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I want Obama to win for the democrats and then become president. Firstly, he didnt support the war and he also seems to have a lot of integrity and intelligence. By contrast, Hillary doesn't seem very trustworthy to me and she supported the war. Edwards is more of an unknown quantity for me.
Thats how I feel from England.
As far as dems go, I think I like Obama too. Hilary is just... no.
Obama. Sounds a bit like "Osama".
Conspiracy? YOU DECIDE.
^I think the probability that he changed his name is very high. Its highly likely that he is in fact a Muslim terrorist who is going to blow up all of America if he reaches the Presidency. As Americans, it is your sworn duty to stop this terrorist threat! :rolleyes:
Lol, I just found this link:
Barack Obama: EXPOSED! - FREE Report
^Stuff like that makes me laugh.
Uh, none of them. I support a republican :p
GO NADER
The one that wins the primary. Any of them are better than the alternative.
I was gonna do a Republican poll as well, but the stupid forums wouldnt let me. :(
I hope someone crap wins the Republican vote. You know, someone like Bush. Although if they could vote for him, Bush would probably still somehow win. >_>
If I were told to pick a Republican to win the elections though, Id probably go for McCain.
Why not pick a republican that isn't crap. Like the one I mentioned 8)
McCain or Paul are the best Republicans in the field imo. I just don't see a republican wining this time. I hate Hillary and I so do not want her to win.
70% Bill Richardson
64% Barack Obama
62% Rudy Giuliani
62% Hillary Clinton
62% John Edwards
61% John McCain
59% Mike Huckabee
58% Mitt Romney
58% Tom Tancredo
57% Chris Dodd
51% Fred Thompson
50% Mike Gravel
50% Joe Biden
47% Ron Paul
43% Dennis Kucinich
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Go figure. And go Bill, I guess?
Ron Paul believes some pretty crazy :skull::skull::skull::skull:, in addition to being more libertarian than Republican and by that standard having little concept of bipartisan compromise. Withdrawal from the UN and NATO? No income tax, and a flat tax on goods? No federal support for abortion?
Plus there's the fact that he has almost no chance of winning against someone who so strongly appeals to the typical conservative population, like Huckabee.
I did that test...
Pick Your 2008 Candidate For PresidentThere is a wealth of information out there on these candidates. Be an informed voter in 2008!
Your Results:
94% Mike Gravel
94% Dennis Kucinich
83% Barack Obama
82% John Edwards
79% Hillary Clinton
79% Chris Dodd
78% Joe Biden
74% Bill Richardson
37% Rudy Giuliani
27% Ron Paul
24% John McCain
19% Mike Huckabee
19% Mitt Romney
16% Tom Tancredo
7% Fred Thompson
I had difficulty finding the right answer to some of those questions, but you'll never guess which party Im supporting.
McCain? Serious? That guy's kind of a warmonger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bert
Like, I used to think he had some pretty good ideas, but in the past few years he's really been on the warpath.
Given the opportunity I'd vote for Paul in the primaries (I'm not sure how that'd work given my living situation) but I'm fairly doubtful of him getting through to candidacy. I don't support many of the current front-runner republicans because some of them are crazy. That's politics for you, though.
^Is McCain really on the war path?
What did he say?
I dont like warmongers. Most of them smell of fish anyway.
I can't think of any particulars off the top of my head (he's had a lot that were pro-Iraq and I believe he's a supporter of invading Iran as well). He said he wouldn't mind if American forces had to be stabilizing Iraq for the next 100 years.
The weird thing about him is that he was a POW and seems to speak out against the harshness and cruelty of war while also seeming to enforce the idea of America as a type of world police.
Barack Obama. Unless further research turns me against him, Barack Obama pretty much has my vote. And yes, I can vote this election, I turn 18 over the summer! I'm so happy!
Also, though this shouldn't sway anyone, and it's not why I support him, Barack Obama is kind of cute, a young presidential JFK kind of way. He seems so... JOVIAL. :kaoclove:
http://www.nationalclergycouncil.org...al%20small.jpg
87% Dennis Kucinich
86% Mike Gravel
81% Barack Obama
80% Chris Dodd
76% John Edwards
75% Hillary Clinton
75% Joe Biden
75% Bill Richardson
41% Rudy Giuliani
35% John McCain
34% Ron Paul
26% Mike Huckabee
25% Mitt Romney
16% Tom Tancredo
15% Fred Thompson
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
Go Kucinich!
I'm with Obama.
For the GOP, Paul.
McCain is a hamster.
John McCain is cool because his name is alomst John McCLAIN! And Die Hard is awesome!
But for the Dems I would go for Obama.
89% Barack Obama
88% John Edwards
84% Hillary Clinton
83% Chris Dodd
82% Bill Richardson
80% Joe Biden
74% Dennis Kucinich
73% Mike Gravel
52% Rudy Giuliani
43% John McCain
35% Mitt Romney
33% Mike Huckabee
24% Tom Tancredo
23% Fred Thompson
15% Ron Paul
Interesting. I like Obama anyway, so I s'pose that's understandable. But I don't really care that much, to be honest. :D
Haha, its ironic that straight after asking that question, I was watching some guy on the news saying that McCain was too bent on war. I guess I wouldnt support him. I dont think I could ever support a republican anyway. Unless he were a democrat in disguise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hsu
I'm supporting Obama all the way.
Poll needs "undecided" option; "other" just doesn't cut it.
According to one internet survey I took, I agree 91% with Dennis Kucinich, 83% with John Edwards, and 82% with Barack Obama. Considering Kucinich won't get the nomination, I'm currently undecided, other than knowing that I'll vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, in November. Not like my vote would make much difference, since New York is historically a blue state anyway. But it gives me the right to complain.
I prefer Edwards but Obama is ok. Hillary and her pro war stance until recently makes me want to puke, but between her and a Bush heir, it's gonna be her.
I support Obama, but I know my vote wont make a difference if Hillary gets the nomination. New York loves her too much.
Um... do you live in New York? Because I don't know anyone here who likes Hillary... xDQuote:
Originally Posted by qwertyxsora
Yup, I'm in New York. Upstate supports her a lot. Back in 2000 she went around towns for the Senate elections. She goes after the people who don't vote, and convinces them to vote for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeUm... do you live in New York? Because I don't know anyone here who likes Hillary... xDQuote:
Originally Posted by qwertyxsora
Well, that's because Upstate is an alternate dimension. D:
At the risk of making myself rather unpopular... Actually that's sounds a bit arrogant by assuming I'm popular to begin with.
At the risk of damaging any potential to become popular that I may have, of the realistic candidates I wouldn't mind Clinton or, if not, Edwards. Obama strikes me as being too much style and little substance, a little similar to David Cameron this side of the pond. I'm sure Obama's a decent enough guy and good at connecting with people, but if I were voting in the primary, it wouldn't be for him. If I were to go for candidates regardless of their chances, then Kucinich or Gravel would rank ahead of Clinton.
For that quiz:
82% John Edwards
81% Hillary Clinton
81% Barack Obama
80% Dennis Kucinich
79% Mike Gravel
76% Chris Dodd
74% Joe Biden
71% Bill Richardson
45% Rudy Giuliani
33% John McCain
27% Mitt Romney
25% Mike Huckabee
21% Tom Tancredo
16% Fred Thompson
11% Ron Paul
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
^That is a fair point. Although I always think there are far more opportunities to criticise Cameron whereas I agree with Obama on a lot of stuff. Also, Obama hasnt really made any proper mistakes so far, as far as I know.
I guess what really impressed me about Obama was the way he explained his thought processes. Also, he seems to give a very fair representation of other people's views, even when he disagrees with them. I just hope that all his idealism isnt just for show and that all his policies aren't just found in speeches.
Anyway, Im convinced Obama will win. Mainly due to this alliance: YouTube - Obama Girl Returns for Iowa! (Why Obama Won)
The quiz nailed my preferences fairly well, though the questions weren't really that great.
93% Barack Obama
92% Hillary Clinton
91% John Edwards
91% Chris Dodd
86% Joe Biden
83% Mike Gravel
82% Dennis Kucinich
80% Bill Richardson
46% Rudy Giuliani
28% John McCain
28% Tom Tancredo
26% Mitt Romney
23% Mike Huckabee
15% Ron Paul
12% Fred Thompson
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
I really like Obama, but there's a pretty recognizable trend with a lot of his supporters: they like him but couldn't really give you many reasons. The similarity drawn to JFK is actually a good one--simply, he inspires a lot of people.
Since I haven't devoted myself to hours of research on each candidate, I'll be thrilled to support anyone who is socially liberal and at least economically moderate. I liked Biden and was disappointed when he dropped out. Whoever wins the primary, I can see Edwards being on the ticket, either as president or vice president--the Dems will need probably need a southern liberal.
Isn't Ron Paul and Huckabee both kinda bat:skull::skull::skull::skull: crazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar
For the democrats I am torn between Obama and Clinton so I'm just gonna go ahead and say Edwards. For Republicans, I like John McCain. Why? Cause he was on Conan O'Brien and was hilarious.
Huckabee was a southern baptist televangelist, so imo yeah, he's bat:skull::skull::skull::skull: crazy too. :p But it's the kind of bat:skull::skull::skull::skull: crazy that appeals to 30% or more of the population.
He doesn't seem that crazy when you put him into context! (i.e. arkansas)
Hahaaa...Huckabee sure is crazy!
Crazy in a nice way. But he's not the kind of person you want running for Presidency.
I need to find out more about Ron Paul.
I'm the only person who I've seen take that test who didn't come out with a huge block of blue, then a huge block of red. You all are way too partisan!Didn't you say she was right-wing? And I thought you were a socialist trade unionist kinda guy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Heath
No, see I was wrong and that one guy who said she was a communist was right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
As I said, I'd prefer the more lefty Kucinich but he's never going to win. So y'know, best of the bad bunch again. You do realise I support Labour as they're the best of a bad bunch, right? xD
Obama kissed my niece. He's a pedo!
I don't know how any party which has Hazel Blears as a member can be considered the best of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heath
You Obama supporters are freaking nuts. He doesn't DO anything. He's never DONE anything. Edwards is where it's at. I'll never understand why so many people in my age bracket support Obama.
Fair point. But to balance it out at least they don't have George Galloway or Clare Short any more. Still got John Prescott though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
90% Chris Dodd
87% Hillary Clinton
86% Barack Obama
83% John Edwards
80% Joe Biden
73% Mike Gravel
71% Dennis Kucinich
71% Bill Richardson
58% Rudy Giuliani
44% John McCain
36% Tom Tancredo
35% Mike Huckabee
34% Mitt Romney
28% Ron Paul
21% Fred Thompson
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
I'm an Obama person myself, because you could do worse. For the Republicans, McCain is gold.
Yeah, he is my senator and has mostly voted to appease and brown nose :mad: But Hillary is worse, he at least has the excuse he is new and "can't make waves".Quote:
Originally Posted by fire_of_avalon
Edwards is a lot better than those two. I wish al Gore would run :(
Obama is who I will support in the general election but until then it is all about Dennis Kucinich :D
ooh I just took this
83% Hillary Clinton
83% Barack Obama
82% Chris Dodd
81% John Edwards
75% Dennis Kucinich
74% Mike Gravel
73% Joe Biden
73% Bill Richardson
53% Rudy Giuliani
41% John McCain
34% Mike Huckabee
33% Mitt Romney
32% Tom Tancredo
26% Ron Paul
19% Fred Thompson
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^-^
Edit: And Rye, I agree xD Obama IS kinda cute. For a presidential candidate anyway :p
He makes me feel hopeful. I'm not even American and I think the guy would be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by fire_of_avalon
And to say he's never done anything is very silly. If he did nothing he wouldn't have made it to state legislature, nevermind the Senate, and he would have been torn to shreds by his colleagues also running by now.
Well, here's me results.
81% Chris Dodd
76% Barack Obama
76% Bill Richardson
74% Hillary Clinton
73% John Edwards
71% Joe Biden
68% Mike Gravel
66% Dennis Kucinich
57% Rudy Giuliani
52% John McCain
43% Mike Huckabee
41% Mitt Romney
32% Ron Paul
30% Tom Tancredo
28% Fred Thompson
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
I barely even know anything about Dodd.
And Obama all the way.
YouTube - "I Got a Crush...On Obama" By Obama Girl
Edit:
Also, for the one who said Obama hasn't done anything,
Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Wiki
So yes, he actually has done some noteable things.
Although I don't particular care about the whole cops Identifying the races they pull over thing, but meh.
Obama is the Antichrist.
Do it for the controversy.
what's kucinich's platform?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/op...in&oref=slogin
This article is kinda interesting if you stop reading it right before it mentions Hilary Clinton.
Ah man, and I thought I was the Antichrist.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
:(
you're an alternate dimension. D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rye
qwertyxsora: I'm from upstate and I didn't vote for Hillary 2 years ago! I voted for Howie Hawkins, the Green Party candidate, in protest of Hillary!
You're a leaf peeper. <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Denmarkyou're an alternate dimension. D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rye
qwertyxsora: I'm from upstate and I didn't vote for Hillary 2 years ago! I voted for Howie Hawkins, the Green Party candidate, in protest of Hillary!
And I might become a Masshole, if I get into BU. :love:
Yay green! I really don't like Hillary's platform, but she is actually a pretty nice person as far as politicians go. But even she is better than bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denmarkyou're an alternate dimension. D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rye
qwertyxsora: I'm from upstate and I didn't vote for Hillary 2 years ago! I voted for Howie Hawkins, the Green Party candidate, in protest of Hillary!
It's funny because half (though it's probably more) the people that say they're going to vote for Obama probably won't over something as insignificant as race and/or religion whether they care to admit it, or not. Rest assured it's probably the same case with Clinton, but with the gender aspect. With that said, I'd vote for Stephen Colbert. :freak:
I don't really know enough about any of the candidates from the democratic party to answer your question. All I know is that I want a democrat to be the next president.
EDIT: Took the test thing, and apparently I'm all about John Edwards..
85% John Edwards
84% Hillary Clinton
84% Barack Obama
80% Mike Gravel
80% Dennis Kucinich
80% Chris Dodd
77% Joe Biden
75% Bill Richardson
43% Rudy Giuliani
29% John McCain
28% Tom Tancredo
26% Mitt Romney
21% Mike Huckabee
17% Ron Paul
12% Fred Thompson
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
Didn't see this yesterday...somehow XDQuote:
Originally Posted by RenmiriYeah, he is my senator and has mostly voted to appease and brown nose :mad: But Hillary is worse, he at least has the excuse he is new and "can't make waves".Quote:
Originally Posted by fire_of_avalon
Edwards is a lot better than those two. I wish al Gore would run :(
Obama has done plenty as some else has stated. He has gotten funding for E85 fuel which helps the Illinois economy due to all of our corn production, worked extensivily on immigration reform, submitted bills about corporate funding and lots of other stuff. True he has not been as active as I would like but between being a newbie and taking a shot at the presidency, I don't really blame it.
I also think he has done plenty here when he was a state senator as mentioned above.
BTW...I also wish Al Gore would have run and I do like Edwards as well. Just not as much as Obama. I remember Edwards in the 2004 vice presidential debate against Cheney and Edwards got owned...bad.
I once went on the internets, it made me sad.
I dont even know 75% of the people on the list, doing that quiz is like doing a quiz on: What FF character are you? when youve never played the game..
it would mean exactly.. squab!! *jumps from behind couch*
Damn! Hillary won in NH.
The stupid people fell for her crocodile tears.
I just remembered I put "Don't care" for most of my answers and came up with Obama.
Is that really a good thing? :D
My boyfriend and I stayed up late last night talking about how much we like Barack Obama. :kaoclove:
Okay, first of all, I'm not supporting any democrat. I can't freaking stand any of the candidates so far, including Republicans, but especially the Democrats.
I'm with Allie on this one, more or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubah
OMG, Ron Paul ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poetically PatheticOkay, first of all, I'm not supporting any democrat. I can't freaking stand any of the candidates so far, including Republicans, but especially the Democrats.
I'm with Allie on this one, more or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubah
Gotta admit he has a silver tongue and says stuff that appeals even to me nowadays, but he is bat :skull::skull::skull::skull: insane!!! Have you seen his 1990 mailings to his base ? He is more homophobic than Pat Robertson and more racist than David Duke!
Angry White Man
Quote:
In June 1991, an entry on racial disturbances in Washington, DC's Adams Morgan neighborhood was titled, "Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo." "This is only the first skirmish in the race war of the 1990s," the newsletter predicted. In an October 1992 item about urban crime, the newsletter's author--presumably Paul--wrote, "I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming." That same year, a newsletter described the aftermath of a basketball game in which "blacks poured into the streets of Chicago in celebration. How to celebrate? How else? They broke the windows of stores to loot." The newsletter inveighed against liberals who "want to keep white America from taking action against black crime and welfare," adding, "Jury verdicts, basketball games, and even music are enough to set off black rage, it seems."...
Commenting on a rise in AIDS infections, one newsletter said that "gays in San Francisco do not obey the dictates of good sense," adding: "[T]hese men don't really see a reason to live past their fifties. They are not married, they have no children, and their lives are centered on new sexual partners." Also, "they enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick."
The rhetoric when it came to Jews was little better. The newsletters display an obsession with Israel; no other country is mentioned more often in the editions I saw, or with more vitriol. A 1987 issue of Paul's Investment Letter called Israel "an aggressive, national socialist state," and a 1990 newsletter discussed the "tens of thousands of well-placed friends of Israel in all countries who are willing to wok [sic] for the Mossad in their area of expertise." Of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, a newsletter said, "Whether it was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little."
I heard that Ron Paul is a big hit with Libertarians and internet folk.
I'm leaning over towards Obama I turn 18 this year and this would be my first election. I was thinking that Hilary would win in the end, but then I saw that speech when she started crying and I decided that I'll vote for Obama. There are some controversy on him as he refused to pledge to the flag and that he's a muslim, but I say forget that I lived with a muslim before and this country was created for religious freedom.
Then there's my people who think he's not black enough that to me I don't care I know he's not 100% black as he's mulatto, but I'll still vote for him.
75% Hillary Clinton
72% Chris Dodd
71% John Edwards
70% Barack Obama
67% Joe Biden
59% John McCain
59% Rudy Giuliani
59% Bill Richardson
52% Dennis Kucinich
52% Mike Gravel
52% Mitt Romney
50% Tom Tancredo
46% Mike Huckabee
39% Fred Thompson
35% Ron Paul
What?
1) I believe it was his refusal to wear a lapel pin of the American flag. Kind of a protest of sorts as it shouldn't matter that he isn't wearing the pin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
2) He isn't Muslim either. He is a Christian.
He didn't refuse to pledge allegience to the flag; he refused to wear an abused and meaningless symbol to highlight how empty the notion of patriotism has become. He is not Muslim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
If their criteria is anything other than 'Do I agree with this person on enough issues?' and 'Is this person competent enough to get those issues seen to?' they do not deserve the vote.Quote:
Then there's my people who think he's not black enough that to me I don't care I know he's not 100% black as he's mulatto, but I'll still vote for him.
Edit: Oh, and I can't believe how many people fell for Clinton's QQ lies.
Oh god, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
Hillary won? No way, can't be..
I like Hilary and Barack, so I assume that's who I would support. I don't know about the rest, though.
Oh, and I took that quiz. It's amazing how I went from John Edwards to Hilary Clinton in twenty four hours.
88% Hillary Clinton (D)
85% Barack Obama (D)
83% John Edwards (D)
83% Chris Dodd (D)
73% Bill Richardson (D)
72% Joe Biden (D)
61% Rudy Giuliani (R)
60% Dennis Kucinich (D)
60% John McCain (R)
58% Mike Gravel (D)
48% Mitt Romney (R)
45% Mike Huckabee (R)
41% Tom Tancredo (R)
35% Fred Thompson (R)
19% Ron Paul (R)
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
barack obama all the frekin way man
Hilary sucks at singing, though :p
Well, most of the people in the comments believe that that particular article was just some well-timed mudslinging, and paul has responded on his site about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RenmiriOMG, Ron Paul ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poetically PatheticOkay, first of all, I'm not supporting any democrat. I can't freaking stand any of the candidates so far, including Republicans, but especially the Democrats.
I'm with Allie on this one, more or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubah
Gotta admit he has a silver tongue and says stuff that appeals even to me nowadays, but he is bat :skull::skull::skull::skull: insane!!! Have you seen his 1990 mailings to his base ? He is more homophobic than Pat Robertson and more racist than David Duke!
Angry White Man
I will probably be voting for Edwards in the primary come March. He's got a lot of good ideas, he just doesn't talk about them enough because he wants to get that feeling of "us against the world" and stuff. He needs to stop saying the same thing over and over again and start talking about his politics, which I tend to agree with.
When Obama wins the nomination, I will be voting for him, because he inspires in that same JFK-type mold. Edwards will almost assuredly be his running mate.
The Republicans are entertaining merely to see Paul as the lone voice of reason amongst a bunch of old crotchety white guys. But libertarianism is as impractical and against human nature as communism, but people don't seem to realize this. Paul is entertaining because he speaks out for issues that real candidates are afraid to, but he's nothing more than that. And yeah, tends to be bat:skull::skull::skull::skull: insane.
I think he's fairly popular among the pothead demographic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tavrobel
He wants to end birthright citizenship which imho just makes him an ass. A big big ass. He has plenty of other really stupid ideas. So many of the GOP candidates are INSANE! Except McCain. I may not agree with McCain about certain things but he seems the most sane out of all of 'em. Plus he's cute old grandpa and I want to give him a hug.
His contention with jus soli from what I understand is that it creates a phenomenon which he terms "anchor babies", meaning INS is reluctant to deport illegals because they don't want to break up families. I have to agree with him. The Fourteenth Amendment (1868) wasn't ratified in light of the welfare state and the level of immigration we see today. It makes sense to rethink the idea of birthright citizenship. In fact, most other Western nations have a modified version of jus soli requiring either outright citizenship on behalf of the parent or at the very least the ability to claim residency for "x" number of years ("x" being the figure as determined by legislation).
As far as Libertarianism being against human nature, it's no more true than a Republic being for human nature. We have to be careful what we term "human nature". Just saying it doesn't make it so.
I really don't see Edwards winning for the democrats. Its either gonna be Hillary or Obama. So, while I would have seriously considered supporting Edwards, I think it would be a waste. Ill be really annoyed if Hillary wins because people voted for Edwards instead of Obama.
If Edwards were to drop out, I think that would give a significant boost to Obama's chances, since from what I know most Edwards supporters support Obama second.
Oh, and who the hell edited my title?
Well... dunno. If someone publishes this kind of shiite under my name for years and I don't notice or stop it... Does Paul really have the attention span and competence to be president ? We all know full well what happens when presidents don't read and let their subordinates run amok. We've been living it the last 8 years. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by rubah
I don't see anything wrong with anchor babies. Nothing at all. My cousin was an anchor baby. Her mom spent a good chunk of her savings and a year of her time in order to come to America, without the rest of her family or husband, and live here long enough to give birth to my cousin so that she would be an American citizen. She wanted her daughter to have a better life than she had in Korea. There's nothing wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
I have a different view on immigration than a lot of people.
Also, a wall will do NOTHING to stop the tide of immigration. Idiots.
I would say that with the absence of government intervention, you have situations in which worker's rights would be basically trampled over because the government wouldn't do anything about it. You get into arguments at what rights the government should and shouldn't be protecting. Worker's rights aren't guaranteed in the Constitution, but I believe that they're mighty important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
In a situation with economic disparity, a system like libertarianism would exacerbate the problem. Whether you feel that the economic disparity in the US is a problem, I suppose, is up for the individual to decide. People do not all strive for the common good, and I feel that, in order to make a nation as efficient and economically sound, you have to have government intervention to prevent certain things.
I wouldn't say that Republics are *for* human nature, by any stretch, but the checks and balances in place are at least intended to help prevent the corruption that unchecked individuals in the world feel entitled to.
I like Obama's policies on immigration. He thinks that there should be enforcements on laws against illegal immigrants, but at the same time, many more people should be able to qualify to come to the US as legal immigrants, which is something I really agree with. The reason there's so many illegal immigrants is because it's such a difficult process to come over as a legal immigrant.
The problem isn't with residents giving birth and the state automatically granting citizenship to the child. Illegal immigrants who bypass the laws of this country to get in give birth in this country and then the state will rethink its position on immigration because of the new reality. I'm a first generation American. My parents had already been in this country for almost fifteen years before my mother gave birth to me. They had an investment here, so it makes sense that their children be bestowed citizenship upon birth. I have a huge problem with illegal immigrants breaking laws and then thinking that giving birth in this country is their ticket in. Something has to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
Better border security as enforced by the states who occupy said borders will help. We can't be complacent. Everyone shouldn't be welcome.
As far as workers' rights and unions go. I don't trust the government anymore than I trust corporations.
Birthright citizenship is not the major issue with immigration policies. And I admit that I don't understand the full story regarding birthright citizenship and immigration policies regarding those families with mixed legal status. But from reading and watching various case studies, there have been PLENTY of cases where families with children who have legal citizenship are still forced out of the country. So children with legal status does not automatically guarantee any sort of "safe" legal status for the parents. To fixate on birthright citizenship as a major factor in illegal immigration is stupid and doesn't make any sense.
If we're gonna build a fence or wall or whatever along the Mexican/US border, than we should do the same for Canada. I don't have my notes with me on this computer, but I do have statistics that show that illegal immigration from Canada into the US is significant as well. But people just don't care about illegal Canadian immigrants. Why? Who knows. Race, background, social class, whatever.
Also, if we want to curb illegal immigration, maybe US businesses should stop SENDING OUT recruiters into Mexico and Latin America who actively seek out workers for jobs that most Americans refuse to do such as work on chicken slaughterhouses and other such difficult and dirty work. People assume that people from Mexico or Guadalajara just happen to wander over one day and decide to stay. No. One of the reasons they come is because people from the US come into their country and tell them that they can get good work in the US.
No, I don't think everyone should be allowed to come over freely. But it seems to me that people who talk about building a wall really have no clear understanding about the reasons behind immigration and the fact that it's both a pull and a push. Americans invite immigrants (regardless of legal status) into the country for their labor and then try to push to push 'em out again once they start building families here. Do people really think that a wall is going to keep a husband from finding his way to America where his wife is working as a domestic house worker? Or parents from making their way over cause their children aren't getting enough food in their country of origin? Pfft.
Boooo democrats.
You sicken me.
But you're not actually keeping out anyone unwelcome with the current system. Far better to have an easier, cheaper, more accepting legal system so that the people who you don't want have a much harder time blending in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
Then again, the idea that immigration can legitimately be illegal is alien to me.
why shouldn't everyone be welcome? I think I have to agree with MILF about the concept of illegal immigration. It's just weird.
I'm leaning on Obama or Hilary but have been wanting Obama to win. I've seen a few campaigns of his and they r pretty good i'd have to go with him.
I haven't really been following the Democratic race. I think the main reason for that is because i know that, while i might not consider myself a democrat, they more closely represent my views more frequently than republicans, and I feel that it would be less dangerous globally to have a non-republican, no matter the case. of course i'll do my research when the time comes, though.
I have, however, been following the Republican race and it is actually quite interesting. On the FOXNews debate last night, viewers voted that they felt Ron Paul won the debate, and I find that amazing. He seemed to be the only one up there getting considerable applause after every comment (save when Bret Hume acted like a douche to him). Although many of his ideas appeal to me, overall my views consider the libertarian approach to be inappropriate. Although i do agree that we should distance ourselves for Isael, as it is at least one of the top 3 reasons (and at most the #1 reason) why so much hatred in the Middle East is directed towards us.
I'm troubled at the fact that immigration is even a contentious issue right now. I honestly don't see any problem that it poses that couldn't be remedied by allocating the tremendous amounts of money we give to projects that will never yield anything to the military and NASA. Don't get me wrong, i believe in an overwhelming defense, but the statistics on money going over there for said projects is infuriating. There's enough of the pie to go around, and our diversity in America is directly corollated to our ability to adapt.
Who the smurf left the EoEO gate open? Now the srs bzns threads are getting out! >:(
I was thinking that I was going to vote for Clinton then I remembered that she made some legislation on video games a while back, so I won't now. I support Obama he just won SC didn't he?
Okay, the military thing is crazy, but NASA? NASA gets $17bil per year to get to the moon. There are private companies that spend more than that on marketing. NASA does not get 10% of the budget it needs, or deserves. As for never yielding results... yeah, no NASA, no computers. No military, no internet. No military, no microwave ovens. No NASA, no ready meals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
This has been in the works since they deleted EotW.Quote:
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He did, by an overwhelming margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
There's a difference between supporting the war and supporting supporting the troops in what they feel to be correct as well.
My brother in laws in the military and he feels what he did there and the things we brought to them are something that he will feel proud of and support. I don't see Clinton blindly throwing people into war if the general military don't approve, Democrats are known for being pretty war-laid back and if she had veiws that war is the only way to secure our line of safety, well then she's more moderate than democrat and should have had her own stupid party.
I normally vote Democrat, but if it's Obama versus McCain (sp) I'll vote McCain, I'd rather have a man who's have vast military experience and long term government action over someone who seems to have integrity and inteligence.
McCain may be a rublican, but I don't see him throwing people into war either, due to the fact he's experienced war first hand (vietnam) and was a POW in the war as well. I guess I'd just assume he'd would know how to handle what the past 8 years have gotten us into better than anyone else.
Either way, I don't really find any of the democratic canidates to be something of worth to run the country.
I'd walk through fire to keep Hilary Clinton out of office.
Edwards isn't all too impressive either.
I guess Obama. I'm not a democrat though.
I would never vote for a Democrat, but of the major candidates, Obama would be the one least likely to implement universal health care. With Hillary we're pretty much screwed in that regard.
I think that's partly because (proportionately) more people are openly cynical about British politics than American politics in their respective countries. You'd never get a British politician talking in idealistic terms except on fairly rare occasions (Blair at the 1994 Labour conference, for instance), without people either point blank refusing to accept it or people taking the piss out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
I absolutely agree with you that much of NASA's projects have spun-off into many of the inventions that we take for granted today. However, some of its most dedicated enthusiasts will smilingly tell you that it wastes alot of money. Not everything it does is in vain, but I'm sure there's plenty of money that could use some re-allocating into more useful things.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILFOkay, the military thing is crazy, but NASA? NASA gets $17bil per year to get to the moon. There are private companies that spend more than that on marketing. NASA does not get 10% of the budget it needs, or deserves. As for never yielding results... yeah, no NASA, no computers. No military, no internet. No military, no microwave ovens. No NASA, no ready meals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
I am still gonna vote for Kucinich even though he is out of the race now. I live in Illinois and Obama is my #2 but he is leading in IL something like 55% to 22% or something crazy like that. If it were a close race then I would reconsider but I since it is an overwhelming land slide so far based on the polls(which were taken before SC win), I think I can safely vote for Kucinich and not help Hillary out at the same time.
I should make a thread about the craziness of the republican primary.
Go on. Do it, ed.
You'd probably be splitting the vote between her, Edwards, and Kucinich, helping out Obama in the process, who appeals much more to independents and not-so-far-left leaning Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
That being said, the next GOP primary is Florida, tomorrow. I'm expecting McCain here. Guiliani spent so much of his effort here, yet he's drowning in the polls. Florida isn't nearly as Evangelical as Huckabee needs it to be to survive here.
The thing is that I am more independent and not-so-far-left leaning so I think I am taking a vote away from Obama :PQuote:
Originally Posted by TavrobelYou'd probably be splitting the vote between her, Edwards, and Kucinich, helping out Obama in the process, who appeals much more to independents and not-so-far-left leaning Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
I voted for a republican gov in the last election here...but then again our dem gov is such a douche that it was pretty much anyone but him XD That guy is going down in flames now. I am waiting for him to get a jail cell next to our last gov.
So, Clinton has won the state of Florida...which really means nothing.
Obama has won the support of the Kennedys and they are already airing an ad featuring JFK's daughter in the north east. That is a pretty big endorsement for Obama.
Up next...Super Tuesday were they throw down XD I don't expect either Hillary or Obama to come away big time though.
Also, Edwards has officially dropped out of the race but is not yet endorsing anyone.
Interesting developments over the last couple of days. The Kennedy endorsement was a big deal, and will hopefully help swing things more in Obama's favor. Edwards' departure now basically leaves the race pure for Obama and Clinton to tangle. Does anyone think he will at a later date endorse a candidate?
86% Dennis Kucinich
83% Mike Gravel
83% Chris Dodd
79% Barack Obama
78% Hillary Clinton
77% Bill Richardson
75% John Edwards
73% Joe Biden
43% Rudy Giuliani
33% John McCain
32% Ron Paul
25% Mitt Romney
24% Mike Huckabee
19% Tom Tancredo
15% Fred Thompson
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz
Out of the poll alternatives in this thread, it seems like Obama is the way to go. I haven't even heard of the top three on my results.
I have a feeling he will eventually endorse Obama. In debates and things he has said things like "There are 2 candidates for change standing up here and one for the status quo" so I think his support will go towards Obama and I hope he does that before Feb 5th to give Obama more of a boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
Give me some hot, melted, chocolate plz. In other words, Obama. xD
Obama is a terrorist.....look at him...even if hes not we just dont know and its risky than picking our comfortable ole white guy
There are tons of white terrorists. Gtfo if you're serious.
yes, but he just happens to be islamic....meaning theres a higher chance of him being one.......all of our presidents have been white men that werent islamic... so far....and the country hasnt been totally destroyed yet....i'm very judgemental on very small facts, guess thats my worst quality :D
Obama is not Islamic. He's Christian.
Obama is Christian, not Islamic.
really? hmmm...i have to look into that one officially...i swear my own mother told me hes islamic....my family wouldn't form a conspiracy to turn me against someone.....no -.0
So, you're telling me you are serious. Great, we have another Martyr here now. I suppose you don't want any black people in other political positions either then? Man, you would have loved to have lived in the early 1900s.
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While writing this, "LanceOfTime" was the last poster, and I was thinking of bringing up Obama's religious orientation, but I decided not to. Seems like it was taken care of anyway.
its not ABOUT BLACK..im not racist...i thought he was islamic........
btw mirage...athiest
It's most certainly about black to you, why else would you have mentioned that every past president has been white and "not muslim"? There are white muslims too, and black jews, and so on and so on. And even if you're not racist, which certainly isn't how you come off as, discrimination because of religious orientation isn't much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceOfTime
BTW LANCEOFTIME, I'm atheist too! That doesn't make me think all muslims are smurfing terrorists, so why the hell did you even bring that up?
well....i just happen to discriminate vs islams...and sorry i came off as racist...but frankly i dont give a smurf what you think, so im not argueing that point..
Of course you don't give a smurf, that's why you discriminate people.
I wouldn't believe hearsay on anyone's religion. You should hear from the person. Obama has openly said he is Christian because ridiculous rumors claiming that's he's a Muslim terrorist forced him to do so. But as Mirage said, there are plenty of Christian terrorists or what have you. Some are even American and have bombed abortion clinics before as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceOfTime
Sssh Shiny, don't burst his comfortable little bubble.
(ignoring mirages hostility like a human doesnt look at a chiwawa(spelling) when it keeps barking) i know shiny, but atm the biggest threat seems to be the middle eastern religions of the terrorists.....of course i may have just formed that in my head.....i really dont care what religion he is anyways :P i dont even like to get into politics, i was just at school and was bored
Thread is now the best case for needing a voting license I have ever seen.
/agree againQuote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
Damn you btw
I am Canadian but so far the only person who is running for president that I know of (I am ashamed to say I don't know much about the independents and the 'misc' parties' candidates) is Barack Obama.
This thread seriously makes me worry.
It's not just this thread, but the entire bloody world that makes me worry!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pureghetto
Then she is ignorant and should actually do an ounce research on the candidates instead of listening to faulty new sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceOfTime
Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnmThen she is ignorant and should actually do an ounce research on the candidates instead of listening toQuote:
Originally Posted by LanceOfTime
faulty new sources.Fox.
I hope that Hillary Clinton wins, because she is the best candidate in my opinion. She cares about the middle class, and college education. She also has a lot of experience. Being the wife of Bill Clinton also makes me very comfortable voting for her, because he was a very great president.
Being the Wife of a president is a horrible thing to judge experience off of.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamari-ice
She was not actually a president. At any point in her carrier, simply married to one.
Firstly, everyone in the Middle East is not a terrorist nor are they all Muslim. Secondly, religion is not one of the major factors for Islamic terrorists' actions. In fact, many Islamic terrorists become deviant because of poverty. The Islam religion is just used as an exploitative factor. Also, you obviously do care about his religion otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it. But I can't blame just you for supporting people based on religion. Many Americans vote based on that as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceOfTime
People who think Obama is a terrorist make me chuckle heartily. Am I the only one that think Hillary is more likely to blow something up that our friendly neighborhood Obama?
I meant what I said. Fox doesn't cover the broad range of conservative talk radio ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCrackerQuote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnmThen she is ignorant and should actually do an ounce research on the candidates instead of listening toQuote:
Originally Posted by LanceOfTime
faulty new sources.Fox.
No my friend, you are not alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolentrean
It's a conspiracy I tell you! And Fox is behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnmI meant what I said. Fox doesn't cover the broad range of conservative talk radio ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCrackerQuote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnmThen she is ignorant and should actually do an ounce research on the candidates instead of listening toQuote:
Originally Posted by LanceOfTime
faulty new sources.Fox.
i guess I'll have to be supporting Obama here, he's doing incredibly well. Him and Hialry are going neck to neck and I won't be too bad if Obama loses, but I'll be damned if we get another republican.
I'm not supporting.
I just don't care.
None because none of them have given me any money.
What I can't believe you people are posting about you don't care if you're America these people are the ones that can highly affect your future.
How can you not care? The entire planet - literally the whole world - is affected by whoever is President of the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faded Tears
Woah. My topic has grown huge!
Things are looking good. Momentum is really with Obama. I hopes he wins it and then gets elected. From then on lets just hope he can deliver the goods. There's a small chance he's all mouth and no trousers. But so far I've been impressed.
I disagree. Clinton seems to still be in the lead. Screw her and her super delegates! But, Obama is hanging on. Hopefully, he'll be able to win some more states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
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Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
I'm betting on this going to the convention, at which point Obama will become the democratic candidate. He made that really smart move recently by publicly challenging the delegates to elect a candidate other than him after he has won the majority of states and popular vote.
But Obama won clear majority of delegates today.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinyI disagree. Clinton seems to still be in the lead. Screw her and her super delegates! But, Obama is hanging on. Hopefully, he'll be able to win some more states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
I mean, soon he'll be overtaking her in number of delegates. Then its just a matter if he can hold on in Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvanaisngoasdglkbg.
lol@Rye
Between Obama and Clinton, I'd go for Obama every time. I'm not sure what Clinton stands for. I've got a feeling she gets her policies largely from focus groups. I don't believe she has any clear ideology.
Oh, and I've read that Obama likes The Wire. He's got to be a smart guy with considerable taste.
According to that test, I'm 94% in agreeance with Mike Gravel. I have no idea who he is. I'm hoping he's far-left.
Edit: I read up on Gravel - he's the best candidate by far. I don't understand his tax policy, but hey!
The War on Drugs has been a failure. It is time to end prohibition and start treating addiction as a public health problem. This has ravaged our inner cities, and we are losing an entire generation of men and women to prisons. We must regulate hard drugs for the purpose of treating addicts, which would emphasize rehabilitation and prevention over incarceration. We must decriminalize minor drug offenses and increase the availability and visibility of substance abuse treatment in our communities as well as in jails and prisons. The United States incarcerates more people and at a higher rate than any other industrialized nation in the world. Some 2.3 million Americans are now behind bars. This tragedy must end. - can't see America going for that, despite it making sense.
Obama is the lesser evil of the Democrats, and by a massive margin with only Clinton left.
I don't think I can support him to win the Presidency (not with a Democratic Congress, anyway), but definitely to win the nomination.
The only positive thing about the next Presidency is that Bush will be out. Too bad Paul doesn't know how to spend any money. :(
To add onto my :bigsmile: of epic proportions, I was literally sick with worry over Clinton's lead, but now I feel a lot more confident that Obama will become the candidate. That's the main thing I worry of. I think if he becomes the democrat candidate, he'll win the election. I truly do.
I want to find out if he becomes the candidate sooner though, because I want an Obama t-shirt, and I don't want to buy it unless I know. xD
Obama won Wiscosin. Obama wins Hawaii. Obama will win the election.
And Obama will destroy the world. :D
You're thinking of Great C'thulhu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
Joseph Biden WTF! He know's what he's doing he will get our men outta there...too bad everyone but me must think he sucks infected rabbit testicles...
:(
Biden may be considered popular, but he's far from good. He's about as big-government as you can get when it comes to drug policy and gun control. He helped create the so-called "Drug Czar" position, and he's worked on a bunch of anti-drug laws, including assinine laws towards illegalizing steroids. And from what I've heard, he also has yet to say the Iraq war needs to be ended outright, and has since stressed alternative strategies.
Looks like Ohio and Texas could prove pretty decisive. In terms of actual delegates, Obama is ahead at the moment. Supposedly Clinton leads in both of those two states, though if she loses them then I'd imagine Obama would win. Of the two, as I've said, I'd prefer Clinton, though both Democratic candidates seem preferable to anything the Republican Party put forward.
Only by a hundred or so. Even then, since Democratic primaries are proportional, even if she wins, she won't win everything. She is supposed to be ahead, but recently her numbers have been falling. Furthermore, Superdelegates can change their minds at any time, though it seems unlikely. If she does win by a fair margin, it won't serve to create a potential nominee, it'll just bring us back a peg by lessening the gap between the two.
I'd elaborate further, but unfortunately, I have somewhere to go as of now. I'll edit or add when I get back.
I understand the process perfectly. My point was, should Clinton lose Texas and Ohio by a significant proportion it would make the eventual winner more clear than if she were to win both of those states. That would be because it would push her rival further ahead and that Ohio (like Wisconsin) was considered more of a Clinton state than an Obama one at the beginning of the race and would show she's losing support among her own main supporters.
Clinton winning both those states would simply ensure that she remains as big player in the race as she is currently; put simply she can't afford to fall further behind. Proportional or not, winning more states offers at least a symbolic victory. The point I was making was that after Super Tuesday, Clinton was fairly clearly ahead in the delegate count and thus she's lost ground since.
Ahh, I see.
I like how this thread is basically ground zero for political discussion, yet the Republican thread had, what, three pages, and half of it was talking about the Green Party. That and the internet being nothing but South Park-influenced liberals.
That being said, I would prefer that Obama crush Clinton in the remaining states. I don't believe that any of them hold caucuses as opposed to primaries (I could be wrong), for Obama seems to do better in caucuses. Democrats need to wrap it up before hardcore conservatives start realizing that they are missing the big picture.
^Texas is one third caucus I think.
And stop generalising Democrats. Im a liberal and I havent seen an episode of South Park in my life.
Yeah, far be it for a registered Democrat to talk about other Democrats in a critical manner. We shouldn't talk about our own at all. Let the spin do that.
Hyperbole, perhaps, but still very much representative of said population.
^I dont know what the hell you're going on about. ;)
Ehhh, its getting late and Im feeling stupider by the minute. For someone as intelligent as me, that's not a good sign.
What an unfortunate name Obama has...
^Yeah, Obama has bin Laden with Al-Qaeda problems.
Get it?
Obama has been laden with all kinds of problems. Teeeheheeeheee!
Obama, 'nuff said.
You sound slightly paranoid, mate. Does it really matter what other members of such a large group say about each other on a site that has relatively little in common with said group (i.e are registered democrat and post at EoFF)? I don't think Fox News can get you here ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tavrobel
They are so smurfing after me. It keeps me up at night. They want my blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heath
Wasn't there a whole spiel about someone claiming that Obama was Muslim, and it turned out to be false or something? I just never understood that whole situation.
^Fox lied, and said he went to a Madrasah which taught fundamentalist Islam.
See? This is what happens when you go to private schools. Nothing but Republicans, LYING and LYING to your face.
It's funny because the general stereotype is "South Park Republicans" (libertarians).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tavrobel
Yeah, because Libertarians on the internet are totally hardcore conservatives.
That being said, the only reason I could find for Libertarians being lumped with the GOP is because of their stance on government interference, when seen in the terms of economics (close to none, if any at all). Social policy as advocated by South Park is as liberal as Raistlin is sour.
I don't see the big deal if he was Muslim. If people are that ignorant to believe that all Muslims are terrorists then they shouldn't be voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tavrobel
Some people have a responsibility NOT to vote :(
I'd support paris hilton running for president if it got bush out xP
It shouldn't matter but it does. It's sad that the religion, sex or race of someone should influence whether or not people vote for them but it's something that people really think matters. Personally I care more about how competent they'd be at their job and unless any of those three factors are going to have a serious effect upon policy, they shouldn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinyI don't see the big deal if he was Muslim. If people are that ignorant to believe that all Muslims are terrorists then they shouldn't be voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tavrobel
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