Why do so many people hate Tidus????

i just dont get it.

Tidus is probablly tied with Zidane (ff9) for my favorite main character!

people complain that he's whiny, but c'mon how would anyone react if they were transported like 1000 years into the future (idk if thats right. its been a couple years since i played it)

he gives the game LIFE with his silly outbursts and actions. he's relatable to me

i mean seriously, would you really want a guy like SQUALL as the lead in that game???

i just dont understand why everyone hates Tidus.... i think he's awesome!

I'd say there's several reasons, ranging from he's "whiny", to the way he dresses, or he's not a hardcore tough guy.

Playing through it again tho, I'm starting to feel like he's the best main character. Previously, I thought it was Cecil.

^^ Jecht right here really loves his son deep down inside.

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....Hey,what's the big idea! Stop shooting!

It's because he's not emo, and people on these forums like emo people because they think that the're "cool" and "badass" to play and have fun with.

It has nothing to do with not being emo. And considering his tendency to cry, calling him not emotional is quite ridiculous.

I love Zidane from FFIX. He was cheery too. But know what makes him and Tidus different?
Zidane never did anything mind-numblingly stupid.

Did Zidane ever walk up to and start sniffing one of his party members? Nope.
Did Zidane ever grab a megaphone and embarrass all his friends by being a total spaz? No.

But in the end, I don't hate Tidus. I sympathize with many of his issues. I just dislike a lot of the things he does.

Tidus actually isn't all that whiny. He actually stays surprisingly upbeat through the whole thing. He's even pretty stoic at the ending, too. I find him to be a pretty interesting lead character for a Final Fantasy title (although Cloud is still number 1 in my book). He can get annoying at times, but that's about it. The Tidus hate probably stems from his voice acting, which generally either nauseating or flat-out obnoxious.

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Sephex, I... I lol'd.

I'm getting good in my old age. Though, I didn't make the pic for the record. So I am getting good at finding humorous things in my old age. There, that will do.

Hahaha, that was sublime.

Yes, nowadays people like sad characters over the cheerful one. :(

I don't hate Tidus. I really hate Tidus.

>>> Tidus is my fav FF main character..:luca:

I like him. Confident, top-notch athlete. He displays emotion which makes him a little more believable.

And any teenager would eventually wig out (like he did on Auron), when finding out you've been transported somewhere that's based on being 1000 years into the future, with no way to get home. They'd also be pretty sooky when they found out that their Dad was actually Satan.

He had his moments, but he took took it all very well.

He infused the woeful, useless Aurochs with confidence, and managed to win them the cup (if you know how to play Blitzball).

And he is pretty bad-a$$. Going against the world's religion because he know's it's not right. And his character is fast and powerful, especially as you advance him on the sphere grid.

Also, at times when everyone else felt like the world was against them and felt like giving up (OMG WE KILLED A MAESTER WTF), he pipes up "I'll protect Yuna, from anyone, anywhere. That's all I need to know." He displayed great leadership, for the "new guy".

But yeah, for some people he just wasn't emo enough. I thought he, like Zidane, was another breathe of fresh air from the typical brooding, silent hero.

He detected that Seymour was bad news early on. And even it was just because Seymour was "stealing his pu$$y", that's reason enough for me.

I don't hate tidus, I hate wakka

I personally think he wouldnt be so bad if it werent for the voice acting

He bordered on Nelson annoying with the megaphone and fake laughing, but overall I found him goofy and likeable. The game had a good balance between serious characters (Auron, Kimahri, and Lulu) and comic (Tidus, Wakka and Rikku), with Yuna falling in between.

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Originally Posted by crazybayman

And even it was just because Seymour was "stealing his pu$$y", that's reason enough for me.

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lol

Tidus was mostly alright with me. like others mentioned he was a bit different than the rest of the cast and in a good way. I hope we get so see more varied types of main characters. Not sure what Lightning's personality type is yet, but I could probably assume it's similar to Cloud's.

I think he suited the part of the game if he was like cloud or squall he'd of just give in and kill himself, squall cant handle not being loved never mind put 1000s years into the future and not being real XD

For the record, I don't hate Tidus. I think he's a whiny and sheltered idiot, but it gives him a personality that's different from the standard. Most of his stupidity stems from the fact he knows :bou::bou::bou::bou: all about Spira, and to compensate he tries to be upbeat and happy. He gets excited very easily, which makes him seem like a hyperactive child and ultimately grates on people. Most people hate him because of the laughing scene.

Further through the story he starts to gain true confidence in himself and surrounds. He's probably one of the better leads in the series to be honest.

People who bash Tidus for being whiny need to take a look at Cecil, post-Meteor Cloud, Squall, etc. to know true whininess. Tidus rarely does anything I'd consider whiny. And James Taylor Arnold is sublime, thank you very much.

All the FFX characters get a lot of hate here, I've noticed. I personally liked all the characters, including Tidus.

So basically Sephex, because Tidus isn't moody like the other guys, he sucks? Well, I actually liked him more than the other characters just because of that, but yet he still sucks.

You're supposed to consider Tidus a cry-baby mamma's boy. They shove the concept down your throat more than once. I sorta lost respect for him from that aspect. I know Cloud and Squall were moody. But you never saw them cry over stupid crap. And how can Squall be whiny? He doesn't even talk :P Though I hated Squall for being a retarded douche anyway. And yes. The laughing scene. Though I understood it. Even respected it. He set it in his mind that Yuna needed to lighten up for at least a minute. And as horribly awkward as it was, it worked out in the end. For a brief fleating moment. She actually laughed. But it was still damn annoying

For my share, he's one of the best main characters due to his spontaneity and his shrewd and funny attitude in general.
The same goes for Zidane, Bartz and Zack, by the way. (..and maybe Cecil, a little)

These main characters rock so much more than Cloud, Squall & co.. !!

How come know one's mentioned he looks like Meg Ryan yet. Ain't that one of the things the detractors reach for xD

Anyway he's like Cait Sith for me. I didn't hate him and I didn't not hate him. He was in the middle. It's been awhile since I last played so I don't remember much.

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Originally Posted by sir helix

I don't hate tidus, I hate wakka

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AHM GOOD YA

Tidus is a pretty good lead. Change up a few things and he could've been great. Different voice actor really woulda helped things along

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Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits

Tidus is a pretty good lead. Change up a few things and he could've been great. Different voice actor really woulda helped things along

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Actually I really liked his voice and couldn't think of a better one; what's wrong about it?

Sephex wins. Tidus is so... fluffy. I want to pat him on the head and then kick him in the ass.

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Originally Posted by Shiny

So basically Sephex, because Tidus isn't moody like the other guys, he sucks? Well, I actually liked him more than the other characters just because of that, but yet he still sucks.

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Who says that picture reflects exactly how I feel? I just thought it was funny.

Hes arrogant overconfident and childish. These are personality traits i just happen to hate the most. I knew right from the start i was gonna hate him...once he started acting like "Im so awesome" in front of all his fans.

We really dont care how good you are at blitzball...we are saving the world from a giant whale. Regardless of how much he is getting pwned in regards to Sin and Seymour etc he remains as cocky as he was.

You would think fighting one of the most powerful beings in the world would bring him down a peg or two but he remains basically the same way for the entirety of the story.

I wanted either Seymour or Sin to just kick his ass so he would take things more seriously and realize just because he is some star player of some sports team dosent mean he can so easily and simply defeat Sin.

I'm not entirely sure why people tend to hate on Tidus more than other protagonists. I think a lot of it has to do with him being the first protagonist in the series with voice acting and at times his voice could get irritating when he was in a tight spot. All in all though I felt like he made the game entertaining and had charisma for a change. He "whined" a lot, but that kind of gave him some more personality. Not the best character ever, but definitely fit the role he was given quite well.

People hate him because they are used to cliches and Tidus character IMO breaks away from the mold.;)
He's not the broody bad ass hero neither he is the cliche type of the weak geeky boy (that will eventually become Bad Ass.)

Tidus is already a "Bad-Ass" in his own world since the beginning of the game.He is the guy who enters in a stadium and thousands of people go wild.He is the biggest blitzball star player of Zanarkand which is perhaps the equivalent of Lionel Messi in today's soccer.
However unlike most stars in reality he's never arrogant throughout the game.His talent gives him a confidence which,combined with his cheerful nature makes him the embodiment of the carefree youth.
People say he is stupid when in fact he is just akward.And of course he would be akward,he travelled 1000 years in the future for Christ's sake!Today we travel to another country and we feel like aliens,can you imagine being in his position?:p
Yes he is not the brightest of the company but this also makes his character more believable.How many football stars are very intelligent persons?Very few,if any.When you devote your life to excel in one thing,(in Tidus case Blitzball) you have no time to practice more intelligent pursuits.This IMO makes him very realistic.

I love the fact that he doesn't think of things too much,he just goes along with an attitude of carefree innocence and the optimism of someone who is very confident in his abilities.:)

I pretty much agree except for the time travel part. Zanarkand Ruins and Dream Zanarkand both physically exist at the same time in Spira, just in different locations. Tidus (and the player) are made to believe that he traveled in time for most of the game.

The game did not do a good job in clarifying this.

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Originally Posted by BG-57

Zanarkand Ruins and Dream Zanarkand both physically exist at the same time in Spira, just in different locations.

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I've played FFX two times (three if you count a halfway playthrough) and still i somehow missed that...
Where's the evidence in the game that both Zanarkands exist at the same time?

Tidus is able to re-enter Dream Zanarkand on Mt. Gagazet.

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Originally Posted by Karifean

Tidus is able to re-enter Dream Zanarkand on Mt. Gagazet.

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Ah ok,thanks.
I just watched the cutscene again and yes BG-57,you are right.It's been too long since i played the game and i had completely forgotten this part.:/

FFX Ultimania shows DZ clearly on the world map in a different location than Zanarkand Ruins, but the game itself doesn't show that.

It's really easy to miss.

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Originally Posted by BG-57

FFX Ultimania shows DZ clearly on the world map in a different location than Zanarkand Ruins, but the game itself doesn't show that.

It's really easy to miss.

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Yeah, the only real information you get about it in the game is the realization that DZ is essentially one enormous aeon, and therefore, like all aeons, would have an actual physical existence. You never get to visit it, though, even with an airship that can fly across all of Spira.

I find it odd that the game goes through so much trouble to fool both Tidus and the player, but clears it up in a very subtle way. Not that I'd want a huge revelation with a sting of dramatic music, but still....

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I find it odd that the game goes through so much trouble to fool both Tidus and the player, but clears it up in a very subtle way. Not that I'd want a huge revelation with a sting of dramatic music, but still....

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For big revelations, I always found myself attached to The Hidden Truth

My problem with Tidus is mainly his outfit, its so lame. I've just started playing this game again (first time i played it was about 3 years ago or something and i wasn't crazy about it) But does he narrate the whole way thru, cos tbh it sounds like he's on a cheesy porno, like bmmchicka wowow music is going to start everytime he finishes a sentence, what is up with that!! creeps me out.

He does have something subtly perverted about him...
What always got me was the way he screamed 'YA LIKE THAT' at me after a battle and I was just left there feeling all dirty :(

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Originally Posted by Imperfectionist

He does have something subtly perverted about him...
What always got me was the way he screamed 'YA LIKE THAT' at me after a battle and I was just left there feeling all dirty :(

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hahaha, yeah i feel the same, glad to know i'm not the only one who feels violated by Tidus's tone

I am indifferent to Tidus mainly because of the confusing plot elements. Does he not care that he is a part of an Aeon and not a real person, or am I recalling correctly that he does not actually address this during the game until he disappears at the end of the game?

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

Yeah, the only real information you get about it in the game is the realization that DZ is essentially one enormous aeon, and therefore, like all aeons, would have an actual physical existence. You never get to visit it, though, even with an airship that can fly across all of Spira.

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If I recall correctly, the Fayth for Dream Zanarkand is located atop Mount Gagazet and the Aeon for Dream Zanakarand is located somewhere in the vast ocean in an unspecified location. That would explain why you cannot visit it in the Airship.

There is the implication that the summonable Fayth are included in the dreaming that is summoning DZ, and Tidus (as part of DZ), which is why the hand-wringing over his fate (if you speak to them).

An interesting extension of this is that the Fayth of Anima became one fairly recently, and as such has her inclusion of the dreaming altered it?

Tidus isn't really that bad, but what drove me away from his character was the silly voice actor. Seriously, Tidus got on my nerves a lot. I feel like if they kept his personality the same, but scripted him slightly better and got a better voice actor for it, then I probably would've liked him a lot

Tidus only has one thing to say to all of his haters.

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What the hell is up with his eyes in that picture?

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Originally Posted by PuPu

Tidus only has one thing to say to all of his haters.

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xD

It never really clicked with me as to where Tidus learnt how to fight. He was given Jecht's Longsword by Auron and after initially fumbling with it for about three seconds, he's suddenly a seasoned pro. Cloud, Squall and Zidane by comparison seem to be much more 'qualified' to save the world (mercenary/ex-SOLDIER, military school graduate, (SPOILER)alien thief, respectively)

I also have another theory as to why people seem to dislike Tidus more than the protagonists of other FF games. It all boils down to the fact that no one says his name and as a result, we all feel somewhat distanced from him. In the days before voice-acting, it was a non-issue. In FFX-2 and FFXII, you couldn't rename Yuna and Vaan. Maybe if Square never gave the player the option to rename Tidus and have him mentioned and participate in dialogue more naturally, we'd all like him more.

And his pants are uneven.

Yeah his pants are uneven, and his jacket is a crop top. seems like if they wore a wetsuit sort of designed outfit it would be better for blitzing in, altho that might look even worst.
The name thing is annoying, but i've named my Tidus "Meg Ryan" which has offered some mildly amusing moments "Meg Ryan is often haunted by memories of the past"
But it does cause issues cos i thought his name was "Tide-us" but apparently its "Tee-dus" which sounds silly, sounds like Tedious, which is mean but occasionally fitting.

Edit: I've been slating him a lot but just to clarify. I like the character and I actually feel pretty sorry for him. He's a dork and I like to make fun of him but in a loving way lol

I only have a problem with him in the Luca scene when he gets all whiny and mad. Then again in the Summoner's Sanctum when he cries. If you can call it that.

Those parts get on my nerves. Bad.

Wouldn't you cry if you found out all you knew was gone ?

Wouldn't you be angry if you knew there was some world destroying monster out there killing innocent people ?

I liked Tidus.Square chose the voice actor so it was their mistake and not the game's fault.

:)

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Originally Posted by sir helix

I don't hate tidus, I hate wakka

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Originally Posted by reinward

i just dont get it.

Tidus is probablly tied with Zidane (ff9) for my favorite main character!

people complain that he's whiny, but c'mon how would anyone react if they were transported like 1000 years into the future (idk if thats right. its been a couple years since i played it)

he gives the game LIFE with his silly outbursts and actions. he's relatable to me

i mean seriously, would you really want a guy like SQUALL as the lead in that game???

i just dont understand why everyone hates Tidus.... i think he's awesome!

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You, my friend, are AWESOME. Tidus is a GREAT character, he bring plenty of life to the game and the party. I love his positive attitude and how he can bring Yuna out of depression with annoying " HAW HAW HAW" laughter. And Squall rules.

Tidus only has one thing to say to all of his haters.

I am a Tidus hater. And here's my reasoning.

1) How is he such a good fighter? He's a blitzball player -- that doesn't seem to make anyone particularly strong or battle savvy. He has a sword. Good for him.

2) His outfit. The horrors!

3) His voice actor. Not his fault, but I could not listen to him! It was abysmal.

4) He's portrayed as whiny through most of the game. No other FF main character came across as a crybaby before -- it throws me off. It was so unappealing.

5) He looks like Meg Ryan. Kidding. :jess: But seriously.

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Originally Posted by Clo

I am a Tidus hater. And here's my reasoning.

1) How is he such a good fighter? He's a blitzball player -- that doesn't seem to make anyone particularly strong or battle savvy. He has a sword. Good for him.

2) His outfit. The horrors!

3) His voice actor. Not his fault, but I could not listen to him! It was abysmal.

4) He's portrayed as whiny through most of the game. No other FF main character came across as a crybaby before -- it throws me off. It was so unappealing.

5) He looks like Meg Ryan. Kidding. :jess: But seriously.

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He can hold his breath for over 5 minutes at a time while shooting a ball at high speeds UNDERWATER. He has to have some kind of power to him. His costume was awesome looking. I liked his voice actor, I still don't know why no one likes it(explain?). Plus his dad was a douche, or he thought he was, he may have been scarred.:(

His voice was very high, and boy-ish. He sounded too childish for a leading male character. Obviously, we're allowed to disagree. He was a huge dent in the game for me though. :(

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His voice was very high, and boy-ish. He sounded too childish for a leading male character. Obviously, we're allowed to disagree. He was a huge dent in the game for me though. :(

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Did you not think of it as a good thing that he seemed to always be positive and outgoing? I mean with the Final Fantasy characters I've been playing as (VII and VIII etc) theyve all been low down, could care less about most things. I just loved that he was so positive and loud. To me, I was always able to compare to him easily. I mean, when Yuna was depressed he got her out of it with a stupid laugh. Not many low guy voices can fit the profile for him.

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Originally Posted by Clo

His voice was very high, and boy-ish. He sounded too childish for a leading male character. Obviously, we're allowed to disagree. He was a huge dent in the game for me though. :(

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Did you not think of it as a good thing that he seemed to always be positive and outgoing? I mean with the Final Fantasy characters I've been playing as (VII and VIII etc) theyve all been low down, could care less about most things. I just loved that he was so positive and loud. To me, I was always able to compare to him easily. I mean, when Yuna was depressed he got her out of it with a stupid laugh. Not many low guy voices can fit the profile for him.

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He's as thick as a plank of wood, self absorbed, whiney and annoying. I'm going to have to agree that his voice was painful to listen too, it may of been said hundreds of times before, but he DOES look like Meg Ryan (or at least a girl) His outfit is horrible, his has a smug little face and he just does the stupidest things. I have no love for him, he ruined a perfectly good game. He makes Wakka look good

I actually quite liked Tidus, he was a well balanced consistant character, unlike Cloud who changes so quickly. At firts he's like "I don't care about the planet" and then he's all like "We gotta save the planet!" And this is all in the first third of disc 1. At least Squall took some time to change and grow as a character.

Tidus is a naive optimistic charcter, which he should be because he is fairly young and he doesn't know much about Spira, which is understandable. People don't like Tidus because he isn't as dark as Cloud and Squall, which he doesn't need to be. And I suppose out of all FF protagonists, the player sees Tidus's most inner thoughts the most, which will either make you love him or hate him.

But the reason why I like Tidus (and Zidane) so much is that the makers didn't try too hard to make him cool, unlike cloud and squall. Tidus is just a typical impulsive young man who hass so many feelings, not a hardened battle veteran who thinks they're too cool for school.

I think Zidane is a better example of a cheery-optimistic character. I actually don't like the broodiness of some of the mains (I am hard to please apparently), but Tidus was just too boy-ish stupid for me. Zidane was immature, yes, but he seemed to be more competent.

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Originally Posted by Clo

4) He's portrayed as whiny through most of the game. No other FF main character came across as a crybaby before -- it throws me off. It was so unappealing.

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Dohohoho I don't think you've ever played FFVII or FFVIII!

Aha, but I mean literal crybaby. Sure, Cloud and Squall are broody and have problems, but Tidus straight up is accused of crying, and does cry and whine.

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Aha, but I mean literal crybaby. Sure, Cloud and Squall are broody and have problems, but Tidus straight up is accused of crying, and does cry and whine.

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Ok. FFX would have been much better off if we had some ultimate do-gooder guy as the protagonist. You know, a guy who just does what's right because of his sense of justice and equality! After all, the more unrealistic the protagonist, the better!

Or maybe we could have had another Cloud or Squall. Either way would work for me.

You can make a protagonist realistic and sensitive without having him literally come across as a crybaby. It didn't appeal to me anyway - an uber soft and sniveling hero. Specifically the way they did it with Tidus turned me off. Those words have negative connotations, and I don't want to sound like I'm overtly against Tidus as a character concept. I just really didn't enjoy his character that much.

To each her own.

He was alright, he never really was on my good list, but wasn't on my bad list. Meh i liked his cheeryness, and his protective nature, he was just abit too much at some points.

I really liked him! Sure, his voice got on my nerves sometimes and I cringed when he did really embarrassing things, but he was so cheerful that I found it hard not to like him.

They're threatened by his raw sex appeal!

I love Tidus and this is why.

I always figured Tidus and Zidane were both alike in some ways. And with Tidus being whiny, who wouldn't be, if they were transferred 1000 years into the future?

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I always figured Tidus and Zidane were both alike in some ways. And with Tidus being whiny, who wouldn't be, if they were transferred 1000 years into the future?

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He isn't. But still, he just wants to go home. Somehow reminds me of Hope.

I've never understood how Tidus is whiny. In fact I found him quite the opposite. If I woke up 1000 years in the future I'd freak the hell out.

not great like Cloud or Squall but ok...

I wish he had been more dynamic though...:p

I have absolutely no idea how Tidus can be called whiny. As a child, his father was very abusive, being neglectful and not offering anything remotely approaching positive regard, nevermind unconditionally so. And yet as a teenager he is an optimistic, upbeat, hugely successful superstar. The most famous living person in his world, probably.

Then, when he is torn from all that, does he collapse into a blubbering mess? No - he makes his way around a dangerous, ancient ruin, fights some monsters and successfully evades something that could swallow him whole, gets a fire going, and is trying to figure out how to get some food. Then he is kept on a cold, wet metal deck by people who don't even speak the same language as him (and the one who does seems to have marginal influence), which is attacked AGAIN by the massive world-ending thing.

Thoughout the whole game, with what, one or two exceptions, Tidus is relentlessly upbeat, optimistic, and a hell of a lot closer to Sephex's macro than whiny. Most of the time the very worst of his "whining" is "this sucks but Hey guys we can do it! Let's GO!" The height of his 'selfishness' is wanting to go home and he pretty easily accepts that if it's going to happen, it's a long way in the future. The only time he actually cries is when he's confronting his dad, a man who raised him with neglect and abuse and then disappeared, leaving his mom to raise him alone until she died of despair after which point he was an orphan at what, age 8?

Obv. it's a matter of taste and feeling but one criticism which does not stand up to scrutiny is that he's whiny.

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

I have absolutely no idea how Tidus can be called whiny. As a child, his father was very abusive, being neglectful and not offering anything remotely approaching positive regard, nevermind unconditionally so. And yet as a teenager he is an optimistic, upbeat, hugely successful superstar. The most famous living person in his world, probably.

Then, when he is torn from all that, does he collapse into a blubbering mess? No - he makes his way around a dangerous, ancient ruin, fights some monsters and successfully evades something that could swallow him whole, gets a fire going, and is trying to figure out how to get some food. Then he is kept on a cold, wet metal deck by people who don't even speak the same language as him (and the one who does seems to have marginal influence), which is attacked AGAIN by the massive world-ending thing.

Thoughout the whole game, with what, one or two exceptions, Tidus is relentlessly upbeat, optimistic, and a hell of a lot closer to Sephex's macro than whiny. Most of the time the very worst of his "whining" is "this sucks but Hey guys we can do it! Let's GO!" The height of his 'selfishness' is wanting to go home and he pretty easily accepts that if it's going to happen, it's a long way in the future. The only time he actually cries is when he's confronting his dad, a man who raised him with neglect and abuse and then disappeared, leaving his mom to raise him alone until she died of despair after which point he was an orphan at what, age 8?

Obv. it's a matter of taste and feeling but one criticism which does not stand up to scrutiny is that he's whiny.

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lol you almost... ALMOST made me feel sorry for him. But then i remembered he's a wab and i hate him :p

I agree with MILF, but Tidus' voice got on my nerves. XD

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Originally Posted by crazybayman

He detected that Seymour was bad news early on.

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That's not that impressive. Wakka and Kimahri did, too.

That said, I like him, as well. Until Lightning came along, he was my favorite FF protagonist, bar none, with Terra right behind him. As has been said, his mostly-cheery nature was refreshing after suffering through Cloud and Squall. (Sorry. Wasn't a fan of either of them. Hence why I said "suffering" through them.) And I thought his romance with Yuna was one of the best, sweetest romances ever attempted in a Final Fantasy game.

The answer is simple: Some people just find certain traits and actions irritating. Personally, I did find Tidus somewhat annoying. On the other hand, though, I could also see why (given his backstory) he does some of the things that he does.

Because he is whiny and annoying.

Actually here's a simpler answer: because we have functioning ears.

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Originally Posted by Jessweeee♪

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I found this part to be very annoying -.-

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Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover

It has nothing to do with not being emo. And considering his tendency to cry, calling him not emotional is quite ridiculous.

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Well, the term "emo" is really not used to describe someone who is "emotional." It is used to describe someone who is "emotionally hardcore." This belies a sense of indifference or apathy in a person or character while they are honestly struggling with stress and tearing memories in the heart. An emo expresses personality and emotion through physical behavior and dress-style and often the music they listen to. Tidus just sort of puts his heart on display.

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Originally Posted by Nifleheim7

People hate him because they are used to cliches and Tidus character IMO breaks away from the mold.;)
He's not the broody bad ass hero neither he is the cliche type of the weak geeky boy (that will eventually become Bad Ass.)

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key terminology here: "Bad-Ass".

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Tidus is already a "Bad-Ass" in his own world since the beginning of the game. He is the guy who enters in a stadium and thousands of people go wild. He is the biggest blitzball star player of Zanarkand which is perhaps the equivalent of Lionel Messi in today's soccer.

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He's Flash Gordon.

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People say he is stupid when in fact he is just akward. Today we travel to another country and we feel like aliens,can you imagine being in his position? I love the fact that he doesn't think of things too much.

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Herein lies the difficulty in accepting Tidus. No one wants to relate to an awkward teen whose been thrust into a situation in which it is a little more than questionable he'll be able to preservere let alone survive. No one wants to pretend to be that dorky teen that doesn't think. People want to fantasize about life in a world where they are the bad-ass hero who seemingly faces all of their problems in a sort of stride with not much more than a blink or a smirk to clarify their emotional standpoint.

I think mostly people tend to miss the fact that most characters in the game beside the main character... hate him or dislike him to some extent (or feel they have to change him) because of his bad-ass indifference or apathy. Or maybe they can better relate to him because of this. I know that while I was playing Final Fantasy VII, I related to Cloud easily because I often felt misunderstood and closed off and at times wondered who I was. It was a little jarring to find out that Cloud lost his friend Zack who was like a brother. From the pics I've seen of my baby brother, I'd always imagined him to have blonde hair, so the subplot of Cloud and Zack's past basically mirrored my life after losing my brother.

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Originally Posted by Crossblades

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Originally Posted by Jessweeee♪

I love Tidus and this is why.

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I found this part to be very annoying -.-

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I'm getting tired of people who don't "get" this scene, which in my opinion is actually very obvious. I give up explaining though.

I reckon Mercen-X might be on to something there. All people want is a stoic 'badass' of a very rigid and traditional style.

It's a little more difficult, for whatever reason, to play the role of a hero while being lighthearted and carefree (and a little goofy)... it's just hard to envision how it properly meshes with the confidence and preserverence of the "heroic champion" stereotype.

Saving the world is serious business after all. Tidus' personality is generally reserved more for plucky comedy relief instead of the great hero. In fact, his personality most matches Rikku's, who is plucky comedy relief.

This brings us another question: When is it okay to cry?

In game or IRL?

Eh, it's not the "badass hero stereotype" that I want in a game necessarily. I mean, there are ways for a character to be sad, emotionally wrecked, upset, devastated... without sniveling, and going, "Heeyy... awwww... whaaat?" Human beings are capable of this range of emotion without reaching the sniveling stage.

It's like they went in the complete opposite direction. Either the hero could be serious/jerk-ish and take-charge, or, alll the way on the opposite end where Tidus is, inquisitive and acting like a straggling 13 year old cousin who can only show his emotions by crying or shouting.

Like I said before, I find Zidane a better example of a cheery hero.

Were they trying for the "parody" like Ultimate Muscle's whining Kid Muscle? lol

I have kind of an aging complex, so I liked Tidus for being a dorky teenager. I've always tried to get the scenes with Rikku seeing as she's the same sort.

What really annoyed me was the romance with Yuna. With Yuna under the stress of her pilgrimage and Tidus feeling lost and both of them being teenagers, I couldn't take it seriously. Am I the only one who felt that all that effort in FFX-2 would go to waste when they inevitably get tired of eachother really quick?

*Copy pasted from a thread in FFXIII*

I keep wondering why so many people turn a blind eye to the fact that character weaknesses were made as a literary tool called "Character Development."

I remember during the FFX days people were bitching about how Tidus is a whiny crybaby with an irritating voice. All they ever mentioned was how selfish and weak he was. But they never mentioned how much he changed from an egoistic athlete to a selfless hero who was willing to give himself up for Yuna and Spira. From how he he was able to overcome his hatred towards his dad and made up with him (parental issues which are so much common among teenagers these days). That in my opinion has got to be one of the best forms of character development I've seen. Plus they also never mentioned that his voice sounded brusque and mature whenever he's narrating.

And Tidus is only 17. He's a teenager. Anyone his age would react that way if they were thrown into a completely different world wherein his dad is the one responsible for mass homicide. And if at times he acted like an idiot then which real-life person didn't become an idiot some time during their teenage years?

And I grow tired of this social stigma of men not supposed to cry. Crying is part of human nature and emotion. In fact it is human regardless of gender, age and race. Tears coming to a man easily doesn't make him any less of a man.

Still has an annoying voice though, those short -ok sounding- narrations dont make up for it

But i dont hate him for any reason other than his voice. I dont even think he's really that whiny, I just think his voice makes statements that arent whiny sound whiny

Also for anyone who asks "where did he learn to use a sword"
He's already a strong athlete, if you give a metal baseball bat to someone who has never held one they'll still be able to do some damage with it, a sword is like a baseball bat only pointy. Notice how he sorta just whacks things with it and doesnt do as much damage as Auron.

I never really hated Tidus. There were maybe one or two things that he annoyed me with, but I never hated him as a character, gameplay-wise and personality wise. In fact, I enjoyed using him in battle.

If Tidus can throw and kick a ball underwater with marvelous force then perhaps wielding a sword would be relatively easier. He can even hold his breath underwater for, say, forever!

Off topic for a bit: What I don't understand though is Wakka wasn't able to win a single tournament prior to Tidus's arrival yet he can throw a Blitzball hard enough to damage fiends.

All of you whiners should play Star Ocean 3 and put Roger in your party. Go on. Do it. Go!

idk y someone can hate him, he's sooooooooo cute!!!!!
they're silly that's y they hate him:|