Which do you prefer? I haven't played Chrono Cross yet, so I'm gonna have to go with Trigger on this one.
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Which do you prefer? I haven't played Chrono Cross yet, so I'm gonna have to go with Trigger on this one.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Acula
Chrono Trigger is my favorite. I would probably had liked Cross a bit better if it had been slightly more like Radical Dreamers... If Guile was actually Gil from Radical Dreamers I would have squealed for joy...
Overall, Trigger had the stronger cast, story, and gameplay. I also feel Cross' greatest impact only comes to those who have actually played Trigger first. But this is just my opinion.;)
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Originally Posted by blackmage_nukeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Acula
I like Cross a lot, probably more than Trigger. But that's probably because I played Cross first and have only had a taste of Trigger through ROM's. I think they are both great games though.
I loved Chrono Cross but I didn't really enjoy most of Chrono Trigger.
I found that Chrono Cross sacrificed depth for breadth, since the number of recruitable characters were large, we only got to know a few of them well. A lot like the Suikoden series, really. Although I liked having a lot of choices. I love the music as well.
Chrono Trigger had a smaller cast so we could learn more about them. The plot was better, but I'm not a huge fan of the character designs. I liked the battle system and gameplay.
So in the end I liked them both a lot, but Chrono Cross suited me a little better.
I love them both dearly, but Cross brought some heavy maturity to the series that Trigger couldn't even begin to touch. As much as I loved Trigger, it was always either incredibly silly or very melodramatic. The generation is more to blame than the game itself, but it is what it is.
Cross.
While Chrono Cross did have a bit more maturity, some parts of the story and characters were ridiculous and unnecessary. Pokemon reject dog, big fat momma, and Mexican wrestler immediately come to mind. So much plot that went to waste too.
HEY GLENN HOLY :skull::skull::skull::skull: IT'S YOUR BROTHER! HE'S ALIVE AND KIND OF PISSED! *drop story arc*
HEY NIKKI THAT DRAGOON GIRL IS YOUR SISTER! WHOA! *drop story arc*
HEY GUILE YOU KIND OF LOOK LIKE MAGUS AND THERE'S ONE BRIEF HINT *drop*
HEY, THE COOL CYBORG GUY SEEMS LIKE HE KNOWS ROBO! THAT'S COOL *drop*
Chrono Trigger by far. A light hearted story and fun as crap to play. Cross was too serious and needed to be more light hearted with more speed.
Chrono Cross was a great game, but in the face of Chrono Trigger it doesn't even stand a chance.
Chrono Trigger is an example of a perfect videogame.
Chrono Trigger is waaay better than Cross imo. Especially the music, the tunes would just burn into your memory and replay over and over, but I didn't mind.
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Originally Posted by Necronopticous
Trigger all the way.
Introducing a fully integrated the fourth-dimentional aspect was a fresh idea for mainstream gaming. Most others that had some sort of time travel had it as a one-shot plot device.
I think we've made it pretty clear that Chrono Trigger is the winner here. Cross had kind of a messed up storyline too. I couldnt quite link the two together. So its Chrono Trigger for me, all the way.
CC is really less of a traditional "sequel" and more of a side story since all it really does is answer one of the mysteries from CT which was "What happened to Schala?". And in the course of answering this question it just raised so many more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrias
What's happened to most of the world?
When did Moore become a military state?
What exactly happened to Guardia?
What happened to Crono and Marle?
What happened to Lucca since most fans don't honestly believe that FATE/Lynx could seriously take her out...
What happened to Glenn and how did the Masamune wind up the way it did?
What happened to Magus? (though this is actually touched upon in Radical Dreamers)
The questions about the countries are easy to answer. Time goes on, the people in power change, and the countries change. Knowing what happened could always be nice, but its hardly a big deal.
And face it people, Lynx owned Lucca. The villians this time around are apperently stronger than before.
Still prefer Trigger though.
...Lavos DESTROYED THE WORLD.
If they could just tie CC in a bit more, i bet it would have been better. But isnt it true that it was made by people who werent the original game designers for CT? Or am i wrong in this?
Nah, he just messed it up a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy
I enjoyed Chrono Trigger more because of the smaller cast. When you make a large group of playable characters, such as the one in Chrono Cross, individual stories kind of lose themselves to each other. There is too much sacrifice and some characters seem to be added in there for comedic or random value, and I'm not a big fan of that. Chrono Trigger's cast all had a reason to be there, and it was easy to understand.
That said, Chrono Cross was still an immensely pleasurable experience for what it was, and I appreciated that. I just prefer smaller casts to larger ones. Or a larger cast with equally entertaining stories and a minimum of the "HEY LEMME JOIN YOU TO JOIN YOU!"
I didn't see a body dammit, so she can still be alive!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
CC just needed more explanations as to what happened around the world since the time gap between both games wasn't significant enough for me to believe Moore, which was a damn peacful town, turned into a military state and possibly attacked Guardia. I mean CT only had like four nations so what the hell happened?
CC was a pretty decent game but damn did it take the series into a completely different direction...
I like them both but I did enjoy Trigger more. Cross did a number of things that upset me. I do like Cross's battle system more, though.
Plus, Trigger has Lucca and that gives it golden-flavored awesome.
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Originally Posted by NeoCracker
I hate you KeanuSaltine ;_; (SPOILER)Beneath the love.
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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
What happens to Magus in Radical Dreamers?
Forgive me if I'm not 100% accurate as it has been quite a few years since I read all the scenarios.
In Radical Dreamers, at least one of the scenarios:rolleyes2 Serge, Kid and a man named Gil (who happens to looks like a bit more menacing version of Guile from CC) are a group of theives sneaking into Viper Manor. Through the course of the game it's revealved that Gil is actually Magus who is looking for Schala and watching her from the shadows since she has no recollection of who she really is.
Fun fact for Chrono fans: While visiting Chronopolis in CC, there is a room that shows off the two main parallel worlds but you can access a machine that gives off a dialogue between Kid, Serge, and Gil from Radical Dreamers. It's this one scene that makes certain fans feel Radical Dreamers counts as part of the Chrono series.
And edczxcvbnm, though I mostly agree with your answers, there are a few that I don't...
The Masamune answer since CC makes the sword corrupt people while it never had anything remotely like that in CT. I just don't feel like either game gives enough info to really explain how it became the way it did.
As for the fate of Lucca, Crono, and Marle... My main issue comes from the kid versions of the characters that haunt Serge throughout the game. It was never really explained and the never gave enough information as to who they really are. Are they actually the "ghosts" of these characters since they may have died at some point between CT and CC? Are they just temporary forms used to communicate with Serge cause something prevents them from accessing the islands like FATE or the Devourer of Time?
If Lucca is dead, then how can she be with Crono and Marle if they are supposedly alive? If Crono and Marle are also dead... who or what could have taken them out since we are talking about two people who helped beat Lavos?
Dammit this is why we need Chrono Brake...:mad:
Who says those kid versions are actually them anyway? They don't seem to act like themselves. (Thanks for the Magus explanation, by the way. :P)
"Alternate universes" was always what I believed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Remember, they were in the dead see, the place where all the futures that never existed are. Those ghosts said thanks to serge Lavos returns. Meaning in one of these futures, lavos returned and killed everyone. Those ghosts were the ghosts from that timeline, not the ones you play in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy"Alternate universes" was always what I believed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
SO yes, what jowy said, but detailed.
But they also appear on Opassa Beach in the True Timeline when you go fight the Devouer of Time...
Crono mentions that Lynx and Harle tried to capture Lucca to disengage the Prometheus circuit but the mission ended in failure... but it never mentioned she was killed. Was it as Chronopolis that it's mentioned?
Also... Lucca says that "they" (Crono, Marle, and Lucca) no longer exist in the main timeline. I'm guessing this can be interpreted as them being dead... yet the three "ghosts" talk as though they are the originals instead of alternate versions of them. I'm just saying that when we are dealing with a game where people can time travel and travel through parallel worlds, saying "..we no longer exist in this timeline..." doesn't necessarily mean death...
Conspiracy theory... :shifty:
Opasa beach is also a place where two different Dimensions cross. It wouldn't be surprising if another dimension crossed it as well, or if they were able to access that area from the dead sea. I mean the Gate to the devourer of time is also there, so its not unlikely that more dimensions cross that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
and if those are the heroes of the main timeline, it really doesn't change much. Its quite likely that Lynx took out Crono and Marle as well. Given how he was a general in the Poore nation and all, he likely fought against Crono in the War and won. Maybe he even had something to do with Poore becoming a military state. That, however, is completely speculation.
And what possibly could have happened to Lucca then? They obviously don't have her trapped, and if she escaped why are they not hunting her? Also, doesn't Kid Say that Lucca was killed by lynx a few times?
Oh thanks... I'm calling it Moore when it's actually Porre and looking like an idiot.:rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCrackerOpasa beach is also a place where two different Dimensions cross. It wouldn't be surprising if another dimension crossed it as well, or if they were able to access that area from the dead sea. I mean the Gate to the devourer of time is also there, so its not unlikely that more dimensions cross that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
and if those are the heroes of the main timeline, it really doesn't change much. Its quite likely that Lynx took out Crono and Marle as well. Given how he was a general in the Poore nation and all, he likely fought against Crono in the War and won. Maybe he even had something to do with Poore becoming a military state. That, however, is completely speculation.
And what possibly could have happened to Lucca then? They obviously don't have her trapped, and if she escaped why are they not hunting her? Also, doesn't Kid Say that Lucca was killed by lynx a few times?
Seriously though...
For Kid saying Lucca was dead, it's sorta've shown when Serge travels to Lucca's home we get to potentially see what Kid saw. We never see him actually kill her in fact we never even see Lucca or anyone. Kid may have assumed she died cause she couldn't find her afterwards. The "ghost" Lucca tells Kid she's happy to see her safe which is why I assume she may actually be the original.
Was Lynx actually in the Porre military? I don't remember that ever being mentioned but then again I haven't played CC in four years so I may have forgotten.:(
I would assume that FATE probably played a hand in making sure Crono and company can't interfere but I always assumed he was able to stop them but I can't actually believe he could kill them. Perhaps if he trapped them and took them by surprise but the game offers little to no evidence except for one. All we know is a little about Lucca's fate and I feel the evidence is not conclusive enough for either side of the debate to have an actual clear winner and just comes down to personal feelings.
Lynx is in fact in the military. Even Norris refers to him as General Lynx. Radius remembers him from his time as a Dragoon. And Fate could have kept Crono out as you said. The only person Fate can't seem to control is Crono and Lynx due to the Frozen flame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf KannoOh thanks... I'm calling it Moore when it's actually Porre and looking like an idiot.:rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCrackerOpasa beach is also a place where two different Dimensions cross. It wouldn't be surprising if another dimension crossed it as well, or if they were able to access that area from the dead sea. I mean the Gate to the devourer of time is also there, so its not unlikely that more dimensions cross that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
and if those are the heroes of the main timeline, it really doesn't change much. Its quite likely that Lynx took out Crono and Marle as well. Given how he was a general in the Poore nation and all, he likely fought against Crono in the War and won. Maybe he even had something to do with Poore becoming a military state. That, however, is completely speculation.
And what possibly could have happened to Lucca then? They obviously don't have her trapped, and if she escaped why are they not hunting her? Also, doesn't Kid Say that Lucca was killed by lynx a few times?
Seriously though...
For Kid saying Lucca was dead, it's sorta've shown when Serge travels to Lucca's home we get to potentially see what Kid saw. We never see him actually kill her in fact we never even see Lucca or anyone. Kid may have assumed she died cause she couldn't find her afterwards. The "ghost" Lucca tells Kid she's happy to see her safe which is why I assume she may actually be the original.
Was Lynx actually in the Porre military? I don't remember that ever being mentioned but then again I haven't played CC in four years so I may have forgotten.:(
I would assume that FATE probably played a hand in making sure Crono and company can't interfere but I always assumed he was able to stop them but I can't actually believe he could kill them. Perhaps if he trapped them and took them by surprise but the game offers little to no evidence except for one. All we know is a little about Lucca's fate and I feel the evidence is not conclusive enough for either side of the debate to have an actual clear winner and just comes down to personal feelings.
And not enough on either side for a debate? What? It says she is dead. There is not one piece of evidence outside of "I haven't seen a body" that says otherwise. there is no reason I can concieve for Lucca to still be alive. You are right about there not being enough evidence to debate, but only because her living lacks evidence. her being dead, however, has it.
Face it Kanno, she is Gone!! Gone Forever and there is nothing you and your psudo-evidence can do about it! Mwahahahahahahahahhahahahaha!
Except we're basing it on the fact that Kid supposedly saw it when she was 6 years old in a burning building. We even get to see the scene she remember Lynx being there, but we never see Lucca killed.
Crono only says that Lynx and Harle's mission to capture her to remove the Promethius circuit failed... he never mentions how it failed nor does Lynx/FATE or Harle.
The only evidence "she's dead" is from Kid saying so, which due to the time it happened is very unreliable evidence. In terms of evidence, eye witnesses are the most unreliable when building a case.:rolleyes2
She's alive dammit! Face it! The Great Lucca is just hiding out in the world of Xenogears until things cool down in her own dimension;)
She's about as alive as Aeris my friend. Except the truth! Lucca is gone!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
FATE would never even be interested in controlling Crono or effecting any changes on the mainland, as FATE's sole mission is to maintain the El Nido paradise and prevent mainland interference to preserve the future as it was in Chronopolis's own history. Lynx did not even exist until 1010 A.D., five years after Guardia fell. Later, Lynx did manipulate Porre and the Acacia Dragoons as an agent of FATE towards this end. As for Magus, he is Magil in the Radical Dreamers continuity (replaced by Chrono Cross), and found Kid in the modern era to watch over her until she was ready to learn her true heritage (Schala, unaged to a baby and sent to the modern era after the Ocean Palace incident). Remember that the RD continuity is no longer canonical.
Masato Kato purposely left the Fall of Guardia and other details a mystery, as he lobbied to make Chrono Break in 2001 before leaving Square entirely. He's back with the company now, but apparently Square won't throw him a bone. He's probably working in hopes of getting a chance at a new game.
Anyway, most of those questions aren't able to be answered outright, but there's a lot of evidence pointing to outcomes and causes. Not to spam, but it's all centralized here:
Chrono Compendium
Chrono Compendium
Never!!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
I didn't realize the creator non-canonized RD. It's a shame too, cause it was pretty good. Also thanks for the link (adds to favorites...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeality
Honestly, this series needs a sequel so we can clear this all up:mad: and she is alive Neocracker... just like Elvis an 2Pac;)
I'm in the middle of replaying the game now. when lynx and serge (SPOILER)switch places, Lynx tells kid to "avenge Lucca." And later when he's about to kill Kid he says he's going to "send her to Lucca." Unless Lynx is mistaken, she's dead. Very, and forever, dead.
Oh, and I like Trigger better, but Cross is very good too. Just annoying with the overload of characters.
I really prefer Chrono Cross in terms of story, soundtrack, and characters. Could have used a bit more double/triple techs, but that's hardly something to fault the game on
I haven't played Cross, but I thought Trigger was fantastic.
From what I've read, Trigger is a big mess of underdeveloped characters - but I haven't played it so I can't judge.
I like Trigger better because it made sense.
I have a Snes emulator & Chrono Trigger & have to say it is an awesome game one of my favorite rpg's. Forgive my ignorance but what format is Chrono Cross on I'd like to play it after I finish all the dragon quest games I just downloaded. On an off topic point does anyone know where I could download dragon quest 4?