They should remake FFVII!
They should remake FFVII!
It will probably happen someday but I wouldn't imagine it will be anytime in the near future.
To the people who come here often: It's been a while since I actively browsed this forum. Do we even have an official "FFVII Remake That Is Not Likely To Happen Anytime Soon" thread? I'm sure we could merge a dozen or so and title it that, then sticky it so people know not to make more of these threads.
Why should they remake it? There's no need whatsoever.
Oh, there have been at least 20 remake related threads in the past 6 months. At least. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
It will probably happen one day, unfortunately.
If they do make one,it had better be good...
People have been begging for this since PS3 came out but i doubt that they are going to remake it and odds are if the did they would make a change with the intintions of making it better and crap it up.
In my opinion, it's perfect as it is.
Problem with remake is that many good scenes might have same fate as Celes beating in FFVI GBA port. I bet all Wall Market scenes would be redone, no way SE is letting newer fanboys see Cloud as a drag, having gay massage, gay bath tub, Don Corneo choosing Cloud.
What kind of remake that would be? Lousy one, those scenes are part of VII just like beating Celes is in VI. It always feels so hollow to play scene where Celes collapses for no reason.
What a brilliant idea! How come nobody's thought of this before? Genius!
If they did make a remake, they would have to make sure it is a gem because of all the hype for it.
uh, yes they do... they have to change it a bit now that Crisis Core has change the past. I find that a "need". Plus, they could enter the new/enhanced songs and better graphics... It would be even better if we could play the game from the actual beginning... Zack... Genesis... Angeal... Sephiroth... then Cloud... Tifa... Barret... Arieth... etc... Or just have it nearly the same but do include the Crisis Core effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Turk
Wow, what a small opinonQuote:
Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER
You forget they can edit things... You don't necessarily have to let cloud be picked… you can lose that on purpose. It wouldn’t necessarily ‘gay’ thing… I admit it was a bit pushing it but… It was for laughs, nothing more. AKA: the comic relief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unstoppable Pig
There's no need to call anyone's opinion 'small' around here. Play nice, folks.
I don't see any real need to change the 'drag' bits or whatever. 50% of FF's recent characters look like they're dressed in drag anyway. :p I'm making this thread the official thread for this topic to save people constantly making these threads.
If they do remake it, they'll probably do so on its 20th anniversary.
I, for one, will probably find so many flaws in its remake that I won't be happy with it. So I may as well play the original, crappy graphics, bad translation and all.
Plus, there's a lot of scenes they may have to take out for being too violent, like Aerith being beaten, or Barret's and Dyne's hands being shot off.
Nah. I mean, it's not like girls are never beaten by all those enemies you face on a regular basis anyway. And we don't see any hand being shot off so there goes that.
The scene with Barret and Dyne on the cliff flashes away before their hands get shot, so there won't be a need to censor it anyway.
Ah, good point.
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Originally Posted by Loony BoB
How bout the insinuated rape it shows if you dont get picked the don?
Insinuated? Does that even count?
Or..........they could have written Crisis Core in such a way that it didn't change the past. That would have made MUCH more sense right? If Square weren't so incompetent that's what they would have done. Also your "need" is much more of a "want".Quote:
Originally Posted by Unus Volatilis Angelus
New songs? Meh. I love all the songs in the game. What ones would you change? All the character themes should stay the same or it'd be another reason to complain about it. I can't imagine walking up to the Shinra HQ without hearing the Shina Theme or seeing Aeris death without hearing her theme playing in time to Holy bouncing down the steps.Quote:
Plus, they could enter the new/enhanced songs and better graphics...
As for better graphics. Okay fair enough. In that case I demand a remake of Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy XII too. Yes the graphics are fine as they are, but why not make them better? In fact I demand that Square remake VII on the PS3 and then again on the PS4, PS5 and every console that comes out afterwards. Yep Square should forsake making new FF games that might capture the same magic as VII and instead continue to remake the original every time the graphics begin to look a bit dated. They should slave away pumping out VII remakes as punishment for making such a popular game on what is now an outdated console, just to please the whims of it's fans.
Also what happens if they DO remake VII on the PS3 with fantastic graphics? Then Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core, with it's silly Kingdom Hearts-lite graphics, will look outdated too. So should Square remake them too?
Complaining about VII's graphics is akin to watching Citizen Kane or Casablanca and moaning that it's in black and white.
No they should stick to VII's story and not let it be dragged down by the appalling spin-offs. They don't add anything of any value to the rich plot of VII. The plot of the game is self-contained and the open-ended finale of the game lets the player decide the fate of humans and Earth. Then the sequel film ruined all of that while the other spin-offs just confuse the perfect-to-begin-with plot with irrelevant characters and plot lines that were never MEANT to be in the first game to begin with.Quote:
It would be even better if we could play the game from the actual beginning... Zack... Genesis... Angeal... Sephiroth... then Cloud... Tifa... Barret... Arieth... etc... Or just have it nearly the same but do include the Crisis Core effects.
Mark my words, they will end the compilation with a remake. If they don't, I will be absolutely ASTOUNDED.
They shouldn't change FF7's story AT ALL. I agree with The Turk on all points.
I`d like to see the remake to check out if it will have the same theories that took place in original ff7, e.g. the disappearance of Aeris, etc.
But I`m more interested in the FF8 remake.
They'll make the VII remake. They'll remake all the games so long as they will get a profit out of it, and so they should. If Square didn't milk games for all they were worth by profiting from fanboys/girls, then they wouldn't be able to get the revenue together to make even better games later on.
If they remake this they better add lots of extra stuff to it that wasn't in the original. FF7 with just better graphics doesn't appeal much to me at all.
A remake of FF VII should include the following:
1) Improved Graphics
2) Improved Script (Including making it more clear Sephiroth is in control. Though it can be proved from the game, it almost makes more sense if Jenova were to be in control. Not sure if that can be fixed with an improved script though. :p)
3) Reasons to use different characters other then their limit breaks. Cause lets face it, by mid game, its more about the materia combination then the actual characters. :p
4) GOOD VOICE ACTING! I don't care if you won't be able to name characters any more, cause good voice acting adds a lot to a game. IF they can't get good VA's, just stick with text and picking your own names. :p
5) Some mechanic change like they did with IV DS and Augments. Not the same of course, but something new to add to gameplay.
6) At least once, I want to see Barrets massive black penis.
Appart from 7,8,9,10,11,12 and 10-2 there has been remakes for the games before. Origins is a remake of ff1 nes ff2 nes. DS ff4 remake ff4 snes gba ff4 ff5 remakes. Square will do a remake for FF7 eventuly.
some of those remakes where just ports to psQuote:
Originally Posted by Martin_Golding
But it they Remake FF7 The only things they should change
are the graphics and put in good voice overs using the same voice actors from FFVII:AC
That, my friend, is a matter of opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Turk
Personally, all I want out of it is updated graphics. The rest of it is completely fine with me, and I continue to play it to this day.
But you really don't "need" a remake. You want one. I'd like a night with Tifa Lockheart, but it's not essential.
Anyway I am unsure about voice acting. If it's anything like FF X or XII's then I'll pass on it. I think the voices would be unbearable. Yuffie would sound like she was out of a dubbed kung fu film with a stupidly high pitched voice while Barret would sound like Mr. T no doubt.
If Square DO remake it then the ONLY thing I want is improved graphics. I even want the bad dialogue to be kept. If they changed "This guy are sick" I'll riot.
remake 7 and lose the new crappy looking sephiroth, he looks way creepy, in the original he looked kind of attractive (saying this as straight as possable). but the new FFVII AC sephy looks older and well ... creepy. at first i felt like he was like 20 something but after i seen the new one i felkt like he was in his 40s, he simply looked better in the old days. and give caitsith his friggen robo mog back, hes useless with out it (DC).
I read somewere that they didnt give him his mog in the new games is because it would be to hard to make all the digitall hair on him thats is just pure lazinessQuote:
Originally Posted by sir helix
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Originally Posted by DarkswordofchaosI read somewere that they didnt give him his mog in the new games is because it would be to hard to make all the digitall hair on him thats is just pure lazinessQuote:
Originally Posted by sir helix
Same reason why Red XIII doesnīt appear in Compilation.
I guess they could explain his absence that he built time machine and went to past to hump his tribes female members so they wont become extinct...
...or maybe he is just looking for females. Where, from bars and night clubs of course.
Lol well he must pick one up somewere cause in theQuote:
Originally Posted by Unstoppable PigQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkswordofchaosI read somewere that they didnt give him his mog in the new games is because it would be to hard to make all the digitall hair on him thats is just pure lazinessQuote:
Originally Posted by sir helix
Same reason why Red XIII doesnīt appear in Compilation.
I guess they could explain his absence that he built time machine and went to past to hump his tribes female members so they wont become extinct...
...or maybe he is just looking for females. Where, from bars and night clubs of course.
(SPOILER)800 years later movie he gets kids or grand kids more likley
Remakes are cool! They allow for additional information to be added that coludn't be added before due to time restraints *cough*
Plus, Vincent has the smeckest voice. :Eek:
PSP format would be a preference for me. I'd want it to be on the go (I'd love a port just a simple port to the PSP) But for me to like it I wouldn't want anything expect some of the overly poor translations in some places to be fixed. No cut scenes no added crap (maybe more golden saucer mini games I guess i could get behind that)
Yeah i almost dont want a remake cause i just know there going to add sumthing or take out somthing or change somthing and mess it up
Yeah, like Tidus, who likes like a Meg Ryan gender change surgery gone terribly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Naw, there's only been one other thread apart from this one, I think. It's just that the other threads all wander off onto this topic somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiOh, there have been at least 20 remake related threads in the past 6 months. At least. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
It will probably happen one day, unfortunately.
I just watched Safer Sephirot beating-video in Youtube and I realized one thing what is horribly outdated in FFVII.
During Super Nova, it goes through Pluto but Pluto ainīt planet anymore. They should release port to PSP with no changes except Pluto removed. I bet all fans would be happy across the world.
What's this? I think it has to do with the 12th anniversary of FFVII but I can't read Japanese.
Pluto is still a planey im gonna start a petition to get it reinstated as a planet:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Unstoppable Pig
Final Fantasy VII: Surprise 12th Anniversary Trailer on January 31 | SCRAWLQuote:
Originally Posted by Omecle
I think it's just about ACC ;_;
well for me i think a remake would be one of the best things ever just to see the story in ps3 graphics vary cool but the best thing about a remake would be that it would give the young kids who never played ff7 a chance to play one of the best games ever storyline wise who outerwise would never pick up the og becase thay would look at the graphicse and just pass it by so for that reion i say make it then these young kids who bad mouth the ff serise would get to see how cool ff7 really is.http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/icons/icon6.gif
the President (of SE) did say the compiliation project would be kept alive for 20 years so mabey in 2017, they'll release the REMAKE?
2017? They were speaking about it possibly happening after the work being done on XIII and Versus XIII is finished. It was implied that they would very much like to do something like that, but they want to have the original crew that worked on the original FFVII.
Keyword being 'related'. :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessweeee♪Naw, there's only been one other thread apart from this one, I think. It's just that the other threads all wander off onto this topic somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiOh, there have been at least 20 remake related threads in the past 6 months. At least. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
It will probably happen one day, unfortunately.
thay may do a remake but i just saw a cut seen at the end of doc with genniss walking off with the guy who had two gunblades saying thay still have something to do befor he flys off so theres probably another ff7 sequil in the works as well :cool:
well...i have been waiting for this forever...i originally thought that the movie ADVENT CHILDREN was the new final fantasy 7...but they already made a new story that was pretty ok...all they would have to do is add to it and then we would have Final Fantasy VII-2...and thats what it would most likly be called...what do yall think?! :)
Well since AC is a continuation of VII wouldn't it be logical to include it in the remake? Take cut scenes from it and add it into the "intermission" part to take on the brand new story line of VII-2. Think it would be pretty interesting.
Have VII remade with PS3 graphics and a little more in a prologue of Zack. The original game, cut scenes from AC after taking beating Sephiroth for the first time with some game time included in between the cutscenes, then make VII-2, but just don't call it VII-2. Its a blu-ray disc so there is PLENTY of room for it. Hell even MGS4 didnt take up an entire disc and there was AT LEAST an hour of cutscene / mini movies...
If its not remade till 2017 its gonna have ps4 graphics because it will be on playstation 4
I think that a remake of FFVII would be a double edged sword for Square Enix. It will undoubtedly make them a small fortune from all the fans, and will also cause them to focus less on other projects to make it.
They don't have to change the actual game at all, but knowing Square Enix they will. We will (most likely)have
:cactuar: A new translation
:cactuar: Story changes to fit with the new plot from the compilation
:cactuar: A bunch of new materia.
:cactuar: Sapphire weapon will be fightable as a superboss.
I think SE should do something that would probably please all fans. Make two VII remakes. Other is simple PSP port with new translation and maybe a little new content. And other is full Remake made to fit with Compilation.
I donīt like Compilation at all ( well that Zack-game seems decent),it just doesnīt fit in VII story or world, it doesnīt have the magic of original VII. I would be very happy with just PSP port. Though I need to buy PSP first, which I probably will because I want to play Tactics, the FF I havenīt played, and it is important part of FF, especially since it is referenced in IX.
Chea :bou::bou::bou::bou:ers this would be the best idea think about it 97's 2nd best game (Behind Castlevania:Symphony of the Night) think how much they sold back then think everyone still plays it so why wouldnt they remake it for like the PSP or even the PS3 that would be too ill
I thought since you said PS4, you meant that it would be on the PlayStation 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkswordofchaos
I think a remake would need to have:
-More compilation references/flashbacks
-A more interesting Nibelheim Incident flashback that corresponds to CC
-Better character development, goes along with compilation references
-Sapphire WEAPON as a superboss
-Sephiroth(s) bosses more difficult
-Better translation
-New content (New areas on map, Golden Saucer minigames, Materia, etc)
I would say that FFIII and FFIV for the DS would imply that it's slightly possible. However, I believe those games were remade because they were underappreciated. FFVII sure as hell isn't underappreciated, and seeing how effortlessly they've ported it to the PS3 and PSP and making it easily available again, what would be the point?
Now if that PC version could get a re-release...
If they did that, I wouldn't touch it with a twenty-mile pole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaskull
its evident the demand is out there, if ff7 got remade in all honesty I would likely buy the games console they release it on just so I can play it.
There is so much potential for the remake besides better gfx and sound.
fix the bugs present in the original such as lack of magic defense on armour.
add new bosses especially new weapons.
add a diffilculty level setting so those of us who find the game way too easy will fight harder bosses etc.
add some cut scenes more flashbacks etc.
if possible add audio scenes like the ones we see in crisis core.
make the storyline longer on the disc 3 portion of the game, ff7 you do disc 1, disc 2 seems quickish and then disc 3 is like almost nothing as if they had to cut to the end very sharpish due to time constraints.
oh,perhaps an online ff7 game alongside of it!? maybe the wutai war and be a soldier? or maybe as a turk in shinra's uprising...nah >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by Levian
OH, I got it! A side story playing as barret describing his horrific and tragic time as the only black man in the whole UNIVERSE and his revenge on the square developers for being so racist!
actually, I like the latter more than the formal :p
I really dont think there should be a remake either. now...final fantasy IIIj PS3 remake....(sweet) I know they made the ds port but honestly...it sucked :/
just update gfx and add voice overs those are the only things wrong with an otherwise immaculate game
I think this has got to be the most irrational stand i have seen someone take in a long time. Seriously, have you played these games recently?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Turk
FF VII
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3595/gfs54375223mid.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6409/gfs5437527.jpg
FF X
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/641...1214screen.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8416/gfs5270322.jpg
FF XII
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/510...8screen019.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/742...0screen004.jpg
Graphics are going to need to exceed well beyond photorealism before the latter two would benefit from graphic update just as much as the first one would from a complete remake for the PSP right now. To say nothing of a proper big budget release for the PS3. Let alone one that would be made after FF XIII in a few years. Don't even try to compare it.
Oh my god! I MADE A STICKY THREAD!!!
From what I've heard, that "Tech Demo" Was nothing but the ending of Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core.
Nuff said.
Crisis Core wasn't even a thaught in Squares collective mind when they made that Tech Demo, so what you heard was wrong... it was made to showcase the graphic capability of the upcoming PS3, much like the FFVIII Tech Demo was made to showcase the graphic capability of the upcoming PS2, and the FFVI Tech Demo was to showcase the graphic capability of that horrible Nintendo Console what was it, oh yeah the N64...
Hey now, the N64 may have been a failure on a lot of levels, but one thing no one can ever say is that it didn't have some damn fine games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elly
Finally, I'm not the only person on this forum who thinks of these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elly
But yeah, please don't say such nasty things about the N64. GoldenEye, the only N64 game anyone cared about, deserves better.
true Golden Eye deserved to be on a better console than the N64... the N64 made me hate Nintendo for a while with it's backstepping by sticking with carts and that gawd awefull controller designe... fortunately Nintendo redeemed themselves with the GameCube, though it should not have gone with mini-discs...
So they redeemed themselves with a godawfully placed Z-button, awkward D-pad, annoying C-nub, and by making a bunch of games that were actually steps backward rather than improvements on their N64 predecessors?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elly
Can the SOLDIER mobs(1st class, 2nd class, 3rd class) get buff in the remake? I really feel they should be stronger. :bigsmile:
Christmas: there is no remake...
Vivi: the Z button was not oddly placed at all considering it was placed in the exact same place as the R1 button on the Sony Dual Shock Controller, the DPad wasn't awkwardly placed considering it was in the same place as the DPad on the Microsoft ControllerS, and the CStick was a vast improvement over the individual CButtons, honestly the entire N64 Controler was a total ClusterFrack and the worst controler design in history...
the N64 had very few good games, GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, & Zelda are about the only good games that came out on that system, wheras the GCN was flooded with great games like the best Zelda game up to that point Wind Waker, the awesome remake of Resident Evil and the new at the time RE0, then there was the Metroid Prime games that would not have looked near as beautiful on the N64... also it had the Prince of Persia games and the best version of Soul Calibur II (because of Link), and the under rated "Product No. 03", more games that would not have worked or looked as well on the N64, and to top it off they finaly left that antiquated Cart format behind for Disc based media... steps backward indeed, the GCN was a serious leap forward from the N64...
I realize this is getting a bit off topic and I was mostly just giving you a hard time, but I'm going to say my piece on your comments and leave it there.
True sort of, but the shape of the controller and it's hand grips as well as the fact that the R button sticks out make it uncomfortable to press the Z-button. That isn't the case with the Dual Shocks R1 button. As a result, the Z-button was useless for anything other than calling up maps and menu screens. Trying to use it in the midst of gameplay was just plain painful which meant no one bothered with it. I hate controllers with buttons that are too awkward to be useful. It's just poor design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elly
Arguing that the D-Pad placement isn't awkward by comparing it to a D-Pad that is just as poorly placed and even worse than the GC D-pad is absurd. It is awkward because reaching down that far with the thumb is neither comfortable nor natural when you're trying to press something flat like the D-Pad. Analogs work in that position because they're raised up, but you can't hold the controller the way it was designed to be and comfortably use a D-pad in that position unless you have some strange hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elly
The C-Stick was an improvement over the C-buttons, but the C-buttons came at a time when controllers didn't have two analog sticks. In fact, the N64 controller was the first controller to even have one. Even still, the surface of the C-stick was too small and slipped out from under the thumb all of the time. It was a pain for any game that tried using it for more than camera control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elly
The biggest problem the N64 had was a lack of a second analog stick and a D-pad that couldn't be reached while using the analog stick. Just the same though, it was comfortable, had a good number of buttons, and the most responsive analog stick ever made. It had it's problems, but it was far from as god-awful as you make it out to be.
Every first party Nintendo series that appeared on the N64 took multiple steps back on the GC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elly
Mario Sunshine featured fewer levels and a lot less variety in the ones it had than Mario 64. Wind Waker had so few dungeons that it was literally half the game OoT was, and wasn't half as innovative as MM. Not to mention how utterly horrible sailing was. I love it to death, but I can't forgive it's faults or ever make the claim that it was an actual improvement in any respect except graphically. Then they tried to fix it with Twilight Princess, but they basically made OoT with a stupid wolf form and pointless fetch quests that you absolutely had to complete to proceed.
I'll grant that the RE remake was cool and an improvement over the original without a doubt, but the stupid two character gameplay mechanic in 0 was annoying and got old fast.
Metroid Prime was decent as well until it degenerated into a mind numbing fetch quest in the end, and I'll grant that it couldn't have been done the way it was on the N64, but saying a newer system is a step forward for power alone is a silly argument when so many series that made Nintendo famous suffered for it. In fact, I would be willing to guess that half of the reason that Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker had so few levels is because of how handicapped their tiny storage medium was. Sure they ditched Cartridges, and I won't try to say a cartridge could have had as much storage space, but they didn't have nearly as much as they needed either.
I'm not going to even get into the Prince of Persia games or Soul Calibur because the former weren't even exclusive and arguing that the latter was the best version is all subjective. I prefer using a D-pad in Soul Calibur which automatically put the GC version out of contention for me since it's was so horridly placed compared to the comfortable PS2 D-pad.
And finally, I'll just say that if you think the only good games for the N64 were Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and Zelda then you never even gave it half the chance it deserved. It didn't have a lot of great titles because third party support was as terrible on the N64 as it was the GC, but the ones that were there were utterly brilliant.
HIya guys I bring news:
Tetsuya Nomura To Announce Widely Requested Game Next Year on VGChartz.com
A requested game by fans AND press?... I think we're getting a remake.
It could be anything... Square have quite a few old series that would be awesome to revive. Though I'd really love for it to be an FFVII remake.
Just remember, Square love to hand out complete mind smurfs.
by the time they do remake, me and my team will have already done it for them
but you're not remaking the game, you're just re-translating it
Not entirely... those at qhimms are even making new backgrounds, updated music so you can use MP3, updated the movies for larger screens, updated the spell graphics and so forth.
I am doing retranslation. H.264 encoded movies and replacing Cait but a lot of things are possible as this shows:
YouTube - Final Fantasy VII - Example of Story Based Walk Through
In a lot of ways the work that is being done is a major improvement over PSX
Replacing Cait Sith just because you don't like him sort of ruins it, doesn't it?
And this is coming from someone who doesn't even like the game :|
Cool I'd rather wait for a remake even if it never comes. :)
Not really because it is a separate project and thus you have a choice. We are also retranslating Cait, who should actually talk with a scottish (possible Irish, haven't verfied) accent. This is represented differently in the Japanese version as a different dialect to Reeve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Momiji
In other words these are 2 mods.
I am thinking... It could very well be FFV and FFVI remake for DS. That'd make a lot more sense, right? FFVI has a huge fan base too, and it seemed like they were climbing their way up with the old school games on DS.
It could be KH3 too, however... That is huge, not HUGE like Nomura is making this out to be. So yeah, more confusion.
Would that need voice acting? Also, are those requested by press and fans?Quote:
I am thinking... It could very well be FFV and FFVI remake for DS.
Here's another article regarding the FFVII Remake speculation:
Tetsuya Nomura Hints at Final Fantasy VII Remake
Of course, last year, when they hinted at a 'long awaited announcement', it turned out to be the XBox 360 expansion and FFXIV. But as much as people don't believe FFVII will get remade, here's one reason why they would: The 3D models of the original. Remember, they originally planned to release FFVII for the SNES, but when the PSX came out they essentially went scrambling to get it on to the new console. Thus, the 3D models suffered horribly to make the release date. It's most notable in the jump in model quality from FFVII to FFVIII where it's like a downscaled PS2 game. It's a matter of just being dissatisfied with the final product of the original.
OMG! THE RELEASED THE OFFICIAL INTRO!
YouTube - Final Fantasy VII remake intro!
Welcome to 2008, Pauper. I'm guessing you already knew that what you linked to is nothing to do with a remake.
there will be an official announcement on their website as well as a new conference that will be picked up by sites that publicize gaming news.
:|
there will?... do you know when or did I miss something?
I <3 you BoB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
If they remake this game, it needs a definite retranslation.
Not only that; they'd need to fit in all th extra crap they added to Crisis Core and Advent Children. Which is absolutely fine (nevermind the angst people that will bitch and moan about how this isn't exactly like the original game), because it is absolutely needed and in my opinion those extra things really add to the world and characters of Final Fantasy VII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dignified Pauper
For all the whiney brats that complain that they'll turn Cloud emo because of Advent Children; just think about that for a second. He wasn't emo in Crisis Core, in fact he was the complete opposite; you'd most likely see a transition of Cloud's attitude between the games in stages. There is no reason why Nomura would make Cloud emo in Final Fantasy VII.
Wasn't Cloud already emo in FFVII? :confused::confused::confused::confused:
If they do remake they should not fit ANY of that stuff in as it is all retconned nonsense.
Also, any hopes that people might have for a totally accurate translation...I can tell you that won't happen.
Ultimania the official source has a number of mistakes that it has simply left unaltered.
Barret and not Barrett
Mideel and not Midir (or midhir)
and there are numerous examples. A lot of the mistakes will simply be left completely unaltered. And then we have the items like Phoenix Tail, Last Elixir...and so forth that never change because the mistake has been made the rule for english games.
BUt the dialogue should definately be much improved with a remake, that is for sure.
well i now have a PS3...so hurry the F**k up SE and release it already!!!!!
im not waiting for it to be in the starting lineup for PS4
ohh yeah... i read this on a comment on youtube:
"Great news people! Tetsuya Nomura gives a strong hint at FF7 being remade. In an interview with Gamega that they will announce other games they are working on this year including one that is "terribly awaited" from everyone and often "requested" by fans. The only game that fits the bill is FF7. Most likely, this game will be released next year in 2011 since they are currently working on Versus 13 and Agito 13. Like I said, great news guys. The wait is almost over."
did anyone hear of this?
Ironically, this is how much of the English language was established anyway. Even more so for American English.Quote:
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It very well could be FFVI. KH3. or some other game that is "terribly awaited."Quote:
Originally Posted by nirojan
I wouldn't get so hyped up.
Also, keep in mind that the team that works on each game is different...
YouTube is the last place to look for any kind of genuine information for future releases. YouTube comments are nothing short of a disaster zone.
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I agree 110%. The reason this hasn't been made yet is because they are busy with the FFXIII set and FFIVX. I forget where the interview is or who did it but somebody interviewed Tetsuya Nomura and he said it's not a matter of if but of when. He also stated that he wanted to wait until the whole original team was available before they remade FFVII and right now everyone is out doing other things.
So it's coming everybody, just be patient and enjoy everything S-E has to offer up until then. What we need to be lobbying, and petitioning for is a Xenogears remake with better graphics :D
I remember hearing something about them waiting for the original team to be available for it too. I can't remember where either but I know it wasn't a very reliable source. Who knows. I hope it does get remade but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
This topic, FF Remake?, speculates about an announcement of a much anticipated game. Could it be the fabled Final Fantasy VII remake?
I don't get why people claim sapphire weapon didn't die so if the game's remade they want a fight with him to kill him after the Junon attack. Seriously, did you not see the cannon shoot him in the face? After he's shot his head is GONE! That's a good sign that he's dead guys...
Personally I could care less if they remake this game since theres many other FF's I like more, but if they were to a graphics upgrade would be nice. It would also be nice for them to make it even more apparent for the Aeris fanboy/girls to understand that Tifa's Cloud's girl. :P
This post by Rase links to a translation blog for a recent issue of Famitsu featuring Final Fantasy VII and Cloud. The eight page article gives some history and insight into the characters of Final Fantasy VII with commentary from Tetsuya Nomura who takes the opportunity to announce that there are no plans for a remake of Final Fantasy VII at the current time.
yeah there was an article on IGN that describes his interview...apparently the team is willing to do it, its just a matter of when square green lights them to.
i think SE knows its a cash-cow, so when the company goes broke they'll release it and get back on their feet!
I only wish all the better games could get even half this notoriety :(
this fan fic picture looks amazing:
(SPOILER)http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3132/25046616yh2.jpg
wish it came out already
Personally, I do not think that they should remake 7. The graphics and now-older gameplay are what make it not only nostalgic, but amazing.
I went from hoping there would be to hoping there isn't. They will butcher the plot, change things that do not need changing, they will probably pander to graffix junkies like all the recent titles have, and imho destroy what is a perfect game (minus a few issues like the translation, that I am fixing anyway)
If they improved upon the set formula, sure. But that isn't what they will do. I don't want a remake to play it and think "they have ruined it all"
The way things are going at present, I wouldn't let Kitase and Nomura and SE run a bath. Genesis? Hojo brain in a computer? Get real.
Just thought I would see what you all think of this. From the first link Im astonished how Square were "shocked" over its responses.
And the I really find the second article hard to believe about the game taking that long. I mean they already have a story. They could model the characters from FFVII AC and how hard could it be to re design the towns?
Chaos as Square Enix Considers Final Fantasy VII Remake - News (PlayStation)
Final Fantasy VII: PS3 remake is ‘unrealistic’, 10-14 years to make – Kitase : Product Reviews Net
Five years later: "Hey guys, we might do it. Just maaaaaaybe!"
Five more years later: "We've almost considered doing it!"
Five more years later: "Nah, we don't feel like it."
:p
the above picture strikes me as a cross between Final Fantasy VII, Halo (or whatever other 3PS it's supposed to be) and Jak & Daxter (though in greater detail).
Okay saw this on another forum and was like "lol what? Seriously?"
Take what you will of it, I won't believe it until I see some actual SCANS but here you go:
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FFVII Remake
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-New Battle System like the previous DS FFs
-Aerith's death will be CG along with other scenes
-Cloud cries when Aerith dies
-New music, the songs are "The Tables Have Turned" and "Till Death Do Us
Part" that will be sampled at E3
-No more date mechanics, Aerith's date is going to be used
-It was hard to get the rights to do this and that's one reason they
didn't announce it sooner
-Cloud and Tifa's scene in the lifestream will have more emotion
-It seems to be called "The Earth's Cries" (EC, lol)
-The interview seems to be out of order (??)
-The reason they didn't do a PS3 one was because it'd be too much work and
it might ruin the "classic" feel.
-The DSi will have a special version"
That looks like Alundra meets VII. I don't think a remake would look so :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty, unless it was for the DS.
If you mean the one I posted, it is for the DS.
I would rather they remade V for the DS, then VI and then VII maybe.
I really hope they don't invest so much time into a PS3 remake of VII, that game is so damn oversaturated. I really don't think it's deserving of all the special treatment!
Oh i forgot I posted that here
uh April Fools to ... no one cause no one bought it anyway :monster:
(just in case someone reads it later)
They'd tone it down alot, they'd change the "this guy are sick" line, and proberly other scenes such as the scene where tifa calls barret a retard. Shame if they did make it, and take out that humour :/
Also, what would happen if you found yuffie as tifa, in the orginal, yuffie calls tifa 'boobs!' :S
FInal Fantasy VII is being remade and will be released in the Summer of 2012. it has been fully remastered in the great image of Crisis Core and Advent Children with the full Plot and Background of the original Final Fantasy VII as well as the same Storyline and Charachters with the added plus of Revolutionary Graphics. This Game will Revolutionize the way games are made and played for the next 10 Generations.
Actually, they've stated time and time again that it's not yet being remade. As per the rest of this thread. If you're going to make bold statements (pun!) like that you should probably back it up with a link to where you got your information from. ;)
I know it's fake, but that DS remake would be kind of cool. :)
Just wondering for people who want a remake
Have you played the original?
What got you into Final Fantasy?
since its my favorie of ff and i still have the original it would be good to see a remake with better graphics.
:choc:
CEO: We'll 'Explore the Possibility' of Final Fantasy VII Remake
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets...x_ffviibox.jpgCreative types like game directors saying they'd love to do a remake of Final Fantasy VII, that's one thing. But now the CEO himself says the company will, at least, "explore the possibility" of doing so.
Yoichi Wada, the president and chief executive of Square Enix, told Siliconera that the company has heard its fans' pleadings to remake FFVII, made nearly 13 years ago for the original PlayStation.
"Right now we don't have a clear direction, but many fans have requested we remake Final Fantasy VII," Wada said. "We're going to explore the possibility - whether or not we're going to do it, if we're going to do it, and the platform."
Previously, Final Fantasy XIII director Motomu Toriyama said Final Fantasy VII was the remak he wanted to do most. "If we can get the number of people we need by all means that would be the one I would really want to remake."
Before that, Yoshinori Kitase, the director of Final Fantasy VII (and producer of FFXIII) pegged the likelihood of a FFVII remake to Square Enix's ability to finish such a project inside of a year. "But if any such situation came about by any remote chance, then yes, we'd do it!" Kitase said.
So who knows. Doing it inside of a year sounds nigh impossible, but it may no longer be an operative statement. Siliconera dropped this as a teaser for a more complete interview later, implying that Wada might be thinking about a PSP remake. More whenever that comes out.
Square Enix CEO Comments On Final Fantasy VII Remake [Siliconera]
Reference Link: CEO: We'll 'Explore the Possibility' of Final Fantasy VII Remake
Post 2: In case you haven't yet completely given up hope for a Final Fantasy VII remake on the PlayStation 3, here is Final Fantasy XIII producer Yoshinori Kitase with yet another proclamation of how very unlikely it is to happen. Speaking to TechDigest, Kitase explained that the sheer amount of work and development time that a remake would require makes the prospect "pretty unrealistic." "If it were possible that we had all the right facilities and the right environment to be able to make and prepare a Final Fantasy VII remake within a year, we'd very much like a go at it," Kitase said, with a very obvious "but" looming on the horizon. "But even Final Fantasy XIII has taken over three and a half years to create. If we were to recreate final Fantasy VII with the same level of graphical detail as you see in Final Fantasy XIII, we'd imagine that that would take as much as three or four times longer than the three and a half years it has taken to put this Final Fantasy together! So it's looking pretty unrealistic to happen!"
So in other words, according to the man who would probably know best, it apparently could conceivably take up to twelve years to make a FFVII remake with the same graphical quality as FFXIII. We're not sure if that was an exaggeration, but it's no wonder Kitase says it's "looking pretty unrealistic."
This also echoes similar comments Kitase made earlier this month, when he said that it's "very hard to make games on PlayStation 3 in the same style as the games in [FFVII's] era had. Making graphics will take an enormous time." He explained that's also part of the reason FFXIII is more linear than past Final Fantasy games.
Still, Kitase did say that if by "any remote chance" it were possible to do the remake in less time, they would. But by the sound of it, you're probably better off lowering your hopes, FFVII fans.
Link for this post: FFVII Remake 'Looking Pretty Unrealistic'
Post 3: No, Square Enix isn't working on a Final Fantasy VII remake right now. They apparently have their reasons for ignoring a potential mountain of cash though, starting with this one -- it would be hard to make. In a recent interview with Ultimania magazine (via Lost Gamer), producer Yoshinori Kitase and Motomu Toriyama noted that part of the reason Final Fantasy XIII lacks towns is that they are difficult to design for high-definition graphics.
"It is a result of considering HD graphics will be the mainstream. Considering the amount of work to make graphics that deserve HD, it is hard to make towns in the conventional style," Toriyama said.
"In the limited period of development time, to convey the the great story that deserves the name of Final Fantasy, and to convey the battles that entertain players enough, we condensed each element."
Kitase added that this same problem applies to any potential Final Fantasy VII remake, "It is very hard to make games on PlayStation 3 in the same style as the games in that era had. Making graphics will take enormous time."
Rumors of a Final Fantasy VII remake started with the famous tech demo above, which was created to show what was possible on the PS3 before it launched. Square Enix has denied such rumors on numerous occasions, but they persist to this day.
At the moment, Square Enix is preparing for the release of Final Fantasy XIII, with FFXIV to follow sometime soon. Once those games are out of the gate, maybe we can start thinking about an FFVII remake.
Link for this post: Final Fantasy VII Style Difficult to Translate to HD, Square Enix Says
Post 4: So anyway that's enough research for this. Even though many people would love to see this game redone digitally and maybe have some stuff added in to add to the story and the game in the end it seems Sqaure Enix is simply one thing... lazy. So the only way this game will happen is if hundred of fans get together get some degress in graphic design and computer game design, get hired at Sqaure Enix and make the game their own secret project.
So yeah I would say it's not going to happen unless they just become extremely greedy for money or decide to listen to fans.
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I haven't read the rest of the thread...a heinous crime, but I had to point this out.
If they change the mechanics, then it isn't really FF7 anymore. It's like I make people call FFIV DS FFIV-2. That remake was horrible.
Also I hope to god if they do remake this that they get the right voice actors AND STICK TO THE CHARACTERS ORIGINAL CHARACTERS! I got so pissed off when Square brought out Advent Children and everyone started calling Cloud EMO. In FF7 he isn't much, at least until the momentous scene which is justified. And even then, not FF8 style EMO. God..
I like how they whine about it taking too long to make it FFXIII graphics when Kitase acknowledges that pleadings for a remake have been around for 13 years. Nobodies asking for Final Fantasy XIII style graphics plus complete non-linear storyline.
I just dont understand why they would show a tech demo of ff7 for ps3 then tell us for 3 years that they're not making it, at least not right now. or maybe its in production but its top secret.......
They made a tech demo of FF6 on the N64. That obviously didn't mean anything.
Sony just wanted some footage to show off how good the PS3 would look, SE already had all they needed to easily make the tech demo (because of Advent Children). I don't see why there is any more of a need to read into it.
Yes, unfortunately, the fact that they used Final Fantasy VII as a technical demonstration for the power of the Playstation 3 has no implication or bearing on a potential remake of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenovakiller
Remaking ff7 would just ruin it! It's already as good as it will get.
Except that the sight of the tech demo makes me shudder to think of what we would get if they ever did decide to remake VII. That thing looked absolutely hideous.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoogleYes, unfortunately, the fact that they used Final Fantasy VII as a technical demonstration for the power of the Playstation 3 has no implication or bearing on a potential remake of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenovakiller
Actually, a lot of the art assets from Advent Children would barely be usable. Since none of them could viably be run in an engine (nevermind that the characters themselves are completely different models to that movie) due to tri-count, and reducing tris is a huge task in itself for something so complex as that tech demo that they'd be better off going from scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by VeloZer0
Looks good to me. It stays very close to the original art direction, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. Unless of course you hated the art direction from the original game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
It's to show off the PS3. Notice how the segment was titled so, "Tech Demo for PS3" rather than "Final Fantasy VII: Tech Demo." The same was done for the ballroom scene in FFVIII on the PS2. Using an old game like FFVII emphasizes the improvements in Sony's technology since the game was originally made. You look at it, remembering the purple and yellow polygon that is Cloud, and think "wow, gaming has come a long way."Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenovakiller
No, it didn't. It went completely the other way. The art direction for VII was cartoony, exaggerated, and stylized, and it worked brilliantly. The tech demo went for ultra realistic and, as a result, Cloud looks absolutely horrendous. Just about as bad as he was in Crisis Core and Advent Children, if not a little worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by RostumLooks good to me. It stays very close to the original art direction, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. Unless of course you hated the art direction from the original game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
The best Cloud has looked since the move to PS2 and beyond era graphics has been his appearances in the Kingdom Hearts series, mostly because that game followed FFVII's art principles, even if, on the whole, the art wasn't as dark.
I disagree. The additions to the compilation including the tech demo still carry the same anime influence that the original game had (with the exceptions of the super deformed style, which the developers themselves said didn't end up working as great as they had hoped). It's certainly not hyper (or ultra) realistic. I'm sorry to say, but the characters themselves looked fairly horrendous in the original game and the fact that they've gone back and refined the art direction is a blessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
The environments for the most part have certainly stuck with the same art direction, with the exception of Crisis Core where the in-world technology seems cleaner.
But then again that is your opinion, and this is mine. I think it's made a change for the better whilst still holding close to the original vision.
Heres a queastion
sence there not going to remake 7 should they try doing it as a movie?
and if so who you have to direct it or produce it?
I think a movie of the FF7 plot would be far too complicated to do. Considering how much of the game is optional (but fans would still bitch if it was cut) and the sheer length, you'd struggle to fit it into a single 3hr block. Perhaps over two films, but I swear I will veto the next series/movie that decides to break it up to score extra monies.
Bits like Cloud and Aeris's first stroll around Midgar are too repetitive yet oddly necessary. Although, I suppose like a long list of video game adaptations before it, it could just be horribly bad and be done with it.
I wouldn't like to see a movie.
Honestly, I'd like a remake simply for the fact that there is so much material they had for the game that they cut or didn't bother translating for no reason at all. There's a lot in the Ultimania, in the original script and in the Japanese version that would really flesh out the world of Final Fantasy 7 much more.
It would be nice to have some hints and foreshadowing on things like the original Avalanche, Genesis and Deep Ground in the remake. Hell, it'd also be cool to stumble upon the Turks that went in to hiding right when the game started.
On top of this, I'd love to see them do anime shorts for the rest of the stories from On the Way to a Smile. Denzel's Case was pretty cool, and I believe there's six more stories which I know TheLifestream.net have put some effort in to doing audiobooks for some. These stories really flesh out Advent Children.
I'd rather have them do more Mad House productions along the lines of Last Order: FINAL FANTASY VII. Those seemed more action-packed and could make some great OVA's on Japanese TV/ Webseries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rostum
I would like a remake of VII and compilation of the FFVII universe all on one console.
Sephiroth is like in his 40s. It wouldn't really be a remake anyway. A touched up update would be fine. Those spelling and grammatical errors seem like irrelevant things that only douchy nitpicks nitpick, but they are there.Quote:
Originally Posted by sir helix
(SPOILER)Oh! The heresy... I'm doing it again. I've started playing FF7 again and I've been transcribing it onto my computer in movie format. I've divided it into a four part series like Twilight. I've rearranged the order in which certain main characters are met and deleted certain "moments" from the story. I've been choreographing actual battles for the confrontations. I've completed a draft of the first part of the story, but I forgot to bring it.
They need a remake. Sony need the profits and support of its many fans. especially those of its Final Fantasy Fans. the game would be a revolution in gaming if it was to be remade. the story should stay the same as well as the gameplay. this game would be the epic installment to the Final Fantasy Series that would reinstate Final antasy as Game of the Year.
[QUOTE=Slapaja;2983144]This is my opinion. I believe the remake will happen.. Anytime soon? Hell no. They've all ready hinted it with the tech demo. Sorry but if they weren't considering the possibilities they wouldn't be hinting and teasing. Also the booklet from crisis core. We "hope" to see FF7 again. The possibility is there but deeply in question. They would need to gather the exact team that made FF7 in 1997 + the crew that would be involved for the remake. Is it on blue prints? Probably so.. is it the current project? Probably not!There is too much going on with FFXIV and the what I believe to be latest single player failure FFXIII. They've all ready been making no so great games... especially with storylines.. they're going to make as much money possible before they even do a remake... besides.. they can keep making money off of FF7 even beforehand. They still make money off of that game.. Also I am sure there is A LOT of pressure with this matter due to the fact it is a masterpiece and their fear of ruining it with a remake that may not turn out so well..the entire graphics system in todays age has changed radically.. I mean really.. try to imagine a FInal Fantasy 7 Remake.. It's going to look nothing like the original.. we want a remake to experience the divine epic adventure we got all over again, but in reality it may not be what we are expecting it to be. I'm sure they are considering it. Will it happen? Wait for the commercials.Not to mention the radical amount of money this game will cost to remake... and everyone will run out and buy it FAIL OR NOT!
Nitpick at the names of some attacks and summons. The magic spells will be changed from Cure2 to Healra and from Mystify to Charm. They're going to add Technicks and Gambits to the game too... ... ... ?Quote:
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Speaking of nitpicking...
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Kojima Tells Nomura to Remake Final Fantasy VII
Oh Kojima, trolling again I see.
What the smurf?
I am fairly certain that the industry insiders are all talking about the same things happening in Square Enix as we are. It is pointedly obvious what is happening to the company by this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
what the heck does it matter, have any of you seen the games that have came out lately? blood dosent matter anymore.nothing in the game needs to be edited for any reason. it didnt matter then, it shouldnt matter now.:choc::redface::redface:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
Actually, I think blood does matter. Oddly, though, I think if you colour the blood anything other than red then it doesn't matter. Just like with movies. Weird.
I think it basically goes to either M or R18 if there is blatant red blood shown. I forget how it works exactly, but that's generally the reason you don't see that many games with blood in them despite those same games being full of you killing people.
im kind of ambivelant on the whole remake FF7 with ps3 graphics it would be un real but as the old saying go you cant really fix what isnt broken
Why should they remake it? There's no need whatsoever.
Remember how one version of Mortal Kombat had green blood?!
The ShinRa Building is all full of purple blood. That trout is creepy.
I'm kind of neutral on the subject.
While I'd like to experience the game in a new way, I'm a little weary of SE and VII. There's a lot to go wrong here.
@Jiro: http://files.myopera.com/FinalParagon/blog/FFVII-4045.png
Red blood.
Ah, true you are! I was thinking of the carpet/rugs, obviously xD And I think one of the enemies in that area spits purple trout at you or something. Either way, that section would probably not fly too well done in HD. Too much blood for the children or something.
Jiro: Hm, I've had green stuff spat at me, black, blue, yellow-green... But that could just be my graphics card(s), though. (My FF7 PC's been through a few of 'em, starting with a genuine, tried-and-true, Voodoo 2 with 12 Mb VRAM.)
Haha, I remember running FFVII on my VooDoo 3 card! Good times, good times. :)
More news!
Kitase: FFVII remake would be too different or too samey -Destructoid
I think the author of the article missed the point that Kitase would change VII if he did a remake. Kitase just recognizes that nostalgia would be a hurdle to go over but he sounds to me like he has things he wants to remove and new things he wants to add. I pretty much figure a VII remake would involve having to rewrite a few things to make it fit with the Compilation.
Yeah, definitely would need a bit of rewriting. I'd be fine with it to be honest. If I don't like the changes made, I can always go back and play the original.
However, if they could put that effort and talent towards a new IP, reviving loved old IP, or to re-imagining the FF series then that'd be much better.
I wouldn't mind any changes being made to fit with the other games. Really, the only reason I'd want 7 remade is to alter Vincent and Yuffie being optional characters and make them required just like the rest of the party. It was them being optional that got FF to actually stop having optional characters, you know.
I kinda got the same impression as the author, that Kitase doesn't want to touch the game because it would be massively panned by devoted fans. Personally, I would like to see what changes they could bring to Materia and Weapon/Armlet/Accessory, if they could bring deeper customization options. I would also like to see them re-balance and re-scale the enemy difficulty. Other than that, I would really hope the graphics and music would only be "remastered" or recreated to their original design, instead of remade or reimagined.
And them re-writing it to fit the Compilation is nonsense. At this point I would like to see someone declare the entire compilation as non-canon for the original game, especially considering some of it is inconsistent. If they were to do this, I would criticize Square for not putting these resources into a much more meaningful project.
I probably feel he wants to change it because this was the version I read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
Final Fantasy 7 Director: HD Remake Would Have New Features The last line of the interview where he says it would be difficult to determine what to cut and what to leave in, sound to me like he would implement changes if given the chance. He sounds like any creator going back to a decade old project, he sees the flaws from his inexperience and would want to change it.
Dude, the 10th Anniversary Ultimania exist solely to connect VII with the rest of the Compilation. Expect the re-writes, you're going to now have to listen to Cloud do this:Quote:
And them re-writing it to fit the Compilation is nonsense. At this point I would like to see someone declare the entire compilation as non-canon for the original game, especially considering some of it is inconsistent. If they were to do this, I would criticize Square for not putting these resources into a much more meaningful project.
Cloud: ...after Sephiroth saw the monsters in the reactor, Genesis appeared and goaded him, while his forces attacked Tifa outside.
Barret: Wait a minute, you mean the other legendary SOLDIER 1st Class was there too? I thought he died a year earlier?
Cloud: I though so too...
Tifa: Whatever happened to him?
Cloud: I don't know.
And you'll also get this Cloud mentioning the Turks dealing with and stopping Zirconiade (or however you spell its stupid name) and Jade WEAPON, probably see references to Deepground in the Shin-Ra building, Rufus will mention how Barret's terrorist group is a shadow of the true organization he himself ran, you'll probably stop by in Modeoheim, the remnants of Banora, and any other new location added. You'll probably have to see the opening to Dirge of Cerberus (which is the retcon excuse as to why you don't actually see Yuffie or Vincent in the original game's ending, they were in Midgard helping evacuate people) and you'll probably see some new additions to the ending that allude to Advent Children. It's coming man, just brace yourself and "enjoy the ride" as you always tell me. ;)
This is definitely something any artist would want to do. I know I see stuff I've done even just six months ago and cringe, thinking 'what the hell was I doing?'Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
I honestly have no issue with this at all. Have you played the original game recently? The world feels really empty, and it'd be nice to fill it with more history than it currently has. The best moments of the game involve the Shin-Ra and we barely get to know about the dirty-doings that they do, especially for an organisation that have taken over the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
On a side note, I'm always of the opinion that despite the IP being in the commercial domain that it's still the vision of the creators. Who are we to dictate what they want from the IP? It's their baby. If people truely dislike it, then don't pay money for it and they'll learn - but it'll still be their vision and theirs alone. I don't really get why people get in a huff, as if they've been betrayed.
I do this as well. Probably why I don't post many things in the writer's corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by RostumThis is definitely something any artist would want to do. I know I see stuff I've done even just six months ago and cringe, thinking 'what the hell was I doing?'Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
I'm actually playing a new file right now, I'm up to the first Nibelheim flashback in Kalm. Personally, I felt VII did a great job addressing its backstory, definetly better than its predecessors. My real issue now, is that it doesn't mesh well anymore with the Compilation because they've changed who Shin-Ra were and details about "The Great War". I felt VII worked with the info they gave the player but now I don't see how it works with the Compilation and I feel they have undermined some of the original goals of the original game. Shin-Ra came to power thanks to the Great War which made people lose faith in their local governments, in the Compilation, Shin-Ra started the war and had already become the de facto ruler of the planet. Sephiroth's madness at the expense of learning the truth of the origin loses a great deal of impact when you learn its happened before and now its going to be strange trying to rectify how some guy who was manipulating Sephiroth 5 years ago is nowhere to be seen or heard of in present time. The original game has now lost its ability to stand on its own. Its become like Kingdom Hearts where you need to read up or play over multiple platforms all the different titles to get the overall tale. It would be fine if it was designed that way to begin with but this is an situation where the creators have tried to tack on more story without actually trying to make sure it works with the established mythology.Quote:
I honestly have no issue with this at all. Have you played the original game recently? The world feels really empty, and it'd be nice to fill it with more history than it currently has. The best moments of the game involve the Shin-Ra and we barely get to know about the dirty-doings that they do, especially for an organisation that have taken over the world.
I would agree if this was normal circumstances, but VII had a few more prominent influences in its creation that are lacking here. It may have three of the four core members, but I feel there are other prominent people who were involved that don't get as much publicity that were also not involved in the Compilation. To me, its pretty much like the new Guns n' Roses, yes it has Axel, but without Slash and the rest of the gang, its only GnR in name, despite being helmed by one of the original creators. I also feel that the Compilation's existence stands in contrast to the original philosophy of the series that made it good in the first place.Quote:
On a side note, I'm always of the opinion that despite the IP being in the commercial domain that it's still the vision of the creators. Who are we to dictate what they want from the IP? It's their baby. If people truely dislike it, then don't pay money for it and they'll learn - but it'll still be their vision and theirs alone. I don't really get why people get in a huff, as if they've been betrayed.
You do have a point there, with all issues. I'm still not really that worried. I mean, I don't particularly like the Compilation but I've come to accept it. As an actual game Crisis Core was a lot of fun and I still really enjoyed the story, but I definitely see where you are coming from with Shin-Ra, Sephiroth and Genesis.
However, I think I like the fact that things feel a bit more full with the Compilation nevermind how overly convoluted it has become, just like Kingdom Hearts. It could have been done a lot better, and I really do wonder if the current FF7-related staff members could pull off a remake to be likeable by all, and also manage to tie in with the Compilation without stepping on too many toes.
I'd would love for them to try it. But as I said earlier, it'd be much better if they put their resources and talent in to newer projects.
No, I definitely agree that, given the chance, he would want to change a lot, but I think he's adding to Square's position that it's not a tenable undertaking, in this instance because it could never appease the gamers who would want to buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf KannoI probably feel he wants to change it because this was the version I read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
Final Fantasy 7 Director: HD Remake Would Have New Features The last line of the interview where he says it would be difficult to determine what to cut and what to leave in, sound to me like he would implement changes if given the chance. He sounds like any creator going back to a decade old project, he sees the flaws from his inexperience and would want to change it.
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Dude, the 10th Anniversary Ultimania exist solely to connect VII with the rest of the Compilation. Expect the re-writes, you're going to now have to listen to Cloud do this:
Cloud: ...after Sephiroth saw the monsters in the reactor, Genesis appeared and goaded him, while his forces attacked Tifa outside.
Barret: Wait a minute, you mean the other legendary SOLDIER 1st Class was there too? I thought he died a year earlier?
Cloud: I though so too...
Tifa: Whatever happened to him?
Cloud: I don't know.
And you'll also get this Cloud mentioning the Turks dealing with and stopping Zirconiade (or however you spell its stupid name) and Jade WEAPON, probably see references to Deepground in the Shin-Ra building, Rufus will mention how Barret's terrorist group is a shadow of the true organization he himself ran, you'll probably stop by in Modeoheim, the remnants of Banora, and any other new location added. You'll probably have to see the opening to Dirge of Cerberus (which is the retcon excuse as to why you don't actually see Yuffie or Vincent in the original game's ending, they were in Midgard helping evacuate people) and you'll probably see some new additions to the ending that allude to Advent Children. It's coming man, just brace yourself and "enjoy the ride" as you always tell me. ;)
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(SPOILER)Thank you, Wolf. Thank you for giving me migraines, cold sweats, and uncontrollable shaking, which only got progressively worse as I read further through this section in horror and disbelief.
I know how committed they are to this abomination, but I really just want Nomura or Kitase to download FFVII from the PlayStation Store, play it on their PSP during an international flight, and when they put the handheld down, to remember the Compilation and just go "Wow. We really f'ed up..."
Again, I'm all for a remake, and I'm for a lot of changes to the gameplay, but if the result is anything like what you posted *shudder* I won't buy it, and IMO they'll have wasted a lot of resources.
Oh please, stop being such a drama queen. :p
I'm pretty sure they will try it because I'm sure "purist" like myself are merely a vocal minority. The Compilation was stated by Kitase a bunch of times as a success. So it stands to reason a remake would most likely be re-written to a minor extent to fit it into the new VII-Mythos that the Compilation created. I personally hate the Compilation but its not like it was written for someone like me who didn't adore VII. So I have no real qualms with Squenix adding the Compilation mythos into a VII remake, I just wouldn't buy it is all. If other fans can get behind it, good for them but I'll never understand it. I honestly don't feel the Compilation has added any meaningful background to the original VII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rostum
Except a remake of VII is too good of a business proposition. I'm pretty sure it could be awful, and it would sell millions, XIII did and it hardly has the star power history that VII does. It would easily make back production costs and probably help Squenix finance all their projects for the next few years. So a VII remake is inevitable and I don't believe for one second that Kitase cares as much about old school traditionalist who don't want anything more than a graphical upgrade. I actually felt his words concerning these types of fans was a little like talking about a minor annoyance that would have to be pacified to some degree so he can have his way with a VII remake, not some re-assurace their opinion will largely dictate policy. He said they would cause some backlash if he removed some elements difficult for the staff, but never said they would prevent them doing so. You can say I'm just looking at this pessimistically, but I like to feel I'm just reading this as the PR bulltrout it really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
That's why my middle name is "Dreamsmasher" ;) I'm sure Kitase has replayed the game on his PSP and that's probably why he made this interview to mention if a remake came, he wants to do some changes.Quote:
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(SPOILER)Thank you, Wolf. Thank you for giving me migraines, cold sweats, and uncontrollable shaking, which only got progressively worse as I read further through this section in horror and disbelief.
I know how committed they are to this abomination, but I really just want Nomura or Kitase to download FFVII from the PlayStation Store, play it on their PSP during an international flight, and when they put the handheld down, to remember the Compilation and just go "Wow. We really f'ed up..."
Again, I'm all for a remake, and I'm for a lot of changes to the gameplay, but if the result is anything like what you posted *shudder* I won't buy it, and IMO they'll have wasted a lot of resources.
Ironically appropriate you say "have his way" because that's exactly what he would do, he'd be metaphorically... DELETED: Rostum said to stop...raping the cherished memory of a masterpiece, violating the childhood of millions of his own fans, and sodomizing what little hope is left for the future of RPGs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
I doubt it. I think Velozer0 was the one to mention this when it came out, but these games look and run as if they were remastered and ported for the PSP and maybe a little better... Like I said, the gameplay could be better balanced and perhaps the script could use a little polishing (not too much, you need that raw imported anime feeling...) and no one would know the difference...Quote:
That's why my middle name is "Dreamsmasher" ;) I'm sure Kitase has replayed the game on his PSP and that's probably why he made this interview to mention if a remake came, he wants to do some changes.
So you agree you were being a drama queen then? :D
(SPOILER) Because you were. :colbert:
Let him screw it up, he has the right to. Some people will absolutely love it, some will hate it with a passion. You can't win either way. Even if he had stuck true to the original, there will always be a minority that will hate it no matter what.
I'd love it if it were just a matter of polishing the script and gameplay. I wouldn't mind it if there were subtle hints to previous events like Before Crisis and Crisis Core, but to make them something major would really detract from what the original game has - as Wolf Kanno said. I would still give it a chance if he does decide to butcher it.
The whole 'FFVII remake' is something I flip-flop around all the time. Sometimes I'm like "smurf it, just do it" and othertimes "Oh my word..." But overall I'm more for it.
Rostum's right, you're being a drama queen. :p As far as I'm concerned he already did this with the Compilation and since the fans don't mind, and actually liked it, I feel he's free to do as he pleases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
I feel you're both just being enraptured with nostalgia. I feel there are certainly some localization and translation issues that should be addressed, and I definitely agree about the game needing some balance on the gameplay side, but I actually feel there are pieces in the story that should be re-written as well (Cid's recruitment anyone? or how about the Huge Materia quest?) course that won't happen or if it did, I'm pretty sure the end result will be worse than the original. It plays fine on the PSP but this whole idea it feels like it was "remastered" is kind of silly.Quote:
I doubt it. I think Velozer0 was the one to mention this when it came out, but these games look and run as if they were remastered and ported for the PSP and maybe a little better... Like I said, the gameplay could be better balanced and perhaps the script could use a little polishing (not too much, you need that raw imported anime feeling...) and no one would know the difference...
I've changed my stance on remakes in the last few years, simply because I find them boring when their straight ports with a graphical and musical facelift, it hasn't helped that Squenix was releasing everything from its back catalog like nobodies business. If the DS remakes showed me anything, its that its kind of interesting to see the games be remade and re-imagined decades later. I don't feel like they ruined the original experience, simple made them more bearable from their faults but also I can stick to my old copies. I've never felt graphics were a selling point for me, so I'm not bothered by sticking to the originals if things don't go the way I like it. I never cared for the GBA version of FFIV or the recent PSP release, but I''ll stick to the Chronicles version just fine, and play the DS version when I want to play the game with a true remake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rostum
Course SE could always make me regret this change of view so here's hoping for that FFVI remake with an added karaoke mini-game, a new story element involving Terra's moe little sister who was written into the game to sell more copies, and the entire Ruined World section re-written for all the people who kept complaining about there being "no story", hope you like cutscenes cause these cut-scene's running time makes Xenosaga look conservative in comparison. They even gave it XIII's battle system! :jess:
I think I'm in full agreence with you in that it's not a remake but a reimagining that I'd be much more interested in. It was probably easier for them to do it with FF3 and FF4 due to the change from 2D to 3D. Though in saying that it'd be just as big of a jump going from quasi-3D to what we have today.
No, I've played the game on the PS3's emulator and my eyes were fully capable of seeing that the title looks worse than it originally did, and on an HDTV it's almost abysmal. But on the PSP, probably mostly because of the smaller screen, the game looks much better than it even did originally. I think a handheld also provided a better platform for it because the expectations of one of those games, and it hits that sweet spot for PSP games that look good on the sytem, but don't try so hard that performance suffers. It's great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
As far as which route the remake goes, Wolf & I have been down this road before, but as far as me, I'm not the game developer, I'm not getting paid a salary to figure this stuff out and make it good, obviously I have a preference but I expect Square to figure this out for themselves and make a good product. I'm not proclaiming whether or not "I'll allow" them to make a version, I would probably be happiest if they went a route I didn't expect and make it great. Preferrably with Vita's front and rear cameras, touch pads, and GPS please! Haha, j/k, but seriously, it would just be my preference to leave the compilation stuff out, I think it was pretty bad overall, but especially in relation to how it dilutes the original game, and I wouldn't say "most fans" liked it because I don't know the numbers but I can't believe it had a deep penetration of FFVII players.
If you want a remastered version, you'll have to deal with the fact that it's probably never going to happen and look into fan-made stuff. I'll be starting to play this sometime tonight: You Want Your Final Fantasy VII HD Remaster? Well Here It Is!
well, thats the harassment that square will forever live with because of their decision to make and show what it would look like "if" they wanted to be total badasses and put in on the ps3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkswordofchaos
Final Fantasy 7 [PS3] technical demo PlayStation 3 - YouTube
want this soooo bad! would be smurfing sweet as hell. i bet square will do it one day just have to wait i guess. theyre saving it for something special!
Yes. Changes aren't fatal. The Star Wars prequels would have been awesome if Lucas had let someone else direct and had better actors and better cuts. In fact, I would like it if the prequels were remade and directed by someone else.
Nice to meet you, everybody!
I don't wanna say that...
I think, FFVII remake is all impossible in present time.
Why FFVII don't remake at official? The big-brothers (in some Asian Country) are staying alive, they're hating Tifa Lockhart, and they threaten the staffs in Square-Enix at all time, and FFVII can't remake...
I can't open the big-brothers' name (This forum site will be crushed if I wrote their name), FFVII will be remade when they're dead and gone at all.
If you want FFVII to remake, expell the big-brothers from anywhere
Wutai has always been at war with MidgarQuote:
Originally Posted by helter-skelter2010
post of the yearQuote:
Originally Posted by helter-skelter2010
I'm not quite sure wtf he just said :)
Well, Square, where is it?
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Wouldn't this just be a remake? xD
Yes, the hi-definition remake that they've been saying they were going to make for years. Instead they decide to half-ass by releasing a newer generation game in half-assed HD. Tsk tsk, Square.
Did they ever promise this?
Nothing is ever promised with this industry, but hey, it's been rumored and discussed by some of their employees by quite some time now. Instead of making Advent Children they should've just focused on making the whole game look like that.
HERE'S TO HOPING :(
Wasn't the PC re-release improved a bit to make it not look horribly pixelated on todays high resolution monitors?
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Originally Posted by Aulayna
IT'S NOT THE SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
Sooner, rather than later, the company is going to face bankruptcy and then we're sure to see an FF7 remake.
Remaking the game with fancy new AC-like graphics would look pretty silly without rewriting the script and dialogue. It worked for FF7 because the game doesn't look like you should take it too seriously.
i can only hope for a true remake, but they have said on multiple occasions it would be a huge undertaking on a scale larger than FFXIII, and that it's not likely to happen till they create a game that outperforms FFVII in every way... FFXIII was supposed to be that game, it truly felt like a spiritual successor to FFVII & FFX to me, i could feel the influence of the original VII & X team members behind everything in XIII & XIII-2...
so, all the jaded old-school purists are ruining this opportunity for the general fanbase of FFVII... everyone that screams "if you don't like this new crap, vote with your wallet" may as well be yelling to vote against an FFVII remake, same goes for everyone that buys a used copy as opposed to a new one that would fund SE as opposed to funding GameStop......
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Originally Posted by Elly
So you bought it more than once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elly
Lies, lies, lies. Don't you get it? They want to keep it in their back pocket if things go wrong. Which they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elly
They wouldn't just come out and say "We're not playing our trump card until we need to."
Or, as Zidane once said, "The sly eagle hides his claws."
I'd say that's honestly probably true. It's an answer to (somewhat) pacify the masses, while hopefully getting people to buy their game.
But if you play Devil's Advocate and take their statement as true, I honestly have always believe vXIII might be that game. If they, you know, RELEASE it.
Once they remake it, nobody has any reason to pay attention to SE anymore. It's the carrot in front of the horse.
nik is probably pretty spot on. Everyone stop buying games so they go bankrupt and are forced to remake it!
It won't be soon, since they just re-released it last year.
It's on the qhimm forums, there are all kinds of mods which redo models, backgrounds, and textures.
Maybe if people stop buying the black label version for $500 on Amazon they would have to make it. :colbert:
I for one am tired of these false hopes and polygon character butts. I typically hate remakes, but this is outdated as smurf. Needs some script revisions in addition to the graphic tweaks. People will appreciate it more and would probably garner new fans to the franchise.
Am I the only one in the FF Fandom that prefers to have FF 9 HD instead and let other FF games have a turn in the spotlight rather than FF 7 ??
Given the quality of Square's recent writing, especially their work with the Compilation, I think most people would prefer it if they left the script alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
I will second that motion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
all the script needs is a cleaner translation... make it clearer that when they say "clone" they don't mean clone in the traditional sense of cloning ones body, but rather the copying of the technique to infuse Jenova Cells into an already living persons body... when i read "Sephiroth Clone" i read it in a derogatory manner like saying those that were infused with Jenova Cells after birth are inferior to Sephiroth because he was infused in utero and therefore they can never aspire to his greatness... the script needs to make things like that more clear...
Final Fantasy VII is one of the only Final Fantasy games that I really feel needs a remake because it was developed during a transitionary period in graphics development in which developers were rapidly making a move from 2D to 3D. The graphics, to me, have not aged well at all and the clunky character designs can make it difficult to see what is happening in each scene. I, for one, have been confused as to what happens to Aerith at the end of the Temple of the Ancients arc and what happens prior to her death at the end of Disc 1. I believe it was clarified to me later that Sephiroth was attempting to have Cloud kill her, but I was just confused and button mashed to have the scene proceed.
You can't have realistic, human looking characters sprouting off the minimal oneliners that make up FF7s dialogue (especially with voice acting). It would all just look really weird and stiff. Or it would look like some sort of experimental art movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkybladeGiven the quality of Square's recent writing, especially their work with the Compilation, I think most people would prefer it if they left the script alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
Though I do agree with the notion that it shouldn't be up to whoever wrote AC or the recent FF games.
yeah can we just let it rest peacefully
i have fond memories
they should stay there in my head