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:lol: nice picture! Gimmick or not, Relm is figuring quite high on my scum radar now. She is not my number 1, I am keen not to get caught up in the moment like many players seem to. There are still too many inconsistencies with Wedge for me to want to change votes. I am also keen not to forget that I still have heavy suspicions of Wakka even though he is not posting. I won't let him slip through so easily!
Wait, no, this doesn't make me take my eye off you, in fact it makes me stare at you even harder. Why take out Faris or me when you can take out Noctis! After all, Noctis did plan a show down with you on Day 5, and we all know how good a play Psychotic is. Noctis all but shouted he was Bulletproof believing it would save him from being knight killed, but a serial killer doesn't use a gun and he more than hinted at his role.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
I am geniunely confused as to why I am on anyones scum radar or indeed being voted for at all. About the only slight bit of weak reasoning anyone can have is that I went after yuffie from day 2 who ended up not flipping mafia as I'd hoped, and yeah I'll admit I made the wrong call, but it's not like I was the only one. The talented mr. Biggs over there made up half of my argument against her in the first place as I referenced in my own post, and I defy anyone to really go back and tell me I was unjustified in thinking she was scummy. Hell, Biggsy boy, you said yourself that yuffie was hella suspicious and had your vote on her up until the last possible minute when you flip flopped again, the reason being as I can best discern it simply that you wanted to continue your little game with Psy and nothing to do with Blank seeming any more suspicious than Yuffie. Sure town, and you, got lucky that blank flipped scum, but you and others were just as wary of her as I was :redface: other than that, I honestly don't have a clue other than everyone having Bigg's "gut feeling" indigestion, and there's nothing I can do about that poor reasoning anyway so, why should I worry? :shobon:
Knight killed! I loled at myself :lol:
p.s hey wedge while you're here why not give us the hot gossip from the mafia forum come on buddy don't hold out on us
Relm darling, in two hours your are going to find out why I can't give you that gossip
I'm back from education stuff! And great, the day is still here. Finally.
While Relm is certainly annoying with her MS paint masterpieces, she certainly isn't my greatest concern. I think we need to get our priorities straight here. What has been our biggest mystery so far since day two?
Wedge and his reports. While we could try and lynch someone else, it's not going to solve anything because as someone else previously said (Can't remember who exactly), the mafia aren't going to kill him. By allowing Wedge to survive, were just dragging ourselves deeper into this convoluted mess rather than focusing on other issues.
If Wedge is some investigative mafia role, then great. But even if he flips town, were not exactly likely to get a report again now with his track record and he hasn't really contributed much to other discussions.
Biggs did come up with some very odd theories about Noctis being Mafia Godfather which we all now know were not true. He also roleclaimed to try to get traction in an attempt to threaten Noctis. I find it a little odd that he would keep targetting one of the town's strongest assets and trying to encourage a lynch against him. I appreciate there may be a forum rivalry between Psychotic and Del Murder but what if that is just a cover up - an excuse? Would you really lynch a good player who is a bulletproof townie just to settle an admin score?
Sure you can buddy. I won't tell anyone, artist-fake townie confidentialty and all that. Just tell me the truth.
To be honest rivalries should mean nothing when your trying to help the bleeding town :mad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Luneth
I actually thought Noctis was part of a rival scum faction trying to take out his competition. Mafia Godfather and SK are also sometimes bulletproof. Also I really wanted that showdown and I would have never killed my boy Noctis. :(
I did suspect Blank. Go read my posts. My vote flip flopped between Yuffie and Blank all day because I suspected them both pretty equally. I stuck with Yuffie for a while because I felt Noctis had Blank handled and it's kind of grueling to have us both gang up on someone. In the end my grilling of Yuffie convinced me to change at the end of the day.
Relm, my vote is on you mainly because you were one of the final votes for Yuffie and you have been playing under the radar. Also poop.
I was the second person to vote yuffie and I stayed on her all day, and I started going after her on day 2. :redface: I don't really get how I've been going under the radar either, I've been posting pretty much most of the time I've been on apart from during the clustersmurf on day 2 when I had no idea what was going on and couldn't be bothered to join in.
all that said, I have no riposte for "poop", so well played.
Biggs, Balthier has also been flying under the radar, only stopping in mainly during day two. Balthier was dangerously close to getting lynched on that day, and now's he's been more quiet than he was; it seems to me like he is avoiding the board more.
They mean everything! The point of this is to be entertained and we would have put on a good show. Up until Yuffie mentioning kevlar vests I was not convinced that Noctis wasn't a SK or Mafia Godfather going after the rival's SK or Godfather. Both roles are often night kill immune.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] PeneloTo be honest rivalries should mean nothing when your trying to help the bleeding town :mad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Luneth
You should know by now that my MO involves flip flopping votes left and right. Keeps the mafia guessing. In the end if I didn't think Noctis was scum I wouldn't have voted for him.
Very true, however, Balthier voted for Blank and I think that buys him another day. He's certainly a viable under the radar candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
As are you! :eek:
Since when? Petty rivalries distract the town from concentrating on finding mafia. While I'm sure the town would have loved a good show, I'm pretty sure trying to win is probably top priority right?
Besides, we have Relm's lovely drawings for entertainment.
to further elaborate, there are 6 players still alive who have been here less than I have, although this will take me level with balthier, which leaves 5 players alive who have posted more than me, one of whom is Wakka and 90 of his posts have been "I'm going for dinner."
so yeah, you're full of it. well, that's what i'd like to say, but I've still got no come back for "poop", so. :(
The point of this is to kill mafia. This does sound like a cover up to me. What would you have done after you lynched him and we found out he was town? Apologized for killing a valuable asset and asked for a free pass because he is your rival?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
This doesn't sit right with me. Sorry, I know you are a good player and I feel uneasy accusing you. I just don't know.
If anything, I'm flying more above the radar than I have previously, I never intended not to post anything for Days Two - Four, it just sort of happened due to life stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] BiggsVery true, however, Balthier voted for Blank and I think that buys him another day. He's certainly a viable under the radar candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
As are you! :eek:
I think someone said I posted roughly five times on Day One, no one can say I'm not posting today; I've been present for most of the day, sans the middle.
LOL :lol: I do not know if you have seen the discussion thread but Psycho is going PSYCHO about us lynching Biggs.
I don't know. Biggs is scummy but I am finding it hard to see past Wedge. Is Psycho usually wrong about this sort of thing? Not really.
Well this IS THE PSYCHO. Ordinarily, my chip implanted in the base of my spine would obey Psychotic without question, but Wedge's annoying reports are niggling me. It can't be coincidence that everyone has wound up dead from his reports. What he do, lace em with anthrax or something :p
What happens when anyone lynches a town? You move on and try again. You also act like I would have had the power of 10 votes at my disposal. It would have taken more than just me to lynch him so I hope I wouldn't get the sole blame.
None of you know what this supposed 'showdown' would have been so stop assuming that I'm a scum by asking for it. Psychotic has unorthodox methods but he finds the mafia in the end. Who's to say this wouldn't have ended the same? Feel free to lynch me for my flip flopping and aggressive style, but please leave this stupid showdown alone because it is wasting time.
I don't really care how this "showdown" would have ended up, the mere fact that there was going to be some form of "showdown" when really we should be working together to fight the mafia is at best disconcerting.
Still, I'll keep my vote on Wedge. While I am highly suspicious of you Biggs, Wedge is more of a concern for me.
I disagree. I think the showdown you kept calling for is a key piece of evidence to your intentions. I am now concerned because you are trying to avoid discussion and deflect away from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
I'm still not sure I buy Refia as town; Remember that report came from a neutral source. Is it neutral to scotch a false theory by town? Seems more likely that, this being mindsmurf mafia, someone has a role that can influence Stiltz.*
Sure that could be a townie influencing a reveal from the mod, but it could also be a mafia planting a red herring to throw off a valid conjecture.
*Sure it hasn't (to my knowledge, I still haven't read *all* of the walls of text as evinced by the fact that I am not sixty-four years old to have had that much time) happened in a game before, but this is mindsmurf, which is a perfect time to introduce never-before-seen roles.
I still want Setzer's head. If I can't have it in a lynch, well, we know there is at least one and possibly two night kill roles active aside from the Mafia's generic kill, so hopefully I can influence a town-aligned night killer.
Wow, that's almost scary. How can a role do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
I don't know. It's not mine, and it's never before seen. It could be anything.
Well, between Relm's lovely picture and the mafia thread itself calling for his head, I'll tentatively go for it. I'm still not convinced, this is going better judgement probably...
##UNVOTE: [M] Wedge
##VOTE: [M] Biggs
I feel like now would be a great time to have a tally and time-check?
LOL Relm :lol: Classic!!!
Do you think somebody is trying to tell us to lynch Biggs? :p I know I said I would not get caught up in the moment but it is difficult.
Look, there's no complaining when Psychotic is pleading with you to vote. It's practically blasphemy!
What more possible discussion would you want to have about a hypothetical event that never took place?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Luneth
Did I save Blank? No. Was Noctis a cleared anything before Blank's lynch? No. So how can you blame me for trying to get into his head since he is such an influencial, and therefore dangerous, player?
The thread title was most likely changed by Psychotic, people.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
I love how you guys were so concerned about this showdown yet are gleefully jumping right in now that it is going down anyway. :p
Okay, evidence against Biggs:
- The roleclaim. Under no pressure, and a role nobody would want to lynch.
- Trying to eliminate the best player for the town with weird theories.
- Hiding behind this "showdown" idea and refusing to discuss it.
And, to be honest, if Wedge is telling the truth his role is more useful than a "vengeful townie". If you are one, feel free to target me.
##unvote: Wedge
##vote: Biggs
god damnit I didn't want to bite but I saw the thread title and actually laughed. oh well. why the hell not. you're voting for me for bunk reasons anyway, so...
##vote Biggs
right back at ya, big guy. :shobon:
Ok fine. This has taken up enough of my time. Of course I am not a Vengeful Townie. That's a dumb thing to claim and I only did it to keep the mafia guessing at my real role.
I am a Suspicious Townie. I have the ability to kill people who visit me at night. I see who visits me and I'm given the option to kill them. Last night I killed Refia. It's a one-time use though so I can't kill anyone else. The reason I killed Refia is because she voted Yuffie when it was between her and Blank and that was enough. I was very sure she had come to clear me which is also why I thought she was Mafia Spy at first.
BIG congrats to Psychotic for somehow lynching me from beyond the grave. You sick bastard. I hope you rep Rikku and get back in this because the town needs all the help it can get.
I'm laying down because I don't think Wedge is scum and I don't think anyone else will get enough votes. But, just in case.
##Unvote: Relm
##Vote: Setzer
Thanks for letting me play 3 times Jiro. I was a few hundred million Dels short, though.
I think we should all do what the thread title tells us, kiddies. The thread title is kind of important, no?
##Vote Biggs
The guy just admitted to lying about his role just to avoid being lynched. Come on now! :p I think, all joking aside, that we did the right thing.
Some of you did. ;)
Ten minutes. The thread title was not changed by the host and should be disregarded.
[M] Biggs (5) - Wedge, Penelo, Luneth, Relm, Leila
[M] Wedge (2) -Penelo, Faris,Luneth, Leon
[M] Setzer (2) - Rydia,Penelo,Wedge, Biggs
[M] Penelo (1) - Wakka
[M] Leila (1) - Balthier
[M] Relm (1) -Biggs, Setzer
[M] Wakka (0) -Biggs
[M] Rikku (0) -Setzer
By those people I mean the mafia who voted for me.
I don't care two trouts if you don't believe me right now, but you will in an hour.
For the record I believe Faris, Rydia, and Wedge's claims. The rest of you should all roleclaim tomorrow because you are running out of time. We all should have just roleclaimed from the beginning. In a mindsmurf that's probably the best way to get out of it.
It's kind of sad, on my part, that I took all this time and put all this analysis into this game only to die by the whim of Psychotic. Hopefully my posts will be useful to someone tomorrow and you all look at the past instead of just living in the moment.
Thanks again Jiro for letting me back in and B2K I'm sorry I killed you before you could make your big reveal post. Quina feels your pain. :(
*snip*
~uh, no.
Biggs hung his head. He knew it was all over for him. All he ever wanted to do was avenge his beloved princess Quina. But now he was staring at the hangman's noose and there was nothing left to do. He turned to the crowd and gave his final words, urging them to succeed where he could not, and praying they would not lynch another townie.
As the platform fell, a single voice echoed in Biggs' head: There ain't no gettin' offa this train we're on.
[M] Biggs was a Suspicious Townie played by Raebus, replaced by Shattered Dreamer, and then replaced by Del Murder whereupon the first, last and every post in between was made. You can always rely on Del Murder to give a game of Mafia 100%. You're a bro, pa Murd.
Night begins now. 18 hours to get your night actions in. Don't delay.
Did Del Murder and Psy both just sub back in? O_O
Also you know how you guys validated Psychotic by lynching Blank? You also validated him by lynching Biggs. You have made Psychotic an egomaniac the likes of which we have never seen.
Assholes. ...:aimkiss:
We all went to bed excited for the following day, kupo. Today is a day of many feasts and celebrations! Sadly, two won't be joining us in the festivities.
[M] Leila was an Insane Cop played by Faris.
[M] Setzer was a Mafia Ninja played by Shauna.
We mustn't let this ruin a good time though! :mog: Day begins now, and will continue for 31 hours. An extended day for an extended celebration. We're on like, Mars time now, baby. Kupo! :mog:
Oh yeah. And with 11 players remaining, it takes 6 for a majority lynch. :mog:
WHAT DID I TELL YOU?
Alrighty. I am a replacement Wakka. I will try not to get too distracted by dinner, games and that shiny thing outside. :p Maybe even, if I can, actually contribute.
Rightly to be great
Is not to stir without great argument,
But greatly to find quarrel in a straw
When honour's at the stake. How stand I then,
That have a father kill'd, a mother stain'd,
Excitements of my reason and my blood,
And let all sleep? while, to my shame, I see
The imminent death of twenty thousand men, 60
That, for a fantasy and trick of fame,
Go to their graves like beds, fight for a plot
Whereon the numbers cannot try the cause,
Which is not tomb enough and continent
To hide the slain? O, from this time forth,
My thoughts be bloody, or be nothing worth!
Alright. Wedge and Faris, what do you have for us today?
A new Wakka! The old one was suspicious to me, new Wakka. I think it only fair you be given some time to show who you are before getting into any accusations though. I look forward to working with you :)
Wedge still features heavily in my thoughts. His report will be interesting. I wonder if it was sent to Setzer or Leila ;)
Let's see... Blah blah blah blah. Setzer guilty. Blah blah blah blah. Lynch his ass. Blah blah blah. I think that sums it up quite well.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
So who's left? People keep dying after I find them suspicious. Which is suspicious. I knew something was up with leila, insane it seems!
So we have:
Leon
Rydia
Wedge
Relm
Faris
Wakka
Luneth
And me! Right?
Cid, Rikku and Penelo too I think, though none have been very active.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Balthier
Go on, poke the bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FarisLet's see... Blah blah blah blah. Setzer guilty. Blah blah blah blah. Lynch his ass. Blah blah blah. I think that sums it up quite well.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
But ask yourself--who do you think killed Setzer?
Two deaths last night with one being mafia almost confirms an sk in play. Those smurfers are the hard ones to find.
Leila is insane, right? Who did she investigated? If we look upon her investigations, we can determine who we should lynch today as scum.
Almost midnight here so I'll try my best with staying awake for awhile.
Yes, I find this highly suspicious as well. Almost as if there's someone out to get those people... you know, people we find suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balthier
That statement is intriguing, either your mafia and there's a partner who is killing those people you scope out on your radar as "suspicious". Or there's a clever serial killer trying to put blame on you.
Actually, the more I think about it, a Serial Killer trying to subtly place blame on us might be a given.
I don't think Leila got a single innocent claim, so as an insane cop that clears Wedge and Faris, if I am not mistaken?
She investigated Yuffie on Day One and got a guilty result, which is obviously not true now as she flipped JOAT town.
Actually, here are all of em.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeilaI investigated her night 1, turned up guilty. So did Wedge night 2 and Faris night 3. I investigated Notcis this past night to determine if I'm paranoid I didn't get anything back unfortunately. So I'm rather useless, folks! Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] PeneloWhat were the reasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leila
So, as things stand there, it was possible that she was paranoid, not insane. Now of course she is confirmed insane, and from what I understand her results are always randomised. She must have got loads of bad luck then for all her results to come back guilty.
Paranoid investigations return the opposite of the truth; if she'd investigated, say Setzer, he would have come up innocent.
*still smug*
Well, whatever flavour of cops that mean it always turns up guilty. I don't know! :roll2
Paranoid gets always guilty. Insane gets opposite. :)
I just looked up the MafiaScum wiki, so I'm not just pulling this outta nowhere. :p
Ah! See, I knew I was on the right lines! Thanks Wakka.
I'm at a turkey day thjng so i can't write too much out but, i find relm to be more than they appear. They were dead set on biggs yesterday even after he claimed. For now,
##vote: relm
Last time I checked, Relm was just one person.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Balthier
And besides, Biggs and his roleclaims weren't exactly innocent sounding. As Luneth said earlier, he roleclaimed only to avoid being lynched, and then he roleclaimed again. Besides, it wern't just Relm and Luneth; other people voted for Biggs as well so I would read too much into it. You do realise we were just following Psychotic for the hell of it?
Eep, sorry Leila! There has been so much going on over the past day that I forgot about your results! Sorry too Wedge.
If not Wedge then I think I turn to Wakka and Relm. As stated before, Wakka is new to the day so while I suspect, I'm still hesitant to push for a lynch yet. Relm has been flitting in and out, although it is interesting that Setzer, confirmed mafia, followed Del like a sheep and voted for Relm.
I am heavily anticipating Wedge's latest night report; with the amount of people dwindling, hopefully there won't be no more screw ups because of some unfortunate death or something like that...
Speak for yourself! I wasn't. I mean, yes, I got caught up in it all a little, but I do still think there were genuine reasons for lynching Biggs and I posted those. The bogus roleclaim being the biggest.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
I like how Luneth is passing me off for some manic character, just voting for people for the sake of Psychotic. Did Psychotic influence my decision to vote Biggs? Of course, but he was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I do remember saying that I was hesitant in voting Biggs for the first place due to my suspicions on Wedge. Psychotic's frantic posts in the discussion thread just gave me the extra conviction to change.
Well alright Penelo but you have to understand how it looks.
One of the reasons I suspected Del in the first place was because he was hiding behind "I MUST DUEL PSYCHOTIC TO THE DEATH! oops he's town, sorry :)" as a reason to pursue a townie. Someone saying "I MUST FOLLOW LORD PSYCHOTIC'S EVERY WORD! oops he's town, sorry :)" as justification for pursuing a townie too then there's a real mirroring.
I said they cause i dont know which game from is from and i don't know if from is male or female :( so i said they
Wedge now has 2 confirmed townies to send reports to; Assume for now that he's town and put yourself in the mafia's :bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou: Wedge, as a townie, would not risk sending his report to the mafia, so it will go to either Faris or Cid. That means the mafia can either get a 50% chance of stopping his report by taking out one of those two, or a 100% chance of stopping it by taking out Wedge himself.
Ergo, if Wedge is town, by lynching him we're freeing up the mafia to use their night kill to go after someone with a potentially more useful ability.
If he's mafia, a) he'll definitely be around tomorrow provided we don't waste a lynch; and b) either there will be no report or it will come from someone other than Faris or Cid. That would be something to go on.
I was right about the knave, and I'm right about this.
OK, filtering the word posit ion is really pissing me off.
If I'm being honest alot of things in this game looks one thing but is actually another. This game is full of coincidences.
And what's with all the criticism on me! I wern't the only one who listened to Psychotic. Leila, as insane as she is, said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M
It wasn't just me, is what I'm trying to say.
Relm* sorry autocorrect
also goddammit, forgot that Leila cleared Wedge.
So Wedge is effectively a meat shield to defend the town? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M
Main point is that Wedge is as good as dead anyways if we don't have a protective role.
Hang on, what roles are actually KIA?
I'll get a list in a second. Bear with.
Ok, so we have lost our doctor very early on, which is annoying. We lost our beloved princess, which is bad and our friendly bus driver. Also, a bullet proof townie is dead, as is our JOAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Stiltzkin
We might have one more protective role left, but then again it's all down to the composition of the town. Wedge is effectively the town's protective role :|
wat. xD did you even read the day at all yesterday?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Balthier
As always: Wedge, Faris, cough up your investigations.
Essentially at this point we have (what I believe) to be three cleared town: Wedge, Faris and Rydia. Wedge and Faris because of Miss Leila's insane investigations. This leaves us with you guys:
Leon
Relm
Luneth
Cid
Rikku
Penelo
Balthier
And of course me, who probably has the worst track record out of everyone. :p
But yesterday was a ridiculous day towards the end. I get the feeling that at least one of the people who jumped on Biggs yesterday are scum. So I gots my eyes on you Luneth, Penelo and Relm.
I don't agree that Cid is definitely town. So the mafia poisoned him - that doesn't stop him from being a serial killer. I do agree though, that Faris probably would be the safest bet for sending the report to.
Anyway, I need to hit the hay. :)
Only if the mafia knew even then that there was a SK in play, which we can't be 100% certain of even now. I believe the SK speculation arose from the night phase where only Galuf died, after the kill order on Cid was sent in. Where's your information coming from?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
Wedge and Leila also voted for Biggs, and Leila was a insane cop townie, meaning Wedge is also town. Effectively, Townies also voted for Biggs. It weren't some mafia ploy to lynch him!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
No, it was unalloyed sequaciousness.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
Query for the longtime players: Has Jack of All Trades been used before? If so, we can safely assume all remaining roles are ones that have been in play prior to now. It would be bootless for Jiro to give us 2 new roles when the first one to die would alert us to the possibility of a second. One, I could see, for mindsmurf reasons. Not two.
Right, I'm off to bed. It's half one in the morning in England :eep:
Happy thanksgiving (To those who celebrate it) and happy days in general town!
I think it was used in Mafia XIX under a different name. Wildcard I think it was called.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
Be scared of all of these votes:
[M] Relm (1) - Balthier
26 hours left if my maths is right.
We have time to arrive at a conclusion.
I haven't voted because I don't know who to vote for. I can be influenced, folks.
Ok, Imma go through a few things, and just post them as I find them.
IMO a pretty good night. A confirmed cop, which confirms Wedge and Faris as townies. And no more ninja (well done mysterious killer).
Ok, first up.
To me this is going a bit far. I don't think Jiro's ego would handle not being in control of the town. He is the GM, he is in control.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
Refia was blue and then confirmed to be a cop-like town by Stiltz. If someone were in control of our GM, then that would be twice, such a role would be way to over powered. Although I was not at all trusting in Wedge or Faris, I'm inclined to believe that the guilty verdict on those two confirms their innocence. Better come through with some nice results today guys.
Ok, initially I was rather confused by this, as I didn't recall Cid ever being cleared as innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
Then I remembered that Cid was visited by Galuf (therefore poisoned), as told to us by the now confirmed to be innocent Faris, and Rydia, acting as the Apothecary saved Cid.
Side thought here. If Wedge or Faris were some sort of Mafia role that came up innocent when investigated (and therefore guilty to Leila), then either one of these two could be scum. This removes all that CONFIRMED townie stuff, but I still think that we can't be too safe calling them 100% confirmed. At least one of them should be town though...
The Godfather is dead, remember?
Also, pay no attention to that entire post with all of the BOUs; I was trying to bait a trap for Luneth because I skimmed past the part where he realized Wedge was clear. If Luneth wasn't trying to convince us to lynch Wedge, that whole post is worthless.
Are you disputing the possibility that Cid (or anyone else) is a serial killer purely based on the fact that the Mafia targeted Cid before there was speculation that an SK existed? If so, that's nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RydiaOnly if the mafia knew even then that there was a SK in play, which we can't be 100% certain of even now. I believe the SK speculation arose from the night phase where only Galuf died, after the kill order on Cid was sent in. Where's your information coming from?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wakka
There were four kills in one night, and a bunch of mafia have been killed at night. There's certainly another killer out there, and they could well be an SK.
Quite the contrary; I favour the SK hypothesis. What I'm disputing is that the mafia would be trying to kill a SK before any evidence regarding its existence surfaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
There have been types of Jacks previously (I recall it being called the Inventor in one game). I think that is a dangerous assumption, we have already had Gladiator and Spy, both of which have not been player before. There are likely to be more new roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
You suggested that the mafia have control over Stiltz, but it is inconceivable to imagine there being more than one godfather, or a lawyer, or even another made up role? Adding to what I said above Jiro is the creative type, and this does appear to be a role based mindsmurf (especially given the bus driver). I would expect more new roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
Ah, fair enough. Although, Night 2 was evidence of another killing faction, so many deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RydiaQuite the contrary; I favour the SK hypothesis. What I'm disputing is that the mafia would be trying to kill a SK before any evidence regarding its existence surfaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
The mafia may have just targeted Cid because he was not a mafian, this action doesn't prove or disprove Cid being an SK. This is irrelevant to this point.
Also, if (pretty wild if, I know), if Faris is scum that appears innocent to regular cops, then the whole Cid being poisoned and you being the saviour is bogus (could mean you're in cahoots, could mean that they fooled you, who knows). While this is unlikely it is still possible.
Gladiator and spy are in the mafia wiki; one would not try to pull a surprise by using a role whose existence we could be expected to be apprised of. Not impossible by any means, but I don't buy it.
Regarding duplicate roles, given that we are down to less than 50% of the original participants, it is statistically probable that a duplicate would have surfaced ere now were one to exist.
New roles: I raised the possibility specifically so that someone would promptly put it to bed. Why is this the only time I've ever raised a thought when it wasn't immediately pilloried? Do you people have some way of knowing when I'm trying to manipulate you? :stare:
I wouldn't worry about the SK just yet anyways; There's still a fair enough chance the mafs will take the SK out for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
I think there would have to be at least 5 mafia for a game with 23 players, and we've only taken out 3. Let's try to bag at least one more before worrying about the SK.
The game started with 25 players :mog:
Sorry, I thought when you said "Has Jack of All Trades been used before? If so, we can safely assume all remaining roles are ones that have been in play prior to now" you were asking if roles (such as the Jack) had been used before on EoFF, not if they existed on the Wiki. My bad :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
This is a fair call, all I'm saying is that one could arise in the next 50%.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
With this many power roles, and Jiro being Jiro, I expect, nay, I demand there be new roles in play! :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
That doesn't change my thinking; if I were putting one of these together, I'd go with a maf:town ratio of 1:5, rounded up. The math is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
I'm not coming out and saying "only 2 more left guys" because I'm not a telepath. Just positing another hypothesis for the rest of the players, mafia and town alike, to fall on like the rabid wolves they truly are <3
Agreed. My main point there was that there was no point to make there. I'm keeping my eyes open for that other killing faction, but we can't be sure who it is though, can we?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RydiaI wouldn't worry about the SK just yet anyways; There's still a fair enough chance the mafs will take the SK out for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
I think there would have to be at least 5 mafia for a game with 23 players, and we've only taken out 3. Let's try to bag at least one more before worrying about the SK.
Or can we?
Faris. You've posted today, but who did you watch last night? WHY HAVE YOU NOT TOLD US?!!
Tell me you visited Setzer and saw who killed that scum!
Oh, if you did see, keep it mum for now. Let them kill off the mafia before we go ousting them. Who knows what their alignment will be.
Of course I tracked Setzer last night due to Rydia telling us to lynch him yesterday, but I didn't come up with anything for a result. He is after all a freakin' ninja, so you'd expect he'd be all sneaky avoiding being tracked by someone like me. And I don't think you understand my role. I can't see what the person I've tracked does, or who's been targeting them. I'm only aware of who they targeted, and nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeonAgreed. My main point there was that there was no point to make there. I'm keeping my eyes open for that other killing faction, but we can't be sure who it is though, can we?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RydiaI wouldn't worry about the SK just yet anyways; There's still a fair enough chance the mafs will take the SK out for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
I think there would have to be at least 5 mafia for a game with 23 players, and we've only taken out 3. Let's try to bag at least one more before worrying about the SK.
Or can we?
Faris. You've posted today, but who did you watch last night? WHY HAVE YOU NOT TOLD US?!!
Tell me you visited Setzer and saw who killed that scum!
Oh, if you did see, keep it mum for now. Let them kill off the mafia before we go ousting them. Who knows what their alignment will be.
And I didn't get to tell earlier because I was busy eating and partying with my folks.
Ok, figured I'd recap on what Biggs did earlier and try to understand the night actions. I've just taken what Biggs wrote and copied some bits, but altered others where it was my opinion (or where new facts have been released). I'll add Biggs' summary here in spoilers, and mine below that.
Sorry if it is confusing. It is confusing.
(SPOILER)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Biggs
Night 1
Laguna - Serah was targeted by Yuffie for a kill, but Laguna was killed. Since it was Night 1 Laguna likely protected himself. The probable scenario is that the Bus Driver swapped Laguna and Serah, Serah got protection while Laguna got the bullet. That also explains why Serah never got a 'report' from Wedge.
I'm going to assume the mafia has two kills, the poison and a night kill. Or there are two mafias. Or mafia and SK. The other deaths don't make sense otherwise. On this night, one killer tried to shoot Nocits while Galuf poisoned Quistis.
Night 2
Quistis - Died of Galuf's poison
Serah - No clue. Standard mafia hit? - IMO likely to be mafia hit due to 'confirmed' status as gov.
Kain, Quina - No clue. Would mean that there are two other killing factions. Yuffie shot night one, Sazh never shot and Biggs didn't shoot until later on. That's three townies with guns. I'm inclined to believe that at least one of these two deaths was third party based on the odds. (which raises the question, if one is an SK like third party, what was the other killer? - I think it may have been another one shot given the lack of unexplained deaths later on)
Night 3
Galuf - I'm inclined to believe that this was the same 3rd party/vigilante. Galuf would have targeted someone this night, either it was Cid (who was then saved by Rydia), or it was Noctis or Yuffie.
Night 4
Noctis - Likely killed by the Mafia ninja, but could have been poisoned on night 3.
Yuffie - Either killed by the 'other killer', killed by the mafia, or poisoned on night 3.
Refia - Shot by Biggs the Paranoid Gun Owner.
Night 5
Leila - Likely killed by the mafia before she had the chance to get an innocent (guilty) result on some scum.
Setzer - Probably killed by the 'other killer'.
Any thoughts/corrections? (I understand that I've put a lot of possibilities for Night 4, but I think we need to take all possibilities into account and go with the most likely one)
Your thoughts on Night 5 seems quite possible. In fact, I'll have to say that I agree with you 100%. I doubt a mafia would target one of their own, hence Leila was their main target for last night. As for Setzer, he is likely the target of another killing faction, maybe it's an SK, but who knows. You have brought up a possibility of a 2nd mafia earlier, have you not? How can we know there's more than one mafia to deal with?
Didn't realise you only saw who they saw, and not saw who saw them as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
Sorry, missed that part of the ninja role, just got a little excited. :shobon:
Oh well, let's see what Wedge has for us then.
This will be difficult to know. Given the number of scum down so far, odds are if there is a second mafia, either both mafias know this, or we've completely wiped out one mafia (it would be unfair for each mafia to have more than say, 3 members each).Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
I don't know how we'd find out if there is more than one mafia though, as we don't know who they're loyal to. I suppose if there is another godfather, finding that godfather would answer that question.
The only other reason I'd suspect a second mafia over another third party killer at this point is the possibility that Jiro wanted to put in a second mafia, as there rarely is one, and this game probably had enough people for it to be feasible.
Though this is unlikely IMO, and there is no real evidence for it.
Can Cultists or Masons have a killing role?
No reason why they can't. Could have started with one, could've recruited one.
Sorry I've been away. I'm going to make this short and sweet.
I suspect Relm and Penelo the most. They've both been dodgy and they both followed gleefully into the lynch of Biggs yesterday.
Clearly we have at least two killers. One of them may be pro-town, but my guess is that neither of them are. I strongly think that they are Penelo and Relm.
Biggs suspected Relm and he paid the price for it. Let's not make that mistake today.
##Vote: Relm
I think any inconsistencies in Relm's behaviour can be explained away by being subbed out for a new player.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rikku
You're benefiting from that same line of reasoning, so I wouldn't push it too hard.
Indeed, we cannot be certain that there is a SK in play. The only information I have is that there has been at least two night kills for most of the nights so far - what I am assuming is a mafia kill, and then a mystery third party killer. Any one of us could be the third party killer, and that includes Cid.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
It'd be silly for me to say that Cid is definitely a SK/whatevs, I have no proof of that, all I am saying is that we can't clear Cid as innocent at this point, and it would be silly to disregard him from our suspect lists.
So, two confirmed town voted for Biggs, that makes the rest of you town too? Nope, not buying it. You are right though, it wasn't a mafia ploy. The mafia can very easily take advantage of the disorganisation of the town in situations like those and throw in a few votes with little thought. After all, the town will be claiming to have gotten "caught up in the moment", so the mafia can pull that same excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
You also asked us to not read too much into the votes yesterday. Why is that? The lynch being a crazy thing started by Psy is not a good enough excuse to disregard your (and Luneth's) only vote of the game. :p You're not giving me good vibes here, man.
I never got the impression that Relm had been subbed out at all this game, but I could be entirely wrong. xD
Fair enough. And since the town needs the help and I don't feel like posting that much more in this game I think I'll just lay it all out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RydiaI think any inconsistencies in Relm's behaviour can be explained away by being subbed out for a new player.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rikku
You're benefiting from that same line of reasoning, so I wouldn't push it too hard.
I am the Gunsmith. Each night I investigate a player and find out if they are carrying a gun.
Night 1 - No action due to inactivity.
Night 2 - Quistis does not have a gun.
Night 3 - Penelo has a gun.
Night 4 - Relm has a gun.
Some pro-town roles also carry guns, such as Vig, Cop, Suspicious Townie, etc. Even Gunsmith. But we killed all those other roles already and I'm the gunsmith. I am very certain Penelo and Relm are both scumbags and need to be taken down.
I will only be voting for Relm or Penelo today. I'll let the rest of you figure out which is best. If you want any more in-depth analysis, see all of Biggs's massive posts that you fools lynched him for (both Relm and Penelo voted to lynch him by the way so now look what you get).
I will probably not post again unless it is to answer a direct question or switch my vote to Penelo if I can't get enough votes for Relm. But seriously, lynch Relm. It will make me happy.
It would be so Jiro to sub Psy back in as Relm and Del as Rikku for another showdown.
It would so be me to do that, wouldn't it? Except Del Murder already said he wanted to enjoy his Turkey Day and Psychotic has won enough duels to want anything more from this bout :greenie: There's also the claim that Leon is already Psychotic you know :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
I spy with my little eye a red herringQuote:
Originally Posted by JiroIt would so be me to do that, wouldn't it? Except Del Murder already said he wanted to enjoy his Turkey Day and Psychotic has won enough duels to want anything more from this bout :greenie: There's also the claim that Leon is already Psychotic you know :shobon:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
Jiro is lying. I have been replaced by ONE MILLION DEL MURDERS
Luneth is the real Psychotic and everyone else is also Del Murders.
I love how this game is making us all question EVERYTHING
Nothing is True.
Everything is Permitted.
I didn't buy it when Psy tried to make us kill Del, and I don't buy it when Del's trying to make us kill Psy.
##Vote: Wakka
Wait, woah. I missed that one by Penelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] WakkaSo, two confirmed town voted for Biggs, that makes the rest of you town too? Nope, not buying it. You are right though, it wasn't a mafia ploy. The mafia can very easily take advantage of the disorganisation of the town in situations like those and throw in a few votes with little thought. After all, the town will be claiming to have gotten "caught up in the moment", so the mafia can pull that same excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
You also asked us to not read too much into the votes yesterday. Why is that? The lynch being a crazy thing started by Psy is not a good enough excuse to disregard your (and Luneth's) only vote of the game. :p You're not giving me good vibes here, man.
Are you saying that Wedge and Leila were townies and therefore effectively only townies voted for Biggs? Just because Psy told everyone to vote for Biggs doesn't mean that no mafia were involved.
I'm going to put some more thought into this one, but I really don't like that claim in the slightest.
What did you do Night 5 (last night)?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rikku
Wait what?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
Wakka is Del? I thought I was Del. I thought everyone was Dels!
Seriously though, I missed this one. Please explain.
No, Wakka is not Del.
What?! You dare address the greatest mafia player of all time? :colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
Is what I would say if I was him. :greenie:
:colbert: :greenie:
Or is it?
:greenie: :colbert:
Good work, Rikku, though! I would also like more results. I also have to ask why you picked the relatively quiet Relm and Penelo as opposed to the noisemakers like Wedge, Noctis, etc.
oh hey del good to see you again :aimkiss: that must have been some dry ass turkey to make you run back to mafia so quickly :redface:
Everyone else is blind Luneth, only I can see.
Except for what Rydia is going on about. No idea there.
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Originally Posted by [M] Rydia
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Originally Posted by [M] Leon
You're not meant to. Tell the town, and I tell the mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
Only Wedge and Cid have not posted today.
Which means either someone hasn't come told us they received Wedge's report, Cid received Wedge's report, a dead person did (again), or he's lying.
Could Wedge please appear and explain this time (or someone reveal the report, that would be nice too).
Ok then.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RydiaYou're not meant to. Tell the town, and I tell the mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Leon
I'm gonna let that one sit with me for a while.
If things play out the way I'm hoping, I'll be gloating about it tomorrow, so you'll find out.
im guessing rikku was replaced today, so i dont know if we'll get an answer about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Luneth
Glad to see you back from a long absense of day activity, Rikku! I'm also glad to know that you're a gunsmith, so it's good to see that you have some reports for us. Though, it disappoints me that you don't have something for last night, but I can forgive you if you either had forgotten, or didn't get something. As for Penelo and Relm, we should be wary of both considering they both own a gun. If I recall, didn't Relm tried to daykill Blank a couple days ago, but ultimately failed? This left a lasting impression on me that she does have some killing role, and I think she can kill, especially during the nights, and her failed daykill shows us that she can definitely nightkill. I think she needs to be lynched so we can stop her killings. She can definitely kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RikkuFair enough. And since the town needs the help and I don't feel like posting that much more in this game I think I'll just lay it all out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RydiaI think any inconsistencies in Relm's behaviour can be explained away by being subbed out for a new player.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rikku
You're benefiting from that same line of reasoning, so I wouldn't push it too hard.
I am the Gunsmith. Each night I investigate a player and find out if they are carrying a gun.
Night 1 - No action due to inactivity.
Night 2 - Quistis does not have a gun.
Night 3 - Penelo has a gun.
Night 4 - Relm has a gun.
Some pro-town roles also carry guns, such as Vig, Cop, Suspicious Townie, etc. Even Gunsmith. But we killed all those other roles already and I'm the gunsmith. I am very certain Penelo and Relm are both scumbags and need to be taken down.
I will only be voting for Relm or Penelo today. I'll let the rest of you figure out which is best. If you want any more in-depth analysis, see all of Biggs's massive posts that you fools lynched him for (both Relm and Penelo voted to lynch him by the way so now look what you get).
I will probably not post again unless it is to answer a direct question or switch my vote to Penelo if I can't get enough votes for Relm. But seriously, lynch Relm. It will make me happy.
##Vote: Relm
i dont know if the daykill on biggs was a serious attempt at anything
Penelo and relm have been acting suspicious, rikku's claim only backs this up. Relm has been all game as biggs pointed out and penelo has said some weird things today. Biggs was a good player with some decent insight into the players so im likely to believe his thoughts.
but i am gonna wait for a bit and see if wedge pops up with his investigation. im guessing none of us got a report? if he comes up with nothing i will throw down my vote.
remember guys its easy for a majority lynch to happen right now, not something we need. :)
And there was little old me thinking you got replaced HC. Interesting.
I want to see what Penelo and Relm have to say before jumping into voting for one of them yet. I'm highly suspicious of their guns but town roles can have guns too, so I want to at least hear them out. If neither comes back before the day ends then I will put down a vote.
[M] Relm (3) - Balthier, Rikku, Faris
[M] Wakka (1) - Rydia
Time remaining: dunno figure it out I'mma nap.
It's the weekend! I can be more active. Thankfully. :)
I suppose now is as good a time as any other, but I am a FBI Agent and this means that my and everyone else's theory on a Serial Killer is correct, because I would be ineffective otherwise. This role means that I only strike up "guilty" if I am targeting the serial killer, everyone else is "innocent" even if they are mafia or not.
So far, I've investigated most nights, though I was away for night two and here are my results:
Night One - Investigated Yuffie (25 players, it's a crapshoot) and came up innocent.
Night Three - Investigated Wakka, again came up innocent.
Night Four - Investigated Wedge and got a guilty result.
Now this is my first time playing Mafia, so I was unsure what it was exactly, explaining why I haven't posted much in day one. Day two I was away and day three I had nothing really to go on except the Yuffie result. However, night four was a revelation to me, Wedge turned up guilty. Now, I might be wrong, but Wedge turned up innocent in Leila's insane investigations. Just because he's innocent to the cop and not Mafia. He might be third-party.
I'm fairly certain cops can't deduce serial killers. As an FBI agent, that's my special ability as it were. Leila can only deduce between town/Mafia.
And as for the whole "Biggs" scenario, as I have said countless times, he didn't make himself appear non-scummy. he rolelaimed twice, once to avoid being lynched. He seemed as good a vote as any other.
You bring up some points about wedge's innocence that i will admit i neever considered like cops possibly not being able to identify a SK when investigating. also your claim would explain why you have a gun if rikku is to be believed.
i am confused about one thing though.
i couldnt see his night 4 claim anywhere. but, none of these people have been killed except from laguna (but the bus driver prolly switched laguna/serah so serah should have been killed) why would wedge make up investigations like that if they dont align with his actual targets? if anyone tracked him theyd see that they dont line up. people have definitely died because of 3rd party kills so they definitely werent blocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Wedge
also if you got a guilty claim on wedge why did you not push for it yesterday instead of falling into the bandwagon on biggs? instead you let him off the hook and let him possibly take another life.
Because Wedge is smurfing with our minds. To answer his inconsistencies with his targeting, I can't say, I'm not Wedge. But if the Mafia are smurfing with our minds it's fairly easy for Wedge to throw up curveballs like that.
As for not throwing this up earlier, at first, I wasn't exactly sure it was even correct, because it came out of the blue. Until then, I was suspicious of Wedge being either a terrible cop or a clever Mafia. When I got the "guilty" verdict, I wasn't exactly sure if I had a flavour attached to the FBI Agent thing, like how Leila was an insane cop. I can't really investigate myself to see my flavour, so I basically just had to deliberate for quite a while thinking "is it really Wedge? And I naive or paranoid?". Also, by the time I noticed my results lying there unopened in my notifications, the whole Psychotic thing was going crazy. It was so late in the day to announce my results I thought it better to just wait for the next day, and even then see everyone else's reactions first before posting results (I'm not of fan of instantly posting results first thing, not everyone reads through the entire thing).
Should I have posted my results earlier? Possibly, but then no one is perfect. I hope that clears things up Wakka!
Sorry, I got my nights mixed up. My night 5 action (last night) was on Relm. Apparently I didn't have a Night 4 action due to inactivity. Sorry for not being as useful as I could have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] LeonWhat did you do Night 5 (last night)?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rikku
Okay Penelo, thanks for your explanation.
There are so many inconsistencies with everything, i don't even know what to do with the wedge situation now. its a bit silly for any killing faction to put themselves so firmly on everyones radar, but i suppose its kept him alive for the past 4 days.
The whole point of the serial killer is to be a fine balance between being hidden enough to not being voted, while also being present enough so people don't kill you for being inactive.
Wedge is very clever, by claiming cop (and then doing nothing by it) he's pacified the town, while also appeasing the Mafia as it would be in their best interest to keep him alive as a distraction and talking point.
You know what, I forgot the most important thing.
##VOTE: Wedge. And I'm sure of my vote this time, it's not wavering.
Sorry, that was a nice try but it is full of holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
1. Why would you not vote for the person you found guilty a night before? Clearly you are not insane since you got Innocent result from Yuffie. Even if Biggs was acting like a raving luntic it should not have stopped you from voting the person you found guilty considering your entire role is to find one person and you found that person.
2. Why would an Insane Cop get a Guilty (aka Innocent) result from a SK?
3. Who did you investigate Night 5? You left that little tidbit out.
If you really are the FBI Agent then you screwed the town royally by voting Biggs and not Wedge yesterday. That being said, Wedge has been dodgy all game about his role and somehow none of his 'reports' have ever been verified. So he needs to explain himself.
Penelo's claim is interesting. It explains the gun and it explains who has been killing the mafia. It would also explain what the hell is going on with Wedge. Something is up with that guy, I think we can all agree that. Hmm.Quote:
Wakka has not done much good. You commented on his vote for Yuffie but I also find his other votes interesting. He voted for Noctis for being irritating and today he has voted for Penelo who has been inactive. To put this in other words he has voted for people who are unlikely to be actually lynched for very poor reasoning.
This was my original reasoning for suspecting Wakka. I wanted to give him time to ease himself into the game and yet despite claiming to be replaced (and having much better grammar - temporarily!) you will note he has reverted back to his old self. I don't think he actually was replaced.
Right now I've got Wakka and Relm as my big 2 for mafia. I don't know if I can trust Penelo as she has seemed very dodgy today but the claim does explain the riddle that is Wedge.
in fact
##vote: Wakka
Let's shake a few branches and see what falls out, shall we? ;)
I completely forgot about Night Five! Sorry Rikku. I investigated Relm, and got a innocent SK result. And about insane/not insane, remember I'm still new to this! I can't exactly make connections that well.
I suppose an insane cop could get a guilty (innocent) result because he is the SK, because Stilz could have just randomised the result because he is the SK. Were it to display "unidentifiable" or something to that effect it would be pretty suspicious. By randomising the SK's results, it makes him harder to kill. An SK is very hard to play as, seeing how he's by himself so Stilz could have given him some perks.
In my opinion Penelo does not deserve credibility due to her vote switcing yesterday. A Cop or FBI Agent cannot be wavering in their vote because they need to establish credibility with the town, especially when they get a guilty result and their sanity is established..
At this point, if Wedge is the SK then he can't kill Penelo or else that would expose him. So if he wants to win this game the end game scenario would be hemself, Penelo, and 1 or 2 others. At that point we should know enough about how much BS his reporting role is and we'd be able to make the right choice.
Penelo has posted a nice little excuse on why she has a gun, but not Relm. So my vote stays.
I dunno, it'd make sense for the cop to find SKs innocent if we have a FBI agent, presuming that the cop is just used for the detection of mafia.
I agree with Rikku though. We did have some good reasons to vote for Biggs - and I will argue to the death with anyone who says we shouldn't have done that, because absolutely we should - but you should've stuck with Wedge. I don't know if that's scumminess or just general poor play. (sorry, nothing personal)
Oh, and Rikku isn't a gunsmith, by the way.
Yes I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Luneth
What's your reasoning Luneth?
We'll see. ;)
Yep, that's real helpful.
Because nobody would investigate Penelo on night 3 because she was a nonentity. Why the smurf would you do that? You wouldn't?
And given how butthurt Del was over his lynching, oh, he just happened to get a role which investigated two bandwagoners on him?
Bulltrout.
Mind you, it was a good ruse because I'm fairly sure Penelo is full of trout the more I think about it.
But my little Vengeful Townie, you're going to be lynched at my hands twice :aimkiss:
Hooo boy. Okay I think there are a few things that need to be adressed because some of the stuff that's been posted...xD oh man. first up...
Well wether or not there's more to me than appears is for everyone else to decide, but your reasoning for your vote is so wrong that I still can't believe you actually read any of the thread yesterday. Biggs was the one who was set on ME, he slapped the vote on me and his reasoning was so poor that I didn't bother to seriously address it at first. When I did finally get around to pointing out why his reasoning was so poor, the best response he could come up with was, and I quote, "poop". His roleclaim about being a vengeful townie was bunk and clearly so, a nice potential move by a mafia to put the fear in people of voting against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balthier
I "went after him" with about 10 minutes left in the day, because at the time so close to the end of the day, there was a 3-way tie on the voting between him, wedge and me. Obviously I'm not going to vote for myself, and as scummy as Wedge seems to me all things considered, with both of them potentially lying abour their roles or telling the truth, on the minute chance that Wedge is actually a cop and is just not very good at it it's still more beneficial to the town for him to be here rather than Biggs was. So please tell me how I wasn't perfectly justified in my actions. :redface: add to the fact that almost everyone online at the time was gleefully jumping aboard the "Help Psy live his dreams" train, and well. right, moving on...
So nice of you to finally show up and jump into bed immediately with Balthier! That's a nice touch and totally not worrying at all. :greenie: I like how you seem to believe that Biggs demise was entirely my doing. I wish I had that kind of clout in mafia, if I did Psy would be nowhere near as full of his mafia self as he is let me tell you. But as I already pointed out in response to balthier, Biggs was the one going after me all day, I had no intention to vote for him until all the very end of the day, for the reasons stated above. Also, Gunsmith is a nice roleclaim! It would be cool if us townies could prove you wrong but you picked pretty well. Quite convenient that the people you steamed into the thread out of nowhere to go after both supposedly have guns, too. I also truly believe that you spent the whole game doing nothing but investigating people until today, too. That seems like a very legitimate claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rikku
Not quite as legitmate as you being full of trout, though, mr thanksgiving. Look I know you missed out on getting Psy and you're trying to take it out on me, and as you said that would make you very happy, but come on handsome. How many dead bodies are you going to leave in your wake before you stop the lies? Because they've gotten you so far in this game already. :aimkiss: and finally, saving the best for last...
Glad to see someone else jumping into bed with people on the back of diddlysquat evidence! I mean, seriously, what. None of this post makes any sense whatsoever. What exactly is it, Faris me old dear, that makes you see the claim and swallow the claim without a hint of doubt, in this crazy mindsmurf mafia game of all games? What do YOU know abour Rikku that built that level of trust up, hmm? :greenie: And as for the rest of it xD are you actually serious? Did you not read the rage of Stiltz when the day vig died? SOMEONE ALWAYS MAKES A JOKE DAYKILL AND THIS TIME IT WOULD HAVE BEEN REAL BUT NOW IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN etc. Even Biggs himself posted that it was a joke attempt once Stiltz/Jiro whichever came in and said it was horsetrout. But yet somehow, a joke attempt at a daykill convinces you that I have the ability to night kill? I was going to ask if you were really that easy to convince, but then I remembered HO HO HO RIKKU SAID SHE IS A GUNSMITH OKAY I BELIEVE IT. I was actually glad the town had still had you around because I was becoming convinced you were town and that you were one of the smarter players in the game, but you've just steve'd all over that. I don't even care if your vote stays on me, but for the love of god please come back and tell me you were joking, because I don't want to believe you've just done that in seriousness. I can't. Please. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Faris
Ok, I don't know if this is allowed or not, but the night actions for Nights 2 and 3 were randomized by Jiro. I was not playing the account at the time. Not sure why he did not randomize a Night 4 action, and it actually threw me off a bit because it made me think last night was Night 4. Blame Jiro.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Luneth
The only action I took with this account was to investigate Relm, because I thought she was suspicious based on the game so far.
Also, Penelo has come back roleclaiming a role that carries a gun. Isn't that at least some confirmation? She's either FBI Agent or scum now. Her fate is set.
Are you mafia, Luneth? I refuse to believe you are actually this thick.
I'm not reading that wall of text, Relm. Did you claim a role in there somewhere that carries a gun?
Play nicely now Rikku :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rikku
I said I refuse to believe it. That is nice!
So he randomised some night actions and not others? Well how convienient for you that the situation changes depending on what suits you best! :monocle:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Rikku
I think you got lucky with Penelo. Good job. We'll lynch her... at some point. Right now I'm more interested in you.
Also, really? Am I mafia? I refuse to believe you're actually this thick sweetie :greenie:
Yes I did, I'm the sniper of love and I've been gleefully impregnating every member of the town every night with my long barrel. :excited:
I shudder to think...
Look, man, I can't explain it. All I know is what was in my inbox when I took over this account.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Luneth
Getting lucky? Seriously? Why would I take a shot in the dark like that when it could so easily backfire?
You never answered my question, sweetie.
So whoa whoa whoa. Stop. Why did you investigate me then Rikku?
I'm sorry, but I can't explain that because I wasn't playing this account at the time. Also, I think it was random anyway.
Because you don't care about backfiring. You want vengeance. And you will crown it off by coming after me. I know your games. I am heading you off at the pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] RikkuLook, man, I can't explain it. All I know is what was in my inbox when I took over this account.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Luneth
Getting lucky? Seriously? Why would I take a shot in the dark like that when it could so easily backfire?
You never answered my question, sweetie.
You're going to find out my role very soon. It's not scum. It's... haha... well... you'll see. Feel free to track me tonight, Faris. And you, you can feel free to "gunsmith" me :greenie:
Well, Rikku's definitely not Del Murder, then.
Rikku is British. Nice try with the -ize ending, though.
Well, whoever was playing as Rikku then is a right telg.
If the whole gunsmith thing is true, just blindfiring such an important role is just unreliable..
Actually Rydia, whoever is active right now probably isn't American. I imagine our American friends are stuffing their faces full of turkey right now! :p
Oh you would say that. And you fell for his sick little games!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Penelo
Well if you like games, here's one. The only way you will convince me you are town is if you vote for Wakka. Tick tock, Penelo~
OH IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK
MMM
American Thanksgiving was yesterday, not today. That's a non-sequitur.
Whoops! Forgot. Oh well, maybe they are recovering from eating?
(I'm trying to salvage what dignity I have left :cry:)
I think goading us into going after the SK at this phase did that admirably.
The mafia wants the SK dead as badly as they want town. If there is an SK in play instead of a town-aligned night killer, it behooves the town to try to get the mafs to take her out. Why waste our lynch when we can waste their nightkill? The mafs would be just as well-served taking out a town-aligned nightkiller as they would be in taking out the SK.
Yep. Regardless of whether or not Penelo is telling the truth, Wedge just became "not our problem".
So I'm interested to see where Penelo will put her vote now ;)
Oh, the SK is still our problem, just not a critically important one until later; say, we're down to 6 or fewer players or we get 2 consecutive nights with only one kill, which would signal the absence of one night-killing faction.
If our second night-killer is town-aligned or the SK, we'll know when they die.
I'm not after the SK, I'm after that gun-carrying lunatic Relm. The SK is either Penelo or Wedge at this point based on Penelo's claim.
Luneth, I appreciate what you are trying to do but I just don't have time for this today. I only subbed in to help the town and I have no vendetta.
If you don't believe me, vote for me. If you believe me, vote for Relm (note that she has not yet claimed a legit gun-carrying role to answer to my accusation). If you beleive both me and Penelo, vote for Wedge.
I'm keeping my vote on Relm based on her reaction to our accusation against her. :kakapo: She's gone all defensive and not telling us what her role could be, other than being a "sniper of love."
Okay, Rikku, we will call it a truce for today. TOMORROW WILL BE JUDGMENT DAY! 2.
I don't believe you or Penelo :shobon: I think Wakka is mafia so he's my boy right now.
I haven't claimed a legit gun carrying role to answer your accusation because your accusation is a load of trout and so is your roleclaim mr. thanksgiving. like I said before, it's a lovely and convenient roleclaim for you to carry out your agenda of revenge, but it's still a crock. :aimkiss:
Do not under any circumstances vote for Wedge; he's either one of us, or a lower-priority target.
Even if he is the SK, we had two night kills last night, meaning the mafs are still definitely in play and might kill him for us. They're pretty much obliged to do their best to do so even knowing full well it's what we want them to do.
P.S. At this point it's pretty much safe to point out that my earlier question about masons and cultists is a red herring. It didn't work.
Yeah, I don't think mason or a cult are in play. If they were, we'd have one dead by now.
That's just what a cultist would say!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Faris
And oh look
Look what colour your hair is...
COINCIDENCE? :roll2
Anyway, Faris, I think you've played very well and are all but confirmed town. Therefore I would love to know what you think of my ideas on Wakka.
Can we come to some sort of agreement guys? Look, I didn't exactly expect everyone to believe me, but hey, you can't get everyone to believe you.
But right now, we have Luneth looking at Wakka, Rikku looking at practically everyone, me looking at Wedge and Rydia looking at..someone.
Basically, were not getting anywhere.
So faris, you're basically happy to admit that you're keeping a vote on a fellow townie based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever? nothing to say to any of the facts I pointed out, and jumping to "it was defensive!!"? You're better than that, son, and you know it. If you're going to keep your vote on me, at least give something resembling an explaination. :aimkiss:
Also, I have a proposal to sort this out easily enough that would clear up a massive number of issues for the town. I am not scum, and rikku is full of trout on his own agenda for vendetta. If we take things purely on face value as they've been presented to us so far, we have the following
1. Wedge has claimed to be a cop. For whatever reasons, nothing has turned up from his claim so far, and he looks scummy. That being said, he's potentially the only investigative role we have to go off and leila found him guilty and she was insane, so it might be fair to assume he is telling the truth. That being said, there is some trouble trying to decide if he's a serial killer or something so Idk.
2. Faris also somehow turned out technically innocent by leila's results, and for now we'll have to assume he is town, even though he's doing a damn fine job of looking anything but so far today. :p
as for me, I have nothing to hide. I see absolutely no reason why I should be forced to divulge my role to the town just to stroke mr. thanksgivings ego, but I am absolutely a townie and I'd be more than willing to, assuming the above is true, let wedge investigate me tonight and send her results to faris who can post them in the morning. It's a fair proposal to clear my name from the troutstorm of poor reasoning and personal vendetta's which are the only things soiling it right now (:p), it would legitimise wedge's claim too. then you would have two confirmed townies, one of whom is some kind of cop. I can't see any reason to refuse this offer, unless you're afraid of my results coming back innocent. :flirt:
If I'm being totally honest, that proposition actually sounds quite reasonable.