is FF getting too "kiddy"

by this i mean what happened to the violence? the laungage is still kinda bad. im not someone who usually likes a lot of violence but i think there should be a fair amount in an FF where people are getting killed left and right.

FFVII, FFVIII, and FF tactics had a decent amount of blood being shown unlike in recent FF's.

example. FFXII spoiler.
(SPOILER)in FFXII when gabranth kills... the lady judge. if it wasnt for her closeing her eyes and not saying anything i would have thought she was still alive.


FFIX had a little bit of blood running down kuja's head that was basically it.

FFX seemed made for little kids

FFX-2 well i think the target audience with that was adult males no blood that i can remember and in flash backs you see umm... people being shot and yet no blood.

and i already explained FFXII

so what do you think are they getting too kiddy?

they've always been pretty much PG and i don't remember much real violence to speak of anyway...so no.

I think it's hard to do realistic liquids in the 3d engines, in FFX they had to cut to a CG just to let tidus cry for crap sakes.
But I don't recall much blood in FFVIII, other than the opening fight between Squall and Seifer, or any blood in FFVII.

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Originally Posted by MecaKane

I think it's hard to do realistic liquids in the 3d engines, in FFX they had to cut to a CG just to let tidus cry for crap sakes.
But I don't recall much blood in FFVIII, other than the opening fight between Squall and Seifer, or any blood in FFVII.

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there was blood in VII in the shinra building after sephiroths masicure, and on his face at the end... and to the question the titles are rated t so they cant have people dying in a blood splatter all the time, that would be considered as god of war, and none of the games had killings everywhere so im not sure what your talking about

I demand more blood!!

I don't think they are getting kiddy, you can't call a game kiddy because it doesn't have much blood, the story is what makes it kiddy and so far I don't remember any FF with kiddy story (I haven't play FF10-2, it seems a true crap). :rolleyes2
FFs are showing blood only when it needs to be shown but it's true I would like to see more blood too.

>>> FF are ok with or without blood.. Mature players doesnt care about blood, they are more interested in a good story/plot..

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Originally Posted by aerisfantatic

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Originally Posted by MecaKane

I think it's hard to do realistic liquids in the 3d engines, in FFX they had to cut to a CG just to let tidus cry for crap sakes.
But I don't recall much blood in FFVIII, other than the opening fight between Squall and Seifer, or any blood in FFVII.

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there was blood in VII in the shinra building after sephiroths masicure, and on his face at the end... and to the question the titles are rated t so they cant have people dying in a blood splatter all the time, that would be considered as god of war, and none of the games had killings everywhere so im not sure what your talking about

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each one had a fair amount of deaths in it.
FFVII had blood trails everywhere.
FFVIII had the war between the gardens honestly want to tell me tons dindt die in the fights?
FFIX had town after town beind halway wiped out.
FFX had towns being attacked by sin and even the fight where they all charged at sin and fought the sin scaled or whatever they were.
FFX-2 people were shot.
FFXII had the beginning war.

death is everywhere in FF

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Originally Posted by MikeL Valentine

I don't think they are getting kiddy, you can't call a game kiddy because it doesn't have much blood, the story is what makes it kiddy and so far I don't remember any FF with kiddy story (I haven't play FF10-2, it seems a true crap). :rolleyes2
FFs are showing blood only when it needs to be shown but it's true I would like to see more blood too.

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maybe kiddy was too far jsut they seem to be leaveing out the blood for no reason not like a little blood would boost the rateing to M or anything.

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Originally Posted by black orb

>>> FF are ok with or without blood.. Mature players doesnt care about blood, they are more interested in a good story/plot..

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i would consider myself a mature player and i dont mind there not being blood. just kinda annoying when you leave out blood where there should be blood. i like things that make sense if you create a story where the shouldnt be any blood being shown then good but if there shold be blood then by all means show it. FFIX didnt have many chances to show blood most of the massive attacks were shown from a far away view so its not like youd see blood anyways.

Final Fantasy isn't anywhere close to being kiddy at all and you're wrong about X having no blood, look on the back of your copy and look at the rating contnet it says blood and that blood scene is minor just the part where you go to Home and some guys are shooting a monster.

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Originally Posted by Ashley Schovitz

Final Fantasy isn't anywhere close to being kiddy at all and you're wrong about X having no blood, look on the back of your copy and look at the rating contnet it says blood and that blood scene is minor just the part where you go to Home and some guys are shooting a monster.

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hmm yes it was so brief i didnt even notice. but anyways by kiddy i dont mean that in every aspect i jsut think theyre takeing things down a notch every time to try and make it suitable for younger audience. which i understand widen the market grow in profit.

so before anyone says im wrong and that they're not kiddy ill say it here for everyone to read.

I dont mean theyre getting kiddy i jsut mean theyre takeing down the violence and cutting back somewhat on swearing. kiddy was jsut the title to pretty much draw you in into reading this ;) so jsut so everyone knows they should nto take me litterally.

all im saying is that if your going to have someone get killed dont suddenly go off screen or show someones expression towards it show the violence itll add to the drama in the story. not showing it doesnt decrease the greatness of the game but showing it can help a person get sucked into the game emotionally.

the stories are in no way kiddy theyre complicated and little kids would not be able to fully undertsand them. bam i said it.

Yes

^ wth? Anyway, think of it this way - you can't have too much blood etc, because these games are played by people of all ages, even very young people ya know?. None of the FF games are THAT kiddy, because of events throughout. XII for instance - (SPOILER)Drace's death scene, not too bloody, but not too kiddy either. You even saw her face as she was stabbed.

Ah, you've mentioned swearing etc, violence. Erm, no no on violence? Every single FF has some form of violence, whether it be in a war, or a random battle! Swearing? I really don't think the general populus would take kindly to a voice-over game which contained a little bit too much swearing. Parents anyway. I personally wouldn't.

I totally agree with this topic! FF is and has always been a little pritcy when it comes to things like blood and sex, when we know it's there!!! I mean, come on! You have all these great graphics and these badass storylines, but when it comes to the more realistic stuff, they say the hell with it because they scared the public might go crazy on them. Well, I tell you one thing, If they were to put more realistic things like sexual content, They sells would go through the roof because not only they will still be getting the same crowd, they would be pulling in more people. And trust me, these kids would be eatting their games up like Eminem CDs, regardless or rating because they don't give a damn about whether their too young or not! As a matter of fact, they should put better music in it aswell! Man if you put a Kiss song on for a fight man it will be great! Or a DMX song for a fight! And some R&B for some love scenes. I'm tell you guys, it's time for a change in RPG games. And even if it's not FF, I will bring it!!!

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Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa

I totally agree with this topic! FF is and has always been a little pritcy when it comes to things like blood and sex, when we know it's there!!! I mean, come on! You have all these great graphics and these badass storylines, but when it comes to the more realistic stuff, they say the hell with it because they scared the public might go crazy on them. Well, I tell you one thing, If they were to put more realistic things like sexual content, They sells would go through the roof because not only they will still be getting the same crowd, they would be pulling in more people. And trust me, these kids would be eatting their games up like Eminem CDs, regardless or rating because they don't give a damn about whether their too young or not! As a matter of fact, they should put better music in it aswell! Man if you put a Kiss song on for a fight man it will be great! Or a DMX song for a fight! And some R&B for some love scenes. I'm tell you guys, it's time for a change in RPG games. And even if it's not FF, I will bring it!!!

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Nahhh, i don't think that would work.

OF Course that would work!!! Think of the MONEY!!!!!!!!!!! THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If FF starting putting kiss or DMX songs in there, then you know its time to call it quits.

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Originally Posted by LoKuS

If FF starting putting kiss or DMX songs in there, then you know its time to call it quits.

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Exactly, if they do that--they're basically say they've raised the white flag. I can't really image controlling somewhat like Auron mid-way in battle and hearing: "SHUT THE HELL UP BECAUSE I'M PACKING NINES IN THE TRUCK, BOUT TO SHOOT THIS GUY UP!!!". Maybe in my spare time, but not entirely when i want to hear 'Fitting' music for FF music sounds.
The day i see live sex on an FF, will be the day when Jesus goes clubbing with me in Tenerife!

I have really never thought about this, my eyes didn't pop up as if with or without blood really matters because they are just pixels... so it's pretty much meaningless to be concerned about things like blood, etc. Well maybe not just all pixels, but things like blood are pretty much meaningless.

Yeah, I'm pretty more interested in story and its plot holes :P

So the answer is no :P

The games have never had any gratuitous level of violence or swearing, but that doesn't make them "kiddy" by any means either. Almost all of the games have had some pretty dark overtones to them.

I think it's a mix of "it's hard to make some decent, realistic looking blood on these sophisticated 3D engines" and "special effects are cool". Like in FFX, when Sin attacks on the beach, the soldiers simply dematerialize and get blown away. To me, that was more effective than BOOM BOOM BOOM BODIES BLOWN APART SAND SOAKED IN BLOOD!!!!!11! It seemed like they were aiming to hit your emotions, yknow, not to gross you out and make you cringe.

Although I have to admit, blood is powerful. You just can't overuse it, otherwise it becomes meaningless.

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Originally Posted by MikeL Valentine

I don't think they are getting kiddy, you can't call a game kiddy because it doesn't have much blood, the story is what makes it kiddy and so far I don't remember any FF with kiddy story. :rolleyes2

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Originally Posted by Lynx

each one had a fair amount of deaths in it.
FFVII had blood trails everywhere.
FFVIII had the war between the gardens honestly want to tell me tons dindt die in the fights?
FFIX had town after town beind halway wiped out.
FFX had towns being attacked by sin and even the fight where they all charged at sin and fought the sin scaled or whatever they were.
FFX-2 people were shot.
FFXII had the beginning war.

death is everywhere in FF

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You list these, taken purely from the more recent FF titles and yet you still question how mature said recent titles are. Interesting.

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Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa

I totally agree with this topic! FF is and has always been a little pritcy when it comes to things like blood and sex, when we know it's there!!! I mean, come on! You have all these great graphics and these badass storylines, but when it comes to the more realistic stuff, they say the hell with it because they scared the public might go crazy on them. Well, I tell you one thing, If they were to put more realistic things like sexual content, They sells would go through the roof because not only they will still be getting the same crowd, they would be pulling in more people. And trust me, these kids would be eatting their games up like Eminem CDs, regardless or rating because they don't give a damn about whether their too young or not! As a matter of fact, they should put better music in it aswell! Man if you put a Kiss song on for a fight man it will be great! Or a DMX song for a fight! And some R&B for some love scenes. I'm tell you guys, it's time for a change in RPG games. And even if it's not FF, I will bring it!!!

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This is a joke post right?

I wouldn't say "kiddy", but it sure seems to focus a lot on trying to be "cool".

It started out with Cloud, a cold dude with a huge sword and a punk-haircut, and then there was Squall, the "bad-ass".
This temporarily stopped in FFIX, where characters felt more likeable and overall nicer.
Then we got Tidus, and he also felt kind of exagerrated; he was more the kind of character that 10-year-old boys find "cool".

Cecil and Kain in FF4 were a bit like this as well, but there just was something about them that even I liked.
They felt more "alive", somehow, like characters that were created with a passion.
Nowadays FF characters feel so commercial; it'll be long before we see characters like Rydia, Terra, Locke and Garnet again.

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Originally Posted by Setzer Gabianni

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Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa

I totally agree with this topic! FF is and has always been a little pritcy when it comes to things like blood and sex, when we know it's there!!! I mean, come on! You have all these great graphics and these badass storylines, but when it comes to the more realistic stuff, they say the hell with it because they scared the public might go crazy on them. Well, I tell you one thing, If they were to put more realistic things like sexual content, They sells would go through the roof because not only they will still be getting the same crowd, they would be pulling in more people. And trust me, these kids would be eatting their games up like Eminem CDs, regardless or rating because they don't give a damn about whether their too young or not! As a matter of fact, they should put better music in it aswell! Man if you put a Kiss song on for a fight man it will be great! Or a DMX song for a fight! And some R&B for some love scenes. I'm tell you guys, it's time for a change in RPG games. And even if it's not FF, I will bring it!!!

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This is a joke post right?

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Sadly no.

Lets look at the other games:
Grand Theif Autos) All GTAs are for over 18 years old (NEVER EVER GIVE A GTA TO KIDS!!!!).
Super Mario Bros) All Mario-based are the REAL KIDDY!

FF's rating is most likey within Mario's and GTA's (Only as PG or M).

Thank god Typhoon isn't a game designer.

I dont geddit. Blood=Higher target audience?

Nahh.

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Originally Posted by Setzer Gabianni

^ wth? Anyway, think of it this way - you can't have too much blood etc, because these games are played by people of all ages, even very young people ya know?. None of the FF games are THAT kiddy, because of events throughout. XII for instance - (SPOILER)Drace's death scene, not too bloody, but not too kiddy either. You even saw her face as she was stabbed.

Ah, you've mentioned swearing etc, violence. Erm, no no on violence? Every single FF has some form of violence, whether it be in a war, or a random battle! Swearing? I really don't think the general populus would take kindly to a voice-over game which contained a little bit too much swearing. Parents anyway. I personally wouldn't.

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WHAT ABOUT GUNZ IN DIRGE OF CEREBUS THERE SHOULD BE MORE BLOOD IN THATwhith no blood it get boring:eep:

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Originally Posted by black orb

>>> FF are ok with or without blood.. Mature players doesnt care about blood, they are more interested in a good story/plot..

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Quoted for truth.

Blood and swearing doesn't make a game more mature, just makes it appeal more to juveniles who haven't grown up yet and still think blood pouring and limbs flying is what makes something mature. FF is already more mature than most games, especially when they have plots dealing with character relationships, political intrigue and the like.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of times where I like violence in a game (God of War anyone?). But a lack of violence doesn't make a game kiddy.

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Originally Posted by Lynx

each one had a fair amount of deaths in it.
FFVII had blood trails everywhere.
FFVIII had the war between the gardens honestly want to tell me tons dindt die in the fights?
FFIX had town after town beind halway wiped out.
FFX had towns being attacked by sin and even the fight where they all charged at sin and fought the sin scaled or whatever they were.
FFX-2 people were shot.
FFXII had the beginning war.

death is everywhere in FF

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You list these, taken purely from the more recent FF titles and yet you still question how mature said recent titles are. Interesting.

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that was taken out of context also you missed my point. my point in recent FF games death is everywhere and yet when blood should be shown they look the other way.

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Originally Posted by No.78

I dont geddit. Blood=Higher target audience?

Nahh.

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i dont think it would create a higher audience. i just think when someone is shot outside of battle (battles dont count in my book because they dont have the monsters changeing with each attack) they should blead because its realistic.

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Originally Posted by black orb

>>> FF are ok with or without blood.. Mature players doesnt care about blood, they are more interested in a good story/plot..

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Quoted for truth.

Blood and swearing doesn't make a game more mature, just makes it appeal more to juveniles who haven't grown up yet and still think blood pouring and limbs flying is what makes something mature. FF is already more mature than most games, especially when they have plots dealing with character relationships, political intrigue and the like.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of times where I like violence in a game (God of War anyone?). But a lack of violence doesn't make a game kiddy.

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everyone keeps forgetting to read my other posts and need to figure out that i dont mean kiddy to a litteral extent. i dont think a 7 year old should play any FF really because they wont get the story when i was little and played i didnt undertsand still had fun though but didnt fully understand it until i was older.

also blood splattering and limbs flying to get the game rateing of mature. i dont really care for that much blood. i HATE resident evil. most extremely violent games i tend to hate because they work by haveing a stupid story but so much blood people think its cool.

i play games for there story create an FF where there shouldnt be any blood and i wont mind. but make me watch lenne and shuyin get shot and not a drop of blood im sorry but now i belive they pulled a matrix and dodged bullets and then decided to take a nap. dont go to show someone getting stabbed and turn the camera away.

basically i want them to show what they put in the games. i do think they should leave out sexual content its a video game not porn. keep the game set on what its about wars saveing the planet stuff like that. yeah theres love story too but come on everything violence laungage should also only go so far.

Edit: im just hopeing ff doesnt keep takeing it donw a notch everytime until we have a ff game that the target audience is 5-12. hopefully they will keep up the complex story lines.

I don't think the lack of blood and gore makes a game kiddy. Besides, from what I've seen so far, Final Fantasy XII has a pretty dark war story, and the opening war sequence is quite graphical too. FF Versus XIII had quite a dark trailer too.

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Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa

I totally agree with this topic! FF is and has always been a little pritcy when it comes to things like blood and sex, when we know it's there!!! I mean, come on! You have all these great graphics and these badass storylines, but when it comes to the more realistic stuff, they say the hell with it because they scared the public might go crazy on them. Well, I tell you one thing, If they were to put more realistic things like sexual content, They sells would go through the roof because not only they will still be getting the same crowd, they would be pulling in more people. And trust me, these kids would be eatting their games up like Eminem CDs, regardless or rating because they don't give a damn about whether their too young or not! As a matter of fact, they should put better music in it aswell! Man if you put a Kiss song on for a fight man it will be great! Or a DMX song for a fight! And some R&B for some love scenes. I'm tell you guys, it's time for a change in RPG games. And even if it's not FF, I will bring it!!!

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I actually would like to see some blood during a certain Aeris part in FF7, because a huge-ass sword that's nailed through a person's body should force SOME bood to gush out; but in that scene there's nothing. :eek:

To tell you the truth, it looks extremely stupid. :D

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth1999AD

I don't think the lack of blood and gore makes a game kiddy. Besides, from what I've seen so far, Final Fantasy XII has a pretty dark war story, and the opening war sequence is quite graphical too. FF Versus XIII had quite a dark trailer too.

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it looks like it would be graphic but no blood.

With the release of FFXII, i think not.

thats why 7 and 8 are the best they are not kiddy

^ Yeah... riiiggghhhttt...

Many other FF games that aren't kiddie-

FFVI
FFII
FFIV

Yeah.

Edit: And more the kiddie (FF3, FF5, FF1) Just means that they are more fun than the darker titles.

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

thats why 7 and 8 are the best they are not kiddy

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Yeah right :rolleyes2

Try that comment again without the fanboyism

to be fair FF titles below VII i dont put into the catagory because the graphics werent good to show much blood i think you could see some in FFVI at one point but its been so long its hard to remember.

but as far FFIX, FFX and XII there were times where blood should have been drawn and yet they decided not to show it.

btw i still love all 3 of those games.

In FFVI, it may not have shown "blood", but it showed indication that there was blood, such as Mr. (SPOILER)Leo gets (SPOILER)stabbed by Mr. (SPOILER)Palazzo.

Then mentioned a guy in FFX get frickin' split in half, and people lying in frickin' pools of frickin' blood.

FFVIII had meh amounts.

FFVII had the trails and some cuts.

FFIX shouldn't have blood, otherwise it would ruin the lighthearted feel that made it distinctive.

FFXII was a bit more violent.

FFX-2 was rather suggestive.

FFXI has some blood.

I don't want blood, blood is nauseating and I turn irrational when I see it.

Sex, meh, no. It would ruin it.

Drugs? Meh, not really.

I really don't play much games over an M rating simply because I'm not a fan of graphical stuff. I like how FF is, only showing blood and sex when it is partially necessary.

Man tell me about it. I miss all the burning, looting, bleeding and shooting of yesteryear. I mean, how awesome was it when Cecil tore Dr Lugae in half and we got that awesome scene where his guts were spilling out all over the ground? That was brilliant, true final fantasy.

(SPOILER)I am of course talking rubbish, since FF has always been kiddy-centric

well, FF12 is full of murder and dark themes and i was suprised to find it was a 16+.

some have a slightly kiddy feel but its not a big problem. SE have taken all of this into account and they wont make some massive mistake. its as kiddy as they want it to be.

It dosen't have to be a sexual bloodfest to be deemed "mature." Take most movies, you guys adore them for maturity and it's about as inapropriate as a Barney episode.

Technically, all blood does is shock you with its gore. It can't move you psychologically, so it moves you by throwing blood in there. What's so mature about that?

Sex? Sex, meh, I don't think its necessary, but that wouldn't stop from playing.

Drugs? Same as above.

Thing is, maturity isn't the content, but the actual game. Blood dosen't create horror, sex dosen't create romance, and drugs dosen't create drama, HORROR creates horror, ROMANCE creates romance, DRAMA creates drama, and MATURITY creates maturity, so if Final Fantasy turns into a sex-infested bloodshow, which I hope dosen't happen, it would ruin the already mature setting, content will just make it well, sick.

If anything, FF I-V were the most kiddy. But being kiddy doesn't make those FF Games bad since it doesn't interfere with the gameplay.

The kiddier FF games seemed the most fun. But I don't think FF2 was really kiddy. It had alot of dying and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Lynx

each one had a fair amount of deaths in it.
FFVII had blood trails everywhere.
FFVIII had the war between the gardens honestly want to tell me tons dindt die in the fights?
FFIX had town after town beind halway wiped out.
FFX had towns being attacked by sin and even the fight where they all charged at sin and fought the sin scaled or whatever they were.
FFX-2 people were shot.
FFXII had the beginning war.

death is everywhere in FF

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You list these, taken purely from the more recent FF titles and yet you still question how mature said recent titles are. Interesting.

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Yeah, you don't mention Leo dying in VI or just about every main character biting the bullet in IV. Or Galuf's death, etc. and so on.

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Originally Posted by Sophie Peithos

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Originally Posted by Lynx

each one had a fair amount of deaths in it.
FFVII had blood trails everywhere.
FFVIII had the war between the gardens honestly want to tell me tons dindt die in the fights?
FFIX had town after town beind halway wiped out.
FFX had towns being attacked by sin and even the fight where they all charged at sin and fought the sin scaled or whatever they were.
FFX-2 people were shot.
FFXII had the beginning war.

death is everywhere in FF

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You list these, taken purely from the more recent FF titles and yet you still question how mature said recent titles are. Interesting.

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Yeah, you don't mention Leo dying in VI or just about every main character biting the bullet in IV. Or Galuf's death, etc. and so on.

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thats because im talking about recent titles. when i said are they "getting" to kiddy i meant they seem to be heading down a pathway towards getting a rateing of E.

FFVII was the big start of violent FF's with a good deal of swearing. i dont care about the swearing much though. but people swear so therefore i think it should be put in FF's. add to the ralisticness of the characters personalitys.

and when people get stabbed they blead adds to the realistic parts of the human body.

like ive said make a FF where there shouldnt be violence and i wont mind. FFIX for example didnt have any places to show much violence except for kuja's head that one scene so i have no problems with that.

FFXII had tons of scenes that should have been violent but they never showed the blood my question is why?