Doctor Who

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This is for you Doctor Who fans out there! :D I don't know how many eoffers watch Doctor Who but I think it's the best British TV Series ever. :heart: I don't think Americans will know what Doctor Who is but it's been a TV series in the UK that's been running since 23rd November 1963. That's 45 years today! :eek: That shows how awesome it is, and why everyone should watch it. Currently David Tennent is playign the 10th Doctor with his assisstant Donna Noble played by Catherine Tate.

Anyone a Doctor Who fan and watching it? :mog:

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EDIT: I added the theme tuen to Doctor Who. ^__^

ive been a doctor who fan for many years xD
seen about 1/2 of all the episodes (my brother has almost every story on video/audio)
its pretty good yes. the old series is just good to laugh at :D

I've watched episodes here and there, and maybe I've caught the wrong episodes but the ones I've seen were freaky and I hate watching scary stuff.

Like, I watched part of one where there were stone angel things that were coming alive and it was so freakin' SCARY. I had nightmares after watching a very brief segment of the show.

No good. :(

That stone angel one... that was a pretty creepy one out of a whole bunch of non-creepy ones. Kinda unlucky there. Well, I never found any other episodes of Doctor Who that creepy, except from the Stone Angel one. :(

You should check out some of the old-school DW, especially the doctors played by Tom Baker and Sylvester McCoy.

The Daleks are awesome. Exterminate! :D

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Originally Posted by BG-57

You should check out some of the old-school DW, especially the doctors played by Tom Baker and Sylvester McCoy.

The Daleks are awesome. Exterminate! :D

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Yes the episodes with Tom Baker is the ones I use to watch when I was little. I remember I use to be so scared of the Daleks, I use to hide behind the couch! :p I've watched all four series with the nineth and tenth Doctors. Who were played by Christopher Eccleston and of course the current one David Tennat. Oh did I also mention I'm in love with David. :love:

I was never into the older DW's, though my cousin was a huge fan as is another friend of mine. To me they seem like a kind of mixture of cheapness and campness that's quintessentially British, but not really my cup of tea. The new series of the other hand is superb, not just in it's production but in the quality of writing. It's one of the few family shows that doesn't treat it's audience like morons and actually goes to some controversial areas (nature of sexuality, genocide, consequences and dealing with them etc.)

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Oh did I also mention I'm in love with David. :love:

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Me too. :love:

Saturdays episode of doctor who was pretty good. I liked the whole idea of the Doctor and his Side Kick being the cause of the volcanic eruption in it and the bit near the end with the doctor and whats her name being on a shrine as gods was neat.

There is a positive correlation between my hatred for Catherine Tate and the more I see her in shows. Nice lady, 'n' all, just really crap.

And from the two episodes seen so far, it's not as good as t'others.

Quick question: what do you (anyone who feels like answering) think the relevance of chucking the Sonic Pen into the bin in the first one was? The Doctor Who Crew usually put little things like that in episodes that turn into some future episode. I reckon Donna's mum's gonna get it, seeing as how Donna said to "look in a bin", and Rose isn't there to tell her what bin. Just a thought. Or it could just be throwing it away. Who knows.

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Saturdays episode of doctor who was pretty good. I liked the whole idea of the Doctor and his Side Kick being the cause of the volcanic eruption in it and the bit near the end with the doctor and whats her name being on a shrine as gods was neat.

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the bit at the start where he said 'That fire was nothing to do with me!' (as in the great fire of rome) was a reference to a story called The Romans where the 1st Doctor went to Rome and had a hand in causing that fire

Still not convinced by Catherine Tate as assistant. But then again Billie Piper was a lot better than i thought she'd be.

I'm a massive Doctor Who fan, been watching it since the repeats of John Pertwee as the Doctor, that's a good 21 years now. I'm also so geeky, I even modeled the TARDIS in 3d.

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I am quite impressed by Catherine Tate, actually, I wasn't really looking forward to it, as I'm not a fan of The Catherine Tate Show, but it was better than I thought it would be. :)

I only watch it for David Tennant! :love:

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Originally Posted by Harle-Quin

There is a positive correlation between my hatred for Catherine Tate and the more I see her in shows. Nice lady, 'n' all, just really crap.

And from the two episodes seen so far, it's not as good as t'others.

Quick question: what do you (anyone who feels like answering) think the relevance of chucking the Sonic Pen into the bin in the first one was? The Doctor Who Crew usually put little things like that in episodes that turn into some future episode. I reckon Donna's mum's gonna get it, seeing as how Donna said to "look in a bin", and Rose isn't there to tell her what bin. Just a thought. Or it could just be throwing it away. Who knows.

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Omg me and you think alike. I thought the exact same thing when he threw it in the bin. :p

I watched the new series up until Rose left. I wasn't into the show enough to continue watching through another companion. BUT I really like Catherine Tate, so I might start watching it again. And I've been hearing things about Rose coming back, so...

Great series - I was passingly familiar with it before the revival, and I've really got into it since then. I like that Doctor Who's not afraid to push boundaries that more 'mainstream' sci-fi wouldn't dare go near. Sure it's sometimes pretty whimsical or far-fetched, but they get some damn fine stories out of it. A couple of people have mentioned the episode 'Blink', with the Weeping Angel assassins. The whole concept behind those beings is just so 'out there' and detached from our conception of reality, it was just a great idea in a great story.

Then, of course, there's the character stuff - which really drives the series across its numerous unrelated stories. It seems almost inevitable that Rose is going to reappear at some point, which should be interesting to say the least. But it'd also be nice to see more companions, too - in the old days, the Doctor sometimes had several companions of either gender, which makes for more of a mix than the recent 'one female companion' deal.

We're still waiting for the Catherine Tate episodes in my country, but hopefully it won't be long now.

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This looks great. :up:

Catherine Tate hasn't been bad so far, and at least we're not going to see a repeat of the "oh I'm so in love with him but he won't look at me *sigh*" storylines that Rose and Martha had.

I miss Rose, it was just more fun with her around. :( but i guess that couldn't last forever

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Catherine Tate hasn't been bad so far, and at least we're not going to see a repeat of the "oh I'm so in love with him but he won't look at me *sigh*" storylines that Rose and Martha had.

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That's why I didn't like Martha much. She just complained about how the Doctor missed Rose and how she wished he would love her wah. She annoyed me. xD

Martha didn't bother me that much, but I think Donna is getting a bit annoying.

(SPOILER)Especially in that volcanoe episode, she was bragging to the Doctor to save everyone. She just wouldn't shut up about it, then betrayed the Doctor and went and told them.

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Originally Posted by Harle-Quin

There is a positive correlation between my hatred for Catherine Tate and the more I see her in shows. Nice lady, 'n' all, just really crap.

And from the two episodes seen so far, it's not as good as t'others.

Quick question: what do you (anyone who feels like answering) think the relevance of chucking the Sonic Pen into the bin in the first one was? The Doctor Who Crew usually put little things like that in episodes that turn into some future episode. I reckon Donna's mum's gonna get it, seeing as how Donna said to "look in a bin", and Rose isn't there to tell her what bin. Just a thought. Or it could just be throwing it away. Who knows.

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Omg me and you think alike. I thought the exact same thing when he threw it in the bin. :p

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OMG LET'S START A NEW FORUM! :bigbiggri

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Martha didn't bother me that much, but I think Donna is getting a bit annoying.

(SPOILER)Especially in that volcanoe episode, she was bragging to the Doctor to save everyone. She just wouldn't shut up about it, then betrayed the Doctor and went and told them.

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(SPOILER)Well, if you knew that thousands of people were gonna die, would you not want to try and save them if you knew that you could help them? Making a huge disaster less disastrous. I guess I don't find it that bad, because I can see why she was so... adamant about it. :p

It's fairly obvious that if you change something like the Pompeii business, it'll have massive great consequences on the future. I could watch something like that happening and only think "Hmm...that really sucks."

I imagine it'd be different if my family were currently living in Pompeii, or something, but they're not. So happy days. :bigsmile:

However, in the world of Doctor Who, they don't have Doctor Who on TV, so maybe they wouldn't understand all this time travel lark as much as we do. ;)

Martha was the best side kick ever, everyone else pales in comparison.

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I dont want to read the rest of this thread in fear of spoilers

Martha > Rose

The Fifth Doctor rocks, as did Nyssa.

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I dont want to read the rest of this thread in fear of spoilers

Martha > Rose

The Fifth Doctor rocks, as did Nyssa.

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*High fives*

Hello fellow person who likes Martha. We should start our own club! :cool:

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Originally Posted by Harle-Quin

It's fairly obvious that if you change something like the Pompeii business, it'll have massive great consequences on the future. I could watch something like that happening and only think "Hmm...that really sucks."

I imagine it'd be different if my family were currently living in Pompeii, or something, but they're not. So happy days. :bigsmile:

However, in the world of Doctor Who, they don't have Doctor Who on TV, so maybe they wouldn't understand all this time travel lark as much as we do. ;)

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Yeah, I know that it'd have horrible consequences. Part of me would probably still want to save those people. xD But oh well. :p

Well, yeah. Most people would want to save everyone. Because Pompeii really sucked, or so I've heard. :D

But Donna should just STFU and listen to the ruddy Time Lord. He didn't get that title by collecting bottlecaps. :mad2:

Rose was good, Martha was better, Donna is annoying, David Tennant's doctor is pretty damn cool but nothing will ever compare to Christopher Eccleston's version of the ol' Timelord. Fantastic!

"Lots of places have a Nooooorth!". First episode on the first (recent) series, and I still remember that one line:bigsmile:. In fact, most of the memorable lines are Eccleston's. I especially like it when he told off the Gas Mask kids in the WW2 one. :D

Not poo pooing David Tennant or anything. He's a fantastic actor. When Rose "died", his face actually looked like the face of a 900 year old Time Lord who had lost yet another companion and was setting himself up to being alone again. Ruddy brilliant.

Yeah, I agree Tennant is great. I don't think I'd want anyone to replace him (unless it was Chris ;)).

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It's fairly obvious that if you change something like the Pompeii business, it'll have massive great consequences on the future. I could watch something like that happening and only think "Hmm...that really sucks."

I imagine it'd be different if my family were currently living in Pompeii, or something, but they're not. So happy days. :bigsmile:

However, in the world of Doctor Who, they don't have Doctor Who on TV, so maybe they wouldn't understand all this time travel lark as much as we do. ;)

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Yeah, I know that it'd have horrible consequences. Part of me would probably still want to save those people. xD But oh well. :p

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That's because you're a big wuss Shauna! :p I Wouldn't go on like Donna did and I wouldn't betray the Doctor and tell them, when he explained why she shouldn't. :mog:

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Yeah, I agree Tennant is great. I don't think I'd want anyone to replace him (unless it was Chris ).

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I thought he was an excellent Doctor but I wouldn't like to kiss him. :p

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Yeah, I agree Tennant is great. I don't think I'd want anyone to replace him (unless it was Chris ;)).

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Well... he's got three regenerations left, so they've still got a bit of flexibility left about who they cast as the next Doctor, when the time finally comes...

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Originally Posted by Big D

Well... he's got three regenerations left, so they've still got a bit of flexibility left about who they cast as the next Doctor, when the time finally comes...

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If The Master was any indication they're quite willing to be flexible with the whole Regeneration deal. Should they ever get to that point I would imagine they would find a way to get around it.

Indeed, I was just thinking of that... Such is the convenience of sci-fi, especially when you've got time-bending and almost immortal aliens:D

Exactly! That's what is so good about sci-fi, the almost limitless scope...

David Tennant is an awesome Doctor; I just can't watch Catherine Tate

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Yeah, I agree Tennant is great. I don't think I'd want anyone to replace him (unless it was Chris ;)).

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I still think they should get rid of him soonish. I love him as the Doctor and all, but you can't just keep chucking his assistants out. The Doctor will, inevitably, put himself in a situation from which he cannot escape alive.

Of course, with a Time Lord, the definition of alive is fairly flexible. :D

I dont think they should kill off their doctors too quickly. They want to prolong the time before we get to the "wow this thing thats never been used before for some obscure reason will give you more lives!!!" plot. I personally think the 8th doctor's movie was a waste. One adventure and he's gone. And if the situation arises where theres a bad Doctor like the 6th one, they'll probably want to cut that season short so they can get a new one and they might want a few to spare in case that happens.

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I dont think they should kill off their doctors too quickly. They want to prolong the time before we get to the "wow this thing thats never been used before for some obscure reason will give you more lives!!!" plot. I personally think the 8th doctor's movie was a waste. One adventure and he's gone. And if the situation arises where theres a bad Doctor like the 6th one, they'll probably want to cut that season short so they can get a new one and they might want a few to spare in case that happens.

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Agreed. Christopher Eccleston was terrific, but he left after a single season to avoid getting typecast...
It's kinda weird: The Doctor's about nine centuries old, but it seems he spent several hundred years in his first 'incarnation', and only started dying/regenerating regularly once the BBC started making a tv show about him:p

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Well... he's got three regenerations left, so they've still got a bit of flexibility left about who they cast as the next Doctor, when the time finally comes...

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If The Master was any indication they're quite willing to be flexible with the whole Regeneration deal. Should they ever get to that point I would imagine they would find a way to get around it.

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well yeah, the master on a few occasions stole someother body to rejuvinate his lives. however, i think thats a bit too evil for the doctor

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Originally Posted by Big D

Agreed. Christopher Eccleston was terrific, but he left after a single season to avoid getting typecast...
It's kinda weird: The Doctor's about nine centuries old, but it seems he spent several hundred years in his first 'incarnation', and only started dying/regenerating regularly once the BBC started making a tv show about him:p

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That's true, but he's certainly spent longer than the 60-odd years depicted on-screen. In his first incarnation he's about 600ish and now he's about 900. But yeah, it appears having BBC cameras following you around, and presumably a writing staff doing your lines, is extremely hazardous for one's health.

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Well... he's got three regenerations left, so they've still got a bit of flexibility left about who they cast as the next Doctor, when the time finally comes...

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If The Master was any indication they're quite willing to be flexible with the whole Regeneration deal. Should they ever get to that point I would imagine they would find a way to get around it.

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well yeah, the master on a few occasions stole someother body to rejuvinate his lives. however, i think thats a bit too evil for the doctor

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If you remember, the Master's latest regeneration occured without the theft of a body. The regeneration rules have been stretched and warped so many times by the Master thus far, I doubt there will be much problem explaining why the Doctor can continue regenerating. My guess is that the removal of the Time Lords from history is going to have some connection.

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

If you remember, the Master's latest regeneration occured without the theft of a body. The regeneration rules have been stretched and warped so many times by the Master thus far, I doubt there will be much problem explaining why the Doctor can continue regenerating. My guess is that the removal of the Time Lords from history is going to have some connection.

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The story was that the Time Lords revived The Master, so that he could serve as a 'last resort' in the final war with the Daleks. That never came about, though, so his identity was kept suppressed, and he lived on in the distant future as 'Professor Yana'.
The destruction of Gallifrey would seem to be a setback to reviving The Doctor again, but thanks to the nifty miracle of time travel, anything's possible - since the Time Lords were killed, but not erased from history entirely.

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Rose was good, Martha was better, Donna is annoying, David Tennant's doctor is pretty damn cool but nothing will ever compare to Christopher Eccleston's version of the ol' Timelord. Fantastic!

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I actually agree with you here BoB, I didn't think much of Martha personally, she was ok but as said by the BBC the stress of the huge scale of Dr Who started to show on her, she started well but failed to cope towards the end. Rose Tyler (Billie Piper, never thought I'd say this but she can actually act, watch secret diary of a call girl...she's actually also damn hawt in that too) was good, her storyline was well written and her role didn't try to "out-do" the doctor in any way. Not that I believe she could out-do Eccleston, hell I remember the episode where the first of the Dalek's appears and he's making this huge gun and then goes off in to a rant about the destruction of Gallifrey ect ect. It was actually moving you could believe that Eccleston was the 900+ year old lone survivor of a terrible war faced with the return of his arch enemy. The role of Captain Jack Harkness and also Rose's friend Danny were well executed too.

I guess they've changed the writing team or something because the last great support role actress I saw since Rose Tyler was Kylie Minogue performing on the xmas special about the space titanic. Catherine Tate is annoying because she's a well known and respected actress who likes to be centre of attention and star of the show. She doesn't like to be second fiddle and well compared to the Doctor thats exactly what it's meant to be an assistant, a second fiddle. The writers or her improvising acting is just getting too big and loud for a mere assistant she'd have been better off doing a special probably as the big bad woman rather than the assistants role something where she could challenge Tennants acting skills without being a permanent competition for him.

David Tennant is a great doctor, doesn't have the same aura or imposing image as Eccleston had as the doctor the voice and attitude lacks the gravity that his predecessor could pull off and yet Tennant still manages to win through.

What I am considering having watched the finale of season 2 of the Dr Who spinoff Torchwood tonight on BBC I-player, how will season 3 of Torchwood play out when they've killed in my opinion one of THE best actors in it (twice actually) Owen was easily the funniest of them at times for his cynical sarcastic views and quiet conflicting pessimism and optimism for example he suggests he can make it to the nuclear power station, why? because being dead but living he's king of the weevils

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

If you remember, the Master's latest regeneration occured without the theft of a body. The regeneration rules have been stretched and warped so many times by the Master thus far, I doubt there will be much problem explaining why the Doctor can continue regenerating. My guess is that the removal of the Time Lords from history is going to have some connection.

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The story was that the Time Lords revived The Master, so that he could serve as a 'last resort' in the final war with the Daleks. That never came about, though, so his identity was kept suppressed, and he lived on in the distant future as 'Professor Yana'.
The destruction of Gallifrey would seem to be a setback to reviving The Doctor again, but thanks to the nifty miracle of time travel, anything's possible - since the Time Lords were killed, but not erased from history entirely.

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Professor Yana regenerated into (SPOILER)Howard Saxon. The Time Lords revived him into the Professor Yana incarnation, but he regenerated after that, so clearly he found a new way around the regeneration limit.

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

Professor Yana regenerated into (SPOILER)Howard Saxon. The Time Lords revived him into the Professor Yana incarnation, but he regenerated after that, so clearly he found a new way around the regeneration limit.

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True - but what I mean is, the Time Lords brought him back in the first place, which presumably reset his regeneration limit somehow.

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I actually agree with you here BoB, I didn't think much of Martha personally, she was ok but as said by the BBC the stress of the huge scale of Dr Who started to show on her, she started well but failed to cope towards the end. Rose Tyler (Billie Piper, never thought I'd say this but she can actually act, watch secret diary of a call girl...she's actually also damn hawt in that too) was good, her storyline was well written and her role didn't try to "out-do" the doctor in any way. Not that I believe she could out-do Eccleston, hell I remember the episode where the first of the Dalek's appears and he's making this huge gun and then goes off in to a rant about the destruction of Gallifrey ect ect. It was actually moving you could believe that Eccleston was the 900+ year old lone survivor of a terrible war faced with the return of his arch enemy. The role of Captain Jack Harkness and also Rose's friend Danny were well executed too.

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Agreed, for the most part. Eccleston's sense of sadness and anger came through damn well; Tennant's got some of that, but there's usually so much goofiness it's harder to see sometimes.

I found Martha a nice counterpart to Rose. Both neat characters, but strong in different ways: Rose is very emotionally-driven, she 'feels' her way through situations; she's also open-minded enough to cope with the incredibly odd experiences she gets into during her travels. Martha, on the other hand, is technically more intelligent - but, as a scientist (medical training counts as 'science' to me) she's more driven by logic and ration, so with The Doctor she's as much a fish-out-of-water as the scientifically-untrained Rose - because the worlds they travel to are just so far beyond anything that makes sense to her reasoning, rational mind.

Today's episode, and spoilered for the benefit of the likes of Big D. I love/hate it when they do things like this.

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Sigma One: Your song will come to an end soon.
Creepy music.
Doctor: ...what?
Sigma One: OH NOTHING ^_^;;

Gah! What the heck is that supposed to mean!

Sounds like a death to me!

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Gah! What the heck is that supposed to mean!

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Foreshadowing. The series is built on it.

On another personal level (SPOILER)I found Tim McInnery turning into an Ood slightly disturbing and icky, kind of like The Fly on daytime. Hands up all those who thinks the BBC will get complaints about that scene.

Yeah, I know it's foreshadowing, I just want to know what it's actually alluding to. Sometimes it just goes nowhere, like the episode with the Olympic Torch and the Doctor suddenly stops, looks to the sky with a thoughtful expression on his face and says "There's a storm coming" as Flavia's theme plays. Led absolutely nowhere.

(SPOILER)That scene wasn't so bad for me, and it was obvious it was gonna happen. I think they'd get more complaints for the genocide of an entire species using gas and bullets.

enjoy your ood!

I enjoy my Shift key much more, HATMAN:love:. ;)

Well... all the hints and suggestions over the seasons leave quite a bit of room for interpretation or revision. Like the 'mystery' woman who visited The Master's pyre at the end of the previous season and left with his ring, to name but one.

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Today's episode, and spoilered for the benefit of the likes of Big D. I love/hate it when they do things like this.

(SPOILER)
Sigma One: Your song will come to an end soon.
Creepy music.
Doctor: ...what?
Sigma One: OH NOTHING ^_^;;

Gah! What the heck is that supposed to mean!

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Yeah I thought that was a bit creepy.

(SPOILER)I think it means that David Tennat might be replaced at the end of this season. Meaning the Doctor will have to regenerate!

If so who do you think it could be? :eek:

Doctor Who just keeps on getting better. :)

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(SPOILER)I think it means that David Tennat might be replaced at the end of this season. Meaning the Doctor will have to regenerate!

If so who do you think it could be?

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(SPOILER)There's been a few names thrown around, including James Nesbitt. I'd be sad to see David go but he's already done three series now. If he carries on he'll end up being typecast, which would be a shame because he's a talented actor and I'd love to see him doing other stuff

I thought that this season was to be the last? That's what I gathered from the entire foreshadowy thing. :p

Holy monkfish! If it's James Nesbitt I'll poop! That man could add some serious kickassness to the Doctor.

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Today's episode, and spoilered for the benefit of the likes of Big D. I love/hate it when they do things like this.

(SPOILER)
Sigma One: Your song will come to an end soon.
Creepy music.
Doctor: ...what?
Sigma One: OH NOTHING ^_^;;

Gah! What the heck is that supposed to mean!

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nah i thought it meant (SPOILER)that his lament song would end, as he will meet Rose again, cause it was the Bad Wolf theme that was played behind the speech at the time

RAAAAAAAAGE

interesting episode
(SPOILER)obv gonna be a failed regeneration or, as some rumours are stating, something causes there to be 2 doctors.
also: Donna - The Master, The Rani or Romana? take your pick (note, the sound of drums.) personally, my candidate for the companion that will die

Im very confused about todays episode because (SPOILER)how can the doctor transform into someone else when that woman from that library episode said she got married to an older looking version of the doctor. Not a completely different looking person.
Oh well, its this kind of thing which made me get hooked to Doctor Who.

DALEKS DO NOT ACCEPT APOLOGIES

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I FLEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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UNLIMITED RICE PUDDING!
damn, wrong Dalek episode ¬_¬

Davis really pisses me off with his cuts at the end of episodes.

I want the next episode! Pweeease :)

Same lol!

(SPOILER)Good news is pretty much all of the "behind the scenes" footage over the internet indicated the living God David Tennant will NOT be leaving us as the Doctor, since he's been seen filming several scenes not yet seen as well as the Christmas specials. :cool:

Russell T. Davis already said that he was contracted for the christmas specials at the premier of the last christmas special.

I MUST SQUEE!
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Can uh, someone point out to me where exactly the PLOT of that episode was?

Not that I didn't enjoy it because I DID but it was just... just... so DISJOINTED.

Or was it just me?

Omg that episode was sooo epic!!! (SPOILER)Oh and Like OMG khan was a good guy! Never seen that coming. :eek:

I can't wait until Christmas, exterminate me please! :kaocry2:

another disappointing series finale by Russel T.
I wouldnt say that it wasnt fun to watch, but it was devoid of most of the plot, and left you with nothing

(SPOILER)So now theres NO hope in daleks coming back?

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(SPOILER)they ALWAYS come back. they will find some way to say that davros survived or such like.
in genesis, he was exterminated but they just said he had a life support system. whos to say that he didnt have an emergency teleporter?

(SPOILER)As someone joked on one forum, it's a shame that Davros didn't scream "Caaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn!!" Star Trek style as he was trapped and dying.

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(SPOILER)In Confidential Russell T Davies refused to say Davros was dead. Eurgh.

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(SPOILER)As someone joked on one forum, it's a shame that Davros didn't scream "Caaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn!!" Star Trek style as he was trapped and dying.

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That would have utterly, entirely redeemed this entire shambolic affair.

(SPOILER)I welcome the Cybermen coming back but no more Daleks please. It just cheapens the Doctor's sacrifice in the Time War. I mean I can understand them coming back at the end of series 1, when the Doctor had a chance to destroy them and humanity at the same time, and didn't because Rose had changed him. But their return this time was just stupid.

The only worthwhile Daleks are the Cult of Skaro and now they're all dead. Interesting that both Dalek Sec and Dalek Caan decided that the Daleks were evil and worked with the Doctor.

The last two episodes leading up to this were brilliant, but the final one was pretty disappointing. It tied up loose ends nicely but there was too much Deus ex Machina even by Doctor Who standards for me to stomach. Even something as simple as Sarah Jane pinned down by Daleks was solved by "SURPRISE HERE COMES MICKEY AND JACKIE WITH GUNS!". Come on. And as for the Daleks having a nice shiny control panel with "DESTROY REALITY BOMB" and "DESTROY DALEKS" buttons on it...

Still. The scene with Wilf and the Doctor was something special. And let's not forget the most important part of the exercise:

German Daleks.

Personally while again I'm not the biggest fan of the way RTD tends to end plots in general (loads of strands were basically rendered pointless very quickly), I can appreciate that given budget and time constraints that you need to cut off a lot of stuff. I think when it's more focused, such as in the first two series finales, then it's a lot better. Doomsday for me was still the best finale the series has yet produced. But still, it was just a larf seeing everyone on the screen altogether, and I'm a sucker for happy endings since they're so far fetched and idealistic as to penetrate even my blackened, twisted inner core.

If it's any consolation to you all Steven Moffat is going to be taking over. He's written arguably the best episodes in the series so far (Blink, Silence in the Library etc.), and I'm extremely optimistic about his tenure on the show.

Well they atleast wrote out Donna Noble for good if she ever remembers what happened then she dies simple as. I hate to say it but whilst I think Catherine Tate is a brilliant actress placing her as the doctor's assistant was a bad move, she tried to outshine David Tennant and almost succeeded in some cases to do so. Now some people will say that was a good thing but I'll argue that a program named after it's character, it's main character should without fail focus on the doctor as it's main character. As for the Daleks well, last night Psy had to put up with me doing Dalek Skarn (scarn/carn whatever) voices on Halo 3 which was a laugh and the German Daleks were ACE!

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Personally while again I'm not the biggest fan of the way RTD tends to end plots in general (loads of strands were basically rendered pointless very quickly), I can appreciate that given budget and time constraints that you need to cut off a lot of stuff. I think when it's more focused, such as in the first two series finales, then it's a lot better. Doomsday for me was still the best finale the series has yet produced. But still, it was just a larf seeing everyone on the screen altogether, and I'm a sucker for happy endings since they're so far fetched and idealistic as to penetrate even my blackened, twisted inner core.

If it's any consolation to you all Steven Moffat is going to be taking over. He's written arguably the best episodes in the series so far (Blink, Silence in the Library etc.), and I'm extremely optimistic about his tenure on the show.

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(SPOILER)Was it a happy ending? For anyone? The only people I can really see with a remotely happy ending here are the people who weren't bad off to start with. Jack's back where he started, not really having lost anything, as is Martha, and Mickey apparently. Sarah Jane's fine. Then there's Wilf, who's devastated for Donna. Donna's lost everything and has gone back to what she was before. The Doctor's alone AGAIN.

And then there's Rose, with new!Doctor, who is a COPY. Maybe she will be happy, but she's always going to know that real!Doctor is all on his own again. It just seems like such a cop-out on Russell T Davies' part, like he wanted to please the fans and give Rose her happy ending, but the way he did was just so... eurgh. Real!Doctor and Rose didn't get a proper goodbye, AGAIN. It just seems so utterly nonsensical. Mickey's remaining in the non-alternate universe shows that Rose could have too, so shoving her off with this copy of the Doctor seems even colder. The Doctor's sacrificing his own happiness for her and what was the need? So she could have a proper human life? She proved time and time again in the second series that she didn't even care about that; she wanted to be with the Doctor and that was it. She just wanted him to not be alone, but that's exactly what he IS now. AGAIN. Maybe Rose will be better off but I still cannot see it as a happy ending, as much as I want to.

The Doctor has gone absolutely nowhere in this series. I think Donna was a brilliant companion for him (and also that Catherine Tate was great throughout the series) and he did seem quite happy but now he's lost her as well.

I did enjoy this series and it seemed like the Doctor was actually starting to be HAPPY, and now it's like... oh nvm, he's lost everyone he loves again and has gone back to being depressed and sad and alone. Whoop-de-doo.

But yeeeeeeah, bring on Moffat! He's written loads of the best episodes, like the creepy gas mask people in series 1 and Blink and yaaaaay!

(SPOILER)What I'm mainly annoyed about is that this ending is not likely to be final in any way. The Daleks will be back at some point. Rose could very likely be back at some point, even though this is about the third time the ways between the dimensions are closing forever. He keeps saying that, but mere Humans can find ways to get to other dimensions. And it wouldn't surprise me to see Donna come back.

Paul's right though. German Daleks redeem anything, even this shoddy mishmash of ridiculous deus ex machinas. I know a lot of technobabble was used to show that Donna had become part Time Lord, but it was honestly just retarded in this episode. Really disappointed overall, given how awesome the two episodes leading up to this were.

Oh, yeah, and they can't remind Donna of anything, supposedly? Well it seems to me that they can take quite a risk there, seeing as coming face-to-face with The Doctor and talking to him didn't jog her memory.

Yeah, I'm excited about Moffat. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances and The Girl in the Fireplace are probably my favourite episodes of the new Who, and the other two mentioned weren't half bad either.

Although I do think the other three finales were all great (Last of the Time Lords especially, with the exception of Gollum-Doctor) and first two in this group of three were great, so Russel T. Davies hasn't exactly done a bad job. Far from it.

the one thing that annoys me about this doctor who, is the BBCs constant use of morals.
Everytime it comes to facing an enemy, the doctor ALWAYS tries to save the evil creature. (this time davros)
what ever happened to the good old doctor who with 1000 on screen deaths an episode and him wiping out the enemy in each episode

He still does it sometimes though. Remember the way he wiped out the Raknos's babies in that Christmas episode which scared Donna? Or how he handed out individual punishments to that family of scarecrow alien thingies?

It wouldn't have been quite as bad if the lead-up to the finale hadn't been so good. I just don't get what happened. We were all waiting for something spectacular. :(

It wasn't as bad as Voyage of the Damned, though. I suppose there's that. :(

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(SPOILER)What I'm mainly annoyed about is that this ending is not likely to be final in any way. The Daleks will be back at some point. Rose could very likely be back at some point, even though this is about the third time the ways between the dimensions are closing forever. He keeps saying that, but mere Humans can find ways to get to other dimensions. And it wouldn't surprise me to see Donna come back.

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(SPOILER)Nothing in Doctor Who is ever final, and the effect of everything is lessened considerably every time they do a LOOK WHO'S COMING BACK! story. The Daleks aren't even remotely creepy anymore, and bringing them back after they totally degraded them, with the spinning around and PUSHING them away and laughing, will just be pushing it too damn far. Not that that will stop them.

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(SPOILER)Oh, yeah, and they can't remind Donna of anything, supposedly? Well it seems to me that they can take quite a risk there, seeing as coming face-to-face with The Doctor and talking to him didn't jog her memory.

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(SPOILER)I didn't understand that at all. How does seeing him face to face and SPEAKING to him not remind me of it? I don't get it!

I was under the impression that Dalek shots do not "injure". One hit kill, I thought.

Yet another series with the grumpy old depressed Doctor....

I thought the shot only side swiped him as it trails on off camera when he is hit.

Also, I hope they have a 3rd series of Torchwood with Martha and Mickey, that's be aces.

I loved this final episode, I thought it was a great way to end. Who cares about all the Deus Ex Machina? It's sci-fi and the one rule of sci-fi is "It doesn't have to make sense, it's smurfing sci-fi".

As for Steve Moffat taking over writing, I think I said earlier on in the thread that I was excited about this when I read about it a few months ago.

Oh yeah, Moffat's are brilliant. I can't wait to see more of him!

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It depresses the out of me to see something like this. I want to know where sci-fi went wrong, if a complete lack of internal consistency is acceptable and even expected. Sci-fi doesn't have to have any bearing on the real world, but it does have to be coherent. Doctor Who isn't sci-fi, it's just silliness that uses sci-fi tropes.

Or you might be right, and an attempt at internal consistency, overarching plot, coherent characters, and general believability isn't why Babylon 5 is one of the greatest things ever made.

I never liked Babylon 5.

It was a good episode though, I'm just going to enjoy it instead of breaking out the magnifying glass to pick it apart.

I didn't watch so much of the earlier (ie, pre-2000's) series, so can someone tell me, in these earlier series...

1) Did the Doctor ever try to save a race before doing any damage to it? If so, then I don't see the problem with him carrying on that 'moralist' kind of thing.
2) Did the Daleks (or any 'famous' race) ever come back after being 'gone forever'? If so, I don't see the problem with them doing that again, either.

I think that RTD did something that he was wanting to do, which was for him as much as for the audience. He wanted to get every main character from his time together to end his Doctor Who series, sort of a finale in more ways than just the fact that this particular season is ending. I think it was sort of like a reunion before everyone goes their seperate ways, and I don't think RTD is the kind of guy to want to leave it on a "to be continued" way, but more the kind of guy to leave a clean slate for the next writer. He wrote out every single person but the Doctor, allowing Moffat to set up the Doc's mood, companion, whatever. It's all up to Moffat now, as it should be. If they kept any of the existing companions actively involved, it would have been a bit eh for me if I was a writer.

I can't believe you're complaining about contrived plot elements when talking about Doctor Who for chrissakes. The acting is bad, everything is overdramatic, and the dialogue is so bad it reminds me of Resident Evil. I watched a few episodes and now view it as a comedy.

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I didn't watch so much of the earlier (ie, pre-2000's) series, so can someone tell me, in these earlier series...

1) Did the Doctor ever try to save a race before doing any damage to it? If so, then I don't see the problem with him carrying on that 'moralist' kind of thing.

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most of the time, no. he very frequently, especially during the later doctors, tried to kill all the enemys. In Rememberence of the Daleks for instance, he sent the Hand Of Omega into a sun, which destroyed the Daleks home planet, and then sent it back to smash into davros' mothership. that seems to be devoid of all morals, so why introduce them now?

I think the reason to introduce them now was that he is, to his knowledge, the last of his race and for that reason he now doesn't want to destroy other things, nor does he like carrying guns etc. Could be wrong, though. I like that aspect, though. Having him not worry about killing off races would make him just another action hero.

i know what you mean i s'pose
he never used to carry guns in the first place btw
it just gets to me sometimes when something has been mercylessly killing innocent people, and he stands there begging for it to survive. it just isnt really believeable. or maybe im just sadistic?

I agree with Jeff. I like the Doctor's "life yey!" attitude, but sometimes it's ridiculous. I liked Eccleston's Doctor because he was fairly nice and everything, but if some bastard thing threatened innocent people, he kicked their arses out their mouths. David Tennant has a great Angel of Death face, and he should get to use it more often. For example, when Daleks are threatening to destory every reality ever.

But surely the point is that that Tennant's Doctor is not the same as Ecclestone's, hence the way they appoach things differently (such as how Tennant's Who likes humans etc whereas Ecclestone would often be exasperated by them and call them 'stupid apes').

Ah that's true. The Regeneration completely changes him, doesn't it?

(SPOILER)I think that last episode was a bit all over the place. It could be put as a bit over the top but it is Doctor Who. :rolleyes2 I think that Davros will survive.

Now we wait for the Cybermen to come. Oh it gives me shivers when they put those things into your brain. I think that Moffat will be brilliant and I thought the Blinking episode was amazing. It creeped me out though, I'll never turn my back to statues. :__;

Personally I view DW as purposefully campy, frothy nonsense that revels in it's own clichés, in-jokes and silliness. Sure it has it's moment of really good drama, but come on people this is meant to be a kids/family show. If you want adult broody Sci-Fi go watch the new Battlestar Gallatica.

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Personally I view DW as purposefully campy, frothy nonsense that revels in it's own clichés, in-jokes and silliness. Sure it has it's moment of really good drama, but come on people this is meant to be a kids/family show. If you want adult broody Sci-Fi go watch the new Battlestar Gallatica.

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Well I'M not an adult! :bigsmile:... :shifty:

The fourth new series has just started in my country, and while Voyage of the Damned was slightly absurd and unoriginal, I'm looking forward to the rest of the new series. Thanks to everyone for using spoiler tags in this thread, I appreciate it.

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Eh... I'd say Doctor Who does fairly well with internal consistency. The fact that it treats time as malleable means that events can be re-written and re-told; and the scale of time and distance involved in his travels means you often get fanciful places and events that are simply too alien to rationalise in everyday human terms. The biggest weakness of most other sci-fi is that it tries to explain itself in terms and ideas that are fully comprehensible to the minds and understandings of the audience - so you get "aliens" that are basically human but with different names for things, and scientific phenomena that are rooted solely in 20th-century physics and too scared to venture far beyond that. The strength of Doctor Who is its willingness to go to speculative extremes, bringing in ideas and aliens that *are* beyond comprehension, or that defy conventional explanation.

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Not completely, but it does change his personality somewhat. Also, simply having a younger body again could make him more energetic and enthusiastic.

I rather like the fact that he's not just a traveller and problem-solver, but a fighter too. Someone entrusted with a lot of power and responsibility, though, so he won't arbitrarily turn to violence to solve every problem. Yet when the time comes, he can be as ruthless as is needed to stop threats that are truly evil.

Well the whole thing is this:

Ecclestone's doctor was fresh out of the Time Wars where the Time Lords and the Daleks pursued each other to destruction. The Tardis was the last ship from Gallafrey to survive the Time Wars and on board was just The Doctor. They wrote the former Doctors in as part of the Time Wars. The Time Wars being over but he's not quite past the fact that he's seen his entire race destroyed. He would be rightfully suffering from several issues (please think how soldiers can be affected by seeing their entire unit killed) He is bitter and resents the fact that he could not save the other Time Lords and thus must now see to the future of the Galaxy and with it Humanity by himself. It was written in the story that whilst the Doctor dislikes weapons he was not in experienced in their use. He is perfectly capable of making and using a dalek destroying gun. Ecclestone's Doctor whilst determined not to fail to protect Humanity (afterall they are probably the closest race to Time Lords in anycase) views them as ignorant, arrogant, stressing creatures. He isn't wrong humanity is we believe we are lords of everything and that if there is anything out there it would bow to our superiority and make peace. I fully believe that if there are species out there capable of interstellar transit of the scale necessary to get here then they'll be the ones we'll be fawning to if they don't just kill us for having stupid leaders. He protected humanity but found it stressful to do so. Rose however was his saviour, when he most needed but least wanted company she provided him with it. When he needed a touch of humanity to show compassion when his every instinct told him not to then she was there to show him he needed to be like that. She taught him a lot and whilst Jack came along and threw his love works spanner in and Mickey tried his best too it was clear that the Doctor was beginning to fall for Rose Tyler. Mickey and Jack kinda became the background characters doing the menial tasks that they couldn't get rose or the doctor to do without us going "what the smurf?"

Rose then gets locked away in the alternate universe and Ecclestone becomes Tennant. Tennant is still very obviously in love with Rose but cannot have her and thus a short parade of assistants ensues. Including in the xmas special Kylie. The difference is now the doctor loves someone, the emotions he has are no longer surpressed behind the veil of resentment after all how can you resent what you love? You either love or resent not both. He truly realizes just how vital and great humanity can become with him guiding them and just how evil and wrong they can become without him. This is shown in the character Harriet Jones. The thing is, I do agree that the Doctor has become too soft towards his sworn enemies the Daleks. The Daleks destroyed his race and sure he showed Skarn the compassion to let him leave last of his race to last of the dalek race. But when you've suddenly got entire armies of Daleks everywhere it'll become destruction time surely? Your race gets exterminated and you sit there begging for them to survive, they try to destroy the Tardis and you beg?

That said The Doctor is changing much in the way humans change however I would like to see The Doctor be a little less passive or compassionate towards his sworn enemies; Daleks, Cybermen ect. More compassion when compassion is needed less when it isn't. It'll be interesting though to see how The Doctor copes with having Fallen in love with Rose, losing her only to regain her but to lose her once more. I expect however we will be seeing more of The Doctor's Daughter and more of The "human" Doctor in the next series even if they write Tennant out of the show as The Doctor.

Oh I almost forgot to say - (SPOILER)When Donna touched the hand didn't that ring look awfully familiar? Like the same ring as cloaked person picked up at the Masters funeral? :mog:

Whoo, a thread bump. Not a particularly old thread, so I think we'll get away with it. The fourth series is still airing in my country, but I got sick of people spoiling it for me so I've cheated and watched ahead to the end.

I'm glad that, contrary to all the moaning and whining when she was first cast, Donna's gone on to become a generally liked and respected character. It was neat to have her acting as a kind of 'moral compass' for The Doctor, sometimes restraining him and sometimes pushing him to go the extra mile to do the right thing, rather than just accepting the way things unfold. Some extremely strong stories this series.

I'll join with the others who felt that the finale was a bit jumbled and overpopulated... I get the feel it was trying to go a bit too far, in particular trying to please all the whiny obsessive internet fans who are never actually going to be satisfied if they get given what they want to see.

spoilers start here, don't read unless you've seen "Journey's End"Bringing back the entire 'team' from the previous seasons was a great move, as well as returning to the Bad Wolf meme and other recurring concepts. Having a threat to not only the entire universe, but all universes certainly meant there was a lot at stake, so plenty of scope for heroics, which we got.

As with any episode of any TV show, there's a lot of complaining going on about this one. However, while I agree with some of it, I feel that it's not all justified.

The Daleks weakened and cheapened? Anyone see The Five Doctors, where the First Doctor and his granddaughter kill a Dalek by pushing it into a hall of mirrors to trick it into lasering its own head off?

Some say the plot was non-existent, or impossible to follow. I say it works well enough, but requires a lot of attention. Thanks to whiny internet fandom demanding servicing, there're so many nods and re-visits to events from throughout the series. A lot to keep track of.

Donna's memory not being jogged by seeing The Doctor? Well, those memories had been erased and suppressed. His face was just a face, after that. It'll take something strong to actually make her remember what's happened to her, but you can bet that it'll happen at some point, and a suitable plot contrivance will allow her to survive it. It just feels unfair for her character to get fobbed off like that.

The Doctor trying to save Davros? The issue was genocide. He's killed often enough in the past, and even believed he was responsible for exterminating the Daleks in the Time War, but whenever possible he'll give his enemies a chance to choose life. And wiping out an entire species is usually an unthinkable option to him. Davros isn't like the other Daleks, he could be contained and controlled - so executing him needlessly, especially if he's been rendered helpless and is the last of his kind (for now), is just un-Doctorly. It's one thing to deal mercilessly with villainous individuals - the Family of Blood, the stray Dalek from Eccleston's series, the Racnoss - but it's something else to make the choice to exterminate a sentient species altogether.

Rose's story and its resolution? I agree, it doesn't feel complete. After regenerating, The Doctor hardly seemed to care about seeing her again, and was awfully quick to shoehorn her back into the other universe. I can't imagine her being happy in the long-term, either. Maybe in future, they'll get a proper reunion, and we'll find out that the 'human' Doctor didn't survive the unnatural biological processes going on inside him. There's a lot they can work with, anyway.

I did, however, like the Torchwood crew's involvement in this episode. Jack's always awesome, but it was nice to see Ianto and Gwen acting like they've actually got brains once. If this story had happened inside an episode of Torchwood... when they found themselves trapped (but protected) inside Tosh's time bubble, but with no real hope for survival, they'd probably have decided to have a threesome with the pterodactyl. It's the kind of 'decision' those half-wits normally make when they're left to make their own choices.

So, I'm now very much looking forward to series five. It's going to be a long wait till 2010, but there's at least one or two specials before then. I'm hoping for more companions. I mean, a greater number and diversity than usual. People from other time periods, other worlds even. Captain Jack was a great example, hailing from the distant future. But the old-school Doctors were accompanied by humans from the distant future, androids, and all sorts in between. River Song's going to be one to look forward to, unless they take the cop-out route of altering the future to write her out of the story. It looks like Martha's going to be an important figure within UNIT, so I expect we'll see her at or near the top of that group in future as well.

Anyway, with Steven Moffat at the helm, the stories are likely to be more psychological and more horror-oriented than most of RTD's stuff. I swear, the Library two-parter managed to include every single recurring image from my worst nightmares. Even looking at screenshots from those episodes can make me want to look away. Blink remains one of my favourite stories, with the best aliens too. Moffat's contributions have been consistently brilliant, so here's hoping for more of the same quality.

But as long as there's still plenty of drama, storytelling, seriousness, fun, humour, and emotion, I'll continue to be happy. They'll have to try damn hard to let me down.

It's been great these last few days, re-watching all the past four year's worth of stories. If you can watch the end of Doomsday without crying, then you're a bastard and I hate you.

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Moffat has said that he doesn't want to use old characters. So, most probably will never be written into episodes again.

:) Well, that just means more original stories and characters for us.
I reckon the various guest writers are likely to bring back a familiar face or two, but it's nice to know that Moffat's not going to go down the self-referential and in-jokey road.

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Photo evidence, plz. (Because I can't be arsed. :D)

Anyway, I'm glad they're taking a break from Doctor Who, and just throwing in a few specials. The majority of it was getting a bit pants anyway, so it's good that they're taking time off to sex it back up to it's original glory.

Any thoughts on the Cybermen return, anyone? I pissing hate the Cybermen. And not in an "oooh they're so evil and scary" way. But still, there's a lot to play with, and all the Cybermen-involving episodes have been pretty nice, so I can't wait for my next Doctor fix.

Cybermen are pussies. "Look at us made of metal hahaha... O a magnet!"

the cybermen used to be good
but ever since this new series, and they decided to re-write their origin & give them a catchphrase, they have become pointless

They didn't properly re-write their backstory, 'cause The Doctor references the fact that they used to exist in 'our' universe as well. They just came up with a workable excuse for introducing a new version, with new capabilities and no silly allergy to gold.

I saw this one marathon of it once. It was kinda weird xD