Do you think Bush deserves to be re-elected?

The same thing sort of irks me when people say Al Gore would have prevented 9/11. Frankly, I don't think Bush or Gore could have prevented 9/11, and really, unfortunately hindsight is 20/20 whilst everything else is speculation. In my mind, Bush had his chance and blew it, more because of the people he chose to surround himself with than anything else.


i havent heard that before. i always hear the usual "gore couldnt have handled a situation as intense as 9/11" i heard about this one guy who went from making $45,000 a year to only like $15,000 or something like that, but he was voting for bush because, had al gore been elected, america would have been taken over by sadam hussein or bin laden.

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Is it just me, or are the conservatives only able to attack the personal lives of Clinton and Kerry? Don't they have anything else? And what does that tell us? Hmm.

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I don't speak for everyone else out there, but I can tell you this. I don't care at all what Clinton did in his private life. He could have nailed fifty interns and donkey (he is a Democrat :p ), and then wrapped a cigarette for a smoke afterwards using a miniature American flag, and I still wouldn't care. What I do care about is that he lied about it. When he said, before a grand jury, that he "did not have sexual relations with that woman," he lied to us - the American people. If the President is willing to lie about something so minor - something that wouldn't have had any legal repercussions. Military service is based heavily on trust and honor. I wasn't in the military during Clinton's term, but if I was, I wouldn't be able to trust such a commander-and-chief if he told me to go off to war and die.

"I enjoy people writing off Kerry before he's even given a chance."
-The Captain


Isn't that the point of an election - writing someone off before giving them the chance? Unless that is, you never once voted for the incumbant. Since I suspect everyone has, from time to time, everyone is guilty of the above quote. Quite frankly, not everyone deserves a chance.

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Originally Posted by DocFrance

I don't speak for everyone else out there, but I can tell you this. I don't care at all what Clinton did in his private life. He could have nailed fifty interns and donkey (he is a Democrat :p ), and then wrapped a cigarette for a smoke afterwards using a miniature American flag, and I still wouldn't care. What I do care about is that he lied about it. When he said, before a grand jury, that he "did not have sexual relations with that woman," he lied to us - the American people. If the President is willing to lie about something so minor - something that wouldn't have had any legal repercussions. Military service is based heavily on trust and honor. I wasn't in the military during Clinton's term, but if I was, I wouldn't be able to trust such a commander-and-chief if he told me to go off to war and die.

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1) Believe it or not, every single politician lies. I'll give you time to recover from this before you read number two.
2) Bush lies a LOT.
3) You might think that it's "minor" but to Clinton, that lie was about something very major. Was it in his first term that he was originally accused? Also, in my opinion, if he said that he had sex with Monica then it would have cost him a lot more than if he'd lied. If you're in a lose-lose situation, the option to go with is the one that makes you lose less. I think if he'd have gone outright and said that he had sex then he would have lost more popularity than if he had lied and later revealed that he lied. I don't know what Bush had to gain out of his lies, though. That's just beyond me.

I think if it's to do with his personal life, let him lie. We all do it - don't say you don't, because everyone lies at some point. I don't believe a single person who says they "never" lie. Was it wrong? Yes. But it doesn't matter. It shouldn't, anyway. Bush could screw a girl and tell the truth and I wouldn't give a crap. If he lied, I wouldn't give a crap either. Now, when he takes political action and lies about it - hell, contradicts himself on numerous occasions just to keep his low going for him - that's another story, because it can affect the entire world when the US does something. I'd rather Clinton to any other US president that's been around while I've been alive. Bush not only lied about political actions but I'm pretty sure he based some of his political actions on lies, too. Clinton probably did as well for all I know but not anywhere close to what Bush is doing.

When Clinton was president, he put America in a good place with the rest of the world. Bush has reversed past Clinton's starting point. I'll be glad when he's out of the office, no matter when it is.

I don't really care for politics much, to be honest, but I thought I'd just randomly post or something.

We all would have been better off if Al Gore was elected instead of Bush

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When Clinton was president, he put America in a good place with the rest of the world. Bush has reversed past Clinton's starting point. I'll be glad when he's out of the office, no matter when it is.

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Amen. I can say I have never liked USA much for ideological reasons, but I must say that the image of USA in the world (Or at least in Spain) when Clinton was president was much better than the one with Bush. Much, much better.

Did I mention I'm a Turk and Egyptian? So NO.

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1) Believe it or not, every single politician lies. I'll give you time to recover from this before you read number two.
2) Bush lies a LOT.
3) You might think that it's "minor" but to Clinton, that lie was about something very major. Was it in his first term that he was originally accused? Also, in my opinion, if he said that he had sex with Monica then it would have cost him a lot more than if he'd lied. If you're in a lose-lose situation, the option to go with is the one that makes you lose less. I think if he'd have gone outright and said that he had sex then he would have lost more popularity than if he had lied and later revealed that he lied. I don't know what Bush had to gain out of his lies, though. That's just beyond me.

I think if it's to do with his personal life, let him lie. We all do it - don't say you don't, because everyone lies at some point. I don't believe a single person who says they "never" lie. Was it wrong? Yes. But it doesn't matter. It shouldn't, anyway. Bush could screw a girl and tell the truth and I wouldn't give a crap. If he lied, I wouldn't give a crap either. Now, when he takes political action and lies about it - hell, contradicts himself on numerous occasions just to keep his low going for him - that's another story, because it can affect the entire world when the US does something. I'd rather Clinton to any other US president that's been around while I've been alive. Bush not only lied about political actions but I'm pretty sure he based some of his political actions on lies, too. Clinton probably did as well for all I know but not anywhere close to what Bush is doing.

When Clinton was president, he put America in a good place with the rest of the world. Bush has reversed past Clinton's starting point. I'll be glad when he's out of the office, no matter when it is.

I don't really care for politics much, to be honest, but I thought I'd just randomly post or something.

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Alright, we obviously have differing opinions about the importance of integrity, and I expect that. We're both in radically different situations.

To me, integrity takes top priority over everything. If someone asks me a question, no matter what it's about, I give them the full honest answer. The only exception being if I'm joking around with a friend who knows I'm joking around. I trust everybody until they violate that trust. Trust is an absolute requirement for being a leader - if an officer's men can't trust him, will they follow his orders? If I tell even the tiniest lie - even if it's for some stupid question, like, "when did you last have a haircut?" then my future could very well be ruined. Besides, I like being able to trust those around me, and I like them being able to trust me. In my opinion, what Clinton lost by lying vastly outweighed what he had to lose by telling the truth. It just goes to show that his integrity is only worth a few percentiles in an opinion poll. How pathetic.

And as far as I know, Bush has not lied. You can say all you want that all politicians lie, but until you give me complete, inarguable evidence that he has, then I trust him as my commander-in-chief.

Kerry is a shmuck
Bush is an idiot....

We're all :love::love::love::love:ed if you ask me....

I would vote for Kerry, just because I know Kerry's USA would never get itself in a situation where nuclear war is immenant.

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Originally Posted by FleshMask

I would vote for Kerry, just because I know Kerry's USA would never get itself in a situation where nuclear war is immenant.

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What makes you so certain?

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I would vote for Kerry, just because I know Kerry's USA would never get itself in a situation where nuclear war is immenant.

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You think Kerry would talk something out with the deadliest people in the world that would kill anyone.

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You think Kerry would talk something out with the deadliest people in the world that would kill anyone.

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What does that have to do with nuclear war? And if we have a President who wont talk it out, doesnt that make the US the 'deadliest people in the world that would kill anyone'?

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You think Kerry would talk something out with the deadliest people in the world that would kill anyone.

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Huh? What have the Amish got to do with this?

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You think Kerry would talk something out with the deadliest people in the world that would kill anyone.

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Yes, it's called diplomacy. Something that seems to be an alien concept to the Bush administration. What happened to war being a "last resort"?

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Alright, we obviously have differing opinions about the importance of integrity, and I expect that. We're both in radically different situations.

To me, integrity takes top priority over everything. If someone asks me a question, no matter what it's about, I give them the full honest answer. The only exception being if I'm joking around with a friend who knows I'm joking around. I trust everybody until they violate that trust. Trust is an absolute requirement for being a leader - if an officer's men can't trust him, will they follow his orders? If I tell even the tiniest lie - even if it's for some stupid question, like, "when did you last have a haircut?" then my future could very well be ruined. Besides, I like being able to trust those around me, and I like them being able to trust me. In my opinion, what Clinton lost by lying vastly outweighed what he had to lose by telling the truth. It just goes to show that his integrity is only worth a few percentiles in an opinion poll. How pathetic.

And as far as I know, Bush has not lied. You can say all you want that all politicians lie, but until you give me complete, inarguable evidence that he has, then I trust him as my commander-in-chief.

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Well, let's just look at the fact that in 2002, Bush said that there Saddam and Al Qaida were connected. Then in 2003 he said that they weren't. Now, once again, he says that they are. If that's not lying I have no freakin' clue what lying is. Bush's lies, however, have much more effect than Clinton's lies about his sex life.

Well, let's just look at the fact that in 2002, Bush said that there Saddam and Al Qaida were connected. Then in 2003 he said that they weren't. Now, once again, he says that they are. If that's not lying I have no freakin' clue what lying is. Bush's lies, however, have much more effect than Clinton's lies about his sex life.

it was common knowledge that al que'da and hussein had no ties. i knew the first time bush said that that it was BS. amazing though, how now bush can say they DONT have ties and people still believe they do. i just dont get it.