This game definitly recieves too much hate

I have to say im not big on level scaling...thats my biggest gripe, but aside from that this game is solid final fantasy.

The junction system is really cool once you figure it all out and the draw system is pretty cool for a novelty idea, but i wouldnt want too see that really all that much again...but it works for this game and works quite well.

Music is superb in all aspects, classic FF music in my eyes.

The story i think is good, alot better than XII but of course not the best in the series by any means, i just think its interesting...i like love stories too btw ;)

I dunno...i just think alot of people hate on this game way too much, i can understand hating the junction system but its really not that much of a travesty, its pretty good when you figure it all out.

Only other major downfall is having to watch summons over and over...course im not a summoner kind of guy unless i need it, so that doesnt effect me too much.

All in all, i think VIII is solid...its ashame it gets thrashed so much.

but you don't ever have to use summons, once you've properally worked out how the junction system works.

but yeah it gets too much hate. i think it's also to do with the story that creates a loop.

I'd say one of the reasons people hate it that much is because they don't like changes. It's not what they were used to and therefore they trashed it. The only problem I had with the story was that the world could have used more detail and there were a few small parts of the plot that didn't seem very convincing. Other than that it was a good game.
The junction system is in many ways efficient - the only real problem I have with it is that you lose a junctioned spell everytime you cast it, so you have to keep on drawing new ones - but then again you can draw magic from your enemies.
As for the long summons, I actually don't have a problem with them since long GF animations allow you to boost more.

I will give FF VIII this, it had some decent music and a few awesome tracks.

The juntion system was easy to use, the problem is it was so easily abused it wasn't even funny.

And I don't hate it because of change. I grew up on things like Lufia 2, breath of Fire 2, and FF IV and VI. Yet now I enjoy all sorts o fgames and RPG's of all idfferent kinds.

People hate FF vIII because of a forced plot and horrible characters. For example, Irvine knew exactly who edea was from the start. However, after squall gives him a bit of confidence, he has no quams whatsoever about putting a bullet through his surrogate mothers skull.

Also, the drawing system is annoying as hell.
Plus, Squall sucks. He was singly the worst aspect.,

i think its because so many people like 7 they wantead more of the same i can understand some points they have about the game but its the same with 7 their were thing wrong with it, it wasnt the perfect game.

I see FFVIII getting more love than hate these days. It seems to me that FFVII and FFX-2 get bashed a lot more than FFVIII. The thing about this game is that you either love it or you hate it.

The reason I like other FFs more than VIII is because I thought the story started off well, but gradually fell apart (Orphanage? Time Compression? Stop.), I didn't like or relate to any of the characters, and my feelings for them swung between apathy and annoyance, and the love story, which to me seemed forced and unnatural, was jammed down our throats.

As far as gameplay goes, my only gripe is that it was slightly too easy. I don't hate FFVIII, and I think it's a lot better than many games I have played. But as I said, I just don't think it's in the same league as some of the other FFs.

There are haters of them all, there are lovers of them all, and that be the flow of things. It probably only seems like there's a huge abundance of hate because you belong to a Final Fantasy forum, where non-stop bashing and arguing and fighting over everything makes any of the games seem like pieces of crap or pieces of gold. In reality, I'm sure there's many more fans of each and every title than there is haters.

Actually most of the hate ive seen was on other forums...it just sometimes seems like people jump on bandwagons more than saying how they truely feel on message forums about certain games.

As if its the cool thing to do to hate FFVIII or Star Ocean III, those 2 games just get thrashed and i just dont see why.

As for the change...i personally am a stickler of everything old school, and after playing FFVIII it just doesnt feel that different to the original final fantasy formula other than the junction system and all that.

But the story feels finalfantasy-ish and the music, the random battles, classic atb turn based combat etc...just makes for a good experience.

How you can possibly say that FFVIII had a better plot than FFXII is beyond me.

Actually, the only problems I have with this game are plot related. I enjoyed the gameplay, but the relationship between Squall and Rinoa was completely unbelievable. He dislikes her until she goes comatose, then he loves her. This is the origin of my belief that Squall is closet necrophiliac. Aside from that, the cast of characters is almost entirely undeveloped (which is important for a game that was supposed to be driven by characters rather than circumstances). Also, there's the reasons Psychotic mentioned (orphanage, time compression, etc.).

I had such high hopes for the game after the first disc (which was brilliant), but it just went downhill from there.

Edit: I'd like to note that I have nothing against the fact that FFVIII was a love story. I'm a sucker for romance, but only good romance.

Squall as a closet necrophiliac... xD That made me choke with laughter on my soda.

FUTURE ESTHAR WILL SMITE ALL TEH HATE WITH HIS TRUTH! :bigsmile:

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There are haters of them all, there are lovers of them all, and that be the flow of things. It probably only seems like there's a huge abundance of hate because you belong to a Final Fantasy forum, where non-stop bashing and arguing and fighting over everything makes any of the games seem like pieces of crap or pieces of gold. In reality, I'm sure there's many more fans of each and every title than there is haters.

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Seriously.

Personally, I didn't mind FFVIII's story...the characters were all developed enough, in my eyes, and I really enjoyed the surreal plot elements (like Time Compression and everything), and the theme of persecution with the sorceresses was a nice touch. Of course, the game was really easy, but oh well.

Edit: And oh goodness the soundtrack! Almost completely forgot about it. The soundtrack to this game was wonderful, definitely in my top three favorite FF soundtracks.

After FFX-2 came out, I honestly thought the FFVIII haters would kind of wane. I suppose it has a little but I'm still surprised how many people hate it. To each their own I guess though. I personally loved it. Next to FFX and FFVI, I think FFVIII is the game I've put the most hours on.

I'm pretty much in agreeance with Ouch! on this subject. The first disk or so was brilliant, then the plot and character development just slipped majorly.

The soundtrack, despite what some people think, is pretty good (save a few tracks). It's defenately one of the best in terms of the extra arranged / piano /orchestrated (live) versions, IMO.

P.S. I have yet to play FF12 (releases 28th Feb here), so I can't compare it's story to that.

no FF or FF character sucks and deserves hate. but people just like to complain about things and overexaggurate them and justify them with hate that the game doesn't deserve.

Actually, I can pretty much confirm that the character development in FF8 sucked big time.

The character development might not have been great (save Squall), but the character's personalities were the best yet and are still the best, in my opinion.

Well i didnt finish XII up yet...i stopped playing around 90 hours to start my side project of playing VII, VIII and IX again...its just the old ones have totally sucked me in like FFs used too.

Im not one to care about IGN or other game site ratings but VIII scored pretty good, that has to account for something.

I dunno...i think the characters are pretty good, not the best but pretty good. The game just gets too much negative attention from people when there is just nothing that truely stands out as bad in it, its a love story, i think it does a love story just fine.

so some FF8 haters have high standards.

just because something is comparitively bad to something else, doesn't mean its not good.

i loved the personalities. some people could say they are forced but oh well.

The characters develop just like any other rpg...theres nothing that is stand out significant different about the plot or characters of one game to the next. People that throw around the idea of "forced plot" imho are just trying to find a way to look more intelligent than someone else, thats just how i percieve it.

The game starts off like any other game...just getting to know who is who and whats what, there is no drastic different between this game and another rpgs characters. And like all other rpgs it gets more and more serious as it goes on.

I just find it funny when people use a term like "forced plot".

People are going to love or hate whatever they like. I can understand disliking something in comparison to something else: e.g. FFVIII called anything but Final Fantasy would've still been a good game and likely wouldn't have upset so many people. I loved the game (disclaimer there, heh) but it does seem like they thought "omg we forgot this was FF quick change the headmaster's name to Cid and throw in chocobos".

Personally I get in a huff when people gush about SO3. If you played and liked SO2, SO3 should irk you on a spiritual level. But that's a discusson for a different forum :p

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People are going to love or hate whatever they like. I can understand disliking something in comparison to something else: e.g. FFVIII called anything but Final Fantasy would've still been a good game and likely wouldn't have upset so many people. I loved the game (disclaimer there, heh) but it does seem like they thought "omg we forgot this was FF quick change the headmaster's name to Cid and throw in chocobos".

Personally I get in a huff when people gush about SO3. If you played and liked SO2, SO3 should irk you on a spiritual level. But that's a discusson for a different forum :p

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Heh its funny you say that cuz thats the same feeling i get with FF XII, it doesnt feel like FF at all to me.

But VIII does, of course at the time it didnt...thats why i played through it back in 99 and just moved on, didnt do anything special in it. And now its been years and after seeing XII, VIII feels like a completely new final fantasy to me. Which, i think the only major difference back in the day was the junction and draw system, without that...its final fantasy all the way.

Either way, the game is a blast...loving the hell out of it unlike my first play through.

what i don't get is why people defend FF12 so much despite its flaws. It is far more untraditional than FF8. There was no inns, few gils, different battle systems, bad character personalities. Everything is different except a few songs yet people defend it more than anything.

also, gamespot gave ff8 a higher score than 12. I fell asleep playing 12. 8 was funny, fun, and interesting. It had great potential but a few plot twists made it less great. Still, i love the game so i don't care what others hate about it.

The reason I called the people here pathetic is because i'm finding that alot more people who hate FFVIII are trolling here versus the people who actually enjoy the game.

Example: http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=100064

"corncracker" in this thread has contributed NOTHING to the thread except his completely uneccesary posts and the annoying signature that has to enforce his thoughts about FF8.

i think this game gets praised more then it deserves. i dont hate the game but i got everything in the game my first run through beat omega weapon and now i dont see a reason to ever play it agian nor do i think i ever will. where as other final fantasies ive replayed numerous times.

the junction system - the problem with this was you had a choice to keep your characters strong or wekaen them and hit the enemy with spells. because i wanted to keep my characters strong i didnt even get to cast every spell. plus drawing from enemies could take hours to get 100 of every spell they ahd with every character.

the world map - kinda boreing but then again only world maps i really liked were FFIV and FFIX, FFVI world of balance was good too. i like how you can see the trains in FFVIII though.

summons - i dindt mind the long summon time btu some of the summons were kinda dumb it was hit and miss really.

characters - squall was cool irvine was cool except for the perv thing. the rest kinda boreing and dumb to me.

story - didnt make much sense.

but none the less i did like this game and do not think it deserves to be called the worst FF but in no way would i consider it the best FF.

and one reason this game recieves so much hate is because fans of this game tend to compare ti to others and say VIII is better then it (from what ive noticed) and that angers people who love the game your mocking but then again otherr FF fans do the same but ive noticed it mroe with VIII and VII then any other.

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The reason I called the people here pathetic is because i'm finding that alot more people who hate FFVIII are trolling here versus the people who actually enjoy the game.

Example: http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=100064

"corncracker" in this thread has contributed NOTHING to the thread except his completely uneccesary posts and the annoying signature that has to enforce his thoughts about FF8.

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I rather enjoy corncracker's infamous hatred of FFVIII :bigsmile:

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The reason I called the people here pathetic is because i'm finding that alot more people who hate FFVIII are trolling here versus the people who actually enjoy the game.

Example: http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=100064

"corncracker" in this thread has contributed NOTHING to the thread except his completely uneccesary posts and the annoying signature that has to enforce his thoughts about FF8.

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You do realize what a joke is right? It is something not meant to be taken seriously. If you really want me to contribute something to that thread and thouroughly explain my reasoning I'll be more than happy to.

Until then I will continue to leave my meaningless posts of FF VIII sucks and enjoy doing so. Just remember that pointing that out is just as meaningless as me making that post in the first place.

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The reason I called the people here pathetic is because i'm finding that alot more people who hate FFVIII are trolling here versus the people who actually enjoy the game.

Example: http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=100064

"corncracker" in this thread has contributed NOTHING to the thread except his completely uneccesary posts and the annoying signature that has to enforce his thoughts about FF8.

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You do realize what a joke is right? It is something not meant to be taken seriously. If you really want me to contribute something to that thread and thouroughly explain my reasoning I'll be more than happy to.

Until then I will continue to leave my meaningless posts of FF VIII sucks and enjoy doing so. Just remember that pointing that out is just as meaningless as me making that post in the first place.

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I think they all do. They're video games...if you want an epic plot, go read Lord of the Rings ;D

Although FF8 wasn't my favourite, I still love the game to bits. The only problem with my version is that I don't have the last disc... so I've never actually finished the game. Heh.

I quite liked the music, especially Liberi Fatali (or whatever it was called), but I don't think it was the best in the series. But at least the graphics were good. Very good indeed.
I think the love story was a bit forced too, and the plot was a little annoying, but in any case, the game was fun and that's all that matters.:D

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i think this game gets praised more then it deserves.

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I think they all do. They're video games...if you want an epic plot, go read Lord of the Rings ;D

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I think games can reach and sometimes surpass books in many ways :(. I don't think that just because they're video games they should automatically be seen as less important than another medium.

FFVIII is pretty much the worst FF, aside from Mystic quest, and I'm not so sure it should count.

Note I did not declare that I hate it, merely that it is the worst. I consider it a waste of potential.

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I think games can reach and sometimes surpass books in many ways :(. I don't think that just because they're video games they should automatically be seen as less important than another medium.

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Now, now, I didn't say that. I'm on this forum, right? I PLAY video games. I'm just of the opinion that video games should not be movies, which is my main problem with FFX, for example. FFVIII was entertaining based on being able to play it, not because it had some deep, thought-provoking story line. The whole point of video games, in my opinion, is to have some fun rather than have to worry about wrapping your head around intricate political subterfuge or existentialist journey.

Massive tl;dr post coming. You’ve been warned.

FFVIII isn’t a horrible RPG. Swords and Serpents: now THAT’S a horrible RPG. Seriously, what a crap game. I was like walking around in some dungeon and all this stuff was happening…I don’t know, it was crap. Even recent games like .hack//INFECTION are much worse than FFVIII. But ultimately, there is some stupid, stupid :skull::skull::skull::skull: in FFVIII that prevents it from being anything that could ever be considered a ‘great RPG’. Long ass summary ensues:

Graphics: No real complaints here. The graphics in this game are probably its main asset. Sure, a few of the character designs are a little derivative but artistically everything else looks great. This game probably has the best environments in the series, besides FFX.

Music: A few great tracks surrounded by a lot of crap. Actually, the decent-to-crap ratio is pretty even for this game; it’s just that the crap tracks are the ones you’ll be forced to listen to over and over again. Tracks like “Balamb Garden” and “Blue Fields” will drive you insane by the end of the game due to their shear monotony. God knows how Nobuo came up with some of these abominable tracks. He must have been having an off day.

Battle System: Urgh, what where they thinking. Everything about it is flawed in one way or another. The Junctioning system is a great idea but its execution was lacking to say the least. Allowing players to build their characters any way they want is a fine idea but ultimately this results in a host of characters that are statistically identical since there is no advantage is giving characters a specific role. Characters maintain a degree of individuality due to the frequency of limit breaks in this game, however this becomes a problem within itself: limit breaks are too powerful for their level of accessibility. This leaves players using limit breaks as their primary (and sometimes only) form of attack, with everything else becoming redundant. Even GFs, with their ludicrously long attack animations, become a secondary form of attack pretty quickly. Then of course there is the fact that you can make your characters ludicrously powerful very early on in the game due by using Magic Refineries, allowing you to finish off most bosses with two or three Renzokukens. Seriously, I don’t think there is a more broken battle system in the series.

Gameplay: Actual gameplay isn’t so bad, in that there are some pretty entertaining missions and mini games throughout. The boss battles, while easy for aforementioned reasons, are generally pretty fun. There’s nothing really outstanding until you get to the bosses on Disk 4, but nothing horrible. My only real grip with the gameplay is that you spend far too much time on the world map. This wouldn’t be a problem if it wasn’t for A: the music being awful and B: the lethargic rate in which characters and vehicles move. Seriously, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a slower air-based vehicle in an RPG ever. That isn’t even to mention the movement of the Garden, which makes the search for the White SeeD ship seem like hours. The White Ship can eat me.

Story: The Story itself, while obviously completely ludicrous, isn’t all that terrible when it comes down to it. At times, it can even be quite clever in the way it connects characters and events to each other. However, the story is ruined by its horrible execution. Plots twists like the orphanage scene are thrown at the player in such an awful manner (everyone just kind of ‘remembers’) that I literally let out a moan while playing disk 2. And then there’s their attempt to justify it. It’s bad enough that they just sort of throw that plot point at you out of nowhere but then the explanation they give as to why no one realized any of it sooner is ‘we all forgot because of the GFs lol”. Seriously, there is like one line in a database somewhere that ‘kind-of-sort-of’ indicates that GFs might be linked to long-term memory loss before that scene. Talk about your Deus-Ex-Machina plot devices.

In addition, the ‘love’ aspect of the story is so poorly handled it’s laughable. Squall is almost callously indifferent to Rinoa’s existence up until the beginning of disk 3 and even considers leaving her hanging off a ledge for the greater good during the Garden fight. As soon as she goes into a coma however, he suddenly ‘can’t live without her’. Cliché as hell and an illogical way of dealing with things based on what we had already seen within the game (aforementioned cliff-hanging scene already dictates how Squall should have reacted to Rinoa becoming comatose. There was no significant character development between the cliff scene and the coma).

Finally, there is almost no plot on disk 4, when there are plot points that needed wrapping up. The most prevalent of these pertain to the character Seifer. He goes from feeding innocent girls to power-hungry sorceresses to kicking it with friends in the game’s final FMV. Continuity error much? There needed to be at least SOMETHING to indicate that Seifer was capable of that sort of drastic change before the game’s finale in Ultimecia’s castle. Also, Laguna’s relationship with Squall isn’t explored to the degree that it should have been, considering its importance to the plot. It’s the only thing that explains various scenes that we see earlier in the game such as the Moomba’s calling Squall ‘Laguna’ and why Squall calls Ellone ‘sis’ (or hell, why he’s at the orphanage to begin with). Yet despite its importance, it’s given the ‘Shadow/Relm’ treatment, which only serves to make a confused plot more confusing.

Characters: By far the weakest aspect of the game. Since FFVI, all FF games excluding FFVIII have found time to give a decent amount time to developing all of its player characters. FFVI, FFIX and FFX filled out the vast majority of its cast by the end of the game. Even FFVII, which pretty much becomes all about Cloud after disk one, still has entire portions of the first disk devoted to each character.

In FFVIII, however, only three player characters at the very most are developed at the level they should have been: Squall, Laguna and Rinoa. Let’s ignore for a minute that out of these three characters, only Laguna is the least bit likable (since that borders on the realm of personal taste) and that between Squall/Rinoa that half the plot is sacrificed for isn’t any good anyway (since I’ve already mentioned that) to look at the other characters:

Quistis: Despite being a prominent female character in the very beginning of the game, she is quickly fazed out of the plot in favor of Rinoa. It was clear that Square initially intended there to be a love triangle between her, Rinoa and Squall yet it was pretty much completely ditched after the ballroom scene. Quistis goes from being seemingly infatuated by Squall, to having virtually no contact with him for the rest of the game (and fading from the plot almost entirely). And how do they justify this? One line of dialogue towards the end of disk 3 that basically states “Guess I wasn’t in love with you after all lol”. I really don’t get it; Square had already had practice with love triangles in the last game. There was absolutely no reason to cock it up so badly in this one.

Also, there is something to be said about female characters whose only spot of depth is in relation to their feelings for the main character.

Zell: There is some crap about him joining SeeD because of his grandfather at some point. That’s about as complex as this character gets.

Irvine: He gets stage fright. That’s a character trait, not character development. The writers need to learn the difference.

Selphie: Yeah, ok: she obviously wasn’t designed to be some cuts-herself-at-night schizophrenic or anything so much as she is just there for comic relief. Even so, the developers were clearly building up a relationship between her and Irvine towards the beginning of the game, which isn’t mentioned again after that one scene on the train. Would it have killed Square develop a relationship that wasn’t SquallxRinoa? Seemingly so, since every other relationship in the game is cast under the rug in favor of the main ship. Blarg.

Seifer: Probably my favorite character in the game and definitely the only decent antagonist, however the fact that they completely gloss over his moment of epiphany/redemption towards the end is really retarded. Already mentioned all that though, so I’ll move on.

Ultimecia: …is, who exactly? Seriously, she’s just some random chick who show’s up in the end. She has no clear motivation for her actions at all. I mean really, FF Villains have at least had motivations since frigging FFIII! She makes for a neat boss fight but that’s about it.

So yeah, that about wraps it up. The only other thing I can think of is that for a Final Fantasy game, it’s pretty void of the series’ signature icons. I mean, you can go through the entire game without seeing a damn Chocobo. About the only thing that indicates that this is a Final Fantasy game is the appearance of Cid, and a few of the GFs (some of which have been put into other non-FF Square games anyway).

Ultimately, FFVIII is not an awful game. It’s moderately fun to play and the graphics are better than the vast majority of game from the same era. The problem is, the game falls flat in every other category, which easily puts it at the very bottom of the series.

I don't think Irvine had 'stage fright' more than he had hesitation to (SPOILER) you know, kill off his own mother, and everything. The rest of that sounds pretty good though.

The reason they (he) gave was stage fright. I don't remember that scene ever being brought up again, even if it is logical to assume that the nature of Sorceress Edea would have been a factor.

Of the few things I remember from FFVIII, I do recall him saying that he's the only person who remembered that Edea was their Matron (since Galbadia doesn't use GFs, if I recall). He just didn't want to reveal that to the rest of them. I don't remember if he explicitly tells them that once they undergo the whole orphanage thing, but it's pretty obvious besides. At the very least, I've always seen 'stage fright' as an excuse not to tell them that information.

Indeed, they do state within the game that Irvine remembered who Edea was. However the game gives no indication that Irvine was using stage-fright as a cover. There are no obvious signs that he was lying and he never revises his reasoning after the revelation later in the game. The fact that he then actually ends up firing upon the sorceress despite her true nature makes me wonder whether the scenario for the Sorceress assassination was written before the whole faulty memory jazz had been finalized.

Either way, all this kind of stems back to the whole 'horrible execution' I was talking about earlier in my post.

The only reason I like Irvine at all is because he was willing to shoot Edea right in the face despite it all. I considered that another reason to like the game myself :jokey:.

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The only reason I like Irvine at all is because he was willing to shoot Edea right in the face despite it all. I considered that another reason to like the game myself :jokey:.

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I found it a horrible plot hole, while very amusing at the same time.
Irvine was one of the only characters I actually did like, the other being Zell.

A'yo, what the hell are you guys talkin' about?! Let's stick to the subject! Now, from the time I've played FF8, I've known a lot of people hatin' on it. Most of which are some of my relatives. Hell, my older brother would practically make fun of me liking the game. I was 14 at the time and I had A crush on Rinoa. My brother would annoy the hell out of me about that. And when I would ask my relatives to be serious and tell me the real reason they didn't like the game, they would go on for hours explaining. Hell, they would even sit down with me, replay the game, and point out it's flaws as if they were trying to convert me to FF7!!! Some of there opinions about FF8 were correct I'm not going to lie to you there. But it's still not a reason to deny it's one of THE BEST FF's!!! Hell, we all agreed that FFX-2, FF9, and FF12 are the three worst. So there! They are more haters than lovers to FF8 but the haters and lovers all share common ground. We all hate FFX-2, FF9, and FF12. And that's all that matters. UNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

FF IX is far superior to VIII in every aspect. Even X-2 is in most, though I still hate it. And XII is fun.

Where did you come up with that common consensus?

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FF IX is far superior to VIII in every aspect. Even X-2 is in most, though I still hate it. And XII is fun.

Where did you come up with that common consensus?

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Read the whole entire list of responses to the thread. Stop wasting your energy here trying to promote hate among FF8.

No patience.... People don't have patience in a 4 disc game...

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FF IX is far superior to VIII in every aspect. Even X-2 is in most, though I still hate it. And XII is fun.

Where did you come up with that common consensus?

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Read the whole entire list of responses to the thread. Stop wasting your energy here trying to promote hate among FF8.

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I have my friend. I was asking him were this consensus that those three games are worse came from. As I have noticed that statement is horribly wrong to assume in general. So the post you quoted was not to spread hate, but to find out where he got that Consensus from.

And you do realize that you responding to my posts is most amusing to me, which more than makes up for the energy I spent typing this.

And besides, you don't see me chasing out the FF IX haters in teh FF IX forum, because to only say good things about a game gets boring. Without the Haters like me, The FF VIII forum would be boring, as the FF IX forum would get boring without the FF IX haters.

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It has nothing to do with patience. I've beaten the game multiple times, and I still think it's one of the worst in the series. That being said, that doesn't mean it's a bad game. As was said, had this been made and given a name other than FFVIII and removed the minor relations to other Final Fantasy titles, I'd probably complain about it a lot less.

But you know what? It is titled Final Fantasy VIII, so I will use the other games as a base of comparison. And you know what? Final Fantasy VIII was the first Final Fantasy I played, so nobody can pull that "You're just sour because you like more than FFVIII!" crap. I played FFVIII, enjoyed it, played others, and realized there's nothing too terribly special about the game.

There are many, many worse games out there. However, I believe it fails to live up to the standards Square sets for its product by naming it Final Fantasy.

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I think they all do. They're video games...if you want an epic plot, go read Lord of the Rings ;D

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I think games can reach and sometimes surpass books in many ways :(. I don't think that just because they're video games they should automatically be seen as less important than another medium.

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Indeed, they do state within the game that Irvine remembered who Edea was. However the game gives no indication that Irvine was using stage-fright as a cover. There are no obvious signs that he was lying and he never revises his reasoning after the revelation later in the game. The fact that he then actually ends up firing upon the sorceress despite her true nature makes me wonder whether the scenario for the Sorceress assassination was written before the whole faulty memory jazz had been finalized.

Either way, all this kind of stems back to the whole 'horrible execution' I was talking about earlier in my post.

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He didn't say anything because he knew everyone else would think he was crazy, which is why he waited until the disk 2 scene to mention it.

The 'stage-fright' thing isn't brought up again at all after its appearance on disk 1.

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Indeed, they do state within the game that Irvine remembered who Edea was. However the game gives no indication that Irvine was using stage-fright as a cover. There are no obvious signs that he was lying and he never revises his reasoning after the revelation later in the game. The fact that he then actually ends up firing upon the sorceress despite her true nature makes me wonder whether the scenario for the Sorceress assassination was written before the whole faulty memory jazz had been finalized.

Either way, all this kind of stems back to the whole 'horrible execution' I was talking about earlier in my post.

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He didn't say anything because he knew everyone else would think he was crazy, which is why he waited until the disk 2 scene to mention it.

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Oh that is the LAMEST EXCUSE EVER! They STILL thought he was 'crazy' when he did tell them... This very scene mentioned is exactly one of the major points of the game where you throw up your hands, let the controller fall and think... Lemme look at the cover of this game... Is this REALLY a FINAL FANTASY game? This can't be right!
This is just pathetic... This is worst than Grant Morrison last stint as the writer for X-Men... My God, they "forgot"? Odine could explain Time Compression, but it's not important?

This was the most terrible, HORRIBLE execution of fantasy possibly EVER! I mean, the things that you just can't deny as the letters were scrolling across the screen, made your head go... "WHAT THE FUG!???! Do the writers really think I'm buying this?"

Y'know what? I'm gonna stop now... I'm... I'm... Just... Nah, I'm gonna stop... Face it kids, it just... Well, it didn't just fall short, it fell through the floor! There are so many turns that could've turned up just a hella notch more...

I welcome change and experimentation. Cool innovative systems like the junction system, sphere grids, and materia are what keep me interested in the series. If I want traditional Final Fantasy then I'll play the oldies. It's as simple as that.

It comes because not so many understand FF VIII's complex storyline. Understand who Ultimecia is and all that complex stuff is easier to understand if people actually put effort to think about it. Also things why somebody not wanted shoot Edea and not explaining it not mean it is not thinked why already because it was indeed revealed later in plot. People who see it only Rinoa's love story didn't understand even half from plot maybe.

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It comes because not so many understand FF VIII's complex storyline. Understand who Ultimecia is and all that complex stuff is easier to understand if people actually put effort to think about it. Also things why somebody not wanted shoot Edea and not explaining it not mean it is not thinked why already because it was indeed revealed later in plot. People who see it only Rinoa's love story didn't understand even half from plot maybe.

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A'yo, in some cases that's not true. But in most cases it is. I think FF8 was made to challenge the players thought of the video game itself. Most people I know don't play video games to think deeper within the storyline. That's why the people I know would rather play Madden than any FF. And I think that's a valid opinion to a certain exstent. Because, they are people who are drawn to video games to challenge their thinking ability a still hates this game. Now, I dobt anyone would admit to hating this game because it makes their brain hurt but we know what'sup. :cool:

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Actually, I can pretty much confirm that the character development in FF8 sucked big time.

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I don’t agree! squall has probably had the biggest character development than any other character in the Final Fantasy series. He starts out as a lone wolf who hides his feelings inside because he was let down in his childhood that’s why he’s anti social, he doesn’t want to get to know anyone too well because he thinks they will let him down. But he has his goal to be the best at what he does, that’s being a SeeD! He gets to know the other characters not very well because of the reason i have just said but once Rinoa is out cold he realises how much he likes her and even before that their are glimpses of their relationship like the dance and the way the clash strongly on certain points. He then falls in love with her and comes out of his shell thinking of her instead of is duty as a SeeD. Now can anyone give me a better character development then that?

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I liked this story device, It isn't mentioned at all in FFVII (SPOILER)that cloud had a Jenova Cell and that was causing the problem until after it's no longer a threat to anyone. I can't remember anyone complaining.

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In addition, the ‘love’ aspect of the story is so poorly handled it’s laughable. Squall is almost callously indifferent to Rinoa’s existence up until the beginning of disk 3 and even considers leaving her hanging off a ledge for the greater good during the Garden fight. As soon as she goes into a coma however, he suddenly ‘can’t live without her’. Cliché as hell and an illogical way of dealing with things based on what we had already seen within the game (aforementioned cliff-hanging scene already dictates how Squall should have reacted to Rinoa becoming comatose. There was no significant character development between the cliff scene and the coma).

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I think as somone who has been an obsessive with romance since primary school I deserve a say here?

He isn't "Callously Indiferent to her" he: "Isn't sure, Likes her, loves her" in that order - and that's disk one. He has had a bad life in that respect. He didn't know his family, the first person he really trust enough to love left him (Though not entirly her fault) and before you all start screaming "Emo!" just try and put you're self in that situation, he sees Rinoa at the dance and despite his reluctance (Because he can't dance) you can see the chemstry even then. He sees her again later and for a while he seams confused as how he should be feeling because of his background, However he does care - you can see that when she is attacked at the parade he is very relaxing towards her. That was my first indication.

The cliff scene was a missconception - he is unable to help her at that point, Zell and co already tried and there was no way to get to her at that stage, As soon as he gets a way he goes straight towards her.

As mentioned something was already there before the coma the reason it becomes more aparant is because he obviously is guilty for not doing something sooner (Again his background is partly to blame) and he hopes her to wake up for this and because he loves her and he has (In a sense) from the start.

Although this isn't my Favourite FF it is my 2nd and scores very high in story, game play, (The Draw system is EASY did it really give you that much problems?!) and Squall and Rinoa is my favourite match up of any FF game.

I can also relate to Squall because - Although I havent had it as bad as he has, I have had people leave me and have found it dificult to trust people and make friends with people, and it wasn't until somone made friends with me (Sadly that all she is...at the moment) I was quite to my self, that is why I stand by my views that Squall was handled extremly realistically.

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Actually, I can pretty much confirm that the character development in FF8 sucked big time.

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I don’t agree! squall has probably had the biggest character development than any other character in the Final Fantasy series.

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QFT, whether you liked the guy or not, Squall was defionitely the most looked into character of all the the Final Fantasies.

I think FF8 is a controversial game, so it's bound to create some hateful remarks. In general i think the love for the game defionitely outbalences the more negitive feelings people have for it. I think a neutral person would aknowledge that this really is an extraordinary game for many of it's attributes.

Personally i loved the game, and don't have anything bad to say about it.

if you think about it.....X-2 receives way more hate so does X. So there's really no point in arguing with these people about how VIII receives too much hate. I mean, some people love this game and some people hate it. Leave them to their own opinions. The game sold well and SE got their money. The end.

I wouldn't go as far as to say I hate this game. I dislike it very much. This is primarily due to the forced relationship between Squall and Rinoa and because of Quistis's like non-existance after Rinoa appears. So although I don't hate it I dislike it alot and is probably in my bottom three favourite FF's.

Have you read my post ff freak?

Yes. I did. I still think that the love story is forced and you can't change my views on that. Just like I can't change your views that is isn't forced.

Fair enough then. I guess you have to be there.

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Fair enough then. I guess you have to be there.

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Yes. I did. I still think that the love story is forced and you can't change my views on that. Just like I can't change your views that is isn't forced.

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this is what i said a few posts ago

I don’t agree! squall has probably had the biggest character development than any other character in the Final Fantasy series. He starts out as a lone wolf who hides his feelings inside because he was let down in his childhood that’s why he’s anti social, he doesn’t want to get to know anyone too well because he thinks they will let him down. But he has his goal to be the best at what he does, that’s being a SeeD! He gets to know the other characters not very well because of the reason i have just said but once Rinoa is out cold he realises how much he likes her and even before that their are glimpses of their relationship like the dance and the way the clash strongly on certain points. He then falls in love with her and comes out of his shell thinking of her instead of is duty as a SeeD. Now can anyone give me a better character development then that?

i dont think the love story was forced Squall always liked her he just didnt like to show it.

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Yes. I did. I still think that the love story is forced and you can't change my views on that. Just like I can't change your views that is isn't forced.

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this is what i said a few posts ago

I don’t agree! squall has probably had the biggest character development than any other character in the Final Fantasy series. He starts out as a lone wolf who hides his feelings inside because he was let down in his childhood that’s why he’s anti social, he doesn’t want to get to know anyone too well because he thinks they will let him down. But he has his goal to be the best at what he does, that’s being a SeeD! He gets to know the other characters not very well because of the reason i have just said but once Rinoa is out cold he realises how much he likes her and even before that their are glimpses of their relationship like the dance and the way the clash strongly on certain points. He then falls in love with her and comes out of his shell thinking of her instead of is duty as a SeeD. Now can anyone give me a better character development then that?

i dont think the love story was forced Squall always liked her he just didnt like to show it.

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You actually read what I said to MJN SEIFER didn't you? About me not changing my views?

FF freak, I understand your points on keeping your views - as I am the same with mine.

In answer to you're previous question, I mean having have had similar expereirnces.

The game is technically like 3 days long and they fell in love.

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I have to say im not big on level scaling...thats my biggest gripe, but aside from that this game is solid final fantasy.

The junction system is really cool once you figure it all out and the draw system is pretty cool for a novelty idea, but i wouldnt want too see that really all that much again...but it works for this game and works quite well.

Music is superb in all aspects, classic FF music in my eyes.

The story i think is good, alot better than XII but of course not the best in the series by any means, i just think its interesting...i like love stories too btw ;)

I dunno...i just think alot of people hate on this game way too much, i can understand hating the junction system but its really not that much of a travesty, its pretty good when you figure it all out.

Only other major downfall is having to watch summons over and over...course im not a summoner kind of guy unless i need it, so that doesnt effect me too much.

All in all, i think VIII is solid...its ashame it gets thrashed so much.

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People hate FF vIII because of a forced plot and horrible characters. For example, Irvine knew exactly who edea was from the start. However, after squall gives him a bit of confidence, he has no quams whatsoever about putting a bullet through his surrogate mothers skull.

Also, the drawing system is annoying as hell.
Plus, Squall sucks. He was singly the worst aspect.,

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That's not true Irvine din't know who Edea was from the start he hasn't seen her for at least 10 years and her appearance changed dramatically and also she was posessed by Ultimecia at the time so she acted differently as well. Irvine recognized the others excluding Rinoa because of their faces and most of their personalities stayed the same for the most part.You can't elaborate on your opinion on why Squall sucks and why he was the worst aspect!? Frivolty is all that is.

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People hate FF vIII because of a forced plot and horrible characters. For example, Irvine knew exactly who edea was from the start. However, after squall gives him a bit of confidence, he has no quams whatsoever about putting a bullet through his surrogate mothers skull.

Also, the drawing system is annoying as hell.
Plus, Squall sucks. He was singly the worst aspect.,

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That's not true Irvine din't know who Edea was from the start he hasn't seen her for at least 10 years and her appearance changed dramatically and also she was posessed by Ultimecia at the time so she acted differently as well. Irvine recognized the others excluding Rinoa because of their faces and most of their personalities stayed the same for the most part.You can't elaborate on your opinion on why Squall sucks and why he was the worst aspect!? Frivolty is all that is.

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I don't recall the game ever mentioning anything like that about Edea, or mentioning Irvine didn't recognize her, though It's been a while since I've played, so I can conceed on that point.

Squall however, is a sucky character. He is a complete loner, rude, acts extremely uncaring. You continuosly here him whining in his own mind, which grated on my nerves. He suddenly turned a 180 for Rinoa. He's paranoid to an extreme of others thoughts. Please, tell me what point I'm wrong on.

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no FF or FF character sucks and deserves hate. but people just like to complain about things and overexaggurate them and justify them with hate that the game doesn't deserve.

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...Seifer does...

I like this game, but I don't love it. It was my 2nd FF that I beat. I thought the music was okay, junctioning was okay, but the story was kinda iffy. 7/10.

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Yes. I did. I still think that the love story is forced and you can't change my views on that. Just like I can't change your views that is isn't forced.

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this is what i said a few posts ago

I don’t agree! squall has probably had the biggest character development than any other character in the Final Fantasy series. He starts out as a lone wolf who hides his feelings inside because he was let down in his childhood that’s why he’s anti social, he doesn’t want to get to know anyone too well because he thinks they will let him down. But he has his goal to be the best at what he does, that’s being a SeeD! He gets to know the other characters not very well because of the reason i have just said but once Rinoa is out cold he realises how much he likes her and even before that their are glimpses of their relationship like the dance and the way the clash strongly on certain points. He then falls in love with her and comes out of his shell thinking of her instead of is duty as a SeeD. Now can anyone give me a better character development then that?

i dont think the love story was forced Squall always liked her he just didnt like to show it.

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You actually read what I said to MJN SEIFER didn't you? About me not changing my views?

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FF freak, I understand your points on keeping your views - as I am the same with mine.

In answer to you're previous question, I mean having have had similar expereirnces.

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i think you should both play the game from the beginning because you really dont get the games story.

Here.

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i think you should both play the game from the beginning because you really dont get the games story.

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I don't need to. The games story is simple. Some freaky loner suddenly falls in love in a couple of days and then some wacko sorceresss appears from the future and says some crap about time compression that nobody really understands. Heck I doubt if Square actually know what time compression is.

Greiver and Griever. Who is Greiver. ;)

Story is obvious but yet hard to understand I see. Rinoa talk excatly what gonna happen too but changes her future with fighting against other self from future.

You know what? It probably does

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There is no real proof of how long any FF lasts unless directly stated.

Even so you could say that about many films and games. Still real.

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think you should both play the game from the beginning because you really dont get the games story.

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I feel I understand it fine, Are there any paticular parts you don't think I get?

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Heck I doubt if Square actually know what time compression is.

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Sure they do, it's their game :p And if you folow like I do time compression is pretty simple to understand.

Oh this is just Pathetic... This game just DIDN'T live up to the Final Fantasy "standards" and that's that...

You fan-boys are just trying to defend it and save what little grace it had... Believe me... I think that FFVIII COULD, not is, but COULD have been soooo great if they had just handled it's execution better other than "Here's a bunch of shiny FMVs" and just throw everything in your lap/face... Actually that's how it went for me... They threw a buncha bull:skull::skull::skull::skull: in my face and I dropped the controller in my lap...

Seriously... I honestly believe that so-called "New Generation" Final Fantasy Players only defend this game because just like "Final Fantasy the Spirits Within" it didn't even seem to be anything related to a Final Fantasy Game. It was just a showcase of great CG graphics that really deserved to be nothing more than an extremely long Screensaver. It's one thing to be "innovative" and "new" and "creative" but you take away what your fan-base that brought you there away, it alienates them and we all lose in the long run... Look at FFVIII,FFIX, and FFX-2...

If it ain't broke don't try to break it then fix it... I'm currently playing FFXII with a friend and the only thing that I'm getting used to is the new-aged what I call "Lazy-Jetson's Generations" Gambit System. I mean, my god... did that Info-mercial get into every kid's head... Y'know the one I'm talkin' 'bout kids...

"JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT!" Yeah, but this ain't the forum for me to gripe about FFXII..

Bottom line, face it. I can admit to the horrible translations in Final Fantasy Tactics, I can even laugh at "Spoony Bard" of FFIV, hell there are blatant quirks in "Save Shadow/Relm" quests of FFVI... and I love the HELL outta these games/stories... But you FFVIII fanboys/girls have gotta accept and admit FFVIII's weaknesses and it's flaws before you go trying to defend it with it's strengths...

When I see you do that... It's almost as bad as a Rinoa is Ultimecia Theory debate... LOL

Well, that's all I gotta say... And hey, I'm only speaking my mind... about the game... Among other things... See ya around Smacky...;)

theirs no way you can say FFIX is better then 8 its a game for 8 year olds the story and everything is predictable and the love story is the stupidest in the series. 8 is a great game and apart from 7 it probably has the most fans.

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theirs no way you can say FFIX is better then 8 its a game for 8 year olds the story and everything is predictable and the love story is the stupidest in the series. 8 is a great game and apart from 7 it probably has the most fans.

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You have just won the "Most offesnive post ever". Ok, you don't like FFIX and I do. Fair enough that's not the problem, Each to an own and all that.

But ageist coments and dumbing down of children is not on!

ha ha i liked that game too but i just cant take it seriously its a fun game but compared to 7 and 8 it seems like the first Final Fantasy you should play its by far the easiest too.

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i think you should both play the game from the beginning because you really dont get the games story.

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I don't need to. The games story is simple. Some freaky loner suddenly falls in love in a couple of days and then some wacko sorceresss appears from the future and says some crap about time compression that nobody really understands. Heck I doubt if Square actually know what time compression is.

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:eep: if you havent played it or do not want to play it then you have no right to criticize it :eep:

you are really arrogant and ignorant.if ignorance is bliss then you the happiest person i've ever met.play the game and beat it, then you can bitch about it.

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i think you should both play the game from the beginning because you really dont get the games story.

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I don't need to. The games story is simple. Some freaky loner suddenly falls in love in a couple of days and then some wacko sorceresss appears from the future and says some crap about time compression that nobody really understands. Heck I doubt if Square actually know what time compression is.

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:eep: if you havent played it or do not want to play it then you have no right to criticize it :eep:

you are really arrogant and ignorant.if ignorance is bliss then you the happiest person i've ever met.play the game and beat it, then you can bitch about it.

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I already have played and beat this game. So um yes I do have the right to criticize it if I want too. Also don't call me ignorant. The arrogant part well maybe a little but still I've played the game not my favourite FF ever, thought the love story was forced. That's my opinion which I believe I'm entitled to.

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i think you should both play the game from the beginning because you really dont get the games story.

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I don't need to. The games story is simple. Some freaky loner suddenly falls in love in a couple of days and then some wacko sorceresss appears from the future and says some crap about time compression that nobody really understands. Heck I doubt if Square actually know what time compression is.

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:eep: if you havent played it or do not want to play it then you have no right to criticize it :eep:

you are really arrogant and ignorant.if ignorance is bliss then you the happiest person i've ever met.play the game and beat it, then you can bitch about it.

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I already have played and beat this game. So um yes I do have the right to criticize it if I want too. Also don't call me ignorant. The arrogant part well maybe a little but still I've played the game not my favourite FF ever, thought the love story was forced. That's my opinion which I believe I'm entitled to.

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well if you've played the game and beaten it then yeh that gives you the right to criticize it, but where do you think the story is forced?:confused: ive played it a couple times and well it never seems forced, but some freaky loner? as im sure people have said before hes had emotional trauma from when he was at the orphanage and his 'sis' leaves him.

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i think you should both play the game from the beginning because you really dont get the games story.

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I don't need to. The games story is simple. Some freaky loner suddenly falls in love in a couple of days and then some wacko sorceresss appears from the future and says some crap about time compression that nobody really understands. Heck I doubt if Square actually know what time compression is.

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:eep: if you havent played it or do not want to play it then you have no right to criticize it :eep:

you are really arrogant and ignorant.if ignorance is bliss then you the happiest person i've ever met.play the game and beat it, then you can bitch about it.

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I already have played and beat this game. So um yes I do have the right to criticize it if I want too. Also don't call me ignorant. The arrogant part well maybe a little but still I've played the game not my favourite FF ever, thought the love story was forced. That's my opinion which I believe I'm entitled to.

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well if you've played the game and beaten it then yeh that gives you the right to criticize it, but where do you think the story is forced?:confused: ive played it a couple times and well it never seems forced, but some freaky loner? as im sure people have said before hes had emotional trauma from when he was at the orphanage and his 'sis' leaves him.

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The LOVE story is forced. Squall has emotional trauma because some girl went and left him? when he was like a few years old? My best friend when I was 8 had to move country because of her parents but I'm traumatised by it.

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LOVE[/B] story is forced. Squall has emotional trauma because some girl went and left him? when he was like a few years old? My best friend when I was 8 had to move country because of her parents but I'm traumatised by it.

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evryone reacts to trauma in a different way, after all zell and the rest of them turned out fine. and it wasnt some girl it was his 'sister' and i know your best frend left you but how would you like it if your family left you for a reason that you cant understand?

but you still havent given specific places where the love scene is forced, ah forget it i really cant be bothered :D

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LOVE[/B] story is forced. Squall has emotional trauma because some girl went and left him? when he was like a few years old? My best friend when I was 8 had to move country because of her parents but I'm traumatised by it.

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evryone reacts to trauma in a different way, after all zell and the rest of them turned out fine. and it wasnt some girl it was his 'sister' and i know your best frend left you but how would you like it if your family left you for a reason that you cant understand?

but you still havent given specific places where the love scene is forced, ah forget it i really cant be bothered :D

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There aren't any specifics about where it is forced it just is. But his 'sis' isn't even his real sister. Besides, Squall probably wasn't even 5 when she left yet for like 12 years he feels betrayed by her? Get over it!

nothing i can say can change your mind can it?

whats your favorite ff?

I don't have a favourite FF. I have ones that I like more than others and no you probably can't change my mind.

probably or cant;) .

i never used to like this FF because i was younger when i played it and it bored the hell out of me.so when did you last play it? you never know you might like it this time round:cool:

Probably can't.

I last played FFVIII 4 days ago. And it's not the fact I don't like it.

everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so ill respect yours because the last time i played ff8 was...uh...i forget...oh yeah last year! :p

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theirs no way you can say FFIX is better then 8 its a game for 8 year olds the story and everything is predictable and the love story is the stupidest in the series. 8 is a great game and apart from 7 it probably has the most fans.

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ha ha i liked that game too but i just cant take it seriously its a fun game but compared to 7 and 8 it seems like the first Final Fantasy you should play its by far the easiest too.

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It wasn't that you dissed IX I found offensive. It's that you said it was a child's game and you said that because you couldn't take it seriously - which inplies children are stupid - and there not. That's what angered me.

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ha ha i liked that game too but i just cant take it seriously its a fun game but compared to 7 and 8 it seems like the first Final Fantasy you should play its by far the easiest too.

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It wasn't that you dissed IX I found offensive. It's that you said it was a child's game and you said that because you couldn't take it seriously - which inplies children are stupid - and there not. That's what angered me.

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So you're saying that IX was a stupid game, then?

I'll say this about IX, it was definitely aimed at a non-existent audience/demographic...

Now back to FFVIII... I've noticed that there are a lot of people defending that the "Love Story" wasnt' forced... That's just bull:skull::skull::skull::skull:... It was without a doubt forced.

At least in FFIX, the love story was veiled or obscure because of the logic of forbidden love of a princess and a common theif... at least Zidane saved her at his own free will and in a heroric fashion (when you least expected it).

Squall on the other hand. Just HAS to be the one that rescues Rinoa... Now tell me if THAT ain't forced... Yeah... sure it is...

IX wasn't stupid ib my opinion

FVIII S/R wasn't forced in my opinion. It is one of the least forced in my opinion.

A'yo, this crap is unbelievable. You guys are practically at each others throats! If you guys were face to face, a fight might have been started. Look poeple, we can bitch about which FF was better are worse but when it comes down to it, the only decision that matters is your own. And trust me, this will make problems like this stupid. It work in my household. But then again, human are social creatures and always looking for something to talk about. Or in this case bitch about. So, bitch on people. Bitch on.:cool:

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A'yo, this crap is unbelievable. You guys are practically at each others throats! If you guys were face to face, a fight might have been started. Look poeple, we can bitch about which FF was better are worse but when it comes down to it, the only decision that matters is your own. And trust me, this will make problems like this stupid. It work in my household. But then again, human are social creatures and always looking for something to talk about. Or in this case bitch about. So, bitch on people. Bitch on.:cool:

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well said mate, but still i bet you want to bitch about things some times;)
lol
but on the other hand i have this to say FF8 IS THE BEST FF YET ITS NOT OPINION, ITS FACT:tongue: that shoud get people bitching again hehehe

Whatever Smacky... All I'm sayin' is dis... The game fell short in some many ways as far as story and chracter delvelopment you would've been better off readin' pre-school version of a book about Rapunzel...

There's no real back story to Rapunzel except some Old Witch of a Hag who probably shoulda been on "Dateline NBC's Preadtor" put her inna tower and mentally abused the poor girl into a narsacist.

And low and behold her comes "The Prince" (there's always one in these stories) that doesn't have a back story but he's A "PRINCE" for cryin' out loud that just supposed to happen without any question...

So why doesn't any question the lame idea that "Squall HAS to be the "one" who saves Rinoa? You CAN'T tell me that didn't make any sense... AN neither did Quistis jeprodizing the mission to go apologise to Rinoa...

Oh yeah, that's makes a lotta sense considerin' that she coulda done that AFTER they killed the menace of the planet!!!

There ae so many things that happend that make you go "WTFH!!!!??!?!" And you CAN'T deny that... Even after the game it still makes no sense.... So shove that up yer craw fanboys and girls... It's the worst FF story to day... Well, there IS FFX-2... Square tried too hard to go the "Charlies Angels Y2K route and made it too girlly and thinly undertoned pervo-vision for dirty old guys...

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well said mate, but still i bet you want to bitch about things some times;)
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but on the other hand i have this to say FF8 IS THE BEST FF YET ITS NOT OPINION, ITS FACT:tongue: that shoud get people bitching again hehehe

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::slaps you:: Stop that. Even as a joke, the posting of a post just to stir up trouble is this far from trolling. Besides, people confusing the objective for the subjective pisses me the hell off, even in jest.

Rimoah- Rapunzel's story does entirely blow chunks, yes. But it avoids the major failing of trying to play itself as more than it is. FF8, meanwhile, tired to take itself too seriously. FF10-2, did not at any point try and take itself half as seriously as 8 did (and nor should it have. It was our first story of what the hell the heroes do after they save the world, after all. It needed some lighthearted frivolity).

Part of how bad you fail is how high you set your goals. If you set low goals and fall a little, it's not as bad as setting a high goal and failing a lot, if that makes any sense.

A'yo, THAT'S ENOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look, I understands you guys have somthing to get off your chest but this is crazy!!! You guys remind me of the time when I told my older brother any FF is better than Madden. Boy did I get my ass kicked that day. Anyway, no matter how much you guy continue like this, it's impossible to change each others minds. As much as I like to see a fist fight, this is the internet...PEOPLE WE DON'T HAVE FIST ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!! So, just chill out!:cool:

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well said mate, but still i bet you want to bitch about things some times;)
lol
but on the other hand i have this to say FF8 IS THE BEST FF YET ITS NOT OPINION, ITS FACT:tongue: that shoud get people bitching again hehehe

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::slaps you:: Stop that. Even as a joke, the posting of a post just to stir up trouble is this far from trolling. Besides, people confusing the objective for the subjective pisses me the hell off, even in jest.

Rimoah- Rapunzel's story does entirely blow chunks, yes. But it avoids the major failing of trying to play itself as more than it is. FF8, meanwhile, tired to take itself too seriously. FF10-2, did not at any point try and take itself half as seriously as 8 did (and nor should it have. It was our first story of what the hell the heroes do after they save the world, after all. It needed some lighthearted frivolity).

Part of how bad you fail is how high you set your goals. If you set low goals and fall a little, it's not as bad as setting a high goal and failing a lot, if that makes any sense.

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LOL i was only having a laugh:D and part of the internet IS starting arguments neither sides can win...its fun, join in but dont join in here becuase ull get every thread u star closed down hehehe

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well said mate, but still i bet you want to bitch about things some times;)
lol
but on the other hand i have this to say FF8 IS THE BEST FF YET ITS NOT OPINION, ITS FACT:tongue: that shoud get people bitching again hehehe

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::slaps you:: Stop that. Even as a joke, the posting of a post just to stir up trouble is this far from trolling. Besides, people confusing the objective for the subjective pisses me the hell off, even in jest.

Rimoah- Rapunzel's story does entirely blow chunks, yes. But it avoids the major failing of trying to play itself as more than it is. FF8, meanwhile, tired to take itself too seriously. FF10-2, did not at any point try and take itself half as seriously as 8 did (and nor should it have. It was our first story of what the hell the heroes do after they save the world, after all. It needed some lighthearted frivolity).

Part of how bad you fail is how high you set your goals. If you set low goals and fall a little, it's not as bad as setting a high goal and failing a lot, if that makes any sense.

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Aah, whatever, Smacky! Sit on it and spin! You ain't said nuttin' 'bout what point I made! The story's execution sucked ass and you know it! Quistis jeaprodizin' da mission? Squall being forced to drop everything and be da one to save Rinoa, the Oh- I -Forgot "plot-twist"... OH... COME... ON!!!! Deny it all ya want, but it's undeniably sucky! All yer doin' is bitchin' 'bout my comparison,so if yer not gonna talk 'bout nuttin, then shaddap talkin' ta me. Now runteldat!

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A'yo, THAT'S ENOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look, I understands you guys have somthing to get off your chest but this is crazy!!! You guys remind me of the time when I told my older brother any FF is better than Madden. Boy did I get my ass kicked that day. Anyway, no matter how much you guy continue like this, it's impossible to change each others minds. As much as I like to see a fist fight, this is the internet...PEOPLE WE DON'T HAVE FIST ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!! So, just chill out!:cool:

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Yeah, we don't have 'fists on the net' Smacky, but damn, but my words seem to hurt soooo much. Why is that? Oh, because truth hurts! That's why! So sit on it an spin Smacky! I ain't tryin' ta change nobody's mind! I'm just statin' what's what and for people to stop denial of all the blatant arcs (if you can call it that) that really made ya just go WTF!?!?! Because it was just plain lazy and stupid...

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well said mate, but still i bet you want to bitch about things some times;)
lol
but on the other hand i have this to say FF8 IS THE BEST FF YET ITS NOT OPINION, ITS FACT:tongue: that shoud get people bitching again hehehe

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::slaps you:: Stop that. Even as a joke, the posting of a post just to stir up trouble is this far from trolling. Besides, people confusing the objective for the subjective pisses me the hell off, even in jest.

Rimoah- Rapunzel's story does entirely blow chunks, yes. But it avoids the major failing of trying to play itself as more than it is. FF8, meanwhile, tired to take itself too seriously. FF10-2, did not at any point try and take itself half as seriously as 8 did (and nor should it have. It was our first story of what the hell the heroes do after they save the world, after all. It needed some lighthearted frivolity).

Part of how bad you fail is how high you set your goals. If you set low goals and fall a little, it's not as bad as setting a high goal and failing a lot, if that makes any sense.

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LOL i was only having a laugh:D and part of the internet IS starting arguments neither sides can win...its fun, join in but dont join in here becuase ull get every thread u star closed down hehehe

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Whadda ya think I'm doin' Smacky? I'm havin' LOADS of fun. But I also note that no one is actually acknowledging key points to my posts... But I'm havin' fun with this anyway... Wonder why dat is? Till next episode, see yaz 'round Smacky!


I mean, C'mon people it's been almost, what, a frickin' decade? And people are still crappin' on dis game... And with good reason... If you don't know why? Then yer in denial... I've seen the same points over and over and this is from new player and people that don't even LIKE/PLAY Final Fantasy! LOL

There's gotta be a reason, just like there's a reason for Rinoa is Ultimecia enthusiasts... And dat's where I think the common ground is... Fanboy/girls in denial of the bad points of story and well... others who like the Rinoa is Ultimecia idear... ROFLMAO!!!!! You're alla same!!!

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well said mate, but still i bet you want to bitch about things some times;)
lol
but on the other hand i have this to say FF8 IS THE BEST FF YET ITS NOT OPINION, ITS FACT:tongue: that shoud get people bitching again hehehe

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::slaps you:: Stop that. Even as a joke, the posting of a post just to stir up trouble is this far from trolling. Besides, people confusing the objective for the subjective pisses me the hell off, even in jest.

Rimoah- Rapunzel's story does entirely blow chunks, yes. But it avoids the major failing of trying to play itself as more than it is. FF8, meanwhile, tired to take itself too seriously. FF10-2, did not at any point try and take itself half as seriously as 8 did (and nor should it have. It was our first story of what the hell the heroes do after they save the world, after all. It needed some lighthearted frivolity).

Part of how bad you fail is how high you set your goals. If you set low goals and fall a little, it's not as bad as setting a high goal and failing a lot, if that makes any sense.

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Aah, whatever, Smacky! Sit on it and spin! You ain't said nuttin' 'bout what point I made! The story's execution sucked ass and you know it! Quistis jeaprodizin' da mission? Squall being forced to drop everything and be da one to save Rinoa, the Oh- I -Forgot "plot-twist"... OH... COME... ON!!!! Deny it all ya want, but it's undeniably sucky! All yer doin' is bitchin' 'bout my comparison,so if yer not gonna talk 'bout nuttin, then shaddap talkin' ta me. Now runteldat!

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Please, perform a rectal craniotomy, Rimmer. I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU.

Here we go...

Some one says FFVIII is good, then somone who thinks it's crap chalanges them to say why, That's ignored and then thoes who hated are forced to say why. They give a reason (e.g. They think S/R was forced) The fans dissagree and proove them wrong, The haters find ways of saying there right, and win until the fans proove them wrong.

More fans and haters join the debate and were back to square one again.


This thread may need to be watched or closed. But sadly I am not an admin - just a poster with another opinion...

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well said mate, but still i bet you want to bitch about things some times;)
lol
but on the other hand i have this to say FF8 IS THE BEST FF YET ITS NOT OPINION, ITS FACT:tongue: that shoud get people bitching again hehehe

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::slaps you:: Stop that. Even as a joke, the posting of a post just to stir up trouble is this far from trolling. Besides, people confusing the objective for the subjective pisses me the hell off, even in jest.

Rimoah- Rapunzel's story does entirely blow chunks, yes. But it avoids the major failing of trying to play itself as more than it is. FF8, meanwhile, tired to take itself too seriously. FF10-2, did not at any point try and take itself half as seriously as 8 did (and nor should it have. It was our first story of what the hell the heroes do after they save the world, after all. It needed some lighthearted frivolity).

Part of how bad you fail is how high you set your goals. If you set low goals and fall a little, it's not as bad as setting a high goal and failing a lot, if that makes any sense.

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Aah, whatever, Smacky! Sit on it and spin! You ain't said nuttin' 'bout what point I made! The story's execution sucked ass and you know it! Quistis jeaprodizin' da mission? Squall being forced to drop everything and be da one to save Rinoa, the Oh- I -Forgot "plot-twist"... OH... COME... ON!!!! Deny it all ya want, but it's undeniably sucky! All yer doin' is bitchin' 'bout my comparison,so if yer not gonna talk 'bout nuttin, then shaddap talkin' ta me. Now runteldat!

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A'yo, THAT'S ENOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look, I understands you guys have somthing to get off your chest but this is crazy!!! You guys remind me of the time when I told my older brother any FF is better than Madden. Boy did I get my ass kicked that day. Anyway, no matter how much you guy continue like this, it's impossible to change each others minds. As much as I like to see a fist fight, this is the internet...PEOPLE WE DON'T HAVE FIST ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!! So, just chill out!:cool:

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Yeah, we don't have 'fists on the net' Smacky, but damn, but my words seem to hurt soooo much. Why is that? Oh, because truth hurts! That's why! So sit on it an spin Smacky! I ain't tryin' ta change nobody's mind! I'm just statin' what's what and for people to stop denial of all the blatant arcs (if you can call it that) that really made ya just go WTF!?!?! Because it was just plain lazy and stupid...

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well said mate, but still i bet you want to bitch about things some times;)
lol
but on the other hand i have this to say FF8 IS THE BEST FF YET ITS NOT OPINION, ITS FACT:tongue: that shoud get people bitching again hehehe

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::slaps you:: Stop that. Even as a joke, the posting of a post just to stir up trouble is this far from trolling. Besides, people confusing the objective for the subjective pisses me the hell off, even in jest.

Rimoah- Rapunzel's story does entirely blow chunks, yes. But it avoids the major failing of trying to play itself as more than it is. FF8, meanwhile, tired to take itself too seriously. FF10-2, did not at any point try and take itself half as seriously as 8 did (and nor should it have. It was our first story of what the hell the heroes do after they save the world, after all. It needed some lighthearted frivolity).

Part of how bad you fail is how high you set your goals. If you set low goals and fall a little, it's not as bad as setting a high goal and failing a lot, if that makes any sense.

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LOL i was only having a laugh:D and part of the internet IS starting arguments neither sides can win...its fun, join in but dont join in here becuase ull get every thread u star closed down hehehe

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Whadda ya think I'm doin' Smacky? I'm havin' LOADS of fun. But I also note that no one is actually acknowledging key points to my posts... But I'm havin' fun with this anyway... Wonder why dat is? Till next episode, see yaz 'round Smacky!


I mean, C'mon people it's been almost, what, a frickin' decade? And people are still crappin' on dis game... And with good reason... If you don't know why? Then yer in denial... I've seen the same points over and over and this is from new player and people that don't even LIKE/PLAY Final Fantasy! LOL

There's gotta be a reason, just like there's a reason for Rinoa is Ultimecia enthusiasts... And dat's where I think the common ground is... Fanboy/girls in denial of the bad points of story and well... others who like the Rinoa is Ultimecia idear... ROFLMAO!!!!! You're alla same!!!

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A'yo, I think FF8 is one of the best FFs. As far THE BEST, they're is none. You would'nt find one FF better than the other because they all overlap each other with flaws and sucess. It's the FF way.:cool:


P.S: If anyone would like to participate in the RPG in created in the Role Play part of the site, please sign up. The name of my RPG is Darkness: The Path Towards Salvation. So, help a brother out ya' heard me! :cool:

Ahh, you don't know what yer talkin' 'bout white-boy... :eek: Yeah, I said it... :p (just kiddin')

But anyway... I never said anything about it being the best... just the worse let down in the history of FF... Well, FFX-2 kinda comes to mind for that title...

But anyway... I think I've said my peace... Here's the Final Fantasy game that DESERVES SO MUCH HATE, DEBATE, AND DISCREMINATE!

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Ahh, you don't know what yer talkin' 'bout white-boy... :eek: Yeah, I said it... :p (just kiddin')

But anyway... I never said anything about it being the best... just the worse let down in the history of FF... Well, FFX-2 kinda comes to mind for that title...

But anyway... I think I've said my peace... Here's the Final Fantasy game that DESERVES SO MUCH HATE, DEBATE, AND DISCREMINATE!

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get a life Lord whatever your talking a load of crap! but i do think the game is like marmite you either love it or you hate it i think we should leave it at that.

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Ahh, you don't know what yer talkin' 'bout white-boy... :eek: Yeah, I said it... :p (just kiddin')

But anyway... I never said anything about it being the best... just the worse let down in the history of FF... Well, FFX-2 kinda comes to mind for that title...

But anyway... I think I've said my peace... Here's the Final Fantasy game that DESERVES SO MUCH HATE, DEBATE, AND DISCREMINATE!

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get a life Lord whatever your talking a load of crap! but i do think the game is like marmite you either love it or you hate it i think we should leave it at that.

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That's right, chrisfffan, and, like Marmite, I like this game. Sure, it's not without its flaws, but hey, what game is perfect?

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well said mate, but still i bet you want to bitch about things some times;)
lol
but on the other hand i have this to say FF8 IS THE BEST FF YET ITS NOT OPINION, ITS FACT:tongue: that shoud get people bitching again hehehe

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::slaps you:: Stop that. Even as a joke, the posting of a post just to stir up trouble is this far from trolling. Besides, people confusing the objective for the subjective pisses me the hell off, even in jest.

Rimoah- Rapunzel's story does entirely blow chunks, yes. But it avoids the major failing of trying to play itself as more than it is. FF8, meanwhile, tired to take itself too seriously. FF10-2, did not at any point try and take itself half as seriously as 8 did (and nor should it have. It was our first story of what the hell the heroes do after they save the world, after all. It needed some lighthearted frivolity).

Part of how bad you fail is how high you set your goals. If you set low goals and fall a little, it's not as bad as setting a high goal and failing a lot, if that makes any sense.

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Aah, whatever, Smacky! Sit on it and spin! You ain't said nuttin' 'bout what point I made! The story's execution sucked ass and you know it! Quistis jeaprodizin' da mission? Squall being forced to drop everything and be da one to save Rinoa, the Oh- I -Forgot "plot-twist"... OH... COME... ON!!!! Deny it all ya want, but it's undeniably sucky! All yer doin' is bitchin' 'bout my comparison,so if yer not gonna talk 'bout nuttin, then shaddap talkin' ta me. Now runteldat!

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A'yo, THAT'S ENOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look, I understands you guys have somthing to get off your chest but this is crazy!!! You guys remind me of the time when I told my older brother any FF is better than Madden. Boy did I get my ass kicked that day. Anyway, no matter how much you guy continue like this, it's impossible to change each others minds. As much as I like to see a fist fight, this is the internet...PEOPLE WE DON'T HAVE FIST ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!! So, just chill out!:cool:

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Yeah, we don't have 'fists on the net' Smacky, but damn, but my words seem to hurt soooo much. Why is that? Oh, because truth hurts! That's why! So sit on it an spin Smacky! I ain't tryin' ta change nobody's mind! I'm just statin' what's what and for people to stop denial of all the blatant arcs (if you can call it that) that really made ya just go WTF!?!?! Because it was just plain lazy and stupid...

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well said mate, but still i bet you want to bitch about things some times;)
lol
but on the other hand i have this to say FF8 IS THE BEST FF YET ITS NOT OPINION, ITS FACT:tongue: that shoud get people bitching again hehehe

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::slaps you:: Stop that. Even as a joke, the posting of a post just to stir up trouble is this far from trolling. Besides, people confusing the objective for the subjective pisses me the hell off, even in jest.

Rimoah- Rapunzel's story does entirely blow chunks, yes. But it avoids the major failing of trying to play itself as more than it is. FF8, meanwhile, tired to take itself too seriously. FF10-2, did not at any point try and take itself half as seriously as 8 did (and nor should it have. It was our first story of what the hell the heroes do after they save the world, after all. It needed some lighthearted frivolity).

Part of how bad you fail is how high you set your goals. If you set low goals and fall a little, it's not as bad as setting a high goal and failing a lot, if that makes any sense.

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LOL i was only having a laugh:D and part of the internet IS starting arguments neither sides can win...its fun, join in but dont join in here becuase ull get every thread u star closed down hehehe

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Whadda ya think I'm doin' Smacky? I'm havin' LOADS of fun. But I also note that no one is actually acknowledging key points to my posts... But I'm havin' fun with this anyway... Wonder why dat is? Till next episode, see yaz 'round Smacky!


I mean, C'mon people it's been almost, what, a frickin' decade? And people are still crappin' on dis game... And with good reason... If you don't know why? Then yer in denial... I've seen the same points over and over and this is from new player and people that don't even LIKE/PLAY Final Fantasy! LOL

There's gotta be a reason, just like there's a reason for Rinoa is Ultimecia enthusiasts... And dat's where I think the common ground is... Fanboy/girls in denial of the bad points of story and well... others who like the Rinoa is Ultimecia idear... ROFLMAO!!!!! You're alla same!!!

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what is with you calling everyone smacky??? cant you think of anything better?!that is so f***ing annoying, grow up!

Getting all steamed up over a game? I cry at this.

This game just needed more characters with better and interesting personalities and backgrounds.

Pretty much everything else was ok. The story was reasonable, I just didn't like the whole Squnoa theme.

What can ya' do?:eep:

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This game just needed more characters with better and interesting personalities and backgrounds.

Pretty much everything else was ok. The story was reasonable, I just didn't like the whole Squnoa theme.

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do you mean you didn’t like squall falling in love with rinoa? maybe your not a romantic anyway theirs a poll on general final fantasy about what is the best game out of 8 and FFIX go and vote!

the only thing i hated about FF8 was the junction/draw system. that made the game way too easy for me. i did love the characters, music, storyline though. my faves are seifer, zell, ultimecia and the library girl with pigtails. i gave library girl her own name and backstory which imo gives FF8 a whole new perspective (especially with the group of fanfics i have planned). i post them on fanfiction.net under the name "sorceress eternity". i merged most of the FF games into one world but different timelines, so all the stories work together for a bigger plot hehe.

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Oh, I'm sorry, did I upset you Smacky..? I call everyone that, how is this one word gonna piss you off that much? And as for growing up, why don't you? You're sittin' here arguing about a sucky fantasy game with an anonymous poster... But anyway, if yer gonna gripe at me, gripe at me about the game and what I've said about it.. Oh, wait, you CAN'T... Because I'm right.. So sit onnit and spin Smacky....LOL

Seriously it's just annoying and pathetic calling him smacky now.

Problem with this game: Drawing magic, its annoying having to draw 100 all the time it is a time waster. Thats the only main problem I can think of. It is a great game, I'd say FF7 is the best then FF8 is second best, FF7's graphics may be poor but it has an excellent story.

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Problem with this game: Drawing magic, its annoying having to draw 100 all the time it is a time waster. Thats the only main problem I can think of. It is a great game, I'd say FF7 is the best then FF8 is second best, FF7's graphics may be poor but it has an excellent story.

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I found the Drawing system really fun to do and proffesional anime makers agree it seams (I had to say that!)

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Hey Toits, I call EVERYBODY Smacky, aight? So it's too annoyin' fer him den that's his tough tah-tahs, aight...

I just want him to address the points I made about the game. Look Spoondiles we all know WHY you like the game, aight... But you're not doin' a spit lotta good of defending it against the downfalls of which I have pointed out... So, alla gotta say is, if you don't like what I'm sayin' and can't say nothing in direct reply to it... Shove it up yer craw... But seriously, if you can find anyway of defending this HORRRIBLE story... Please I would really like to hear it... Till next time Smacky!!! I don't know WHAT it is about that word that ticks people off so much...:p

Whoa. dudes. Chill out.

Most of us are just fighting for the sake of fighting it seems...

A'yo, FF8 maybe many things to different people, but there is one thing this game is not and that is a failure. If it was, I dobt Lord Rimoah would be here talkin' about it. Because ,if you hadn't noticed, even the haters of this game makes it popular. As far as the Smacky thing goes, I don't find it annoying. I call everybody I know son. Even women.:cool:

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Of course, I mean my soul purpose for coming to this forum is to bitch and argue, because its fun for me.

Well i think FF8 was raw!!! ( By that i mean great )

Ok...who's against what i just said?!

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Well i think FF8 was a beast son!!! ( By that i mean great )

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A'yo, I fixed it for you...:cool:

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Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa

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Originally Posted by Hazzard

Well i think FF8 was a beast son!!! ( By that i mean great )

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A'yo, I fixed it for you...:cool:

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Aaaah...I liked it the way it was...

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Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa

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Originally Posted by Hazzard

Well i think FF8 was a beast son!!! ( By that i mean great )

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A'yo, I fixed it for you...:cool:

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Aaaah...I liked it the way it was...

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Too bad son...:tongue:

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Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa

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Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa

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Originally Posted by Hazzard

Well i think FF8 was a beast son!!! ( By that i mean great )

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A'yo, I fixed it for you...:cool:

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Aaaah...I liked it the way it was...

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Too bad son...:tongue:

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Aaaaaannnnndd were' LOSING FOCUS here... We're discussing WHY this game gets all the hate that it deserves and probably DOESN'T deserve... So get back on track there Smackies.... and... ahh.... Aw, just wiff it!

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Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa

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Originally Posted by Hazzard

Well i think FF8 was a beast son!!! ( By that i mean great )

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A'yo, I fixed it for you...:cool:

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Aaaah...I liked it the way it was...

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Too bad son...:tongue:

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Aaaaaannnnndd were' LOSING FOCUS here... We're discussing WHY this game gets all the hate that it deserves and probably DOESN'T deserve... So get back on track there Smackies.... and... ahh.... Aw, just wiff it!

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A'yo son check this out, FF8 can have a confusing storyline, an annoying battle systems, characters with poor background info, but it's still a beast!!! It's my favorite because none of that apply to me. And that's real.:cool:

Although I love this game, I can actually see why people hate it. Bad storyline, a forced relationship (it's my opinion, please don't verbally abuse me for it), and the character backstories were, in a word, crap. Not to mention some gameplay as a bit irritating too (drawing magic, the NORG part, the prison part to name a few). But then again, look at your favourite FFs. All of them have their flaws, and a hell of a lot of 'em too, and they all have parts that make us want to pull our hair out. There's no use attacking each other about trivial little things that make the game bad. FF8 is fun, just like every other FF (yes, even my least favourite FF2 has its fun moments).