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I just suddenly thought; The Buggy breaking down was to "force" you to stop at Cosmo Canyon, right? Well if Red XIII wanted to go to the canyon anyway, then there is no need for the story to make them go there by accident. I'm I the only one to think this?
In the PC version it didn't break down if I recall correctly, and it worked just as well I guess. But I think in the PlayStation version they used the broken buggy as a reason to why the party couldn't leave the canyon before it was fixed. I'm not sure how they handled that in the PC version.
I don't know many people who would have thought, "Hey, there's a town coming out of the rock! Let's ignore it!"
Then again, it is possible to miss if you are unlucky. The breaking down worked for why they stayed there, but I think Nanaki asking for them to stop would have worked just as well. I know I'd be curious as to why my team-mate wants to stop.
If the buggy didn't break down there would be nothing to stop you driving straight past Cosmo Canyon onto Nibelheim, even if Red said he wanted to go there. With the way the world map is laid out, temporarily disabling the buggy means the only place you can go is Cosmo Canyon.
The buggy does break down in the PC version. The only way to keep it from breaking down is to get out of the buggy before you reach the break-down point and walking to Cosmo Canyon.
Spoony's right, there are a few people that just would have skipped it thinking it's irrelivant like the first visit to Fort Condor is pretty much irrelivant (and you honestly do not need to visit it till later) and are just in a hurry to get through Clouds Story which picks up in Nibelheim... some people like to play games on their terms, forcing the buggy to break down makes you play it on Squares terms, as you're now trapped and can't even backtrack... and yes it does break down in the PC Version as that is the one i'm playing now and just recently went through that chapter about a week ago, and it broke down on me like it did in the PSone/PSX version... luckily my game did not crash there like so many others claim it does...
Uhm, I'm positive it didn't break down for me, and I stopped right outside the canyon. Then again, I played a modded game, so it might have something to do with that. :p
What? It's never broken down on me ever. I did not know that it would do that. I was about to call you crazy but then other people seem to be going along with it so it must be true :confused:
Which version(s) have you played, Jess?
NA Playstation. Though I don't think I realized that I was supposed to go to Cosmo Canyon right away the first time I went through, so something must have happened. Pretty sure it never broke, though.
went back to my Gongaga save and drove the buggy back to Cosmo Canyon, and took a screenie...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96.../breakdown.jpg
i'm totaly taking advantage of having 150 Save Slots...
Pretty colors o:
Yes it is silly, though its more reasonable than Rufus coming to Rocket Town just so he can commandeer the Tiny Bronco to look for Sephiroth; even though Rufus has the Highwind and a fleet of other ships and massive army to do this... That whole scene still bothers me.
Besides the Highwind and the Tiny Bronco, the only aircraft we see are Gelnika, which are transport craft, and definitely not designed for comfort. If you're head of a worldwide dictatorship, you should get to travel in style and comfort. Hence the Tiny Bronco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
Heidegger has a throwaway line about how "the long-range airship [the Highwind, I assume] is still being prepared".
As for the buggy - I guess you can simply bail out and run to Cosmo Canyon before it breaks down, though I don't remember what effect - if any - that has on the events and dialogue that follow.
:edit: And having the vehicle break down means that the rest of the party's forced to visit the Canyon and accompany Nanaki, rather than having him be all "ok g2g cya!" and running off home, leaving the others to continue on their way.
anyway if the buggy didn't break down for that reason, i'm sure they would have added some lines for Barret to convince the others to go with Nanaki, considering he adores the place as the birthplace of the original Avalanche, so much so he decided to take the name for his own due to a high respect for the original Avalanche, too bad he never realized that Avalanche was partly responsible for the burning of Corel... so i'm quite certain, that would have been a viable option but they went with a breakdown instead as a means to really make sure you're trapped there for some story, instead of just rolling away straight onto Nibelheim...
I don't think the Tiny Bronco is the type of vehicle to "travel in style" I'm afraid. Its not really about needing it for Rufus himself to pilot but rather they needed it to track down Sephiroth and the Promised land. Shin-Ra has helicopters for this kind of grunt work and besides, they find Sephiroth and the Temple of the Ancients long before your party does. I still feel it stands that this was a silly plot element created to get Cid to join you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
To those who have explained I see what you are saying about the breakdown, it makes sense, so thank you.
Wolf Kanno, I see what you are saying about the Tiny Bronco, and you are right, I can't see why I didn't notice that before...
The Tiny Bronco is the perfect vehicle for joyriding. Much more so than the helicopters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf KannoI don't think the Tiny Bronco is the type of vehicle to "travel in style" I'm afraid. Its not really about needing it for Rufus himself to pilot but rather they needed it to track down Sephiroth and the Promised land. Shin-Ra has helicopters for this kind of grunt work and besides, they find Sephiroth and the Temple of the Ancients long before your party does. I still feel it stands that this was a silly plot element created to get Cid to join you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
Lol! I can see Rufus pimping the Tiny Bronco out. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
Yeah, the Highwind was being prepared at that stage, so Rufus did require another means of transport.
If I remember correctly, Nanaki was planning on staying at Cosmo Canyon, to protect it like his parents before him. Bugenhagen convinces him at the time to go with the party. So, if the party didn't break down, he would have just gone in and said "Cheers guys!" They would've left and he wouldn't have been able to catch up.
There you go!
I still don't remember this :confused:
Hmm, I really don't remember the buggy breaking down this time around either, I'm pretty sure it didn't. It has happened to me before, though. Maybe it only breaks down if you try to drive past it.
yes that is when it happens, it breaks down just as you pass Cosmo Canyon, if you get out and go into the canyon before ever reaching it then there is no need for it to break down as you're entering a new storyline part the moment you climb those stairs... i wonder if it will break down if you try to leave before going through the Gi Cave, i never tried leaving since the buggy always breaks down on me, i like to park in front of the towns enterances...
I think theres a guy there to stop you from leaving. He says something like "Stay for a while" or "its too dark to go outside" not too sure though.
I still have my buggy and I'm in the last place of disk one. LOL, I didn't know it broke down if you ride it into Cosmo Canyon.
The ONLY way the buggy will break down is if you drive it into the "shadow" in front of Cosmo Canyon.
Indeed, I rolled right by there and went to Nibelheim first and then backtracked my way down.
It makes going back to Costa De Sol/Junon and getting the Beta Enemy Skill WAY easier if you have the buggy then without IMO.
At least in the US PS1 version, you CAN go right past there. Just avoid the shadow. This is confirmed as I just did it 2 days ago when I was sick. LOL :)
the buggy doesnt break down until just after you pass cosmo canyon, the first time I played this game I actually stopped by myself and did the canyon storyline normally. There was no reference to my buggy and it never broke down after I finished the storyline.