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Okay, here goes. I hope this answer hasn't already been done before.
I love You.
You are so much like me in every way,
Except You are a Goddess.
The most Beautiful as can be.
I wish to be your knight in shining armor.
Twenty years now, I cannot find You.
Looking up at the crescent,
I scream with all my soul,
"I shall die without you near me!"
:confused: cloud? :confused:
Red 14: wrong.
Okay, I corrected line 7. Just a grammatical issue; doesn't really help.
Hey, Pheonix Ash? Why don't you throw a guess out? I bet you know how to do this one!
Vincent?
Sephiroth, speaking to Jenova?
~MJE~
You are both on the wrong track.
Sumthin to do with the turks? Tseng maybe
Nuthin to do with the turks.
Where's Pheonix Ash? If he uses one of his strategies.... he should solve it. If you know what I'm talking about, you might beat him.
Zack? or Aeris?
You're not using the right strategy here. If I told you the strategy, it'd be easy.
Okay, I'll help you a little. The person speaking in this riddle is not the answer. He's actually not what we care about. Sorry, I should have told you that before, since most of my riddles' answers were the person narrating, but the person narrating in this riddle is irrevelant. It's a first person love poem, but try to read between the lines. It looks like someone writing a love poem, but if you are reading it like that, you are reading the mask of the riddle.
Sorry i`m not to good at riddles
i somehow get the feeling its related to that flashback of childhood Tifa and Cloud... but them again i could be wrong....
It`s dyne isn`t it cos of the pendant hhe has it`s a crescent or marlene cos dyne is the narrator Yeah i`ll go with marlene
Dyne is not the narrator. No one is the narrator. You are reading the mask of the riddle.
I have an idea. I'm going to PM random people hints instead of posting them on here. That oughta make things interesting!
EDIT: I've PMed different hints to Angelus and redxiiii. It's just a matter of whoever is able to use it correctly first. Or, Pheonix Ash will be able to figure it out w/o a hint first. If you post a guess after this post, and I haven't PMed a riddle to you, I'll consider doing that.
Are we supposed to identify "You"?
If so, then my guess is Aeris.
Aeris is incorrect.
abrojtm, look for a hint in your inbox in a bit.
EDIT: Okay, 3 people got a different hint now. The only thing I don't like about this is abr is online, so he has a bit of an advantage.
EDIT: I guess he's not on anymore. Well, when someone solves the riddle, you'll understand why I'm doing hints in this fashion. I think we should incorporate PMed hints from now on, so people can't ride on hints.
Oooh, I think that I so totally got it: Venus Gospel.
Wrong. It's not VG.
:( Princess Guard?
Wrong. (You're checking your inbox, right? I keep sending you a hint everytime you guess.)
Okay I'm gonna have to jump in I guess. The answer I'll guess from abrojtm is Ultimates, though I can't fit that. I'm sure it's something that is united by the characters, (at least some). I've leant towards characters important to them (Zack, Seto, Marlene etc.) but I can't get that either. This is tricky...
We have a winner! You mean Ultimate Weapons, right? That's them all right. Can you explain to everyone why?
I love You. (Premium Heart)
You are so much like me in every way, (Conformer)
Except You are a Goddess. (Venus Gospel)
The most Beautiful as can be. (Ultima Weapon)
I wish to be your knight in shining armor. (Princess Guard)
Twenty years now, I cannot find You. (Missing Score)
Looking up at the crescent, (Limited Moon)
I scream with all my soul, (HP Shout)
"I shall die without you near me!" (Death Penalty)
I kept thinking that answer, but couldn't work it out, once I knew it was right it suddenly clicked. That was actually really well done, it was a lot harder than usual. I'm gonna leave my last riddle up for now, but someone else can riddle in the meantime.
A quick clue, about my riddle, think about the objects listed outside of the game context.
here 1
1 is right 1 is left
this 1, near the sand, met his death
Ruby Weapon, or maybe those arms of his.
My second guess would be Dyne, but it doesn't really fit the whole riddle.
Nothing else seems to happen near sand. And nobody dies at Costa del Sol.
EDIT: No, it's Dyne. A gun arm is on the right arm, and another on the left.
Dyne is my official guess.
yup its dyne (why didnt u think it fit the riddle)
Well,once I figured out the gunarm part, it made sense.
Okay, here's my riddle.
"Hey, check out that bunch over there."
"Oh, yeah. I've heard of that cold guy."
"What have you heard?"
"He is not sure if he came first in something, I think."
"I think his girlfriend knows."
"That's his girlfriend??!!!! Oh man, I'm jealous!"
"Unfortunately, I think that other girl has a crush on him."
"Hmm, I think his girlfriend might beat us up, so do you think the bear in the marshallow might know something about him? He looks like he sucks in battle."
"No, he doesn't know much at all, I hear."
"Haha! Look at that cute, tall guy who looks like Blank from FFIX!"
"Look at how fat that other guy is! I bet he gets stuck everywhere and needs someone to help him out."
"No, actually."
"You say sumthin'?!"
Who were the gossipers talking about before they got noticed? I'm thinking this will be easier than my last riddle.
Cloud (is the guy who looks like blanc Vincent?)
In orderQuote:
Originally Posted by Weimar Pluto Knight VII
Cloud (cool guy)
Tifa (his gf)
Aeris (other girl)
Cait Sith's Moogle (bear in marshmallow)
Cid (the tall guy who looks like blank (note the hair))
Barret (fat guy)
Cloud (cold guy) correct
Tifa (his gf) correct
Aeris (other girl) wrong
Caith Sith's Moogle (bear in marshmellow) wrong
Cid (tall guy . . . blank) wrong
Barret (fat guy) wrong
Sorry mods, mind if I jumpstart this thread?
Okay, Hal, your answer is partially correct, but once you figure out who the other characters are, you'll know the answer.
I forgot to start a new game last night and check if Blank looked like the character I'm looking for. So if you figure it out, great! If I messed up, well, I'm pretty sure you can guess who he is after figuring out the other 5 characters.
Cloud=cold guy
Tifa=his gf
?=other girl
?=bear in marshmellow
?=guy who looks like Blank
?=fat guy
Fill in the question marks, and tell us what you would call everyone.
Other girl= popssibly Yuffie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Weimar Pluto Knight VII
Barret= Bear in marshmellow
Vincent= guy who looks like Blank
Cait Sith- fat guy.
that it?
Sorry, guys. I've been sick and have been lying in bed for like 20 hours.
You got Barret right!
Also, once you figure out enough people, you'll be able to call them something collectively.
cold guy- cloud
Girl friend- Tifa
Other Girl- some1 from avalance
bear in marshmellow-barret
guy who looks like blank-?
Fat guy-?
is the Something collectivly AVALANCHE
Very good, final-andy.
The other girl was Jesse. She's supposed to like Cloud, right? Unfortunately, she dies like 50 hours of gameplay before Aeris died, so that romance had no chance to develop.
I thought Biggs looked like Blank.
Wedge was the fat guy. I was trying to satirise the fact that despite his name being Wedge, and his being fat, Jesse is the one you have to help b/c of her wedged foot.
Okay, f-a. Riddle away.
ill give it 2 ya U R VERY CLEVER!
ull get this 1 easy
left, right,left,right
fast or slow
fast will cost
slow will reward
Hmmmm....could it be the train sequence with Cid as the leader....where you get a huge materia.
Train goes too fast, and you lose the Materia.
You slow it down in time, and the Materia's yours, as well as the Ultima materia(?)
well done giga guess ur turn
Where is giga it`s been days now?! should someone else go
OK
Cloud,Tifa,Aeris,Red
alll these have 1
this is better than all the rest
What is it
Are you implying that these four characters have something the others do not? And the idea of the riddle is to identify what this something is?
hmmmm, they have lvl4 limits better than all the rest???? Or am I thinking in the wrong way.
It must be something else because Red XIII's Lv.4 limit is useless (Stardust Ray is his best), and Tifa's doesn't work the same way as everyone elses. Could it be a reason for killing Sephiroth? Having said that it seems wrong, as there are people with more of a reason to kill him than Red. Can we have some more detail?
Parents.
While we're waiting for Final-Andy to say "You're right, PA!" I'd like to suggest two new rules for this thread.
1) Hints may only be sent via PM to people who have guessed. PMing is also the only way to know how close you are, too.
2) We had to wait a while for GG last time, so to avoid that, I suggest a 24 hour grace period for the solver to post the new riddle. After that, anyone can post a riddle. That way, the thread doesn't risk going under.
Rule 1 is lame; Rule 2 is generally implemented.
Rule 1 isn't that bad. I don't think it should be a rule as such, more an option. Some hints should definitely be general on obscure riddles though.
Anyway that's up for discussion. If I'm right, then I pass on my go, and I'll leave my last riddle up for solving, and maybe start posting new ones in a while. That said I may easily be wrong.
Red doesn't have any parents during the game. Seto is a statue and his mother (does she have a name) is long since dead. I suppose Bugenhagen is something like a parent though.
In the time the game is set neither does Cloud, Tifa, or Aeris. The others aren't mentioned. OH scrap that! Yuffie has a dad. Hmmm, back to the drawing board.
i just said four charcters names! it includes ALL of the characters but those 4 sounded cool in the riddle so i put them in OK!
Oh, it's Ultimate Weapons, then I guess...
well its Ultimate Weapon but ill give it 2 ya. ur turn!
Why singular? Anyway as I said, I'm passing my go on, my riddle is still open aswell.
As for your Riddle, PA, I have no idea...
(I can't believe it. I get a riddle right then my internt craps out....>_<)
Okay, here'a a VERY short one, and here's to hoping it's not to easy.
Sacred blossoms.
What am I referring to?
the Flowers in the church where you get Aeris as a character in Sector 6 slums (i think its 6 slums the church is in)
The flowers in the church in the Sector 5 Slums. That's probably the right answer. Gismo just got the sector wrong, so she can go ahead and do the next riddle if I'm right.
Well if that is the correct answer then my riddle is this:
it may be small and flat but it holds a greater power when caught.
what is it?
Well I was more referring to the song "Flowers Blooming in the Church" but....meh.
Kjata materia?
~MJE~
The Black Materia?
I`ll make a new riddle b`cos this thread has been dead for ages! "I`m dressed funny but I`m a great help to u" happy guessing!
Vincent. Some would consider him to be dressed "funny".
nope! try again
Hmm, I have a feeling the dressed funny thing is not a random detail. If it is, this riddle is too hard. I can't remember if the boss from the prison mentioned funny clothes, but maybe the answer is Esther. She is supposed to be a great help to you. You'd never get out of the prison.
Yes weimar got it, it was ester who helps you out of the prison
sorry dudes iv been on hol for a week an cudnt get bk on!
DelightfulSpekkio442 got it right it was kjata summon
"I am part of the second found, and the second to last of something else."
Okay, who's talking?
This is kinda tricky, so I'll add that this is true if you are very thorough and collect everything, but this does not include sidequests.
*bumps up to top.*
Thanks, Hal. Come on, everybody!
Im just gonna spitball it, Jenova?
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.
I'll PM hints if the guess had some thought to it, as when I did the ultimate weapons one, I related their guesses to the hint. Unfortunately, I can't relate Jenova to the answer. Sorry, CSf.
Actually, maybe you did have some thought. Jenova is the 2nd to last to fight, but you completely ignored the first part of the riddle.
Try again. You can do it!
Is it vincent?
Nope not Vincent. He's the 2nd to last character found, but how is part of the second found of something else? Also, my hint explained that my riddle is true if you've found everything in the field in the regular quest (so, no sidequests and hence Vincent is wrong under that logic,too) and haven't failed anything.
Since nobody is coming close, I might at well give everyone a hint. It's someTHING you FIND. So's the other THING. There something that you find that's the 2nd thing you've found non-randomly,then if you complete the game w/o missing anything in the main quests, you will find the other thing that's 2nd to last of something more specific, which is "part" of the first thing.
Thats a very confusing hint, but I`ll guess again is it a materia
Sorry about the confusing hint.
Hmm, since it seems it's just us on, I'll just post a hint on here.
Be a little more specific. Oh, and the answer is the 2nd thing in the riddle. There's the first thing that will help you with the 2nd part of the riddle, and that's who's talking, and that is the answer.
Is it REDXIII?
No, what are you doing? You're getting cold again.
When you said "materia," I said, "Be more specific." Notice I used that hint after that particular guess.
Okay, here are the hints. There's something that you find if you are thorough in your searches in the main quests that's the 2nd thing to be found. Now, fast forward much later when you find the 2nd to last thing of something else, which is also a part of the other thing. This second thing is the answer. Also, when you said the answer was materia, I told you to be more specific. Hmm, maybe that hint about specificity wasn't so random, considering your guess.
Good luck, red. I know you can do it.
So it must be a materia right ermm.......this is hard *randomly guesses* bahumut
I'd say Bahamut Zero? That's the second to last Huge Materia, I think. I haven't played the game in ages.
I hope it's not Bahamut Zero. Otherwise, I messed up. Okay, guys! Now get even more specific than that! You're close. It's obvious how to be more specific, so I'll just say that I hope there isn't any summon materia in the North Crater or Midgar, b/c if there is, I messed up.
EDIT: Uh oh. Is there one in the Underwater Reactor? I don't think so, but if there is, uh, pretend it didn't exist!
Don't forget about the first part of the riddle. That's another route you can take. The route you are on doesn't have much distance left on it, and if you figure out the first part of the riddle, the rest of the distance to the answer is pretty short. Being part of the 2nd found of something different implies that the answer is right in front of you if you figure out the first part of the riddle.
EDIT: whoops, I should probably add also that if you use the first part of the riddle, it's not the second thing literally, but the second type of the thing that's not a summon materia.
Shield materia, mega all materia?
I don't care about the shield or mega all materia.
Due to the several paths in the Northern Crater, there is no specific order where you pick up items. But, my riddle still holds, b/c it doesn't matter what order you picked up stuff in the Northern Crater. No matter what you do in the Northern Crater, the second to last of a specific kind of something you find will be part of the second totally different thing you collect, in context of the whole entire game (except for sidequests).
All you have to do is start a new game and play through the first reactor mission! After it blows up, you say, "Okay, I definitely did everything I can do in here. Hmm, let's go through 2nds."
If you get an answer that doesn't help you, if it's the same as "the first," that doesn't count, as I pointed out earlier.
is it the dark mater?my logic on this is way wrong an half asleep so not readin ya hints well enuf but dark mater is the second to last materia to be used at the end, as Holy is the last, and as to the second found, in the ancients temple u find bahamut summon first, if i remember right (might b wrong as not played in years an my PS n players guide is in attic as room is empty at min)
Is Dark Matter in FFVII? Maybe that's in the Japanese version.
Did I say "use?" I thought I said "found."
Okay, let's organise our hints here.
Path 1: You use the first part of the riddle to get the second part, which is the answer. I remember I said all you need to do is replay the first reactor bombing, doing and getting everything, then search through "seconds." The second type of something is during this event. If you know what it is, it will be sooooo obvious what the answer is.
Path 2: Solve the hint directly by ignoring the first part of the riddle, and follow the hints provided here. We've narrowed it down to a materia. Definitely, the answer is the second to last specific materia you find, assuming you do everything except for sidequests. The North Crater has several paths, making doing stuff in there random, but that does not affect this riddle. No matter what order you get everything in the crater, you will follow my riddle. As I stated before, if you fail some things in the whole game, the riddle may not work out. You must succeed exactly four times, where it is possible to fail.
EDIT: I should probably rewrite the riddle b/c I realise some of this is vital to solving the riddle.
"I am part of the second thing found,
And I am the second to last of something different found.
For this be true, one must succeed four times
When one may fail.
Be narrow-minded but thorough,
And you will realise what I am."
Steal or cure materia?
Let me clarify something. Specific type of materia, I mean. Not specific materia.
What worried me above? Okay, let's start eliminating. The Norther Crater did not worry me at all. I didn't remember what you collected, but I knew that it did not affect my riddle. In fact, you can eliminate everything in The Northern Crater b/c of that, so don't guess anything else from the North Crater.
Hmm, that comma at the end worries me. I hope it's complete. I also notice 3 blue materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_vii_n.txt
Let me teach you proof by contradiction. I do it in my math classes sometimes.
Assume solution is blue materia.
Second to last blue materia you collect is unaffected by whatever you do in the North Crater.
But, there are three blue materia in the North Crater.
--><--
.'. All blue materia are not a solution.
RED: how is Steal or Cure part of the second thing found of something else? Also, is cure the 2nd to last green materia you find, skipping sidequests?
Sorry weimar I was just to tierd and about to give up, I`ll guess again, ermmm,holy or black materia
Come on, Red. You can do it.
(Yeah, I'd be tired too if I stayed up until six. You in Eastern Time Zone? I am pretty tired, too, for studying until 3 AM last night.)
Okay, back to the riddle. I think Holy and Black Materia were already guesses, and I said they were wrong. Well, for some reason the person called the Black Materia "Dark Matter," but Black Materia when you call it what it is is still wrong.
Just work backwards through the game. If there's only one yellow materia at the crater, maybe the answer is a yellow materia. (Not "yellow or command materia," but one of them.) Just go back through the game until you get the 2nd to last one. Proof by contradiction helps. So if you follow a kind of materia backwards, you have to make sure it passes the first part of the riddle. Like "Okay, maybe it's W-item. It should pass the first part of the riddle." If it doesn't, you draw crashing arrows on your paper and follow another type of materia backwards. If you can figure out how it passes the first part of the riddle, then you win.
I don't know how another materia could pass my riddle, but if it one exists, and you say why, you win, and I'll tell you what one I intended.
But, the one I intend passes the first part of the riddle quite obviously. So, for those of you trying to start with the first part of the riddle-- like I sort of said earlier, just play through the first reactor bombing again collecting everything, and the answer will be right in front of you at some point. Remember, the second something is not something that the answer is, but the answer is "part" of the thing in the reactor.
Good luck, y'all!
Hp absorb?
I'll go with Ultima. I can't actually remember whether you get it in the reactor or not, but I'm pretty sure you get Restore there, or near there. This would be the second materia you find, it happens to be magic. Shield would be the final magic materia, and that leaves it as either Full-Cure or Ultima. As Ultima is the one that can be failed in several different ways I guess that.
I know some of that logic doesn't necessarily fit the riddle, and Ultima doesn't seem as obvious as it might, but I just read every hint from the original clue in one go and now I'm too tired to think.
Red, I just proved to you that no blue materia is the answer, and nothing in the crater is the answer. Why would you pick that?
Pheonix Ash, I am impressed with your critical thinking, but Ultima wasn't what I was looking for. Unfortunately, I cannot reward you with a statement that you solved the riddle.
This is basically what I want you to do. If the answer is S, you have to say, "S is the second to last T materia you get, and S is part of the second totally different type of thing you collect in the game, which is X, and X is a(n) x. The ambiguous phrase "part of" refers to how E." "S"="the answer," "T"="type of materia", "X"="the second thing you collect blah blah blah," "x"="what that thing is, like materia, armor, weapon, etc.", and "E"="explanation of what 'part of' means."
So, Pheonix Ash thinks the answer is Ultima. So, he needs to fill in the logic variables with support as to why Ultima is the answer. So, "Ultima is the second to last magic materia you get, and Ultima is part of the second totally different type of thing you collect in the game, which is ______, and ______ is a(n) ______. The ambiguous phrase "part of" refers to how ______________." If he can't fill in the blanks, then he needs to come up with a different materia.
Succeeding four times does not mean you will not collect the answer, but it will make the riddle untrue. You don't have to explain this, but you may, since if you have the answer I'm looking for, you'll know what these are.
Some errors in PA's logic is that Restore is the first materia you collect, not counting ones pre-equipped onto the Buster Sword. I also, I would call Full-Cure something you get in a sidequest, since there's not much of an obligation to get it at a certain time. I am defining sidequest as anything you do where the story wants you some place else. If the story isn't at Cosmo Canyon where an item becomes available then, don't worry about it since it contributes to variable order.
If proving it seems hard, if you have the answer I'm looking for, it shouldn't be too hard to fill in all the blanks, as long as you have a pretty good memory of the game, so you have to know order of important stuff to collect, which probably isn't too hard. The stuff in the first reactor you probably have memorised since you've done that a lot more times than the rest of the game.
Okay well in that case I think the answer must be Phoenix. A Summon materia, and I'm guessing it's the second if you ignore Bahamut ZERO, Hades, and Knights of the Round... Actually scrap that, I think ZERO would be the final one, making the four huge materias the ways to fail. The second item you get would then be Phoenix Down, of which Phoenix is part of the name.
All right, Pheonix Ash! You are the master of solving FFVII riddles.
I think I actually write too many hints, but I'm afraid the thread will go dead if I don't help.
Riddle away, PA. . .or not, if you don't want to.
Thank you :D . The hints were fairly important there I thought, it was quite a tricky riddle to get from scratch, nicely complex to understand though.
I'm gonna give it to the next person who wants to make a riddle again, but I'll leave my old one up for solving still:
The sun stood alone, and did it's work.
It looked down at the world, the grass was calling for the aid of the gods.
The sea was cold, yet hot at once, it healed the earth.
Surprisingly,the plums rose up and led the way, they told the others what to do.
What did the blood do?
:( Not that riddle again I`m so :confused: but I still want to solve that riddle instead of another.
Hmmmmmmmmmm, is it to do with the jenova cells? :confused:
Hmm, maybe it has to do with Sephiroth in the flashback. He's alone, working/reading/, looks down on everyone, then you might be talking about the burning of Nibelheim, ...
The blood followed the plums. The plums had a reunion or something.
You might also be talking about Midgar. The blood gave life to the sea, while the plate was looking down.
I'm intentionally not giving massive clues to this, bear in mind it's only there as a background riddle while someone else writes the main one...
I really can't say a lot here, the most important thing to note is the structure of this riddle. It isn't as uniform as it could be, but it's pretty much key to solving it properly. That said you could in theory solve this without a lot of the information given.
is it one of the weapons?
which one do you follow around....
not playedd VII in ages...
ruby? or is it emerald....
Ultima Weapon, borisnono. What riddle are you answering? He's asking what the blood is doing.
Huh? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by boris no no
Hmm...
What exactly do you mean by the "structure" of the riddle?
1st line-9 syllables
2nd line-17 syllables
3rd line-13 syllables
4th line-20 syllables
...Nope, no clue there...
(SPOILER)Judging just from the clues, I'd guess that the sun is Meteor. Meteor was alone in the sky doing what it was meant to do-destroy everything.
The grass calling for the aid of the gods would be the land/people in despair at the situation, asking for hope but not knowing if any would come.
The sea healing the earth would be the Lifestream stopping Meteor, though I can't make sense of the cold/hot bit.
The plums then would be the heros or the Shinra. Cait Sith instructed people to take shelter in the slums, as did Rufus and company.
Which would leave the blood to be Sephiroth, and what it did was hold Holy back.
That's the most sense I can make of this. But if I'm wrong, I'll be happy to try again.
No, the blood is something the plums is telling what to do. Shinra doesn't tell Sephiroth to block Meteor. That can't be right. Also, the way the question is structured, you have to try to be able to come up with something metaphorical, like the rest of the riddle. Am I right, PA?
I'm trying to ignore the nouns in the riddle, and trying to see if the actions are familiar. I'm also thinking about what could be comprised of five elements. One thing I can think of is the Pagoda, but I can't think of a way to apply the riddle there.
Maybe you could tell us if we're getting closer to solving the riddle? Anybody come close?
Skyblade used impressive thinking, but sadly not right. Weimar, very good logic, and getting very close to answering this, however you seem to have assumed a link between the instructions of the plums and the blood which isn't there. I may have been misleading in a clue somewhere in that respect, so if I was I apologise.
As for the form of the answer, that should be fairly clear once you work out what it is. I don't have anything specific in mind.
EDIT: If you are going to use the entire riddle, I should make two warnings. One is that there is a twist that I put in to make it harder to solve. Two is that you have to assume something about the plums, which might be less obvious than for the other nouns.
Might the "plums" be referring to purple materia?
oooo, that's a good idea, Hal. Let me use that suggestion.
The blood called forth the gods, which then appeared.
Ooooh, almost there. Keep going, and bear in mind, I wouldn't make it quite that simple :D.
Did they summon Holy?
How do I keep going? Try again with something different?
I wonder what the twist could be. I mean, the materia theory works.
Sun=yellow materia
Grass=green materia
Sea=blue materia
plums=purple materia
blood=summon materia
Do I have to come up with something else for the blood to do? All we have to do is figure out what every line's counterparts are in the game, then change what blood's counterpart does to a metaphor that fits the rest of the riddle, right?
Let me go back to Midgar then.
The Shinra Bldg. is the sun, due to its location in Midgar and due to it working.
The people in the slums of Midgar call for the aid of the gods, or Shinra.
The sea is Avalanche. The sea comes from what an avalanche is. The coldness comes from it being snow and maybe b/c Cloud is a member; the hotness coming from Barret (short temper) or Jesse (she's hot, okay j/k). It heals the earth by blowing up reactors and stopping Sephiroth.
Plumszzzz....... hmmmm. The Turks are kinda bossy.
The blood is Mako. Possible answers due to this logic:
A) The blood gave life to the sea.
B) The blood came out of the planet, causing it to gradually die.
EDIT: Hal, I think you have to be more metaphorical.
I thought maybe you were wasting time with going over a wrong answer again, but nobody's called the blood Red XIII. I think you need to be more metaphorical, though.
Aaargh, so close, and now going in totally the wrong way. Weimar don't go back on what you've got, but actually try and get the whole riddle working. I said there was a catch and there is, work out what it is and you've finished.
The twist must be there are 5 kinds of materia, so each line is about a materia. That's the only kinda twist I can come up with, unless the plums are the little purple dudes in the Temple of the Ancients.
But it's weird how the actions seem to be messed up. Let me just look at action.
stood alone and did it's work--independent
aid of the gods--summon
healed the earth--support
told the others what to do--command
Okay, I get it. What does command mean? "tell others what to do." That's the twist! I've got it!
What's left, now? Hmm.
Magic! Now, I just need an expression. The blood
1) called on supernatural powers
2) pulled a rabbit out of its hat
3) disappeared
4) cast a spell
5) split the planet in half
6) said, "I will now cut Cloud in half!"
7) did something that means magic
The sun (Yellow) is command Materia.
The grass (Green) is magic Materia.
The sea (Blue) is support Materia.
The plums (Purple) is independant Materia.
The blood (Red) is summon Materia.
Pretty easy, if you look at it that way.
So what the blood did was summon... Still, if that's wrong, I guess we'll have to think of something else...
The sun stood alone, and did it's work.
It looked down at the world, the grass was calling for the aid of the gods.
The sea was cold, yet hot at once, it healed the earth.
Surprisingly,the plums rose up and led the way, they told the others what to do.
Looking at the way suggested in the above post, I would say that:
The sun is independent (stood alone).
The grass is summon (calling on the aid of the gods).
The sea is magic (magic is where most of the healing is).
The plums are support (instructing/affecting the others-support materia).
So the blood is Command Materia, right?
The sun stood alone, and did it's work.
It looked down at the world, the grass was calling for the aid of the gods.
The sea was cold, yet hot at once, it healed the earth.
Surprisingly,the plums rose up and led the way, they told the others what to do.
What did the blood do?
We have a winner!!!.....Kinda....
The nouns were in facts clues/ distractions as to the solution. They do represent colours of materia, but are not connected to the materia they represent. The idea is to realise you have all five colours, and so come up with the missing action.
stood alone, and did it's work. (Independent)
calling for the aid of the gods. (Summon)
cold, yet hot at once, it healed the earth (Ice, Fire, Cure, and Quake, this is Magic, admittedly slightly less clear than the others)
they told the others what to do. (Command)
And so the blood did whatever you think would represent Support materia :D.
Weimar pretty much got the full answer so the riddle (FINALLY!!!) goes to him, well done :D.
hmm, that explains the hot and cold bit. Everyone was stuck on that.
Yep, that was very well written, although I think the 3rd line didn't fit the rest of the riddle. The other three were phrases that meant what the materia was called, but you did something different for magic. I don't know if that was intentional to make it hard, or you couldn't think of something better. So, I was like, " 'healing the earth' sort of means support, so..."
I just did the last one, so I pass. College is getting a little stressful right now with studying and a research paper, so right now I only feel like solving riddles but not writing them.
Hal, do you want to go? I couldn't have done it w/o you bringing up independent materia.
Yeah I can't remember why I wrote the third line differently, I know I thought about it, because I knew it left out so many magics. I wanted to be not too obvious, that's why the nouns were there as a semi-clue and semi-distraction.
Yeah next riddle should go to Halenite, even though technically mine wasn't part of the main thread.
I still disagree with the last bit. You riddle states that the plums "take the lead, telling the others what to do". The only Materia that affects other Materia is support, not command. Poorly worded, in my opinion.
Yeah, that got you, didn't it, skyblade. Only the 3rd one was poorly worded, b/c the rest of them had a common system. He took the definition of the types of materia, then had something with a different color do each definition. "Independent" means standing alone and doing its work. He didn't intend it to be what the materia does. The word "summon" itself means calling for something, like aid. "Telling the others what to do" means the word "command." That wasn't poorly written; you just got thrown off and wanted to think about the materia and not what their called.
*Nods*, yeah thanks Weimar, that pretty much sums it up. I really wish I could remember the thinking behind the third line, I'm sure there was some :P.
EDIT: Actually looking at it I may have been referring to actions, which would then explain the first three lines and not the last one as Skyblade said. Actually maybe you could read the last line in the same way.... Oh well, it's done now :D .
Telling the others what to do is what threw me. The only "others" we referred to were other materia. And the only materia that affects other materia is support materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weimar Pluto Knight VII
Yeah, that threw me off, too, until he said that there is no connection between the blood and the plums. So, even if he said "the" (I can imagine him laboring over that), don't apply a link to the other lines.
Also, I think Mega-All is an independent materia, yet it also affects other materia. There goes your logic.
*Shrug* Mega-All differs from support materia in two ways, one of which is very important. The first is that it affects all your materia (which doesn't really matter for the purposes of this discussion). The second is that unlike support materia, Mega-All is useful by itself (it changes your attack to Slash-All). Support materia is only useful when combined with other materia. Oh, and I was not connecting plums to blood (everything else, perhaps, yes, but not the blood, since it wasn't in the riddle yet). I was simply pointing out that the line states that "Surprisingly,the plums rose up and led the way, they told the others what to do". Look at this. "Surprisingly" could refer to the fact that Support materia is useless by itself, so it is hardly the top choice for what "led the way". "Told the others what to do" is also pointing to Support materia. The others are the sun, grass, and sea. What is the only materia (besides a single independant one called Mega-All, if that will make you happy) that "tells the others (other materia) what to do"? Support. Command materia just supplies new battle commands. It doesn't really tell anything what to do.
Sorry to intrude on your conversation here, but has any1 made a new riddle?
No. It's Halenite's turn, though...
You missed it, Red! I solved that really hard riddle about the plums and the blood! The answer was the blood did anything that meant support.
Okay, Hal, where are ya, dude? Say the next riddle, Hal. . . . Hal? Okay, maybe you didn't get that joke. But seriously, it's your turn. I hope your subscription to this thread didn't cancel or whatever.
Sorry, didn't get a chance to get online yesterday (I only have access at the Library and School)
Anyway.
From the table
in King Arthur's Court
We will destroy
the one of the fort.
Last two lines make no sense, but I like rhyming things. The first two lines should give it away though.
Knights of the Round - Ultimate End
No I seen u solve the riddle great thinkin!
Thanks for the support Weimar :D.
Use of the word others wouldn't have anything to do with the other materia in the riddle if you took the riddle as it was. The nouns don't actually exist, they are merely clues as to the answer in the riddle. Even if they were meant to be taken as existing, they don't actually match the actions that they are said to, and therefore couldn't really be taken as materia.
Anyway I'm only defending that point because it's been brought up, that wasn't one of my more planned out riddles if I remember. Good luck with wording your riddle though Skyblade ;) :D.
Aw, how kind of you. ;) Thanks, Phoenix. But we still have to wait for Halenite to tell me if I'm right. With luck, I'll be wrong, so I won't have to make a new riddle. I'm not very good at writing riddles. Give me a week, and I might have one for you, but probably not before that. I just like guessing them.
It was too obvious to NOT get wrong.
Your up skyblade.
Damn. Ok, I'm thinking. If anyone else has one, they can go ahead. I'll try to get one as soon as I can, but it probably won't be till next time.
I'll try one. It's fairly easy though
"We walk around saying a chant,
you'll probably think were all starting to rant,
Most will make it, some will be lost
trying to make it our feelings are false,
don't take the time to stop
you see how many of us on the face of a clock"
hmm, the clock in the temple of the ancients?
12 chanters...
It's either what Weimar said, or you are talking about the Sephiroth 'clones' you find in Nibelheim before the Jenova Reunion.
If he means the Sephiroth clones, he's wrong, since there are more than twelve of them.
I'm gonna take a wild stab and say the Ancients in the Templa of Ancients....?
Well I know there are more than twelve but come on...... and the rest of the riddle was correct plus i was counting the ones before Red XIII
OK ForestOwl your up
When you are spending the night in the Gold Saucer (moments before the date), someone says, "So, there are at least 13." I would have cut the clock thing from the riddle, then. Other than that major flaw, the rest of the riddle was good.
A calm breeze prevails,
Carrying our voices away,
From below we hear a sigh,
Eminating from the angry forge
Where swords and shields are made,
One to attack, the other to defend.
To stand here, listening to the trobbing heartbeat of nature,
Is enough to make even to toughest of hearts sing "Hallelujah"
What is the riddle talking about?
Hmmm, Cosmo Canyon?
I don't remember a place in FFVII that makes swords and shields. There's a dude in the underworld of FFIV that makes a sword, though. Too bad this is about FFVII, though, so I'm stuck.
Another reason I'm stuck is I count 8 lines. Can anyone think of something with 8 elements to it?
No, sorry. Pay attention to the punctuation as it helps with the reading of each line. Don't take it too literally either.
Hmm, Lifestream?
Lifestream passes a few things. Meteor would be the attacker, and Lifestream would be the defender. It comes out from the ground. It's also the throbbing heartbeat of nature.
Am I getting closer to the answer?
No, but keep guessing.
Is it the Ancients?
No, but that is slightly closer.
City of the ancients?
Again, no, but still in the correct vein.
the crater?
No, Halenite and redxiiii were closer with the Ancient idea.
The ancient forest?
No, sorry. I capilitalised the 'A' in Ancient for a reason as the answer is related to them in a roundabout way.
Temple of the Ancients?
No. I know I said it's related to the Ancients the actual answer has nothing to do with them. I suggested the Ancients because they will lead you to the riddle's solution.
The Promised Land! :D
No, but a clue to the answer does help the characters get nearer to understanding the Promised Land.
*stares at it for 5 minutes*
uhhh, Titan?
I also noticed you could divide this thing up into a bunch of two-liners. Should we start thinking of stuff with four elements to them?
Titan? Not quite. In fact nowhere near.
You're getting the right idea by trying to look at it line by line. If you follow the commas you'll see there are seven individual sections (the fourth runs onto two lines) and each has it's own significance. Try to do something with it now you know that.
The voice of the planet?
Aeris's Limit breaks.
Maybe Lifestream?
Or the Weapons?
If no one wants to write a new riddle this afternoon, I might write one this evening. I'm done with my research paper, so less stress! Not right now, though, b/c I have to take care of presentation things.
Where is ForestOwl? She's supposed to say, "Congratulations, Weimar!"
A calm breeze prevails, = Healing Wind
Carrying our voices away, = Seal Evil
From below we hear a sigh, = Breath of Earth
Eminating from the angry forge Where swords and shields are made, = Fury Brand
One to attack, the other to defend. = Planet Protector (only one that doesn't work nicely)
To stand here, listening to the trobbing heartbeat of nature, = Pulse of Life
Is enough to make even to toughest of hearts sing "Hallelujah" = Great Gospel
Very well written, FO.
"Congratulations, Weimar!"
Line 5 (the Planet Protector line) does make sense if you start from line 3 and follow it through. Your turn.
"Thrice the master said 'play.'
I made many cry the second time I was.
I have a cousin that's older yet less mature."
Okay, this one is gonna be hard. I don't remember anyone doing a riddle like this before. If you open your mind up to possibilities, this riddle is easy.
Zack?
My guess is Cloud. His master could be Sephiroth and he controls Cloud at three points in the game (Temple of the Ancients, Forgotten Capital and the Northern Crater). I'm not too sure about the cousin part as I wasn't aware Cloud had a cousin.
Not Zack.
Oh, and I'd never write a riddle whose answer was Cloud. People could guess it easily. I like how you came up with controlling at 3 points in the game, though. You're right about the cousin part. Cloud doesn't have a cousin mentioned in the game. I mean cousin in a loose sense. If you figure out what the answer is, you'll understand why it has to be used loosely.
Both guesses were way off. I'm gonna take on PA's philosophy of mininal hints. But to make it not impossible, use the hint that you have to open your mind to possibilities of what the answer could be. I don't mean related to the riddle, but just what the solution is.
??Sephiroth??
Well my guess is FFVII itself, for a few reasons, but it seems like my logic is quite abstract (and I think only really in my head because I was reading on this the other day).
EDIT: Might aswell offer my thinking I guess.
"Thrice the master said 'play.'(Japanese, American/European Release, FFVII International.)
I made many cry the second time I was.(Japanese lost out after seeing the extras in the American Version.)
I have a cousin that's older yet less mature."(The oldest version of the game actually is the least developed.)
Wow, that's very good logic, PA. I almost want to give it to ya.
When I say 'master,' it means expert at one's craft.
'Cry' can be taken literally. You could also supplant it with 'feel very sad.'
You have the right idea with cousin, although what you described is more like 'sisters.'
I like the way you used my other hint. Enter the game a little, but not too much.
Is it Yuffie? Cause her master could be her father, Godo, the second time she apears explicitly in the game is when she takes thine materia, and then her cousin could be one of the people in the pagoda?? I am probably not right, but you know, worth a shot right?
Hello, Chocobilly. Welcome to the FFVII riddles thread.
Cousin should be construed as something metaphorical. If you know what the answer is, you can figure out what the metaphorical cousin might be.
Also, Chocobilly made an obvious guess. See how PA guessed? You need to think like that. Also you ignored my hint where I defined 'master' for you. The first line should help you figure out what is so unusual about the answer. Unfortunately, PA misconstrued the definition of 'play.' What else could 'play' mean?
Okay, in that case I go with Aeris' theme. Master referring to musician, and three referring I guess to three times that it is played during the game (I can't remember if that's true or not). The second time would therefore be at the end of disc one. I don't know whether the last line refers to the non-orchestral version, or possibly if I remember rightly, a similar song played during the opera scene in FFVI.
Congrats, PA! Your turn.
The third line was talking about Aeris's other theme, otherwise known as Flowers Blooming in the Church, I think. It plays before the one that plays during Aeris's death, and it's just, I guess, a calmer version. Not really a very emotional song.
Yes, it does play three times. Once during Elmyra's flashbacks, again at Aeris's death, and finally shortly before the end of Disc 2. The party reminisces about Aeris a bit, and Cloud wants everyone to forget her. Then, Aeris's theme fades out rather quickly to be replaced by the Highwind theme that keeps playing until you insert Disc 3.
Um, doesn't Aeris' theme play during the FMV of the escape from the Crater?Quote:
Originally Posted by Weimar Pluto Knight VII
You mean on Disc 2? No music plays during that FMV, until the very end, and the music there is not really a song. Just a dissonant chord.
EDIT: Oh, you mean during the ending? It features Aeris's. . .uh, motif in that song, but the name of the song is World Crisis.
Yeah, I meant during the ending. Yes, the song is called World Crisis, but it definitely has Aeris' theme in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weimar Pluto Knight VII
Well, the answer is the song called Aeris's Theme or earisunotema, and what you hear in World Crisis is not a song, but more like a motif or even a theme itself, but it's not a song. I mean, it's not a song until you play the whole track. The 'master' did derive that part of the song from Aeris's theme, though, much like he does later several times in the piece. "Baaaa ba ba diiii daaa!"
Yeah, I didn't think of that, but it wasn't enough of a confusion to stop PA from solving the riddle.
Oh, PA, since we solved your other riddle, do you want to start writing new ones now? Or, do you want someone else to write one?
Okay I guess I should start another one going, but I have way too much on my mind to write it now. If I can I'll post one tomorrow, but someone else go for now. By the way, nice way to mix up the types of riddles Weimar :D .
My music appreciation professor told us that...
- a motif is usually an incomplete melodic idea around two to ten notes long and stands for a specific person, thing, or idea. (i.e., think the five descending notes in Phantom of the Opera - that's the Phantom's motif)
- a theme is usually a complete melodic idea that also stands for a specific person, thing or idea. (think the entire title song from Phantom of the Opera - it's repeated, both with and without words, many times throughout the whole musical)
- a song is by definition something which is sung. Instrumental music is called either by the name of what it actually is (a symphony, a sonata, etc.) or simply a "piece."
A little off topic I know, but interesting nonetheless. So I would say that Aeris' motif appears in World Crisis, cause if I remember correctly it's only the first ten notes or so, and not a complete melodic idea.
Hmm, I didn't know a song had to be sung. I have heard the term, "piece" before, actually. So, the answer was the piece named Aeris's Theme. Not Aeris's theme or Aeris's motif, or whatever that is also in what I called the answer's cousin, or whatever is in World Crisis, either.
Hey sorry,Iwon't be around for the next few days, so someoneelse post a riddle. Don't worry I'm thinking of some ideas so I can actually post another one when I get back.
I will take Phoenix's advice and do something till he gets back... okay here we go...
A hippy owns me.
I show people different worlds.
If you find them, I will hold the four keys to the Cetra's power.
(I know this is pretty easy, but hey, its something, no?)
Keystone?
Nope... try again :)
try not to take "key" literally
The machine in Cosmo Canyon that Red XIII grandfather owns or the Huge Materia
That was easy.....
Correct sir! It was Bugen's Machine. It holds the four huge materia. Told ya it was easy. Anyway, go for it Cloud. Just remember when PhoenixAsh gets back, it's his turn. This is just... placebo for now. :)
Someone else go I suck at riddles.
Hey everyone. I am at a hotel in Switzerland, so thats why I have disappeared for the week. hmm, i only have 2.11 francs left, so id better be quick.
First was hey
Last was materia.
My first though is Yuffie, and possibly her first and last words, can't quite remember. I think here last line may have been about having the materia when this is over, but that may be from an earlier section.
I think it's Cid, although I'm not sure, it could also be that 'slow' assistant of his, what's her name. *Can't think of her name.* I'm stumped otherwise. Note: try to say if someones wrong or right in the thread to keep the thread going. Much appreciated!
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After some thought, I realised I messed up. Okay, here's a riddle that works. btw, I'm back from Switzerland.
First was hey.
Last was it can't be.
Sephiroth's first words during the mission in Nibelheim to his fall into the Mt. Nibel Mako Reactor after his massacre of the village. In other words, his first and last words five years before the beginning of the game:Quote:
Originally Posted by Weimar Pluto Knight VII
(Bolded for emphasis.)Quote:
Cloud
"Hey, how are you doing?"
(The soldier makes a dismissive gesture, then sinks down lower.)
"I'm all right."
Cloud
"I wouldn't know..."
"I've never had motion sickness."
(He walks to the other guard.)
Cloud
"Everything okay?"
(He walks to the middle of the truck. Sephiroth looks up.)
Sephiroth
"Hey."
(Cloud turns.)
Sephiroth
"Settle down."
(Bolded for emphasis.)Quote:
Sephiroth
"Don't... push... your luck..."
Sephiroth
"...It can't be!"
congratulations, Squall of Seed. Your turn to riddle.
Sorry for the delay in posting a new riddle. I kind of forgot that I solved the last one.
So here we go:
Leviathan's peer, Emerald's roommate,
The skies above await!
As swift as Bahamut, as graceful as Phoenix,
Behold the strength of my kicks!
Who am I?
Would I be correct in thinking that the answer is a summon?
Hades? Found in the Gelnika near Emerald, and it's a summon.
That's not the answer, I'm afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weimar Pluto Knight VII
Sounds like a chocobo to me.
Leviathan[blue]'s peer, Emerald[green]'s roommate, [the other colour is yellow]
The skies above await! [they can't fly, but there is a bird reference]
As swift as Bahamut, as graceful as Phoenix, [more references to its movement]
Behold the strength of my kicks! [chocobos kick when enraged]
Who am I? [a chocobo/ChocoMog]
Am I right?
Just a wild guess.... could it possibly be Mr. Dolphin? I'm probably wrong... :crying2:Quote:
Leviathan's peer, Emerald's roommate,
The skies above await!
As swift as Bahamut, as graceful as Phoenix,
Behold the strength of my kicks!
Who am I?
...If I do happen to be right, though (WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING LOLOLOLZ!) ForestOwl is going to take my turn. :love:
Luthien has the correct answer. >_>
Good luck, ForestOwl.
Thanks. OK, riddle time...
'Twelve of me there are
Seven of me you possess
Six will make it far
The other lays in the depths'
What am I?