it's kind of obvious, Tifa....... cloud knew her for a while and they both fit because thier good fighters, and the rescuing when in trouble story, complete setup for them
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it's kind of obvious, Tifa....... cloud knew her for a while and they both fit because thier good fighters, and the rescuing when in trouble story, complete setup for them
Aeris. She is soooo good for him but there's nothing wrong with Tifa.
So really, there's no diffrence, but if I had to choose I'd say Aeris!
The odvious choice here is Tifa, I mean they were childhood friends and she made cloud promise that her "Hero" would save her if she was in trouble. Aeris dies and for all I care that's a good thing :) That and Tifa has bigger....nevermind..
I think Aeris is better for Cloud (no, not just because she's my favorite). While and Cloud and Tifa have a past together, if you remember, it was all about how Tifa ignored Cloud and hung out with that "trio" that Cloud thought was stupid. Cloud was surprised when Tifa actually even met him out on the well, that's saying she wasn't exactly a true friend back then. Besides, Aeris and Cloud have a special type of connection, even if she originally liked him because he reminded her of Zack, doesn't mean that she didn't fall in love with the real Cloud later on. Just because Tifa and Cloud have a past, doesn't automatically make them a better couple. Tifa isn't open enough with her feelings so Cloud never even thought that she liked him. Cloud would need someone who is more open, like Aeris. Tifa only reveals her feelings after Aeris enters the picture. (SPOILER)In the ending when Cloud says "I think I can meet her there", you can tell that Tifa missed her oppurtunity a long time ago. Cloud chose Aeris. Perhaps if Tifa had been more open with her feelings in the first place (before Aeris came into the picture), they would've had a better relationship. Cloud still might've fallen for Aeris, but at least Tifa wouldn't have seemed like his "second choice" after Aeris' (SPOILER)death.
All a matter of interpretation. Tifa didnt come out with her feelings because Cloud was going through some very heavy stuff at the time and needed to deal with that, first. Aeris died before she ever knew the real Cloud. She only knew the confused Zack/Cloud hybrid, not the Cloud after his true self is restored.
I'm not arguing who is better, I'm just pointing out things.
In all fairness, kids -- and teenagers; especially them -- can be assholes but grow up into exceptionally great People. Tifa's gone through a lot of experiences since her time of ignoring Cloud. Judging her based on the past wouldn't be fair, and I doubt that Cloud would have done so. He should understand changing as well as anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra*Aeris
Could you elaborate on this point, please? I'm not sure what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra*Aeris
(SPOILER)She never got to know the real Cloud, though. It would be difficult, if not impossible, for her to have done so, seeing as she never got to know him. Cloud's memories were still screwed up for a good while after Aerith's death. She obviously cared about him and did express a desire to get to know him for who he really was, but she died not long after expressing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra*Aeris
Though I'm in the camp that would support Tifa and Cloud, I agree with this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra*Aeris
Well, Cloud was a little slow. Both Females made it obvious enough that everyone else picked up on it, including Reeve and he wasn't even right there with AVALANCHE in-person (recall that he says "Poor Tifa" after making his prediction that Cloud and Aerith were a perfect match). Cloud was dense as hell. If not for Aerith doing things like asking Cait Sith to tell them how compatible she and Cloud were, I doubt he would have even known that she liked him. If he picked up on it even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra*Aeris
I'm not trying to bash Cloud mind you, but he seemed fairly oblivious to what was so obvious to everyone else.
(SPOILER)I don't think Cloud was mentally in the position to choose anyone until at least after the events of the game had ended, and seeing as how he's still screwed up in Advent Children with guilt and self-loathing, he's still not in a position to do so, really. In order for the relationship to be a healthy one, Cloud needs to get out of that slump, which is what I think we will see occur in the film, as Tifa predicts at first that Cloud isn't even going to fight, though she chides him quite a bit in the previews and reminds him of when they were strong and such and asks him if he doesn't want to feel that way again, suggesting to me that he's going to bounce back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra*Aeris
Anyway, I think the ruling would be more in favor of Tifa in the present for the reasons that she's been a constant support to Cloud since the Lifestream incident, and will continue to be in Advent Children, and also because Aerith is dead and Cloud doesn't need to be looking to her. That would be quite unhealthy for him and would only continue to place guilt on him. He needs to move on and live, whether that involve romance with Tifa, someone else, or no one. But before anything, he needs to clear himself up.
As for the possibility of him dying and them being together in the Lifestream as is often suggested, I have to ask "What about Zack?" He was Aerith's first love and it was Cloud's adopted similiarties to him that attracted her to begin with. Zack's dead too, like Aerith, so I would hope that their souls have met again.
Anyway, I'm not trying to argue which one would have been better for him (SPOILER)pre-Aerith's death, but just commenting on the state of things in the present and pointing out a few things.
I was mostly just pointing out that their past doesn't give them an advantage, if anything, it's almost a disadvantage. I put that in there just because people were basing their reasons on Tifa and Cloud's history together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squall of SeeD
To be honest, I don't know how to explain it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Squall of SeeD
(SPOILER)Aeris is a pretty nice and stable person, if she were still around when this happened, she probably would've embraced the real Cloud and would've been happy that she finally knew him. Although I can't say for sure since she isn't there during that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squall of SeeD
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squall of SeeD
(SPOILER)I was more reffering to things as if Aeris were still around and who he would choose. I know it would be impossible to have a relationship with someone who's dead without creating your own dream world with this person in it. Zack may have been Aeris' first love, but wouldn't Zack not even be able to be reached by her? Hadn't it been 3 or so years since his death? I think Bugenhagen said something about them returning to the planet and I'm assuming that Aeris hasn't done this because she's still talking to Cloud in some form in Advent Children. I'm still wondering why they're showing Zack in Advent Children though. I probably just missed something that said why. All in all, it's about how you play the game itself. You can get Cloud paired up any of the three girls, you can even get him paired up with Barret if you really want to (I still haven't seen this, but you can check gamefaqs for it), so I guess whatever pairing you like best is the best one for Cloud. Him and Yuffie would be interesting...haven't seen that yet.
Zack is in a flashback. Aerith should have returned to the planet by now, maybe she has and Cloud is having a simple dream. But if Aerith is delayed in returning to the planet, what would give Cloud the same delay in order to be with her? She's an Ancient, but he's just the same as Zack, so how could they be together in death?
Alrighty. It was a good point to make, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra*Aeris
(SPOILER)Assuming that the consciousness of the dead remains in the Lifestream, not being sent back out to be recycled with the Spirit Energy that had belonged to the one who lived, I can't see why Zack couldn't be reached by Aerith. Both are now dead. If, however, all that remains of the consciousness are memories, it may not be so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra*Aeris
As for Aerith still being able to talk to Cloud being indicative of someone not having yet returned to the Planet, I'm fairly certain that isn't the case, as Aerith's mother was still speaking to Aerith years after her passing. The conversation shown in the 25 minute preview of the film has Aerith and Cloud having the following conversation:
(Courtesy of AdventChildren.net's vspirit.)
(SPOILER)As for Zack's presence in the film, as The Abominatrix said, he's only been shown to be in flashbacks (the same flashback seen in Final Fantasy VII if one returns to the basement of the Shin-Ra Mansion after Cloud has regained himself in the Lifestream.)Quote:
(SPOILER)You’ve finally come…even though it pains you to do so…
From behind, a girl reaches out to gently touch Cloud’s right hand.
(Aerith’s voice) Question. Why’d you come?
Cloud: I…think I want to be forgiven. That’s right, I want to be forgiven.
(Aerith’s voice, with a slight giggle) By whom?
...
[Later]
Cloud: Vincent…do you think a person can be forgiven?
Vincent: I’ve never had the pleasure of that experience.
Cloud nodding, decides, “I think I want to try and see…whether or not I could be.
I’ll inform you of the results later. C’mon, Marlene!”
(From his expression, Cloud seems to have come upon some sort of revelation)
Marlene happily runs back to Cloud. Holding hands, the two leave the place.
Vincent looks on at the two departing figures.
(Aerith’s voice) Really…that took him long enough. I’ve never laid any blame on him. Ever.
But him coming all this way to see me…that has really made me happy. And that, in itself, is more than enough.
(SPOILER)Yeah, Cloud can have the date with any of the three Females, though I wouldn't really call it paring them up. Interestingly enough, Yuffie's the only one of the three with enough guts to actually kiss Cloud (though it's on his cheek).Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra*Aeris
As for Barret, it's not so much a date as a conversation (the Event Square is even closed during their "date" and they just go off and talk) about things that are going on. Sadly, I don't remember the specifics too well. I'll see if I can find a script for it if you're interested.
:) I think cloud should not have aeris or tifa as a girlfriend, i thnk he and yuffie should go together. I mean, they both are alike, and yuffie likes cloud anyways so yeah. :) :confused:
It's been a long time since I played the game all the way through. I really should replay it soon and actually read the scripts...I had completely forgotten about Aeris' mother talking to her, but I could've sworn that people who weren't ancients were reborn or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squall of SeeD
I think I'll just try and get the Yuffie date (that kiss sounds cute), as for Barret, if you can find a script easily, thanks, if not, that's okay.
RPGamer has the script, I believe.
I'm pretty sure people who arent Ancients are simply reborn, for all I know the Ancients could be as well, but I dont think so, considering the Promised Land stuff. But of course, Cloud isnt an Ancient so it doesnt matter for him.
It has the game script, yes, but not all the variables of the date. It only uses the Aerith date scenario. What I meant is a script for the various date scenarios. Thanks anyway, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix
As for the subject of rebirth, Bugenhagen says that all living things are the same in a spiritual respect and that the Spirit Energy of everyone will be used again. That doesn't necessarily mean their consciousness doesn't remain in the Lifestream, however:
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"Eventually... all humans die. What happens to them after they
die?"
"The body decomposes, and returns to the Planet. That much
everyone knows. What about their consciousness, their hearts and their
souls?"
"The soul too returns to the Planet."
"And not only those of humans, but everything on this Planet. In
fact, all living things in the universe, are the same."
It may, it may not. But 'returning to the Planet' doesnt really explain. Personally I think their souls are reborn in new things.
Maybe "returning to the planet" means that she became part of the Lifestream...just a thought.Quote:
But 'returning to the Planet' doesnt really explain.