Weapon Skills and NM Drop Rates

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03-21-2007, 10:28 PM
oddler

Weapon Skills and NM Drop Rates

Does using a Weapon Skill on an NM mess with the drop rate of certain treasure? I've been hunting NMs for THF equipment and got help from an LS member one time. When I found the NM, I used a WS on it and he was like, "Oooo, you WS'd..." He didn't know of any proof that using a WS on an NM lowered drop rates but he said that it was rumored that it was true. I've browsed some sites about it but can't find anything that affects drop rates other than Treasure Hunter traits.

I'm 0/5 Leaping Lizzy and 0/5 Jaggedy-Eared Jack. I did get the Katana drop from Carnero on the first try, though. I've used WSs on all of these. Personally, I think it's bull. What do you guys think?
03-21-2007, 10:34 PM
Mirage

That sounds stupid. I've only heard rumours of there being a difference if you one-shot them or not.
03-21-2007, 11:00 PM
Yeargdribble

It's just more superstition. I'm fairly certain Carnero is 100% anyway.
03-21-2007, 11:03 PM
Rostum

A bunch of hog-wash!
03-21-2007, 11:36 PM
Markus. D

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Originally Posted by Omecle

A bunch of hog-wash!

unless SE would be bizarrely idiotic.

A bunch of hog-wash!
03-22-2007, 12:50 AM
Rostum

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Originally Posted by Tsukasa

unless SE would be bizarrely idiotic.

They are a lot of the time.

:monster:
03-22-2007, 01:13 AM
oddler

I pretty much figured but I couldn't find anything saying otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Yeargdribble

It's just more superstition. I'm fairly certain Carnero is 100% anyway.

You make me sad, Yearg. :p
03-22-2007, 02:59 AM
Del Murder

Killing a bunch of mobs at once using an area attack does lower drop rates, I've read. So an AOE weapon skill would do that.
03-22-2007, 04:07 AM
Yeargdribble

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

Killing a bunch of mobs at once using an area attack does lower drop rates, I've read. So an AOE weapon skill would do that.

That I can agree with though I'm not sure exactly how it works out. Does using AoE on only a single mob lower the drop? I've seen AoE WS and AoE nuking making for pitiful drop-rates several times over and know several people with similar results. I'd say there is support for this one. It's a little different than people who try to say THF kill raises drop rates because, "I killed Byakko with THF kill and it dropped Haidate!!! It's proven!!!" Yeah... I've killed Byakko with Spirits Within on BRD and he dropped the pants too.... what's the prove to you?
03-22-2007, 08:11 AM
No.78

People generate all kinds of theories as to why the NM won't drop! Because sometimes people get so darn unlucky :(
03-23-2007, 02:23 AM
Del Murder

I'm pretty sure the drop rates for Jack and Lizzy are low enough that 0/5 is actually more probable than 1/5, even with THF equipment.
03-23-2007, 04:49 AM
oddler

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

I'm pretty sure the drop rates for Jack and Lizzy are low enough that 0/5 is actually more probable than 1/5, even with THF equipment.

I'm pretty sure I agree with you. I was just wondering if I was making it less likely by attacking with WSs. :)
03-26-2007, 06:50 PM
Lionx

Think about this logically, why would they do such a thing? Many NMs are super tough, like King Behemoth or say Aquarius, if using a WS to kill them nerfed the drop then it would be extremely hard to kill them, especially in a close call, as well as pissing players off which is the last thing SE wants to do intentionally. Plus, why? Think about it, why? It takes strategy out of killing certain NMs too.
03-26-2007, 10:38 PM
No.78

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Originally Posted by Lionx

as well as pissing players off which is the last thing SE wants to do intentionally.

Hmm, ya do wonder tho.
03-27-2007, 01:31 AM
Rostum

I wouldn't put it pass SE to want to piss players off.

:choc2:
03-27-2007, 03:10 AM
Ouch!

Way back once upon a time, I went 1/1 on Leaping Lizzy. This was back when they were still Leaping Boots, mind you.

Afterwards I went something close to 0/25. I never much enjoyed NM camping, although I did spend an awful lot of time camping Spook (granted, the idiot isn't really an NM) before there were twelve people camping him at all times.
03-27-2007, 04:06 PM
Yeargdribble

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Originally Posted by Lionx

Think about this logically, why would they do such a thing? Many NMs are super tough, like King Behemoth

Nobody SCs KB anyway. It's a kite+nuke fest for the most part. Standing still long enough to make a SC would just mean that everyone would get hit with meteor and your group would wipe.

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or say Aquarius, if using a WS to kill them nerfed the drop then it would be extremely hard to kill them, especially in a close call,

Aquarius is duoable by me and my wife (soloable my some) and not extremely difficult. I think the drop-rate on Francisca is 100% anyway. As per your point, there are some mobs that would be nearly impossible without WS because they have a rage timer. If you don't beat them within a certain amount of time they will rage and become pretty much impossible.

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as well as pissing players off which is the last thing SE wants to do intentionally.

That's highly debatable.

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Plus, why? Think about it, why? It takes strategy out of killing certain NMs too.

What strategy? What small amount of strategy there is for a given NM has little to do with SCing. Almost all strategy has to do with stun lines, standing in the right place or kiting. SCs aren't really part of the strategy... they are more of an afterthought except in a few cases.

I think a solid estimate of JEJs drop rate is probably around 1/100 and an estimate of LL is probably around 1/25.