So I've heard that Necron is somehow alluded to throughout FF9 (saw it briefly mentioned in another topic). Can anyone please explain this, or tell me where in the game I can expect to find evidence?
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So I've heard that Necron is somehow alluded to throughout FF9 (saw it briefly mentioned in another topic). Can anyone please explain this, or tell me where in the game I can expect to find evidence?
In Terra, when Garland is talking about the Iifa Tree. He say that the true form of the tree is not in the physical world.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReloadPsi
After Kuja kill your party in the Crystal World, you fight against the true form of the tree(Necron) in the spiritual world. This is why the tree die after Necron is defeated.
Well, this is news to me...I feel bloody ignorant now >.<
Makes sense, though.
That's from the gameFAQs "plot analysis" thing, right? because I have some issues with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The CrystalIn Terra, when Garland is talking about the Iifa Tree. He say that the true form of the tree is not in the physical world.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReloadPsi
After Kuja kill your party in the Crystal World, you fight against the true form of the tree(Necron) in the spiritual world. This is why the tree die after Necron is defeated.
Necron specifically says: "I exist for one purpose: To return everything to the zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life." Now, Garland said the Iifa Tree's purpose is to trap Gaia's souls so Terra can assimilate it. How is that like returning everything to the "zero world"? It isn't.
Dr Tot also mentions something about an unspeakably powerful threat to all existence, that was sealed away in the distant past. Something like that, I don't recall the details.
Squall of SeeD's plot analysises aren't canon.
Wait, wait, so when soulcage was talking, it was that :skull::skull::skull::skull:face Necron???
Soulcage was, I think, created by the people of Terra as part of their plan for assimilating Gaia. It was meant to process and syphon off the souls of Gaia, in order to - eventually - give them a largely empty world to take over.
Necron, though, seems to be a naturally-occurring, universal force.
The Iifa tree theory makes the most sense to me and I find it very acceptable. It would explain why the Iifa Tree died in the end.
Of course, Necron's words are very similiar to Garland's, except that Necron wants to return everything to zero (which is indeed not what Garland wanted). Could it be, because Garland died, that Necron kind off started to think for himself (if he is indeed the Spiritual Core of the Iifa tree and thus created by Garland(?)) and in the end formed his own theory of his purpose?
No, I don't believe the True Form of the Iifa Tree theory. As has been said, "Merge Gaia with Terra" and "Return everything to the zero-world" are radically different purposes.
So thus far, Necron's still just a crappy cop-out that appears out of nowhere :(
Who knows? Maybe Garland controlled Necron in a way. But as you know, Garland died when Zidane entered the Crystal World. Necron then exagerated things, when he saw Kuja's actions. Only then. And he began to form his own theory instead of following Garland's.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReloadPsi
I don't believe he's an out-of-nowhere Final Boss. And even if he would be according to you, explain why the Iifa Tree died when Necron was defeated.
Well that I understand, but
doesn't mean two purposes: To cycle the souls blah blah blah AND return everything to the zero world. He said one. I recall the Iifa Tree's "cataclysmic destruction of Gaia" being mentioned elsewhere in the game, so what I also don't get is why the Iifa Tree doesn't take Gaia with it.Quote:
I exist for one purpose
I've been reading the plot analysis on GameFAQs, but the evidence supposedly presented throughout the game is all far too vague. The whole point of Sakaguchi's wish to "tell stories" should mean just that: We're supposed to be hearing/reading a story, not guessing one.
If the Iifa Tree theory is true then fair enough, but it means they've done a horrible job of telling the story: The idea that Necron was just some random dude out of nowhere was pretty much what we all saw when we in school (I was 16) finished the game for the first time and we panned the crap out of it for that reason. The evidence is there, but the evidence sucks and is too vague.
This does now answer my question though: Yes, apparently Necron is alluded to throughout the game, but they did a bad job of telling us.
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by ReloadPsi
Or maybe they didn't want to tell and leave him as a big question mark. This happened before, no? Does NeoExDeath ring a bell? He was even more sudden and unexplained than Necron (still loved him, though).
Either way, he was still an great Final Boss (IMHO) with some awesome music (IMO) and one hell of an annoying attack (Grand Cross).
I think it wouldn't have felt right if they just had let it end with Trance Kuja and it wouldn't feel right either if Kuja transformed again. So I was kinda glad Necron appeared (though I was spoiled, I knew he would appear).
I just interpreted NeoExDeath as another form of ExDeath, now with a slightly less poorly thought out cliché name than before.
I think it's pretty clear NeoExDeath was entirely different entity than ExDeath. ExDeath wanted power of the Void, but he certainly never wanted himself to disappear. NeoExDeath is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReloadPsi
"I am NeoExDeath. All memories... dimensions... existence... All that shall be returned to nothing. Then I too can disappear... Forever!!!"
Doesn't sound like ExDeath at all to me. It's more like the Void absorbed ExDeath and took his power to create a body for itself. That's what I believe anyway.
NeoExDeath was a combination of ExDeath and either Enuo or the Void itself, right?
I was expecting spoilers from Final Fantasy IX. Whatever. It's the nature of a Necron thread. Yeah. I didn't expect him either.
But NeoExDeath? I might as well not even finish Final Fantasy V now. It's been ruined for me. But yeah. I will anyway. Why? Because I can.
I laughed a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeromus_X
It's not just that "it wouldn't have felt right", but that "it wouln't make any sense". Before the fight against Super Trance Kuja, he said that the process of assimilation between Gaia and Terra already started, and he couldn't do anything to stop it, even if he tried. Meaning that killing him would NOT stop the process. It didn't depend of him anymore, but the tree itself(that was causing the assimilation).Quote:
Originally Posted by Elpizo
This is why we fight Necron. To kill the tree and save Gaia.
And seriously... Necron's theme is a remix of the Iifa Tree's theme, the tree dies after you kill him, he change between the colors(blue and red) of the two planets the tree is connected with, etc.
Stating that Necron don't have any connection with the tree, is simply ridiculous.
His original name is Exodus.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReloadPsi
I personally don't think Necron has any connection with the Iifa tree. When I first beat the game, like alot of other people, i thought he was random, came out of nowhere and was not needed.
But Necron's appearance makes perfect sense if you consider FFIX to be a culmination/tribute of all FF's in the truest sense of the term. In all of the even numbered FF's, something like this happens. in I the forces of theh planet are disappearing. In III and V, the void attempts to consume the world and reduce it into nothingness. in VII, the reaction to meteor initially tries to wipe everything out of existence. in VI the antagonist decides to do just that at the end and in X, which was in production at this time, one of the villains also wants to reduce everything to nothingness.
Also, in many of the games the "final boss" is replaced with a different final boss without much bearing on the story. Chaos, the Devil, Cloud of Darkness, Zeromus, Neo-XDeath.
Having beaten the other FF's Necron makes perfect sense to me.
Sort of. ExDeath, written in Japanese kana, romanises back as "e-ku-su-de-su".Quote:
Originally Posted by The Crystal
I'd hardly say that's ruined FFV's ending. All you've really learned is something that you likely knew already - that the final boss, the main villain of FFV, transforms into an even bigger, badder version of himself after you fight him. It's something of a recurring theme in the series:pQuote:
Originally Posted by The Ceej
FFV's ending is actually pretty fantastic, I can't recommend it highly enough. The game itself gets a few mixed reviews, but it's hard to fault its conclusion.
Yeah. And his name on the sound test is 'X-Death', so I'd say Exdeath is just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReloadPsiSort of. ExDeath, written in Japanese kana, romanises back as "e-ku-su-de-su".Quote:
Originally Posted by The Crystal
I always thought that Neo Exdeath was just Exdeath being consumed and combining with the Void to become a weird juxtoposition of random skeletons and women.
I laughed a lot, even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeromus_X
I'm happy you think my spelling mistakes are funny, but I don't think it's something that's really necessary to share in this thread. Thanks! ~ Zeromus
I'm positive Necron has no connection with the Tree. Just assuming it rethought its entire reason to exist after Garland died sounds a lot like making excuses to me.
I think he's some ancient being that has always held his radical beliefs, including the belief that life itself wants to be erased. When Kuja tries to destroy the Crystal, Necron believes that his views are confirmed and tries to blow it all up. Zidane and friends fight him and show enough strength to convince Necron that life isn't ready to be erased yet. He retreats back to wherever he was before, waiting until life wants to be destroyed.
Perhaps if you are referring to Necron as being tied to all forms of life due to playing a fairly big role in relation to the crystal, then yeah. But I don't see any way that he is directly connected to the Iifa Tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Crystal
It was stated in the game that the Iifa Tree's sole purpose was to transfer souls from Gaia to Terra. As well as it is said that Necron has one purpose, and that is to bring the universe back to the Zero world (before creation).
I think the whole argument about 'beating Necron, then the Iifa Tree dies, so they must be the same!' is just weak. There are other explanations for that (such as, you know... Kuja destroying pretty much all of Terra, or the fact that Garland and the Genomes' are unable to monitor and help the flow of souls from one world to the other).
This is not the ONLY argument you know. Read again the post you quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omecle
Then the tree would have died instantly after this.Quote:
There are other explanations for that (such as, you know... Kuja destroying pretty much all of Terra,
In the Crystal World, Kuja says that the process of assimilation between Gaia and Terra already started(by the tree). It don't need Garland or the Genomes to help it.Quote:
or the fact that Garland and the Genomes' are unable to monitor and help the flow of souls from one world to the other).
And i still want to know why some people say Necron retreats, after being defeated. It seemed to me that he was... blowing up, exploding, being completely and utterly destroyed.
It might have to do with him saying something along the lines of "I will always exist...so long as there is life and death" and then appearing to vanish into a dimensional rift after the party defeats him. I'm sure that being nucleified by the party may've injured him, of course, but he never actually dissolved into nothingness like all of the other final bosses.
Edit: Here it is, from Shotgunnova's Game Script:
Quote:
Necron: "This is not the end. I am eternal... ...as long as there is
life and death..."
I still don't see any kind of strong argument that the Iifa Tree is Necron.
As he's diminishing, he says that he'll never truly disappear as long as there is death and doubt in the world. Words to that effect, anyway. I figure Necron's like the counterbalance to the Crystal. The Crystal is the source of all life and spiritual energy, while Necron is the source of death and ending.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Crystal
I haven't completed FFIX in a while, so please correct me if I'm wrong... but after Necron is defeated, there's an FMV of his remains rising above the Tree and exploding, right? That explosion, combined with Kuja's Ultima and related antics, seem to be what killed off the Tree more than anything else.
I still don't think Necron was directly related to the Tree in any way. However, since the Tree was inextricably and powerfully tied to the cycles of life and death for Terra and Gaia, it seems logical that the events surrounding the Tree (like Kuja's attempt to destroy the Crystal) would draw Necron's attention.
Thats pretty deep
The last time I played this game I actually (for once) took into account everything to do with the main plot including all the technical bits and I still don't have the capability to explain anything. I'm still not aware that the Tree had any major purpose after the Mist disappeared
In Disc 4, the Mist reappears. The tree is going to be the catalyst for Terra's assimilation of Gaia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart's Friend Milhouse
It's the portal to Memoria that blows up, but it pretty much has the same effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
Necron being the "bizarro crystal" actually would make a lot of sense, but some of his lines imply that he is actually trying to help life, though. He says that in a world of nothing, there is no fear and that this is what all life desires.
I don't see Necron as inherently "evil", so I'd agree with you there. He seemed to believe genuinely that life was a self-defeating, self-terrorising process that led only to death anyway. If he is indeed the manifestation of ultimate lifelessness, then it'd be logical for him to think the universe would be better off without life.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unknown Guru
I cannot defeat Necron, I'm still weak I think... but I'm playing FFIX again and I will be more stronger than before. Anyway this is a splendid relationship between Necron and Iifa Tree if it is. I'm very excited this..Gosh, what a deep game more than seems...
I havent played the game in years but I do agree with the idea that he was alluded in several parts of the game because I remember thinking "what is he on about?".
However, its possible no one knew enough about Necron to say what it is nevermind who it is, only knowing its a powerful force. Its clear only a few knew of its existance and it might just be an excuse for bad storytelling. Whether or not it is, I dont think it matters much, after the "last battle" before Necron I didnt feel like I done anything great and it wasnt that hard at all, whereas Necron was a whole other (welcome) story in difficulty.
The idea that its neither good or evil, just existing, reminds me of the very last battle in FFX, only we know about that fella for a pretty long time and to kill him is the actual goal, he doesnt just appear. But neither where good or evil, they just existed for a purpose.
I'm totally agrre...When I saw the Necron I said "what the heck is that?" because, in early times in game you cannot hear his name..No one spells "Necron" no one time!! So, he is appeared suddenly and they(I mean square) said "This is your last boss in FFIX"...I was disappointing very much. Because, it is ridicuolusly strong, and I didn't hear his name after all!
In FFVII, we saw Sephiroth again and again, the fearful and insane ex-SOLDIER...So it is very exciting to play final boss...
In FFVIII, we heard about ultimecia and her time compression again and again and when I was in disc 4, I saw Ultimecia Castle and said "wow, what a castle for last episode!" and its very splendid to play and beat her...
In FFX, peoples babbling about Yu Yevon again and again (it was a pretty disappointment too, because, Yevon was telling us like a perfect exictence and I imagined that Yevon was pretty big and gorgeous...But he was an itsy-bitsy spider after all)...
In FFXII we saw and heard about Vayne Solidor and his evil genius.
BUT, in FFIX, Necron was comin like an unwanted guest...
As was mentioned previously in this thread (I don't remember by whom and can't be bothered to sift through again), the most blatant allusion to Necron's existence came from Doctor Tot when he explained that the summoners feared a power and sealed it.
I never put together any sort of direct connection the Iifa Tree, but I do agree with Big D's assessment that Necron was the antithesis of the crystal. That explanation always satisfied me, and I didn't feel a need to explore any more possible explanations for Necron's presence at the end of the game.
As far as the destruction of the Iifa Tree, I was under the impression that some of that was Kuja's doing. He did say he manipulated the Tree long enough for Zidane and friends to make their escape. Again, it's not something I really felt important enough to search for a deeper explanation.
I've just remembered something in the game. When you go to the Iifa Tree the first time Eiko says something along the lines of "The summoners sealed something powerful here." I'm not sure whether she meant Leviathan or perhaps was alluding to Necron. I can't remember exactly what she said though as I haven't played in ages.
But anything that they said about Necron they didn't spell Necron's name anytime, this is obvious...
Foreshadowing. Its means to give hints to future events. To me it would be odd if ANY of the characters knew Necron's name because how would they know, Necron has never been seen by any living human eyes at the time. What matters is theres many points where they tend to hint toward Necron...Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
The problem now comes whether you believe Squall of SeeD or the idea that Necron is the antitheses of the Crystal.
It was a good answer...But how they saw Necron even it has never been seen by any living human eyes?? Is Kuja's last magic, Ultima really killed them all? Sorry but please do not give any spoilers because I didn't beat the game, I stuck with Necron, the last boss...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoForeshadowing. Its means to give hints to future events. To me it would be odd if ANY of the characters knew Necron's name because how would they know, Necron has never been seen by any living human eyes at the time. What matters is theres many points where they tend to hint toward Necron...Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
The problem now comes whether you believe Squall of SeeD or the idea that Necron is the antitheses of the Crystal.
There's two different main theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great SephirothIt was a good answer...But how they saw Necron even it has never been seen by any living human eyes?? Is Kuja's last magic, Ultima really killed them all? Sorry but please do not give any spoilers because I didn't beat the game, I stuck with Necron, the last boss...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoForeshadowing. Its means to give hints to future events. To me it would be odd if ANY of the characters knew Necron's name because how would they know, Necron has never been seen by any living human eyes at the time. What matters is theres many points where they tend to hint toward Necron...Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
The problem now comes whether you believe Squall of SeeD or the idea that Necron is the antitheses of the Crystal.
Squall of SeeD's states Necron is the main core of the Iifa Tree. I'm most convinced by this one.
If you notice Garland states The only way to live in a world without fear is to live in a world where everything is dead. That is shockingly similar to what Necron states he must send everything to the Zero world (a world where there is no life). This seems to say their intentions we're the same making it highly possible Garland DID create Necron.
Now Garland states the main function of the core unit of the Iifa tree is to disrupt the Cycle of Souls occurring in Gaia. He says when you die, your soul returns to the land so life may continue, and the main unit is stopping this.
This would explain why when the characters are defeated they see Necron. Because Kuja really did kill them, and now they are up against the unit disrupting the cycle of souls. What makes this more convincing is the fact the location they are sent to (the Hill of despair) has the moaning of souls in the background.
The other theory is far less convincing to me. It states that Necron is either the Opposite of the Crystal and appears b/c the Crystal is destroyed -or- that Necron is the powerful figure that was sealed in the Crystal by the ancient Summoners, and escaped because this Crystal was destroyed.
I don't believe this theory because Necron says "I exist for one purpose... To return everything back to
the zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life. In
a world of nothing, fear does not exist. This is the world that all
life desires." Necron says "I need to destory the Crystal to stop life", which clearly contradicts this second theory.
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Originally Posted by GoldenbokoThere's two different main theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great SephirothIt was a good answer...But how they saw Necron even it has never been seen by any living human eyes?? Is Kuja's last magic, Ultima really killed them all? Sorry but please do not give any spoilers because I didn't beat the game, I stuck with Necron, the last boss...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoForeshadowing. Its means to give hints to future events. To me it would be odd if ANY of the characters knew Necron's name because how would they know, Necron has never been seen by any living human eyes at the time. What matters is theres many points where they tend to hint toward Necron...Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
The problem now comes whether you believe Squall of SeeD or the idea that Necron is the antitheses of the Crystal.
Squall of SeeD's states Necron is the main core of the Iifa Tree. I'm most convinced by this one.
If you notice Garland states The only way to live in a world without fear is to live in a world where everything is dead. That is shockingly similar to what Necron states he must send everything to the Zero world (a world where there is no life). This seems to say their intentions we're the same making it highly possible Garland DID create Necron.
Now Garland states the main function of the core unit of the Iifa tree is to disrupt the Cycle of Souls occurring in Gaia. He says when you die, your soul returns to the land so life may continue, and the main unit is stopping this.
This would explain why when the characters are defeated they see Necron. Because Kuja really did kill them, and now they are up against the unit disrupting the cycle of souls. What makes this more convincing is the fact the location they are sent to (the Hill of despair) has the moaning of souls in the background.
The other theory is far less convincing to me. It states that Necron is either the Opposite of the Crystal and appears b/c the Crystal is destroyed -or- that Necron is the powerful figure that was sealed in the Crystal by the ancient Summoners, and escaped because this Crystal was destroyed.
I don't believe this theory because Necron says "I exist for one purpose... To return everything back to
the zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life. In
a world of nothing, fear does not exist. This is the world that all
life desires." Necron says "I need to destory the Crystal to stop life", which clearly contradicts this second theory.
Okay, you explain it very well, perfectly. But i dont understand one thing: Why Necron wants to return everything to Zero World, why it wants to stop life???
Maybe because he followed Kuja around, and believed that Kuja represented what life wanted?
Necron never says "I need to destroy the crystal to save life." He believes that life leads to fear and ultimately suffering and that the only cure is total destruction. He thought life finally understood this when Kuja tried to destroy the Crystal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
Necron doesn't want to "stop" life; he wants to give it the world that he believes it desires.
No he does want to "stop life" what he believes will come after is different, but he clearly says "s "I exist for one purpose... To return everything back to the zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life." And thats straight from the game script.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unknown GuruNecron never says "I need to destroy the crystal to save life." He believes that life leads to fear and ultimately suffering and that the only cure is total destruction. He thought life finally understood this when Kuja tried to destroy the Crystal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
Necron doesn't want to "stop" life; he wants to give it the world that he believes it desires.
Here's what Garland has to say when Zidane talks to him on Terra:
Garland: "Are you referring to Kuja's ambition? Or to our plan to
disrupt the cycle of souls?"
Zidane: "Both! And what exactly do you gain by disrupting that cycle
of souls, or whatever..."
Garland: "We must sort the souls. I want to disrupt Gaia's cycle and
drain its souls, filling the void with the souls of Terra. To
speed the cycle of souls is to speed the work as a whole. Thus,
war... And in time... Gaia's souls are gone, and Gaia becomes
Terra."
Zidane: "But...how!?"
Garland: "You saw it with your own eyes. You saw the Iifa Tree and
the Mist it emits. The role of the Iifa Tree is that of Soul
Divider. The Mist you see comprises the stagnant souls of
Gaia..."
Zidane: "Oh yeah? But we stopped the Mist! So much for that!"
Garland: "All you saw was the back of the tree... Even now, the Iifa
Tree blocks the flow of Gaia's souls, while it lets those of
Terra flow freely. Come and see for yourself. See the true
form of this planet."
[In the next screen, Zidane sees a picture of Gaia starting to redden.]
Zidane: "What is this?"
Garland: "Think of it as an observatory. A place to measure the radiance
of Gaia and Terra."
Zidane: "What are you talking about? And what is this weird light?"
Garland: "That is the center of the planet. The end and the beginning
of the cycle of souls. The light remains Gaia's for now, but
when the blue changes to crimson, all will belong to Terra,
and its restoration will be complete. That is why I wrapped
up the light in the Iifa Tree, to prevent the cycle of the
judgment of souls on Gaia from inside the planet. Such is the
Iifa Tree's true purpose, its true form. All you saw was its
material form. The flow of Gaia's souls cannot be changed by
stopping the disposal of the Mist."
And here's what both Kuja and Necron say near the end of the game:
Kuja: "Hmph. You honestly think you can beat me? Even if you do, Gaia's
already doomed. Its assimilation by Terra has begun, and the Iifa
Tree will incite a cataclysmic destruction of Gaia. It's all over
for you and your friends. See. I win, either way."
Zidane: "It doesn't matter! Even if Gaia is assimilated, the planet
will remain, and we'll start over to make a new home. Kuja,
you're nothing but a coward! If you're gonna die, leave us out
of it!"
Kuja: "Why should the world exist without me? That wouldn't be fair.
If I die, we all die! Zidane, you will be my first sacrifice."
[A surprise attack by Deathguise occurs, but they kill that, too.]
Kuja: "How did they beat Deathguise...? Do you really think you can
beat me?"
[The party runs to Kuja.]
Kuja: "I can't believe you beat Deathguise... Well...my time is almost
up. Time to die, everyone!"
[The party beats Trance Kuja, too.]
Kuja: "Ugh... I'm gonna die anyway... I won't have to be afraid anymore...
But I'm not gonna die alone. You're all coming with me!"
[Kuja uses his Ultima Trance and knocks everyone out. The party wakes
up on some unfamiliar terrain.]
Zidane: "U-Ugh... What happened to the crystal...? ...Where is this?"
Voice: "You stand before the final dimension, and I am the darkness
of eternity..."
Zidane: "Wh-Who are you!?"
Voice: "All life bears death from birth. Life fears death, but lives
only to die. It starts with anxiety. Anxiety becomes fear. Fear
leads to anger...anger leads to hate...hate leads to suffering...
The only cure for this fear is total destruction. Kuja was a
victim of his own fear. He concluded he could only save himself
by destroying the origin of all things--the crystal."
Zidane: "What the heck are you talking about? Why are you telling me
all this?"
Voice: "...Now, the theory is undeniable. Kuja's actions prove it. All
things live to perish. At last, life has uncovered this truth.
Now, it is time to end this world."
Zidane: "Wh-What do you mean by that?"
Voice: "I exist for one purpose... To return everything back to the
zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life.
In a world of nothing, fear does not exist. This is the world
that all life desires."
Zidane: "Who the hell do you think you are!? You're not ending anything!
Never, not as long as we have the will to live!"
Voice: "Foolish creature... Your fears have already deluded you. One
day, you will choose destruction over existence, as Kuja did.
When he sought to destroy the crystal, the purpose of life ended.
Now, come... Enter the zero world that you desire."
Zidane: "No! We'll destroy you and prove you wrong! And through our
memories, future generations will see that we can overcome any
fear! ...We can't give up now. ...We have to fight together.
Even if we lose, it doesn't matter... Our memories will live
on inside others. So, even if we are born to die, I'm not
afraid. I'm gonna live!"
...
Zidane: "We've come too far to lose now. Let's just wrap this up
and go home...all of us."
Freya: "You don't stand a chance against us! We shall prevail!"
[The battle with the entity (Necron), and they lay a humanity-sized
smackdown on it.]
Necron: "Why defy your fate?"
[The party members teleport out of the Hill of Despair.]
Necron: "Is the will to live that powerful...?"
[Necron starts to go kaboom, crumbling.]
Necron: "This is not the end. I am eternal... ...as long as there is
life and death..."
Also from the game script: "All life bears death from birth. Life fears death, but lives only to die. It starts with anxiety. Anxiety becomes fear. Fear leads to anger...anger leads to hate...hate leads to suffering... The only cure for this fear is total destruction."Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoNo he does want to "stop life" what he believes will come after is different, but he clearly says "s "I exist for one purpose... To return everything back to the zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life." And thats straight from the game script.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unknown GuruNecron never says "I need to destroy the crystal to save life." He believes that life leads to fear and ultimately suffering and that the only cure is total destruction. He thought life finally understood this when Kuja tried to destroy the Crystal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
Necron doesn't want to "stop" life; he wants to give it the world that he believes it desires.
"In a world of nothing, fear does not exist. This is the world that all life desires."
I was just pointing out that technically he planned to end life. The said the world would be happier without it does not change the fact he wanted to end it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unknown GuruAlso from the game script: "All life bears death from birth. Life fears death, but lives only to die. It starts with anxiety. Anxiety becomes fear. Fear leads to anger...anger leads to hate...hate leads to suffering... The only cure for this fear is total destruction."Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenbokoNo he does want to "stop life" what he believes will come after is different, but he clearly says "s "I exist for one purpose... To return everything back to the zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life." And thats straight from the game script.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unknown GuruNecron never says "I need to destroy the crystal to save life." He believes that life leads to fear and ultimately suffering and that the only cure is total destruction. He thought life finally understood this when Kuja tried to destroy the Crystal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth
Necron doesn't want to "stop" life; he wants to give it the world that he believes it desires.
"In a world of nothing, fear does not exist. This is the world that all life desires."
Seriously? People believe that Necron is the Iifa Tree? No offense but the evidence for it seems to be a stretch of the imagination IMHO...
I'm with Big D on this one. Dr. Tot mentions "a great power sealed in the crystal" the murial on the wall in the summoners village relays the story as well... I figured the Summoners accidentally summoned Necron using all their power as well as the crystal and then sealed him again when they realized they couldn't control him. Ultimately, Necron can be thought of as the embodiment of Death as well as a clever tribute to the Cloud of Darkness from FFIII.
If you remember correctly, the Cloud of Darkness (Void) was a force of nature whose goal is to reduce everything to nothing... sounds like the Zero Wolrd to me;)
Well, if you say it like that it does. Its believe that Necron may be the core, that is used to stop the flow of souls, which seems to make sense seeing as when the party dies they show up in front of Necron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
That's one of the things that irritated me about this game. I finally defeat Kuja, think I'm actually finished the game, then suddenly this great big bleedin' monster pops out of somewhere in the plot and I have to fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReloadPsi
...They aren't talking about Alexander?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
The stories give the impression something "bad" was sealed. Though I doubt anyone would argue that Alexander isn't a "badass" after it's fight with Bahamut at least Alexander seemed like it can be controlled. Besides, Alexander was summoned with the help of only two shards of the crystal; Necron appears after the complete crystal is destroyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Crystal...They aren't talking about Alexander?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
Also to Boko... hey I'm allowed to be a serious asshole at least three times a year;)
But to counter, if Necron is believed to be the antithesis of the Crystal which is life. Then Necron can be thought of as an avatar of death thus dying of any sorts means you'll probably meet him. I seriously see no real in game evidence to suggest he's a core to the Iifa Tree.