this is not the case. She comes back the first time...I'm surprised. Then she comes back again and again...and the surprise turns into irritation. Even though Aeris has good intentions and wants to help Cloud, her 'visits' have an adverse affect. I think it's safe to say that we all want the main character to have a happy life. With Aeris coming back all the time she's actually inspiring more guilt and depression in Cloud making it harder and harder for him to just let her go. Thus, she's constantly hindering Cloud in making a happy life for himself. Like I said, she has good intentions, but her interfering is inadvertently preventing the happy ending from occurring. And I, for one, want a happy ending for the main character which Aeris is thwarting, though not intentionally. So whenever Cloud seems to really be happy Aeris shows up and things go down hill again. As such I find her annoying. (and her flirting didn't help either) So, I see Aeris as a true killjoy and thus I have developed a dislike towards her.Quote:
Wont let anyone get over her death? so what undead Aerith stood behind Cloud and suddenly she can read his mind (because lets not forget she is psychic now) and clouts him over the head saying "how dare you think you can get over my death" *clouts him some more just for good measure*
Do you really know what I mean when I call her a tart?! DO YOU?! I meant as an unsavory character. For reasons of why I think she is annoying see above.Quote:
I'm not Aeris' biggest fan but it seems like you're being completely irrational.
1. She looks nothing like a tart
2. She is vague because she only has a limited amount of screen time
3. What good reason is there for her being annoying?
4. You can't expect a 22 year old flower girl to be as strong as a 6ft 5' macho man like Barret
5. No I don't share your opinion
I do not expect her to be as macho as Barret but that's a very unbalanced comparison anyway. I found that she hindered rather than helped the group as it was difficult to keep her alive (excluding limit breaks). And yet you have to have her in your active group to level her to make sure she's powerful enough to survive in the Temple. Also, with her little HP and little damage the only thing I found her useful for was limit breaks and story plot. I found her vague especially in one situation during the date at the Golden Suacer. The conversation went roughly like this:
Aeris:Cloud, I want to meet..you
Cloud: I'm right here.
Aeris: (I know, I know, what I mean...) I mean I want to meet ... you.
WTF? Vague? Yes. Clear? No. and such a theme permeates some of the deeper things she says. So yes she was vague. As for #5: well of course you obviously don't share my opinion. But Mobiletype, why did you get onto a thread that's clearly labled 'For all Aeris haters' if you obviously don't hate Aeris?
With that said I would like to remind everyone once again that I did not create this thread to listen to debate over natural mage and stats and limit breaks. I meant it to ask what in Aeris' personality and some actions cause you to like or dislike Aeris? That is my question that I came to ask and hear your opinions. Not debates over stats and limit breaks and HP and MP: that all comes with the character but it's not the character, of whom I have questioned your opinions of. So tell me: What did you think of Aeris?
I agree areis was soooo useless in combat and out of combay she is annoying and never gives cloud space I am happy she did'nt make the whole game:fencing: :radred: :skull: :shoot: :tonberry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Mage
I agree. Thank you. This was getting WAY too outta hand.
Now, Aeris was quite a nice character, and, sure, it would have been nice if she didn't die (or STAY DEAD after she had died), but it's something you can't change. Most people say "If they make a remake for ff7 on the ps3, they should make Aeris revivable!" No, they should not. It would ruin the whole concept of her death. Not only that, but in real life can bring the dead back alive? No? And for those who say, "But it isn't real life!" that's true, but I think Square tried to make it at least a little lifelike. Therefore Aeris should not be revived.
Sorry if I was going off topic, but I have many opinions to express and I have already told everyone what I think of Aeris in the previous posts. I just thought that this was a topic that needed clearing up.
I agree aries is of better use than tifa tifa has high everything but magic than aries:tonberry: :twak:Quote:
Originally Posted by Quistis_Trepe