Who is your favorite group of rebels who stood up to fight the establishment in the FF universe? Yeah I have a pretty good idea who will win but you have to say why they are the best as well...
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Who is your favorite group of rebels who stood up to fight the establishment in the FF universe? Yeah I have a pretty good idea who will win but you have to say why they are the best as well...
My god this day is happening.
THE ANSWER IS..
Avalanche.
I mean all anti-FF7 aside, if there was a perfect idea for a rebel group it'd be them.
Sorry Returners, Ya'll didn't blow things up to get your point across, talking doesn't always fix things you know~
FFX SpoilerLady Yuna & Co. after discovering the truth n.n
They're some kind of group...right?
Even though FFII is the only FF game I played and really, truly, hated, I'll say the rebels of FFII. It had the whole star wars edge to it. Plus it seemed more like an actual military resistance rather than a small underground organization that didn't do much (returners) or a terrorist group (avalanche). That adds legitimacy.
On a related note, what about the Al Bhed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baby Jessweeee♪
Where is Ramza's team? they are also fighting as resistance versus the Lucavi.
FFII
It was an organized rebellion group unlike the others, and actually had a believable amount of forces to aid them, not an unrealistic amount like seven or eight people. A whole village was supporting them, and the whole epic feel was great when you were assigned to missions and such.
Poor Returners.
They actually got :skull::skull::skull::skull: done. Unfortunately, AVALANCHE didn't seem to have done anything at all until Cloud showed up, and he's not even a member.
What anti-FF7?Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarice-ness
[levian]Hi, please don't double post. Use the edit button if you should have something to add. Hugs and kisses from Levian.[/levian]
I haven't made it all the way through FFII before, but the Returners were organized. They also had more than seven or eight people. They had plenty of nameless NPC's, not to mention the dozen or so characters you can get in the game. If it isn't obvious, I give the Returners the nod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazzard
Kanno, you're on a roll with these threads
AVALANCHE were definately some modern day revolutionaries. Returners were cool too.
But I gotta give it to the rebel forces in FFII. Also how it gets glorified in FFIX (33 small nations united together) it was really cool and for such a small game the idea of it all is very epic, plus the 3 main characters go from messenger-boys (& girl) to the commanders of the rebellion. Forget VI and VII, FFII should be remade on PS3!
The reason I didn't put the others is because most of them are not really organizations who wish to topple a specific establishment. Ramza is trying to stop the Lucavi whio are manipulating the Church and the War but it's never stated that Ramza is actually trying to topple the Glabadoes Church.
Yuna's group does have the issues with the Maester's after Seymoure is killed but that's more personal and it never felt like the other Measter's cared (until they stormed Bevelle and learned the truth a little) but once again like Ramza's team, Yuna and company never change their objective to actually toppling the powers that be. Yes they get rid of the Maester's, but as anyone who saw that scene knows, it was completely unintentional.
As for the Al Bhed, once again the Al Bhed never actually try to stop Bevelle through military force, they tried to end the racial hatred of their clan by using Machina to destryo Sin thus proving the Maester's wrong and gaining acceptance. They never actually plan a military campaign or actually speak about overthrowing the powers that be.
Basically it come down to the fact these games featured established rebel organizations with some military power or at least the power to actually do something. These groups have specific goals and were not formed accidentally in the course of the game cause the group just happened to stumble upon the truth. In hindsight though, I should have mentioned the Death Corps. from Tactics though;)
I haven't played that game, but it's my opinion anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22I haven't made it all the way through FFII before, but the Returners were organized. They also had more than seven or eight people. They had plenty of nameless NPC's, not to mention the dozen or so characters you can get in the game. If it isn't obvious, I give the Returners the nod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazzard
The rebels from FF2. They were the only ones who actually got round to defeating their intended target. All the others were either killed/someone else did it for them.
AVALANCHE because they were saving the planet, not destroying anything!
The Mako reactor at the start of the game disagrees with you. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Comet
Timber Owl's! The three member of it do so much rebel work ;)
Edited :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22The Mako reactor at the start of the game disagrees with you. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Comet
I look at it this way. There would be no FF universe without fans, so fans count as being part of the FF universe. And as part of that universe the establishment tells us that FF7 is the best through its many sequels/prequels/spinoffs. One can then argue that the people that speak out against the blatant FF7 fanboyism are a resistance movement and, as fans, are part of the FF universe. Therefore I believe the anti-fanboys are the best resistance group in the FF universe.
As for the military force part, believe me, we're working on it.
AVALANCHE!! They're just...better. :D What about Tantulas? They were theives, they resisted the law!
AVALANCHE were nothing until Cloud came, they were some clueless yolks who would of got killed in their first mako reactor DESTROY mission, if it weren't for that spikey blond kid.
Wedge was the only logical one!
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessweeee♪
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Griff
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No, mako reactors were killing the planet, guess you didn't follow the story very well were ya? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by CometEdited :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22The Mako reactor at the start of the game disagrees with you. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Comet
The Timber Owls cracked me up
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Originally Posted by Avarice-ness
I am shocked! When I first saw your post I was sure you'd pick the Returners. xD
Anyways, either Avalanche or the Returners, I really can't decide.
I like the FFVII Rebels but VI is close 2nd.
The Resturners, as they were actually rebelling well, AVALANCHE was a good one, too.
I think that the Returners also had a sizeable amount of support for them as well. Figaro, at least, was backing them and I'm sure there would be support for them in the other towns that were occupied by the Empire. Then there's the main characters and the Espers which all join forces against the Empire, so I say them.
WTF? The Marquis's Resistance armies! Not only did they have the support of anyone who wasn't Archadian (besides the neutral sides i.e. Viera), but they had a massive rebel fleet that was capable of rivaling the majestic Archadian armadas.
The Returners, but I might be a tiny bit partial.
Avalanche. Not the one of the original game, but the one of Before Crisis.
That Avalanche was badass. A huge army(almost the same size of Shinra), with warriors, monsters, robots, many Materias, cientists, bases across the world, their own version of SOLDIER(the Ravens), and the woman leader, that could probably fight against Sephiroth(or survive him at least). And the group/army was being sponsored by (SPOILER)Rufus Shinra himself.
And they are so hardcore. They do everything possible to destroy Shinra and save the planet, reaching the point of (SPOILER)trying to use the Junon Cannon to destroy Midgar and everyone in it., and many other horrible things.